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I don't. At most I click on the review to see the rating. All the news is here before it's there. The ads are obnoxious as hell (terrible layout). Why bother?

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

why bother starting another pitchfork thread?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

pitchfork hating is tantamount to vice hating, hipster hating, and trucker hat hating.. ENOUGH

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

this is funny tho - currently on the front page of pitchfork

>> RETRACTION

Last Tuesday, June 15th, Pitchfork published a review of the Beastie Boys' To the 5 Boroughs by Brent DiCrescenzo, a frequent and trusted contributor. In his review, Brent detailed experiences with the Beastie Boys' public relations firm Nasty Little Man, and its president Steve Martin, over the course of several years. Pitchfork has since determined that a number of DiCrescenzo's assertions were false, based on corroborated statements from the two parties he claimed were participating in the chain of events referred to in the review. With apologies to Steve Martin and Nasty Little Man, we have retracted the original review in its entirety, and would like to make the following known publicly, to correct any and all falsities perpetrated by Brent's review:

1) Radiohead were never in Milan in June 1999.

2) Radiohead never moved a concert from Villa Reale in Milan to Monza in 1999, 2000 or otherwise.

3) Steve Martin never "forgot to tell" Brent that the concert was moved, as it was not.

4) Neither Steve Martin, nor anyone working for Nasty Little Man, ever confirmed a Radiohead interview with Brent DiCrescenzo or Pitchfork.

5) Brent DiCrescenzo's declaration that Steve Martin had not gotten back to him or Mean magazine about a possible Beastie Boys interview after six weeks is untrue: Martin was in constant contact with Mean publisher Kashy Khaledi and editor Andy Hunter throughout that period.

6) Mean magazine never "delayed their publication to accomodate [Martin's] procrastination." Kashy Khaledi did so of his own volition in order to keep the Beastie Boys cover story Martin had confirmed and saw through with him every step of the way.

7) Steve Martin has never, to Brent DiCrescenzo's knowledge, "dangled [his] major artists... like carrots to the media in an attempt to blackmail press for features" on less established artists or bands.

Sincerely,
Pitchfork Media

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

we don't need to be saying those kind of things, mmkay?

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

FOr all my Pitchfork posting re: that one silly review, I like the site, it gives me the heads up one some interesting music to check out. i.e. I read it for the William Basinski reviews, not the Flaming Lips reviews

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

PITCHFORK HATING HATING IS TANTAMOUNT TO VICE HATING HATING, HIPSTER HATING HATING, AND TRUCKER HAT HATING HATING... ENUFF. BTW WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS SO QUICK TO RESPOND TO ANY THREAD THAT MENTIONS PITCHFORK?

― PITCHFORK LOVER, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

i only read pitchfork when someone starts a pitchfork hatin'-on thread.

― stockholm cindy (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I skim it about once a week. Sometimes try to read an article but never usually make it all the way through. HOTTT Dleone kinda lost me yesterday with this:

I think No-Wave (and its successors) had a lot less to do with the La Monte-side of things (if you discount his early word-music pieces in An Anthology...) and more to do with Fluxus and its progeny Performance Art. But hey, other than that, when it got to the music, the review was okay.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to go read it RIGHT NOW

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

dear anonymous dick:

i'm quick to respond to any stupid-ass thread, cause i'm bored at work.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I read the reviews/news of the bands/artists I'm interested in, just like any site.

I wouldn't call the layout "terrible", although it could be better.

― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

for news, pitchfork should switch to a team blog format - as there news is often days late and re-written in a stoopid jokey style.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

any site that's got interviews with Acid Mothers Temple, Animal Collective, Black Dice, Circulatory System, Kevin Drumm, Explosions in the Sky, Fennesz, Fugazi, Daniel Johnston, Liars, Matmos, Mission of Burma, Mountain Goats, Mouse on Mars, Need New Body, Keith Fullerton Whitman, Xiu Xiu, etc. has got SOMETHING good going on.
x-post-i agree

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I check in every day. There's usually at least one review and one piece of news that I'm interested in reading.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

If you think this layout is bad, you should have seen it when it was various shades of blue- this one is at least easier on the eyes, although the constant blinking ads can be annoying (but no less annoying than the rest of the web's incessant blinking ads).

― mclaugh (mclaugh), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cyberarium.com/images/misc6199/numfour.jpg

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"In some ways, no-wave's successors were merely continuing a long standing New York tradition of eclecticism and the post-modern in rock that had been initiated in the 60s by The Velvet Underground and influenced by composers La Monte Young, Tony Conrad and Terry Riley."
I think No-Wave (and its successors) had a lot less to do with the La Monte-side of things (if you discount his early word-music pieces in An Anthology...) and more to do with Fluxus and its progeny Performance Art. But hey, other than that, when it got to the music, the review was okay.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), June 22nd, 2004.

I think he's talking about the music continuum that began with Lamont, to VU, to no wave, not saying No Wave was directly influenced by what VU was influenced by. Lamont just started a chain that made it acceptable to have many influences, which don't really have to include his music itself.

― David Allen (David Allen), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

wait. ive been puzzling over whether dominique leone was a girl or a boy for some time now.
i always read her/him on progreviews.com
do reveal!

― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Think Dominique Wilkins.

― Mark (MarkR), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

curses!
i guess i just wanted a female role model very badly.

― emma cleveland (emma cleveland), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah I think that's fair assesment. I just think it links No-Wave and minimalism a little too heavily, perhaps inadvertantly, altho there's always some overlap with this sorta thing. And I think it being a continuum is an important point. I'd love for somebody to someday write a comprehensive survey of L.E.S. art/music/whathaveyou.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:11 (twenty-one years ago)

http://uk.geocities.com/jeremiah9956/d/dominique.txt

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

'I think No-Wave (and its successors) had a lot less to do with the La Monte-side of things (if you discount his early word-music pieces in An Anthology...) and more to do with Fluxus and its progeny Performance Art. But hey, other than that, when it got to the music, the review was okay.'

But wasn't Young was a fluxus member (is that what you're referring to by his 'word-music' pieces)? Anyway, I'm not sure about how deeply into the whole thing he actually was.

Other than that I'm not sure what other things- beyong velvet underground and a few other primitive rock things- you could attach to no wave.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Young was Fluxus, initially, before Fluxus really was Fluxus. After Maciaunas really codified it into his movement, La Monte kinda dropped out.

beyond velvet underground and a few other primitive rock things- you could attach to no wave.

In a sense you could say that La Monte's Poem for Tables, Chairs, etc. sounds a lot like a lot of No-Wave, just in a different context perhaps.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Should I write for pitchfork?

not that they're asking me to, or anything. it just seems like they are the place to go to for record reviews. i think i'm funny could totally do it.
-- frankE (frankeeeeeee...), April 18th, 2004.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

busted!

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

OH KILIAN, you are the man.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

frankE in drunken stupor shocka.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:26 (twenty-one years ago)

backpedal backpedal backpedal

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i pedal forward and onward.

― frankE (frankE), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

gygax, admit it, you're stalking me

(ps, David Allen's interpretation above is basically otm)

― dleone (dleone), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

oh i totally admit it!

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

HOTTness!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

FrankE should review records when he's drunk, like I plan on doing from now on and at no other times.

which means I can reveiw records now, hic

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

There really shd be a "If you want to bitch about Pitchfork, click here" link on the ILM front page to all 38,381,398 bitch-happy PFork threads (including MINE from back when I was a dolt).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:04 (twenty-one years ago)

if you don't like hating on pitchfork, don't click on pfork hate threads

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:05 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.artic.edu/aic/collections/modern/pictures/E09932big.jpg

― andy, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.agagames.com/images/pitchfork.png

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

it gets tedious to read Pitchfork reviews where the writers "think out loud." ex. after five paragraphs of intro on the Black Dice review, i just gave up.

― jean jeudi, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:39 (twenty-one years ago)

i only read pitchfork when someone starts a pitchfork hatin'-on thread.

I don't even do that!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, MY FRIENDS!!!

http://www.strawberrynorth.co.uk/images/group.jpg

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.scallen.com/images/050801.gif

MORE LIKE THIS

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://graphics.jsonline.com/graphics/owlive/img/apr02/promise042202_big.jpg

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

We know that's secretly your favorite band, Jon.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Who are those dudes? The douchebag with the mug looks like this one narcoleptic guy that used to work at my friend's coffee shop. Except slightly more douchebaggy.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that The Promise Ring?

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't check Pitchfork out often, but when I have I've appreciated the news section more than the reviews. I've read some really over-the-top reviews on pf that just made my eyes roll. Pitchfork would be a much better site if it weren't so obvious that most egos there have ballooned past recognition.

― Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: Jon & the Promise Ring - hate is just misguided love.

Chris, what kinda fucked up Strokes pic did you just post?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

That's 10cc. Art for Art's Sake.

Boy I never get tired of people who "Never/barely ever/can't be bothered to" read Pitchfork. "I can make it like two sentences in, yawn". Right.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris Ott doesn't care about the haters but shows up every time!

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even type in the whole URL before I get bored. "Egos" etc.

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I care about the hataz state of denial.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I still read pitchfork's reviews most of the time (although I will echo the many many criticisms of the oftentimes confusing and self-indulgent writing)...but there's been lots of times I've been "hipped" to a new band (as the kids say) that I'd never heard of before from P-fork....I guess as a cornee fux-ola I do still find it useful, at least because - even if I don't really understand what the author is getting at - I can usually divine some kind of meaning or basic bands that the CD at hand is reminiscent of and put it in my mental "I should check this out" list...

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"...the risibly earnest Ott fails to find any fresh angles on Manchester's post-punk enigmas, and his own would-be purple prose remains resolutely grey, alternating between po-faced sycophancy and tedious muso dissesctions."

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

MUSO DISSESCTIONS

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, 'cos there's a fresh angle to take on Joy Division. I also like that - shocka! - my book isn't as significant as his widow's memoir.

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

much thanks to Jon's 18 pic postings which makes every thread hard to load.

― jean jeudi, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

turn off images.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

upgrade to netscape 3

― Jon Williams!!!!! (ROFFLE!@!@!@) (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Jon, how dare you ruin this thread with your silly pictures? These threads are about the daily vitrol directed towards a music website. HOW DARE YOU JON YOU COMMIE SLAG

― deanomgwtf!!!p%3Fmsgid%3D4581997 (deangulberry), Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, 'cos there's a fresh angle to take on Joy Division.

I take it you didn't do your own negotiations with the publisher.

― Vic Funk, Tuesday, 22 June 2004 20:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I always read Pitchfork, but only in the bathroom.

― scottontharox (scottkundla), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i like it - sometimes i dont agree (a fair bit actually), sometimes i do. dont see a problem with that. tis a lot more fun than nme.com. fairplay to them.

― mark e (mark e), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://209.50.251.48/pics6/pet2.jpg

― Shake Your Halo Down! (ex machina), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Wanna...watch?

― Chris Ott (Chris Ott), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, who'd have thought all those cats would need the toilet at exactly the same time?

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

pitchfork stinks of ass and not in a good way

― Queen G of twin city titties, Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, Andrew L.

I only read Pitchfork for amusement purposes, as it teaches me how to NOT write reviews and gives me something laugh at. Only on scarce occasions have I ever agreed with the bastards, ratings-wise. My mate Sophia and I relish in denouncing Chris Out and his reviews, too. Oops, I mean Ott, sorry.

By the way, has anyone seen Sub Pop's parody of Pitchfork? Actually, I don't know why I asked, I am sure of great portion of you have, but I must say...VICIOUS. Brilliantly vicious.

― Ian Moraine (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 24 June 2004 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Pitchfork is worth reading for me because of the daily news updates for a large portion of the bands and types of music I listen to. Some of the features and interviews can be fun and/or interesting to read as well.

The reviews are hit or miss. But when they miss, DAMN....

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 24 June 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

Hm, was that worth a thread revival?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 24 December 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

No to both questions.

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Saturday, 24 December 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

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