nuclear assault vs celtic frost: go!

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well i simply can't make a decision - i need your help!

bob snoom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Frost of course! Come ON!

dave q, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

what did the frost do after pandemonium? i lost track. is the question equivalent to roxy music vs canned heat?

bob snoom, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Celtic Frost, yes. "Necromantical....SCREAMS!"

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no to canned heat vs roxy music:

megatherium!! (is that them? i'm at work and my memory tis fukt)

mark s, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Nuclear Assault was a really weird band. They almost remind me of a DC hardcore type band like the Void or something (except for all that shreiking). Like Judas Priest meets the Void. And for all that, Celtic Frost were even weirder. I like Voivod better than both.

Kris, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like Voivod better than both.

Now we're talking. Pretty much everything from the eighties they did = godlike.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Voivod = best, Celtic Frost = almost best, could be best in a different way?, Nuclear Assault = what the hell are they doing next to these other guys? It's making this part of the record collection stinky. Put it down over there by the Vio-Lence and the Cryptic Slaughter. Only good Nuclear Assault song was the video they did where that guy walks into the lightpole. Radio (incomprehensible garble) Television, the idiot's tool (or some such thing) blah blah blah WHY DON'T YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF? LIVE IN YOUR SELF-MADE HELL! That was catchy.

Nude Spock, Monday, 5 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

After PANDAEMONIUM? Why, they performed a mighty =;-D> album called COLD LAKE!

Kodanshi, Tuesday, 6 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
Anyone still down over there by the Cryptic Slaughter?? Anyone know what happened to the supposed new record by Nuclear Assault?? Am I to assume from this thread that we have no Nuclear Assault fans on ILM??

Oh shit I just realized there is a new Nuclear Assault tune called Celtic Frosty Cold Beer.. ha..

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 19 February 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

celtic frost

latebloomer: HE WHOM DUELS THE DRAFGON IN ENDLESS DANCE (latebloomer), Saturday, 19 February 2005 07:28 (twenty years ago)

Well, let's put it this way -- Nuclear Assault wore Celtic Frost shirts, not the other way around.

BUT!

Hang the Pope
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Hang the Pope
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Let's go to the Vatican, drag him from his bed
Hang the noose around his neck and hang him til he's fuck-in dead

Hang the Pope
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Hang him from a fuckin' rooooooope

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 19 February 2005 07:40 (twenty years ago)

The Cryptic Slaughter bassist plays in Ozzy's band now. They tried a reunion -- I heard one song from 2003 that sounded like CxSx plus Limp Bizkit. Not recommended, but a pretty weird concept of getting back in stride.

Repulsion - Slaughter of the Soul 2xCD reissue, what about that?

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 19 February 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)

Back in the day I worshipped hardcore-metal bands like Slayer, Crumbsuckers, Excel, Sacred Reich, Beyond Possession, Final Conflict, Cryptic Slaughter.. so Nuclear Assault was rrrrrright up mmmmmmy alley.

I'm just trying to figure out whether I'm the only one here who likes hardcore influenced metal bands or if I'm the only one here who thinks Nuclear Assault is just as good as any of these other bands I mentioned. All you ILMers seem to like lots of melody in your metal..

The new Agnostic Front - Another Voice, what about that??

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Saturday, 19 February 2005 07:58 (twenty years ago)

Those are all great bands, except probably not Sacred Reich, but Nuclear Assault went on too long, so their legacy is sullied. I've never even heard any of the post-Lilker stuff, but I just think it's wrong. The most overlooked stuff by that band are the slower way early tracks like "Cross of Iron."

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 19 February 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

And I just listened to the Dehumanizers "Kill Lou Guzzo" EP today.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Saturday, 19 February 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Nuclear Assault put in the hours on Sunday afternoons and taught the NY hardcore scene to love longhaired men.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 21 February 2005 03:58 (twenty years ago)

Beyond Possession '85 demo rips/

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 05:46 (twenty years ago)

Calgary's finest! I had no idea there were any Beyond Possession fans on here. I'm happy to here it. Everything I ever heard ripped. The song "Final Daze" sticks out in my mind cause the drums were really hyper and bouncy - even for this era of hardcore/metal shit. The singer kinda reminded me of a non-NYC version of Roger Miret.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Have you heard of Hong Kong Blonde?? Beyond Possession, Crumbsuckers type stuff - good shit.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

I should note that I'm always referring to the first Crumbsuckers album - Life Of Dreams - and not the second one. And not Pro-Pain.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

Nope -- there's a UK band I've been wanted to hear: Send More Paramedics. They dress in convincing zombie garb and sound like Accused/Beyond Possession. This whole speed/spasticated breed of punk metal became massively streamlined after Earache took off, but there's plenty of gold in the 85-88 era.

Therefore this thread shall live forever!

...even as a two-way ping pong match.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

whaddya mean "probably not Sacred Reich??" Fucking "Surf Nicaragua," dude? Fucking "Death Squad????" Dude sings "Those who oppose will meet death" on the chorus. That beats all of Nuclear Assault's whiny Greenpeace shite right there.

Anybody remember John Connelly's Theory, John Connelly's band, named after a 24-7 Spyz song of the same name? Weren't they, like, err, jazz fusion or something?

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Send More Paramedics is an AMAZING fucking name, by the way. Is that from Dawn, Day or Return? I always mix them up.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

i like this thread, let's keep talking about old thrash bands. Does anyone remember Annihilator? Exodus? Do you realize that Death fucking Angel has a BOX SET out??

roger adultery (roger adultery), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Yes! A Sacred Reich fan. I dug out the Surf Nicaragua EP today cause of this thread. The first two songs are such fucking classics. And then the good live versions of Death Squad and Ignorance. They had a GREAT drummer. I always forget until I listen to em again. I also think The American Way (is that it?? the one from '90 with Crimes Against Humanity??) was one of the first metal albums to sound like what 90's metal would become.. before Chaos AD, Meantime, Vulgar Display..

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of old thrash the Testament album from maybe 2002 where they re-recorded a bunch of songs from their first two and best albums called First Strike Still Deadly kicks ass. Skolnick back on gits, DiGiorgio on bass mothafuckaz!!

And that new Anthrax album of re-recorded Belladonna era shit is great too.

I didn't know there was a Death Angel box set. I liked some of their stuff back in the day. Those kids could fuckin play!

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

I was jamming with a friend of mine who plays drums the other day and we just kinda figured out Anthrax "Blood" and Cro Mags "We Gotta Know". We were laughing our asses off cause we just learned both songs accidently and really fast without even listening to the records. Good times - thrash and hardcore are still the most fun styles of music to play. You just wanna destroy everything.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Weird, I was listening to BEYOND POSESSION today.

Nuclear Assault.

ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

I fucking love SOD too. Stormtroopers Of Death!! Speak English Or Die!! Kill Yourself!!

And big ups to Sepultura for Beneath The Remains and one of my ALL TIME favorites - ARISE!! I think they've actually stayed pretty good over the years too.

Would it be too much of a stretch to shout out a few NYHC bands??

Cro Mags!
Crumbsuckers again!
Agnostic Front!
Burn!
Beyond!
Judge!
Sick Of It All!
Bold! (for me - only when Tom Capone played with em)

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

Another of my all-time faves is Excel. Both of their albums. But the first one - Split Image - is so fucking classic. They were real close with Suicidal Tendencies who were great in this era. Mike Muir produced the album and it sounds pretty Suicidal but I actually liked Excel even better.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

Wow, really? I liked them - I hate to question yr thrash aptitude but I think you are mistaken, Johnny - I'm pretty sure the first Excel album was The Joke's On You. Or was THAT the second one? Shit. Anyway the singer of that band looked like Nate from Wolfize reimagined as surfer dork.

I got my moshpit cherry popped at a Kreator / Cro Mags gig at LaMours when I was just a wee lad of 12. My cousin was in, err, Carnivore at the time, if I remember correctly. Good, good times.

Death Angel COULD play but their lyrics were some of the weakest this side of Pungent Stench. Still, their 'breakthrough' album, Act III is pretty indispensible as far as thrash goes (Tho I still prefer Frolic Through the Park - "Road Mutants crushing all! They rise while others faaaaaaaaaall!!!" etc etc)

you're not the first guy to recommend to me the 'newer' Testament stuff - I have a buddy who's positively batshit for Skolnik. But to be honest I really don't see myself seeking any of that out! Maybe slsk...

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

I only like The Legacy and The New Order. Thats all except for First Strike Still Deadly which is nothing but new versions of songs from The Legacy and The New Order.

Split Image was definitely the first Excel album. The Jokes On You - the song - was on Split Image. The Jokes On You was the second record.

Carnivore - Retaliation - is classic. I remember you talking about your cousin - you wouldn't say who at the time - a while back.. the thing about he and Billy Milano.. Peter Steele??

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:23 (twenty years ago)

Skolnick is the man. Great in Testament. The best lead player from the 80's thrash scene hands down. And he had that sorta jazzy fusion type band in the 90's with the drummer from Primus. He was one talented cat.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

What about Practice What You Preach??? and the slow song on Souls of Black? (it's either called "The Legacy" or "The Ballad" - how confusing!)

(Yes P3t3R St33l3. I come from a very strange family - metalheads, deadheads, lesbians, born again christians, Italian-Catholics, and cops. Anyway Peter is a great guy, I love him dearly).

Best lead player from the 90s? He's good, but aren't you forgetting James Murphy?? TOTALLY underrated on Death's Spiritual Healing, among many others. The freelance / go-to guy!


roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

I meant Skolnick - Best lead player from the 80's. James Murphy was great indeed. And the cat who played with Schuldiner on Symbolic too. Which gives me an opportunity to give a BIG shout out to Gene Hoglan.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I liked parts of Practice What You Preach. The last song comes to mind. Can't remember it right now though. And song #2.. Geez its been a while. That was where my Testament listening and knowledge ends -they did somehow manage to recruit some great players over the years. Lombardo, DiGiorgio, Tempesta..

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

and James Murphy!

OK, OK, this is fun. Who's yr favorite death / thrash vocalist? Do you agree with me that Kam Lee was TOTALLY underrated? How about the dude from Autopsy? I suppose it would be wrong not to mention Glen Benton here as well...

roger adultery (roger adultery), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

I keep reading that this new Exodus album is awesome - best since Bonded by Blood? Is this true?

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

You just mean favorite death metal vocalists right?? My favorite death metal vocalists - yes Glen Benton, David Vincent, John Tardy, Barney Greenway, Max Cavelera (Arise).. if I WAS supposed to consider thrash and hardcore singers in this I'd have to include John Connelly, Phil from Sacred Reich, Bloodclot from Cro Mags, Kurt Brecht..

An album I love that hasn't been mentioned yet is COC's Animosity. I just love it because there's nothing else like it. It has this really wild outta control hell-raisin' kinda mood that it wouldn't have had had it not been a band from down hurr in the south.


Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

Do you agree with me that Kam Lee was TOTALLY underrated?

if memory serves, barney greenway actually referred to his "AYYY" roars as "kam lee vocal wipeouts."

who's the guy from suffocation? always liked him. chris reifert from autopsy, lori bravo from nuclear death (totally overlooked band), jeff walker and bill steer, tom g. warrior, vincent, benton, etc.. i never really thought john tardy was that great.

animosity! i just recently started listening to that again, it's so good. i still think i'm the only person on earth who likes snake nation (mike dean+woody weatherman's post-/pre-rejoining COC acid rock band). but i've been on a thrash kick this week - vulcano! pentagram (the one from chile)! demolition hammer! hexx! sadus!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

HIRAX!!

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:52 (twenty years ago)

yes, hirax!

and to answer the original question - CELTIC FROST. (minor TS: apollyon sun vs. john connelly's theory/c.i.a.)

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

How about Dayglo Abortions - Feed Us A Fetus?? That was a good one. Ludichrist?? I think they're first record may have had few good tunes from what I remember..

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

In Tom Warrior voice: HEYYY!

Now this is a thread. I've been hanging around a hospital in DC for a few days, listening to Terrorizer and Burzum cassettes in a car. It's sad this city has gone boring doom, because in the 80s there were some truly off-kilter thrashcore bands, like early Deceased, Indestroy, At War, and Rancid Decay. Thrash is easy to break down into boxy speed metal riffs, but the originators like Accused and Exodus were all nuts. Definitely Kam Lee was the most cuthroat and killer vocalist of the underground 80s. I went to a nuts parade in Bradenton, Florida last year. Plastic beads and pre-teen mothers on the pavement. Hail "Infernal Death"! And the Excel demos totally killed the albums, sorry to say. "Merciless Onslaught" combined Exodus, Metallica, and Trouble, so surrender all info on a CD relaease, because my tapes are rubbed numb. Thrash or die,

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

This could be a good time to revive this underpopulated thread I started ages ago: POX: 80's Thrash metal

M Carty (mj_c), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 10:46 (twenty years ago)

Anybody remember John Connelly's Theory, John Connelly's band, named after a 24-7 Spyz song of the same name? Weren't they, like, err, jazz fusion or something?

Or Southern rock? He was also one of the original lead singers in Anthrax, back when he reputedly wore priest collars and carried 2-liter bottles of Pepsi everywhere he went.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

The pic of John Connelly from the Nuclear Assault website where he's got the empty Budweiser case over his head is classic. I miss the days of spending all my time high on beer, weed, and metal. I'm happy they're back together. Its time to bring it all back! I'm glad we got this thread going.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

the dood from suffocation is AWFUL.

ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

NUH UH!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

has anyone else heard master's "unreleased 1985 album" - reissued last year on cd? this was traded big time back then, and was always mentioned in the same breath as repulsion and siege as an influence on the grindcore/early earache sound.

i love it - high speed HCish metal that sounds like it was recorded in a corrugated tin box. this is history, guys! they had a song called "terrorizer" - c'mon!!!

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

I've got thousands of cassette demos I'll be dubbing to disk for posterity this summer.

Yeah, Master killed, no doubt about it. Voor, Cryptic Slaughter demo, Sodom demos, Hellhammer demos...

It's hard to know where to start. This thread title is a good one -- a real Sophie's Choice call.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 24 February 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

I've only recently started listening to this type of music after steadily progressing from hardcore punk to grindcore and death/thrash metal, some favourites being Slayer, Death, Terrorizer, and I'm pretty sure I liked Nuclear Assault a lot too, I definitely downloaded one of their albums a while back.

But I don't know any Celtic Frost at all. Which probably makes me a clueless fool, so which album should I start with? I don't like big wanky solos much, more into full-on speed and barrage of noise (hence the fact I generally prefer the grind side of metal).


Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 24 February 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

el sabor U R RONG BROSEPH, he is a MEATHEAD LONG ISLAND TROLL. MEATHEAD VOCALISTS SUCK, HE SHOULD BE IN A METALCORE BAND.

http://www.suffocation.us/images/photos/frankgermany.jpg


LORD WORM IS THE BEST DEATH METAL VOCALIST.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 24 February 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

ha ha, celtic frost - no contest at all. what a silly question.

chuck, Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Poo -- Celtic Frost practically invented not having wanky solos. Morbid Tales, then To Mega Therion.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Nuclear Assault win for FUNKY NOISE alone.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

five most playable and therefore best celtic frost albums:

1. parched with thirst am i and dying (or whatever their compilation is called)
2. into the pandemonium
3. cold lake
4. vanity/nemesis
5. to mega therion

nuclear assault, insofar as i remember them, were worthless.

chuck, Thursday, 24 February 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

man, you with this "playable" and "listenable" BULLSHIT.

U ARE TOO OLD MAN. LET THE DREAM GO.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

yeah, you're right -- if i was some little ageist dipshit trying to impress the other children in my playgroup, i'd think that music wasn't made to be played or listened to, too. good point, guy.

chuck, Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

on the other hand, your ability to confuse dime-a-dozen stick-up-the-ass moshpit plod with "funk" is rather inspiring, i have to admit.

chuck, Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

HA! WHY DO YOU EVEN WRITE ABOUT MUSIC, I MEAN YOU CLEARLY HATE IT.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

I MEAN YOU DISMISS SOMETHING WITH THE QUICKENESS WITH "INSOFAR AS YOU REMEMBER..." "...IS WORTHLESS"

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU MAN.

ddb (ddb), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Deja vu. I imagine's Chuck been fighting variations of this argument for decades. In fact, there are at least 17 moribund threads on ILX cauterized by such flames. Hope this doesn't become one of them.

Anyway, on the subject of Michigan rockers, I haven't seen the Repulsion 2xCD reissue of HORRIFIED. Or the Voivod 3xCD reissue of WAR+PAIN. And there's a 20th Anniversary set of Exodus' BONDED BY BLOOD on the way.


Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 24 February 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

But I don't know any Celtic Frost at all. Which probably makes me a clueless fool, so which album should I start with?

you should maybe start off with some hellhammer, dude. "apocalyptic raids" is like ground zero for noise-barrage in metal, though it'll probably sound pretty mellow if you mostly listen to pig destroyer. follow that up with either "morbid tales/emperor's return" or "to mega therion." CF solos are more of the "fuck, 30 seconds to fill, scrabble out some fucked up noise" variety than wank.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Thursday, 24 February 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't start with Hellhammer -- they're definitely the unformed puke version of CF, and much more of an acquired taste. Let the urgency build as you grasp the brilliance of Morbid Tales and To Mega Therion, then carve into the earlier worms with gusto.

Just found a copy of Devastation (IL)'s excellent "Creation of Ripping Death" demo, and looking for biographical info I fell into another forum where this kind of question prevails:


> 80's demo bands that never really took off, just seeing if any of you remember them.

Savage Death,
Savage Thrust
Annihilation (not Annihilator)
Deathrash
Prime Evil
Wargod
Desexult
Tyrannicide
Necrovore
NME (guitarist killed his family, I heard)
Hellpreacher
Deathtripper
Vacant Grave
Dethtoll
Wreckage
Minotaur
Black Shephard
Dorsal Atlantica
Mutilator (FR)
Poison (WG)
Bird Of Prey
Gore (MI)
LOD (legion of death or doom, I forget. They sang "I fucked your mom")
LSN (loud senseless noise)
WTG (Whoppers Taste Good, better than their name)
SBS(satans bake sale)
Pedofile
Desecration (AZ and CA)
Last Option

I say yes to every one of those except Dethtripper and Last Option.

These bands are touchstones. Everyone needs a friend who looks at the EAB bank logo and thinks: "Epileptic Albino Bullfrogs...where are they now?"

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 24 February 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Coroner. Where's Coroner? They developed a certain pleasant artiness toward the end of their run, a trend which apparently hastened their end when I was rooting for the opposite.

George Smith, Friday, 25 February 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

Rest assured, among today's Meshuggah boosters are numbered many Coroner cultists. Greatness from Switzerland. Tom Warrior sang on the demo.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

Poison (WG)

this band really got the shaft, historically speaking. they definitely picked the wrong name - and then became the similarly awfully named r.u. dead and did some nice death/thrash stuff.

has the coroner demo ever been issued on cd? i had a crappy nth generation dub...

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

i was listening to those demos jeff hanneman cut for "reign in blood" and "south of heaven" and musing on how similar they were to bloodcum - which probably isn't surprising, as hanneman's brother did vocals for them. and john araya played bass/guitar. dumbass socal metalcore.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 25 February 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

My pal had a copy. I never listened to it. He was of the opinion that Coroner got worse with each album, the first being the best. I thought it was the other way around. They kept getting better and capped it with a career retrospective that was pure dynamite. "Grin" was my next fave.

George Smith, Friday, 25 February 2005 00:57 (twenty years ago)

This is an important decision, so I hope my advice helps. I suggest "Celtic Frost is to Nuclear Assault" as "getting laid is to being anally raped, beaten and killed."

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 25 February 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

Even considering that Nuclear Assault wrote a "tune" called "Buttfuck," this is still giving them too much credit. They were a relentless undercard band in my neck of the woods. Everyone heard what they sounded like but no one actually knew with any specificity what they sounded like, if you get my drift.

George Smith, Friday, 25 February 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

If you're saying Nuclear Assault sucked so much they barely deserved consideration, then I agree. When I'd hear a tune, I'd recognize it and affiliate it with whatever I thought was fun and cool at the time, but fuck no, I would never play Nuclear Assault and rock out to it because it just plain sucked.

Eleventy-Twelve (Eleventy-Twelve), Friday, 25 February 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

the best Celtic Frost is the "Tragic Serenades" 3-song EP, by about a million miles. Once they let Martin start doin' a very poor imitation of Only Theater of Pain-era Rozz Williams (which, itself, is ace of course), it all went to hell.

Nuclear Assault logo is awesome.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Friday, 25 February 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Whiplash fans, here's your opportunity. The band of guys all named Tony.

George Smith, Friday, 25 February 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

the best Celtic Frost is the "Tragic Serenades" 3-song EP, by about a million miles.

these are only different from the same tracks on "to mega therion" by virtue of a slightly altered mix, right?

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Friday, 25 February 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

A juicier mix of two tracks, plus a rollicking good times version of the Hellhammer/Morbid Tales gem "Return to the Eve."

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 25 February 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't listen to Nuclear Assault for kicks, either, but I still know the words to all the early songs by heart, so I'll stick up for them. For one thing, for Dan Lilker to leave a band outfitted with matching leather jackets and animal stripe guitars -- to play HARDCORE? That was a very big deal.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Friday, 25 February 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

I saw a video from the new Agnostic Front -- what the fuck? The song is a skankfest like Suicidal Tendencies circa 1989, plus the 3,456th guest appearance by Jamey Jasta this year.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 7 March 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I haven't seen the video with Jamey Jasta yet (he is everywhere isn't he??). There was a big article in Revolver magazine I believe it was - the one with the Dimebag tribute - about the NYHC scene. I think this record is the beginning of a sort-of comeback attempt for that scene. There's even a song where they shout-out to some of the bands from the golden era of that scene. Cro Mags, Sick Of It All, Warzone, Murphy's Law.. I like the new record. The artwork kicks ass too.

Johnny Badlees (crispssssss), Monday, 7 March 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
Does anybody remember Indestructible Noise Command? They were on the same label as Tankard. I can't remember the label for the life of me.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

is any CF in print on CD at the moment? Reading this thread makes me want to buy some again.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

INC? That's atrocious album art! I think they were on Giant, same label as Verbal Assault but definitely not Tankard. Just like you, I refuse to Google the facts.


Celtic Frost should all be in print -- there was a massive reissue series about 4 years ago.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

yeah, everything but cold lake has been reissued i think, including parched with thirst am i.

indestructible noise command. they covered two cars songs on their second album, apparently. i can't remember their music at all, but i think i'd probably take E-X-E, DBC or even DVC over them any day.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

INC isn't that bad, but they're nowhere near DBC.


Anyway, there's probably no one here that wouldn't cum grape juice over a band I got into via Tom Warrior: Bohren und der Club der Gore. The album I have is BLACK EARTH, and it's minimal Germanic ash jazz, I think from Bâle. The catalog would say "for fans of Naked City/Slint/Neubaten/Scorn with all the cheese scraped away."


By the way, Ulver pretty much blows.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

Razorback was the INC album I owned. I loved it at the time. I remember it had that dry crunch that "And Justice For All" had.

I miss all those albums. The Accused, Kreator, Death Angel, Celtic Frost (esp. To Mega Therion), Hellhammer (pre-CF), Possessed, DRI, MOD, Death, Pestilence.

I owned them all on crappy tapes. I was a stupid teenager.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and I haven't heard mention of DBC for YEARS!

I wonder if you can find this stuff on Soulseek!!!?

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

By the way, Ulver pretty much blows.

could you expad on this thought?

I owned them all on crappy tapes. I was a stupid teenager.

you and me both. lately i'm trying to rebuy all of my cheap noise/combat cassette stuff on vinyl.

you can definitely find the bigger names (hellhammer, death, possessed, pestilence) on soulseek, maybe even DBC if you get lucky.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)


Okay, expad I go: Ulver is not genius. Ulver is even less genius than Mortiis, because at least he went from black metal to electronic 5 years earlier and had good art direction. I just heard a new Ulver song called "Christmas" before posting, so I was freshly ired. In truth, I don't want to bash somebody's post-metal adventure, so this isn't fun to explain. Basically, the programming is dud and way too boxy, the sound selection is cheesy, and even most of the concepts are lifted (from Panacea, then Oval, now Sigur Ros/a-Ha). But the few records I do like (the early ones, Silencing Dead Speakers, the Machines comp) keep me drinking from this wellspring of disappointment.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

ok! i agree, actually, i just wasn't sure if you meant all ulver or what.

expad sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Well, Ulver is pretty pointless after their first "trilogy." Who cares about their post-black metal bullshit. When Ulver left the woods, put out their torches and abandoned fairy tales, they pretty much lost it. I do like "Themes" though.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, and Celtic Frost owns the court.

James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

seventeen years pass...

this is Celtic Frost by 700 miles but in a vocalist battle, Connelly would basically be incinerated by one "OOOOOH" by Tom G. Warrior

idk why so many thrash metal singers wanted to sound like fucking Geddy Lee.

Toonie Orlando (Neanderthal), Thursday, 25 August 2022 03:21 (two years ago)


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