the wickerman ost - OH JESUS GOD WHAT IS THAT!!

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what bands have been influenced by the wickerman ost?

doomie x, Thursday, 22 April 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

candidate, the coral

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

All the Fence Collective people, I'd guess. But there was a lot of similarly dark psych-folk stuff going on at the same time. You ought to try & get your hands on that Extradition album I talk about in the current Uncut; it really would be up your street. Also Linda Perhacs' Parallelograms - if you like Kathryn W you will LOVE this.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus to thread

Jez (Jez), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i was thinking fence collective -- i am thinking of using wickerman to draw and tie in all these various wyrd folk acts in scotland and north of england.

ps. cheers on the heads up on the earlies ... i got the nme review. plus am going to put up some articles online of the earlies that i did last year!

doomie x, Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

gorky's and the beta band, boards of canada too i think

pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

This doesn't answer your question but to add to what Marcello wrote, there's a definite similarity in sound and mood between Linda Perhacs and "Willow's Song".

Pete B: Boards of Canada is a fine fucking call, particularly with the use of children singing.

Other plausible stuff: Appendix Out/Alasdair Roberts, Current 93, Stone Breath, Tower Recordings/PG Six... most of though aren't influenced by the Wicker Man, so much as by the same sources - Shirley Collins, Pearls Before Swine, ISB etc.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 22 April 2004 08:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't know if it's influence so much as contemporaneous development, but the music of ISB's old mate Comus has a similarly eery, druidic vibe. I hereby summon Comus to thread for the long-anticipated Comus vs. Momus FITE!!

briania, Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:25 (twenty-one years ago)

prolapse's "three wooden eds" (ed wood woodward!) was clearly influenced by the wicker man

flowersdie (flowersdie), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ISB's old mate Comus? Are you perhaps thinking of ISB's old mate COB?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 11:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I still haven't heard any COB. They any good?

I can see some similarities between Comus and the Wickerman in the way they both evoke paganism, but Paul Giovanni's score does have something sweet and innocent about it (to unnerving effect, I don't mean it's twee like Vashti B.). Comus is just plain malevalent through and through.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Haven't heard COB either but the descriptions of them make them sound good. Is it time to mention ISB's old mate Dr. Strangely Strange?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Also strongly recommend Mr. Fox

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Doomie, go to Nick's website and get the info for Summerisle, which is out like right now, and get Cherry Red to send it over to you. He's also got shitloads of stuff about it on his website. See also Pulp 'The Trees'.

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I meant COB -- what I get for thinking about music while at work. But it's Comus that reminds me of the Wicker Man music (Nick's OTM that Comus is more evil, though). Actually, who was the band in Wicker Man?

briania, Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Beth Gibbons & Rustin Man, Out Of Season
Katy Carr, Screwing Lies

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting that all this mythology has grown up around the "Wicker Man" soundtrack when I imagine it was really just a piece of hackwork like those albums of library music. The fact that it transpires its hackwork origins is great of course. What I'm trying to say is that it was no doubt recorded by a bunch of jaded session musicians with one eye on the studio clock and another on the sheet music.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Dadaismus: Haven't heard Dr Strangely Strange either. Or Forest, another "old mate" of ISB. I have got both Mr Fox albums though for some reason. Liked big chunks of them, but always feel vaguely embarrassed about listening to such rustic fare in front of the wife, so they haven't really had a thorough (and by that I think I mean *loud*) listening for a good long while.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember being quite disappointed with "Kip of the Serenes" by Dr. Strangely Strange but I probably wasn't in the right mood and at the tail end of my ISB obsession. Agree Mr. Fox can be a bit on the errrrrrrrrrr trying side.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Kip of the Serenes" incidentally one of Genesis P-Orridge's favourite albums.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, who was the band in Wicker Man?

Mostly members of a band called Hocket by the look of it. 'Ave a butcher's 'ere ducky.

NickB (NickB), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

What I'm trying to say is that it was no doubt recorded by a bunch of jaded session musicians with one eye on the studio clock and another on the sheet music.

Well, probably, but again we're back to the issue of what the listener gets out of the music sometimes being greater than what the musicians put into it. It's like listening to, say, Evan Parker's trio with Barry Guy and Paul Lytton. I'm aware that all they're really doing is throwing about the same old 30-year-old sounds and gestures at each other, but that doesn't mean that I can't get into it as a listener and start imaging manifestos that make absolutely no sense to anyone except myself. I suppose that's just the pregorative of the listener.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 22 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks guys!

doomie x, Thursday, 22 April 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yeah, principal edwards magic theatre's first album. tea and symphony's "asylum for the musically insane."

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 22 April 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't Cocteau Twins - "When Mama Was Moth" have some melodic similarities to "Willow's Song"? (maybe I'm remembering them wrong though)

Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Iron Maiden...

http://www.ironmaiden.com.ua/ua_ru/Singls/s00-1-1.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 April 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

On Maiden's 2000 Brave New World tour, one of their stage props was a two story Wicker Man with orange and red plastic strips blowing in the fans to simulate flame. Hot dancers writhed inside, while Dickinson ran around screaming, "The shadow of the wicker man is rising up again! Your time will come!"

otto, Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it was great!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the last pulp album had a song call wicker man which contained a sample from some song in the movie
and maybe one could make a case that the people described in the song weeds have something in common with the inhabitants of the island in the movie

jb, Thursday, 22 April 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

NEO FOLK (???)

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 22 April 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

One Star Awake by Wigwam included a cover of Corn Riggs, which is from the Wicker Man soundtrack.

morgen, Thursday, 22 April 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

will second marcello's call on the extradition lp "hush" - classic stuff.
perhaps some of the kissing spell gear would be up this alley - mellow candle, stone angel... and the caedmon record.
i enjoy mr fox but agree that it can get a bit trying.

jwd, Thursday, 22 April 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

the sneakers pimps did a version of willows song and called it how do. alot of the lyrics are from robert burns like corn rigs, and the cukoo song is the odlest song in english, seemingly.

ladyinradiator, Thursday, 22 April 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Faun Fables, possibly.

Curt (cgould), Friday, 23 April 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Mock Turtles did Willows song too.

tigerclawskank, Friday, 23 April 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Doomie, this new comp. might be of interest to you. I think that Bob Stanley put it together...

Gather In The Mushrooms: British Acid Folk Underground
Castle Music
Released: 19 Apr 2004

Corn Rigs - Magnet
Love In Ice Crystals - Sallyangie
Lyke Wake Dirge - Pentagle
Graveyard - Forest
Milk And Honey - Sandy Denny
Morning Way - Trader Horne
Buffalo - Writing On The Wall
Silly Women - Bert Jansch
Liz's Song - Shelagh Macdonald
Lord And Master - Heron
Old Boot Wine - Spirogyra
Winter Is Blue - Vashti Bunyan
All My Friends Are Back Again - Al Jones
Rosemary Hill - Fresh Maggots
Love Song - Lesley Duncan
The Family - Mr. Brooks
Queen Of The Moonlight World - Andy Roberts
The Herald - Comus

NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 28 April 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)

cool. nick b do you have a website for the above comp?

doomie x, Saturday, 1 May 2004 07:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Can't get the Castle Music website to load with this shitty connection, but there should be more details there. Should be able to buy it from practically anywhere cuz Castle are part of the Sanctuary Group. Try The Freak Emporium if you want to be fleeced, but I know for sure that you can get it on the cheap from Woolies(!).

There's a few things on that comp that are a total mystery to me. Sallyangie? Writing on the Wall? Lesley Duncan? Mr Brooks? Huh?

NickB (NickB), Saturday, 1 May 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Sallyangie = Mike and Sally Oldfield's first group.

Andrew L (Andrew L), Saturday, 1 May 2004 07:44 (twenty-one years ago)

cheers nick! that is the second ace recommendation that i've gotten from the internet -- the first being the morricone comp that el records (via cherry red) put out. am going out to look for that -- maybe they have it at the woolies in archway? bizarre!!!

personally i am upset at the lack of inclusion of the trees.

ps. am doing an article on the memory band -- you have to investigate them -- i think you will really like them.

off to berlin!

doomie x, Saturday, 1 May 2004 08:01 (twenty-one years ago)

AndrewL - yes of course! Saw the Sallyangie CD today - any good?

All of a sudden, my local indie record store has an 'Acid Folk' section. And the 2nd hand shop is charging fucking upwards of fifteen quid for Steeleye and Pentangle records that you could pick up for mere bobbins this time last year. What the heck is going on? Why is there this interest all of a sudden? Is it a sudden thing? Okay, so I've only been dabbling with the genre for about three years myself, but there's definitely an upswing in interest going on. Just wondering what's spurred it. The Wicker Man??? Fallout from the Freefolk thing? I guess the Wire have been doing stuff on Shirley Collins...

Doomie - agree with the Trees recommendation, I love that band. There's a massive Airplane influence going on there, I'm also hearing proto-Tom Verlaine stuff too - I know he was a Fairport fan, so maybe, just maybe, he heard Barry Clarke's playing too.... Not heard of the Memory Band though. Ever heard of JAN DUKES DE GREY? Released two albums, the first being the folkier; the second one, at least from what I've heard, being quite a fetching blend of Comus-style proggy croak-folk, along with some Amon Duul II murder-by-guitar. Two records I really NEED.

NickB (NickB), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Pulp did a song called Wickerman.

CRW (CRW), Saturday, 1 May 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, the jan dukes de gray "rats and mice in the loft" album is fucking great - one of those rare things that compares to comus in terms of insanity, but with a more prog bent. s'great.

the sallyangie stuff is excellent - if you like the idea of english folk with fey female (and occasional male) vocals at all, you should get it.

(i'm wondering if the writing on the wall mentioned on that comp are the same one who did the arthur brown-y "power of the picts" LP?!)

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Saturday, 1 May 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

NickB - that's interesting abt Tom Verlaine+Fairport, because I've always thought that TV sounded a lot like Richard Thompson (much moreso than Garcia, who he is more frequently compared to)

Anybody know anything abt Jade, another folk-psych outfit who have just had an alb re-released?

Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 2 May 2004 08:46 (twenty-one years ago)

My personal interest in The Wicker Man is probably best explained in this essay.

I've never heard Comus, but would like to.

Momus (Momus), Sunday, 2 May 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Andrew, I saw that Jade CD knocking around too, so I looked it up on the Freak Emporium and here's the sales blurb...

Finally a reissue of one of the top ten UK folk rock classics of the '70's that sits along with Fairports "Liege and Leaf", Mellow Candle's "Swaddling Songs" and the Tree's "On The Shore". Staggering melodic folk rock with electric guitars, fiddles, harpsichords sweeping string arrangements and Marianne's beautiful voice. Easily as good as Sandy Denny's solo albums with the added bonus of some West Coast rock styled guitar breaks, this is a truly magnificent album. The record also features appearances by Terry Cox (Pentangle) Michael Rosen (Eclection, Fotheringay) Pete Sears ( Fleur de Lys) and John Wetton (Family).

Hmmm. Note the use of variants on those old chesnuts "beautiful female vox" and "mind-frying fuzz guitar". I'm sort of sceptical, but maybe I'll jump if I see it cheep.

Momus - thanks for the entertaining essay. Would strongly urge you to check out the Comus album 'First Utterance', that record reverberates with precisely the pagan/nature-worship/sensual themes you touch on (e.g. 'The Bite' is about the ritual murder of a Christian, literally left hanging at the end of the song, "hanging above the sin"). Not many records I've heard manage to sound quite that evil, it's gripping -and totally convincing- stuff.

BTW the Comus track on the Mushrooms compilation is a little unrepresentative of the rest of the album, lacking the Roger Chapmanesque growl and yelp of Roger Wootton and having relatively normal lyrics.

Anyone heard another band they're sometimes compared with by the name of MORMOS?

NickB (NickB), Sunday, 2 May 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, are Eclection like? Mama & Papas comparisons have hitherto put me right off...

NickB (NickB), Sunday, 2 May 2004 22:13 (twenty-one years ago)

mormos.. dammit, i know i've heard them but i can't recall a thing about 'em.

has anyone mentioned the bruton_town yahoogroup yet on one of these folkie threads? imagine this thread repeating over and over again year after year...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 3 May 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I like this album a lot. Don't really like Hangman's Beautiful Daughter though. Sounds really forced.

hector (hector), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

wyrd folk/acid folk - etc - next big thing? watch this space...

doomie x, Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

don't bother watching this space, trade in your vintage wacky t-shirts for hand-sewn ponchos. also, grow a beard. not a 'grandaddy' beard, an unruly hippie one. not phish-hippie, but 'the wire'-hippie.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Forced Exposure sells that Jan Dukes de Grey LP. Great liner notes from David Tibet --- order it, it's terrific!

Brian Turner (btwfmu), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Can weird free folk be the next big thing? I hope not. Its insularity is comforting.

hector (hector), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

don't worry, man, they will come for it eventually.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 5 May 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
aha - the Television / Fairport connection - whenever I play Unhalfbricking I always expect Tom VErlaine's voice to come in after the intro to 'Genesis Hall'

bham, Thursday, 5 August 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Amusingly, a track on the new Seafood album is a cover of "Willow's Song". Maybe they didn't know it had been done...

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 5 August 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...
Oh my, I only just saw this film last night after wanting to see it for ages. Is the OST available (pref online, I am v. broke)? There's one beautiful song they all sing in the pub, probably after hours that says something about "Gentle Johnny" and it's the best thing Gorky's never wrote!!

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Save your money, dog latin. (buy another Mutantes record instead) The standalone soundtrack doesn't stand alone. Without the movie it's pretty useless. Dada's comments up thread hold true.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

don't listen to ken, it's wonderful.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

i had the soundtrack much before i'd seen the film and loved it. when i finally saw the film everything made sense.

The JaXoN 5 (JasonD), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

Fantastic movie, stellar soundtrack...

Ian Riese-Moraine. Sweeter than a lorry load of white Toblerones. (Eastern Mantr, Tuesday, 22 March 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

Suit yourself. But I contend your soundtrack money would be better spent on, say, the soundtrack of Black Orpheus.

Ken L (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

Both,

The Sea Nymphs http://www.cardiacs.com/seanymph.html

and Stars In Battledress http://www.starsinbattledress.com/

are in some small way influenced by The Wicker Man OST & The Incredible String Band and general the general wholetone approach to music.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 08:41 (twenty years ago)

Tsk, early morning posts are obv a bad idea, sorry bout that.

mzui (mzui), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/c0/e1/340643-music-resized200.jpg

I keep seeing this Show of Hands record. One of the top-selling UK folk acts, who keep scooping up music awards left and right. And that basically puts me right off ever wanting to hear them, but maybe there's something good going on with a cover like that.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

Tunng

willem (willem), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

Anybody know anything abt Jade, another folk-psych outfit who have just had an alb re-released?

Anyone heard those Jade things yet? Never got round to hearing them, so I still have no idea about them. But it looks like they've reformed and they're playing a show soon in London with Circulus and Katy Carr - both new names to me too. Anyone want to clue me in?

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 22 March 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...
Another album I associate with The Wicker Man, and that sinister bucholic/pastoral feel, is The Dawn Of The Replicants '1 head, 2 arms ,2 legs'.

Jade are not very interesting. The Freak Emporium description is the usual hype to sell an album that sounds more like somthing by The New Seekers than Comus.

Jeffrey Prior, Tuesday, 30 May 2006 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Espers

Edward III (edward iii), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)


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