out and out proper POP song of the year.

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look i know its only mid october-ish but barring a miracle
its looking like a toss up between

the show - girls aloud and
me plus one - annie

for my mon£y.

the KYLIE/scissor sisters thing though is an outside bet,
who's heard this?

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm the only person who loves Robbie's new single, aren't I?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)

dont like kylie, her voice is awful. and ss is the worst band EVER. worse than doooooooooooooors

so i say annie. heartbeat.

― no i dont, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:00 (twenty-one years ago)

it's The Show vs. Some Girls for me, I think

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

unless Thank You by Jamelia counts as proper POP - then it's a 3-way tie

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not proper pop, jamelia's black!

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

No Tracer you can't have a job with Q Magazine...

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:10 (twenty-one years ago)

the show obv.

― lukey (Lukey G), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Trouble is, out and out proper POP songs have to be, by definition, popular. So I couldn't elect anything by Annie because she's not yet commercially proven, though if "My Heartbeat" and "Me Plus One" aren't gigantic hits then I'm going to give up on today's pop kids.

I am suspecting that that new Robbie Williams single is something approaching genius but I'll come back to that on my blog next week.

Otherwise - "Lola's Theme," I guess; does what it says on the tin and still manages to take you somewhere else by the time it ends, plus it went to number one.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Annie! :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:18 (twenty-one years ago)

they don't HAVE to be popular/successful, it's the conceptual/aesthetic quality alone that counts for me

anyway, 'Chewing Gum' was relatively popular according to chartlore - just not as popular as many felt it should be

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Alcazar - This Is The World We Live In.

Well, it was massive on the continent, and they have superior licencing laws, faster public transport and better porn so THEY KNOW BEST.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

that's not proper pop, jamelia's black!

Phil Spector to thread!

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Some Girls.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:23 (twenty-one years ago)

and i'm amazed that anyone can think of 'Radio' as anything other than truly dire. maybe if it was Marc Almond...(interesting thought: gay guy doing that OTT pomp more palatable because macho schtick replaced/blended with more 'genuine' camp factor)..aw no it'd still be shite

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Williams sounds exactly like David Bowie on "Radio", I did an aural double take when I first heard it. It's spectacularly bad, though I had to hear it twice before I decided that it wasn't so bad it was good.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Radio is dire because it's a Robbie Williams single that is not "Supreme".

For me, best OUT AND OUT PROPER pop single of the year is either Lena Philipsson's "Delirium" or JC Chasez's "All Day Long I Dream About Sex".

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Pop music does not equal SteveM music.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i can't hear Bowie in him at all - i think the reason i mentioned Almond was because i was reminded more readily of his cover of 'Jacky' which is great! whereas 'Radio' ain't at all

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:32 (twenty-one years ago)

The Kylie single is good but her vocals are so terribly off key they seem like a deliberate attempt at sabotage. Whats "The Show"? that really fast one? i didn't like initially but it has worked its way into my head and i've only heard it about 4 times. Maybe proper pop is dead? i don't care much.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Jamelia is proper pop of course, but OUT AND OUT PROPER POP to me signifies a certain cheap and cheerful goofiness that I'm not sure she shares with Girls Aloud, Rachel Stevens etc? My genre classifications are spurious obv.

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i only hear this stuff when i'm shopping anyway.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Pop music does not equal SteveM music

whatever. 'Radio' is of course a big pop song. i just think it's incredibly poor and as a result it surprises me when some critics profess to like it.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Radio is fascinatingly bad

― pete b. (pete b.), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Jamelia's songs are as pop as it's possible to be. i think the only associations with any other genres would've come from earlier singles featuring Beenie Man and Rah Digga (Money and Bout being better than the more recent hits imo), you could say that Joss Stone is much closer to the whole modern soul/rnb thing (but evidently overlapping with more mainstream/universal pop aesthetic just fine).

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Jamelia's the most boring person who ever lived.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Heartbeats by The Knife. Even though it was originally released November 2002 in Sweden, it just came out in the UK now.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Well I like Radio. There, I've said it now. To be honest, when I first heard it, I thought it was the Fat Truckers or something.

― Braces Tower, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I vote for "She Will Be Loved" by Maroon 5 for out and out proper POP song of the year.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Except that most people who bought it would probably profess to hate pop.

"Toxic", yeah?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as European chart pop goes, I'm a huge fan of Mousse T's "Is It Cos I'm Cool," Girls Aloud "Love Machine," and Rachel Stevens' "Some Girls," as well Annie in general and the "Chewing Gum"/"Heartbeat"/"Me Plus One" axis in specific.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

In terms of US hits, gee, I don't know. There just hasn't been much that I've been really into this year, which is kinda sad. I can't count Jay-Z and Outkast singles because they are from 2003 albums. I really love that song "Overdrive" by Katy Rose, but that never took off.

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:16 (twenty-one years ago)

omg Overdrive! The best GIRL WITH GUITARS song since... the last one. I think "Some Girls" and "Chewing Gum" are too knowing to be out and out proper pop. Still magnificent, obviously.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)

surely all pop is knowing now?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"This Love" by Maroon 5 doesn't really know it's pop, which is partly why it works so well as pop.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:26 (twenty-one years ago)

There has been a lot of Meta-Pop lately, see Natasha Bedingfield's "These Words", the new Gwen Stefani single, "Chewing gum", etc

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Blue - Bubblin'

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

define meta pop. how is annie meta pop?
no sacrcasm - honest question.

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought metapop was "songs about other songs." Or maybe "songs about making songs."

I vote for "Take Me Out" by Franz Ferdinand

― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Annie is really meta-pop. It just doesn't fit into the idea of unabashed, unashamed, vibrant, attention-grabbing pop that comes to mind when I see the title of this thread.

― edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

is "take me out" closer to the truth than any of us dare admit?

― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

no, cos it is neither good nor anything approaching ubiquitous

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Nobody has yet said anything more profound about "Radio" than "this is poo". I am waiting for someone to express something about this song that might help me understand why it's so bad according to most people. (My paean to why it's good is being saved for the greatest hits review I'm writing.)

"Take Me Out" is great and people who say otherwise are mental. It's TOTALLY ubiquitous on radio.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

It feels really weird to say this because I'm so used to them being an indie band, but the biggest non-rap American hit from 2004 that I enjoy is Modest Mouse's "Float On."

― Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

'Chewing Gum' seems VERY meta-pop - if not just schizo-pop

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick, you don't think my comments on this thread and on NYLPM about 'Radio' are at least attempting reasoned criticism?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Annie isn't really meta-pop aside from "Chewing Gum", which is a song about bubblegum pop.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

yeh, remember people, artists aren't ANYTHING, only their songs are

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Which ever is the most pop out of Britney Spears' "Toxic," John Mayer's "Clarity" and Usher's "Burn" I guess.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i think Franz Ferdinand have good indie-pop nous based on the three singles, all of which i think have 'something' (they're not amazing but they're hardly terrible either)

i suppose 'Toxic' should win tho, because it covers the most bases

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

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what Robbie is saying is the point i am the least concerned with in my criticism i admit. it's the way he's saying it that i don't like and it makes the subject more irritating.

i suppose you'll make some earth-shattering revelation about how 'the world does not think as you do and nor should it' or something now, as if that wasn't stating the bleedin' obvious, or mattered a jot when it comes to bitching on msg boards about good and bad pop!

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

To back up my point, first couplet of Chewing Gum:

Hey Annie, well look at you
Is that a new boy stuck on your shoe

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem with "Radio" is the same as with most of Robbie's oeuvre, namely that he wants to be a lot more clever and knowing than he in fact is. The terrible oh-dear-you've-only-just-caught-on electro-flourishes certainly don't help. Neither does his insufferable smirk in the video.

You can't quantify good and bad gay-ness, it's intuitive.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

but when has Robbie 'sung' quite like THAT before?

because it is catchy and camp and good fun etcetera

well i'll read your article with interest and assume you've got a lot more to back your view up with than that, no offense dude (apart from the obvious 'your taste sucks you ixus-pwning tosspot' undercurrent of all my posts on this thread ;)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i think it's cod-camp btw

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Unfortunately neither Franz Ferdinand nor Robbie Williams are svelte blonde women, so it's easy to see why SteveM has difficulty comprehending them as pop, as he is unable to wank to, with or at them.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

not sure where you're getting that from given how i didn't dismiss FF's songs as not pop (i think they are), and i think Robbie has a few ok pop songs (Rock DJ, Supreme, Lazy Days). maybe i DO think girls and gay guys have some sort of edge when it comes to this sort of thing tho?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Why? Because they make you hard?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

sure why not, strikes me as a big part of good pop music's mandate by and large that

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, it was a serious question; those extraneous factors make the difference between dancing madly and the British Museum. I've been quite open on my blog about rating people like Shania Twain for similar reasons.

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder what the popper prop song of the year is?

― myke boomnoise (myke boomnoise), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

A pop singer has to have a good look regardless of whether it gets you hard or not - image is v important. Hence Britney, Missy and Girls Aloud qualify (even though I don't want to have sex with any of them); so does Justin (and I do want to have sex with him). FF and Robbie have really boring images, and are also a bit ugly.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I mean Serge Gainsbourg doesn't have anything on Stephen Gately, does he?

― Marcello Carlin, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe image IS intruding on my judgement of pop songs a little. twice i suggested i might like 'Radio' more if it were by other people, but if that were so the song would just BE that bit different, the superior singers i suggested would be able to do more with it based on their personalities and ability (but maybe they'd be trading too much on their equities/credentials/past glories? but then perhaps Robbie has been doing that most of his career too). but really i'm not convinced it's a particularly well-written song or well-produced track, if not just poor by certain standards.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"Chewing Gum" makes a little more sense when you see the video, where Annie is having a conversation with herself (the video is streaming on her site).

And you don't think these lyrics make fun of how disposable pop/pop stars are?

"Im gonna tell ya how its gonna get done
Im just a girl thats only chewing for fun
You spit it out when all the flavour has gone
Wrap it round your finger like your playing with gum"

Yet pop stars still have an overblown sense of importance and ego:

"oh no
oh no
you've got it all wrong
I think you think you're chocolate when you're chewing gum"

Etc.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure who 'youve got it all wrong' is directed at tho - it can't be levelled at many of the popstars now riding high in the charts because half the time it's Richard X at the desk anyway. it strikes me more as Annie defending all that (and herself) against the accuser (also her, or at least the supposed side that doubts the merit of fun pop for lack of substance)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"A pop singer has to have a good look regardless of whether it gets you hard or not - image is v important. Hence Britney, Missy and Girls Aloud qualify (even though I don't want to have sex with any of them); so does Justin (and I do want to have sex with him). FF and Robbie have really boring images, and are also a bit ugly."

Alex-Tim mindmeld again!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 14 October 2004 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ffs!

That Rachel Stevens song might actually be the best 'out and out proper POP' song of the year after all... and I hate it.

What a dreary year for this kind of thing it's been.

What did number did 'Chewing Gum' get to anyway? I did kinda like that, wished it was a little bit faster though. Not sure it really qualifies, but like it I did.

Sod it. If I had to choose already then The Streets - "Blinded by the Lights" has to be it.

Also the only single that's really made me want to actually bother getting the second album eventually (the other's were embarrasing/not half as touching as it could have been for all the schmaltziness).

― i lurk on ilm (i lurk on ilm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

dunno how you can say that Streets track would qualify but not the Annie one (which entered at #25), or how it's been a dreary year for this sort of thing? compared to which years?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps in comparison with years when this sort of thing wasn't dreary.

Missy Elliott is not good looking.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

WHICH years is the question - you must skip every other word when reading my posts

you might be in with a chance with Missy

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope I can't really justify it either!

Glad Annie did chart though it was obviously built for it & deserved to for being knowing but not cynically-knowing (imo) just cheekily so.

Compared to any previous year I can remember without drawing a total blank :O

Good job I don't give a flying f*** about the Top 40 really, but it is nice to have at least *one* daft tune everyone no matter how 'into' your music you are can smile about each year though. Maybe this years is being saved for christmas!

― i lurk on ilm (i lurk on ilm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

But she does have a 'strong' image / visual identity.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't call Some Girls an out-and-out Proper Pop song because that implies some sort of exaggerated glee that isn't present in Some Girls (which wants to be an indie-friendly Goldfrapp song at any rate).

I don't like this 'Chewing Gum as meta comment on disposible pop' reading. I'd much prefer it if it was about being a coquettish fickle little minx (which it is).

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Also CHEWING GUM NOT GOING TOP 10 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEING 'TOO REAL'OR 'TOO KNOWING' IT JUST WASN'T PROMOTED PROPERLY.

Ahem.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

this whole notion of 'proper pop' seems wrong-headed perhaps - judge the song not the artist (this might contradict something i said earlier)

i'd be very surprised if 'chewing gum' wasn't intended as some sort of meta comment on pop ala 'some girls'

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:26 (twenty-one years ago)

When's that new Dizzee Rascal one out? Would that count?

Bearing in mind I've not even heard it, but it sounds as if it could fit...

― i lurk on ilm (i lurk on ilm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr. i lurk on ilm you really should consider changing your name cos this is totally not lurking.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Who cares if "Chewing Gum"'s a meta-comment or not? What we get out of it as listeners is more important than what Dickie X put into it. The genius of Annie is that she transcends meta-cynicism, whereas Rachel SClub doesn't.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd rather be 69'ing with the stars of C4's Too Posh To Wash than stand a chance with ugly stuck gobstopper fucker Missy. Whatever her other merits.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I DID tell you WHICH years - the ONES where THIS sort OF thing WASN'T dreary. Surely you already know which ones I mean?

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

hehe ;)

p.s. no more questions for the day, sorry.

[i want/need an edit post feature badly. or some restraint.]

― i lurk on ilm (i lurk on ilm), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"edit post feature"? You don't know you're born! This is all civil and incisive! I direct you here - What very mildly kinky things do you do in bed?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:37 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf was wrong with me that night?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Im gonna tell ya how its gonna get done
Im just a girl thats only chewing for fun
You spit it out when all the flavour has gone
Wrap it round your finger like your playing with gum"

In the first couplet Annie has set-up the boys-as-chewing-gum metaphor, therefore we can only assume that from that point the song is an extended metaphor for boys as chewing gum (and chocolate)

"oh no
oh no
you've got it all wrong
I think you think you're chocolate when you're chewing gum"

Surely the lyric is actually "YOU think you're chocolate when YOUR chewing gum" which alternates with "YOU think you're chocolate but YOUR chewing gum" for variation.

Meaning that the boy in question thinks he's some top-quality-totty ready for a long time relationship with Annie (Chocolate), but she sees him as just a temporary distraction (Chewing Gum).

I like the idea of the meta-subject, but I just can't see any link apart from the tenuous bubblegum coincidence.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:25 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not really the lyrics

i wonder if annie's bad promotion isn't representative of some greater misunderstanding, or perhaps patronising.

― candour floss (mwah), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:35 (twenty-one years ago)

ok maybe you're right, but some association with the attitude/perception towards/of manupop still feels implied given the title and nature of the track

and surely it's YOU'RE not YOUR?

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

personally i do feel there's something self satisfied about chewing gum's singsong chorus, it just kinda sits there. like if someone thought the only good (*cough* intelligent) bit of 'the show' was the kitchen in my underwear line. i say tomato you say coquettish, though.

― candour floss (mwah), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

heartbeat reminds me of the buffy musical's last song, somehow

― candour floss (mwah), Thursday, 14 October 2004 10:47 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a good thing.

Can we remember that there are other Annie songs not called "Chewing Gum" thanks.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:31 (twenty-one years ago)

and surely it's YOU'RE not YOUR?

My bad. I don't know why I put that!

Anyway, I didn't mean to lablur the point, in the end it's pop. and it can mean whatever you want it to!

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

In other news, do Ace of Bass want another child or another lover?

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I prefer Heartbeat, Me Plus One and Anniemal to Chewing Gum at the moment. Although I really think she needs to get Rex The Dog or Mylo or someone in to do a big chunky electro-house version of Come Together, preferably with rave pianos. That would win.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 14 October 2004 11:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Just as long as she doesn't get Primal Scream to do a mix of Come Together in their inimitable "Come Together" style!

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Definitely Rex The Dog.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 14 October 2004 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)

My Happy Ending - Avril Lavigne

I'm just throwing that one out there, not that I'd vote it #1, I do slightly prefer "Heartbeats" and "Some Girls" though I still can't comprehend the love for "The Show" - must listen to it again, but the first few times didn't do anything for me.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 14 October 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

That Avril song is on my year-end top 10, Josh, absolutely.

― Begs2Differ (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 14 October 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Britney Spears - Toxic

― Alicia, Thursday, 14 October 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

JoJo - "Get Out"

The shame burns.

― Taxi Dancing in the Soft Prison (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Feel no shame, it's great.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 15 October 2004 06:55 (twenty-one years ago)

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