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i say classic, if only for the interviews that the indie fuxor guy does with rappers (the ll cool j interview this week was class) and R&B artists (the smuji video segment a few weeks back was hilarious).

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago) link

classic sure. see also ILX heroes: Miquita Oliver and Simon Amstell

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 08:59 (twenty years ago) link

miquita's legs - total classic.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:04 (twenty years ago) link

i wish these guys presented TOTP.

TOTP has the blandest, dumbest, most boring presenters ever employed by the BBC.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago) link

both of 'em are classic. the ll cool j interview wz hilarious.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:06 (twenty years ago) link

Teh Beanie Man interview during which Simon tells him he is gay and then Beanie Man refuses to shake his hand was a classic

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:25 (twenty years ago) link

D, absolutely. why? because popworld is part of the simon fuller axis. YOU'RE ALL BEING FOOLED! wise-ass fun that takes the piss out of the modern pop industry? no, it IS the modern pop industry in its most insidious form.

yeh, simon is one cool-ass fucker (good name, too), but the fact remains he's taking the devil's shilling. it's all part of the man's sinister plan, kids.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 09:32 (twenty years ago) link

Classic, to the very marrow of the bone, Miqita I love you!

― lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:10 (twenty years ago) link

That bloke irritates me in a way that few television presenters do. He seems like he's be the perfect bad ILM poster. It's one thing to be sarcastic and knowing, but the relentless way in which he takes the piss just seems to me vicious and nasty rather than fun-loving or cheeky.

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:11 (twenty years ago) link

Simon, show me evidence of this proposed Fuller connection, because i aint convinced. And besides, arn't Girls Aloud nesteled within his evil clutches? Yet they are clearly the greatest all female vocal pop band since (insert name here, but if you are thinking Spice Girls I have 2 words for you 'Viva Forever.')

― lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:16 (twenty years ago) link

anyone who doesnt like girls aloud doesnt like pop!

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:18 (twenty years ago) link

x-post, shouldnt we be welcoming a bit of nastiness and cruelty in the blanded out world of music programmes on TV, super masonic black hole?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:19 (twenty years ago) link

popworld is the nuts! even more so since biggins' chart predictions became a fixture. and while simon can be cruel there is love in popworld too (see: jamelia, amy winehouse, the relentless PR campaign that is busted etc etc - even the welcoming of lemar to the brace at "popbeach" after months of sly digs & backchat) i do love it when somebody vapid and vainglorious attempts to get "in" with simon & miquita & falls flat (see shaznay lewis - oooh cringeworthy).
best tv show ever unless this weeks epsode of LEXX is good. (this week's was great!)

― bob snoom, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:20 (twenty years ago) link

If it was funny-sarcastic, I would see your point. But it's nasty-sarcastic, and bitchy, and I just can't stomach bitchy any more.

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

i dont know, i find him genuinely funny. i dont think hes that nasty or bitchy, really. a bit patrionising, yeah, but not a total asshole.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:23 (twenty years ago) link

I don't find him funny at all. I find him patronising and too clever by half. Also something about his little chipmunk face just screams SMARMY and perhaps even PUNCHABLE to me.

― Super-Masonic Black Hole (kate), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:27 (twenty years ago) link

im quite surprised no one has punched him yet.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago) link

Less about the lad, more about the girl, please thankyou.

― ___ (___), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Teh Beanie Man interview during which Simon tells him he is gay and then Beanie Man refuses to shake his hand was a classic

I would like to see this. Other than that, I find him kind of...slappabale. That knowing way he has of being nasty to people once they're off-screen although he's been smiling through an interview with the same person five minutes earlier just seems needlessly cruel and unneccessary. We KNOW Melanie Chisholm is crap. If you know it too, why not have someone more interesting on your programme?

Sometimes, though, he is funny. In a mean, spiteful, wouldn't buy him a drink unless it was to pour over his head sort of way.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

Although pouring a drink over someone's head could also be construed as slightly spiteful.

― hobart paving (hobart paving), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:40 (twenty years ago) link

they cant really have any one better on the programme, as its for kiddies. this way allows them to have their cake and spitefully eat it.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 10:43 (twenty years ago) link

> Simon, show me evidence of this proposed Fuller connection,
> because i aint convinced

go to http://www.popworld.com. go to "info" at the top right of the main screen, then scroll down to "corporate information".

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 11:02 (twenty years ago) link

Simon was sitting opposite me in my local last night. ROWR!

― marianna lcl, Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:17 (twenty years ago) link

Disgusting and depressing.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:25 (twenty years ago) link

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:32 (twenty years ago) link

I don't disagree.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:33 (twenty years ago) link

ive only seen clips of it - i'm never up early enough for the whole programme. But i find it slightly upsetting for the reasons Hobart Paving said. I think young people being arch and sarcastic is now the norm - in real life as well as on TV - and that's a bad thing.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:39 (twenty years ago) link

I want to meet an arch young person.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago) link

sarcastic everyone's at.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago) link

I'll introduce you to Abigai1 Wi1d.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

now I have to look up what arch means.

― cºzen (Cozen), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

Arch

2: (used of behavior or attitude) characteristic of those who
treat others with condescension [syn: condescending, patronizing,
patronising]

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:46 (twenty years ago) link

That's what I would have said too.

Weirdly, the (American) dictionary.com has it only as 'mischievous; roguish'.

I used to be all in favour of kids being arch and sarcastic, but jed is making me doubt myself.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 22:50 (twenty years ago) link

Would you settle for an evil, disaffected, sarcastic malcontent kid-no-longer like me?

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 2 September 2004 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

why shouldn't they be sarcastic? a lot of the people they have to deal with arguably deserve it (Beenie Man a good example).

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Thursday, 2 September 2004 10:56 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think all kids are arch and sarcastic, or at least if they are it does not mean they are cynical or critical.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

I guess I mean that it's just an adopted thing rather than a generation defining one. Though I don't know many 12/13 year olds.

― Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:05 (twenty years ago) link

I'm related to a few and so far that's not the case. Though maybe when they're 15, it'll pick up.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:11 (twenty years ago) link

I wish I knew more 12/13 year olds.

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Jimmybommy JimmyK'KANG (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:12 (twenty years ago) link

for large chunks of the program, simon doesnt mock, but merely asks pop stars silly questions. it's not his fault if some of the celebs dont respond well to the questions.

and he looks like the british version of seth cohen. rowrr indeed.

― may, Thursday, 2 September 2004 11:15 (twenty years ago) link

you all better recognise.

fo shizzle

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 13:08 (twenty years ago) link

When Southall announces that he wishes he knew more babies/grandads/pushchairs/sea lions, then I'll be worried.

― R.I.M.A. (Barima), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago) link

See, this morning was an example of when Popworld really works - Simon Amstell and Darren Hayes playing off one another, trying to see how long it would take before one of them cracked up. And me hyperventilating with giggles and forgetting to check the oven.

― cis (cis), Sunday, 5 September 2004 09:17 (twenty years ago) link

simon amstell was awful interviewing the vaguely humorless cassidy today.

― cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

a variety of schticks is better than one needing changed.

― cºzen (Cozen), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:48 (twenty years ago) link

popworld is still the best pop music show on british TV today.

― splooge (thesplooge), Sunday, 5 September 2004 10:54 (twenty years ago) link

i think they are all equally the worst.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 5 September 2004 11:00 (twenty years ago) link

"Irony: Do not let yourself be goverened by it, especially not in uncreative moments. In creative moment try to make use of it as one more means of grasping life. Cleanly used, it too is clean, and one nead not to be ashamed of it; and if you feel you are getting too familiar with it, it you fear this grownin intimacy with it, then turn to great and serious objects, before which it becomes small and helpless. Seek the depth of things: thither irony never descends - and when you come this close to the edge of greatness, test out at the same time whether this ironic attitude springs from a necessity of your nature. For under the influence of serious things either it will fall from you (if it is something fortuitous,) or else it will (if it really innately belongs to you) strengthen into a stern instrument and take its place in the series of tools with which you will have to shape your art."

Simon and mikita (sp?) should read Rilke.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 5 September 2004 23:10 (twenty years ago) link

two years pass...

yet another crappy British music mag

Popworld Pulp

New weekly music magazine
http://fireescapetalking.blogspot.com/2007/04/new-weekly-music-magazine.html

A new weekly music magazine has hit the newsstands. Popworld Pulp, a spin-off of the long-running Channel 4 TV programme, launched today; it will be lucky to still be publishing at the end of the year.

― djmartian, Thursday, 12 April 2007 12:48 (seventeen years ago) link

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DJ Martian staggering though it may seem to you, a USP doesn't necessarily mean a list of acts!

However, if you're looking for a list of acts, go to the Radio 1 site and look at the stuff in the Top 40 (plus specialist charts). That would seem to cover it.

― Groke, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:19 (seventeen years ago) link

You can buy (or could) in WH Smiths in Hamilton but you cant get The Wire anymore. As apparently I'm the only person in Hamilton who bought it.

The magazine, priced £1.49, was aimed at 16-24 year olds and focused on indie, pop, rock, emo and R&B.

Please can we have The Lex saying "But R&B and Pop kids don't wanna read about indie and emo!!"?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:21 (seventeen years ago) link

how are Popworld the TV show's ratings nowadays anyway? I take it many of us don't watch it as much as we did in the Simon/Miquita era?

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:22 (seventeen years ago) link

Artrocker is in WH Smiths as well nowadays. We're through the looking glass, people.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:24 (seventeen years ago) link

i catch popworld the telly show very occasionally, and it's just poo.

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

now that is. i used to go out of my way to watch it.

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"This was a publishing disaster waiting to happen, 1 million pounds up in smoke, a year's work for nothing, 10 people let go after 2 issues - due to the fact there was NO new niche market to fill.

-- djmartian, Wednesday, April 18, 2007 6:53 PM (Yesterday)"

the money isn't up in smoke though. it kept printers/designers/hacks in smart trainers for a few months. it's a disaster for the backers. boo-hoo.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link

i used to go out of my way to watch it.

you didn't have a TV?

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:27 (seventeen years ago) link

When did Simon and Miquita leave?

― Groke, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Christmas 05, wasn't it?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i had a tv, but it wasn't IN my way. some distance outside of it. my tv is now in my way. bloody thing.

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:31 (seventeen years ago) link

another thing that went wrong for popworld pulp, the misconception that this magazine would appeal to 16-24 year olds - the front cover design looked more like 12-15 kids mag.

― djmartian, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:32 (seventeen years ago) link

the design looked bad yes

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:33 (seventeen years ago) link

people like bad design.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:39 (seventeen years ago) link

do you?

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:45 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not just people steve.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:47 (seventeen years ago) link

do you like bad design?

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

they had the klaxons on the cover. a MIILION quid riding on it?
with the KLAXONS on the cover?? a band playing THE FUCKING RITZ in manchester despite endless hype about them for months? they must be mad. 10 staff of 13 have been fired off the project. what the fuck-fire are the other 3 doing? anyone know?

― pisces, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

*and* there was no CLUB listings section. i scoffed aloud in the newsagent.

cheap paper an' all for a shiny new pop mag.

― pisces, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:18 (seventeen years ago) link

what the fuck-fire are the other 3 doing? anyone know?

re-deployed to other projects within the company, the company has other publishing interests

― djmartian, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:19 (seventeen years ago) link

redeployment evenly across the following titles (all doing 100,000+ a month)

Property Swindler Monthly
Capital Punishment Supporter
LolCats Update

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:26 (seventeen years ago) link

To be honest, I would say that "Maybe x publishing house should just take a chance and give y fanzine/webzine editor a £500k budget, they couldn't come up with anything worse", but then I remember Bang.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:27 (seventeen years ago) link

bang was another failure as in reality it didn't offer anything different to NME

― djmartian, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

it had taylor parkes. i bought it for that.

― pisces, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:32 (seventeen years ago) link

bang was like select magazine circa 2000 - no sense of purpose, no quality control

― djmartian, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:36 (seventeen years ago) link

no income tax no VAT

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

select circa 2000 was still okay. better than bang, which i too bought for taylor parkes. who was then sacked lol.

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:37 (seventeen years ago) link

people like bad design.

OTM. Heat/Take a Break/Hello etc to thread As much as I love the cool style and snappy fonts in The Wire or Sight on Sound they're not magazines which are going to sell 130,000 copies per issue.

― Billy Dods, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

none of these mags are bought because of their design tho (good or bad)

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:36 (seventeen years ago) link

also in 1993 every single magazine on the market looked horrendous (ahhhh post-Adobe hindsight tho...)

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

sight and sound is bought for the AWESOME WRITING

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:38 (seventeen years ago) link

none of these mags are bought because of their design tho (good or bad)

You don't think so? Maybe it's not the main reason that they're bought but it's a big part of their usp that they have higher design values which appeal to a more design literate clientele, which their writing and coverage overlaps with.

― Billy Dods, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:41 (seventeen years ago) link

it's not really provable unless the next issue of The Wire is all done in Comic Sans, pink and yellow and with kittens everywhere.

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:53 (seventeen years ago) link

more design literate clientele

design-literate, design-conscious or just design-bothered - not sure which is appropriate, if any.

if i bought The Wire now i might think 'yes this looks quite nice and smart and i can see attention has been paid to aesthetics'

people may also have done this in 1993 tho it's actually quite hard to imagine it. i do think there was a point in the mid-late 90s where design became much more of an issue in this regard whereas ideas and expectations about it were different before (can also be applied to pre-internet marketing i guess).

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

What looks worse design-wise these days NME or Kerrang?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

there's all manner of ways to look at 'bad design'. bad design for a weekly mag would be not knowing how to find the bit you want, the page being confusing. but even then confusing page layout is a target market thing. what's confusing to a 30 yr old Wire reader is straight forward to a sugar buzzin 14 yr old. that's before you get on to visual detail.

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link

both Kerrang's and NME's websites are pretty ugly (and both rely on black/white/red a lot).

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, can we please have a moratorium on Vice-esque "antistyle" magazine design? That shit was tired in 2004.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I think The Wire looks wretched. All those portraits. Give me a double page celebrity love handles feature with all the captions on a 20 degree slant any day.

― Groke, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

best bit of that BBC piece:

new platforms like the internet

OMG REALLY???

Has anyone seen Super Super? Made my eyes hurt.

― CharlieNo4, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

altho NME's word count per page is still often quite roflicious, they look OK/seem appropriate generally. as do Kerrang's i expect.

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

i love my slanty text tho

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

as FreakyTrigger website would indicate

― blueski, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

i can't read 'little white lies'. can an expert tell me if it's good design?

― That one guy that quit, Thursday, 19 April 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

where is thread on scroobius pip?

― Alan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 17:16 (seventeen years ago) link

sure enough the show has also now been axed (sez Popjustice). official RIP pop music on terrestrial TV in any shape or form.

― blueski, Friday, 27 April 2007 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

i abhor this show now. cant wait til it dissapears (HAS it dissapeared?). theyre so fucking smug and irritating. do kids actually like this sort of hoxton-cuntish condesension?

― titchyschneiderMk2, Thursday, 14 June 2007 11:23 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...

C4's alleged 'commitment' to Popworld brand to possibly resurface via their acquisition of 50% stake in Emap's music television division? details

― blueski, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 17:53 (seventeen years ago) link

six months pass...

Martian where do you hang about when you're trying to get girls?
-- Matt DC, Thursday, 12 April 2007 15:20 (10 months ago) Link

^^^ILX questions never answered

― Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 16:56 (sixteen years ago) link

Miquita = yummy

― Bodrick III, Tuesday, 19 February 2008 20:45 (sixteen years ago) link

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