Is it hip to listen to unhip music? Was it always?

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god, i had the longest, drunkest, rambling post typed out, and then my browser crashed and you'll have to just pretend you read it. here's a summary.

so i like music that i've always felt was bad, uncool, too popular, whatever. today at the small, hip record store i walked up to the counter with my steve miller record (god, Fly Like an Eagle is such a GGGGGREAT record) and i was totally embarrassed so i said to the guy, "hey, is this Nurse With Wound you're playing?" so he wouldn't think i had bad taste in music (fuck you insecurites!).

i've seen posts like these on some of the threads about music i thought was kinda unliked: "Is this sound kind of trendy in Brooklyn right now" and "if you don't think the Dead are about to come back and be the biggest hipster namedrop in the very near future, you have not been paying enough attention!"

is it me rejecting what's hip (indie, emo, 80s, punk-funk, shit i don't even know what's hip anymore) and becoming hipper-than-the-hipper-than-thou? is it me growing up? is it me just realizing that all these preconcieved notions i've had about music are silly?

is Anthony Miccio really the hippest of all of us by being a fan of limp bizkit?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck the cool police. If you start listening too much to PFM on one hand or the faux populists on the other, you're screwed.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

'Fly Like an Eagle' is a fine record. In a way, I thought the most transcendent moment on all the 2 Many DJ's albums was when they tore into "Serenade."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

b-b-but i like prog and pop!! (xpost)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the ILM concept of hip is different than everyone else's, but that doesn't mean they're not equally contrived - sometimes ILM seems to anticipate what's hip to the wider world of trendy indies (lap-pop, electroclash, undie hip-hop) and reject it out of hand in favor of *possibly* ironic adulation for the un-hippest mainstream sounds. The amount of relativism inherent in this realization is positively mind-boggling, which is why I just try and concentrate on liking what I like rather than worry about whether I'm being a tool of ILM groupthink or the indie hivemind, or whether I'm consciously rejecting either.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

you worry too much.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it's why I'm awake right now, it really is.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it was the beer worrying. don't worry about my insecurities and talk about if it's hip to listen to unhip music.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

when i picked up my michael sembello record (the one with maniac on it) (it really is a terrific lp, btw), i'd just been at my mom's farm before record shopping so i had on the camo ballcap she'd given me (close enough to a trucker hat, is why i mention it)

while i was listening to something else at the listening station, the trucker-hatted guy working there who looked a lot like me, creepily, picked up the MS record, looked at the (amazing) cover, checked the tracklist, looked at me, looked at some of the other shit i had, then put it all down and didn't say anything. you could see the gears turning, what to think of me, what it meant, what to say. very very funny.

― g--ff (gcannon), Thursday, 21 October 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I just think it's kind of a funny inversion that people have to somehow 'discover' classic rock type stuff these days. I grew up in the late 70s /early 80s so it's always been pretty much all around me. And even when I was in my worst phase of digging indie stuff -- say 1990-1994, when I went to college and first starting working at a college station -- I never stopped liking stuff like Led Zep and the Steve Miller Band and whatever. As exciting as tons of independent stuff was, it just never sounded great when it was late at night and I had my drink on. I was just playing my 16 year old CD copy of Steve Miller Band's Greatest Hits '74-'78 2 Saturdays ago. It sounds great at 3 am, believe me. I was actually gonna revive that '1001 Great Psychedelic Tracks' thread and nominate "WYld Mountain Honey", but then I remembered that Scott had put a 1960s stipulation in the thread title. Oh well. Great song though. It's only on the CD version of Greatest Hits '74-'78, mind; what a silly record -- it's like 3/4 each of the Book of Dreams and Fly Like an Eagle lps, and then "The Joker" is tacked on for good measure. Silly. So yeah, JaXoN I say like what you like and go for what you know.

― Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 21 October 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Absofuckinglutely, it's hip. And there's nothing more fun than spreading the disease to others. It's certainly hipper than obscure one-upsmanship that fuels a lot of new music lust.

― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

please can people stop saying things like 'faux populists' and 'ironic adulation,' it really upsets me. i don't doubt that you really love the music you say you love, so please give the rest of us some credit, eh? thanks.

― pete b. (pete b.), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I'm hip. I'm no square.
I'm alert, I'm awake, I'm aware.
I am always on the scene.
Makin' the rounds, diggin' the sounds.
I read Playboy Magazine.
'Cuz I'm hip.

Like, dig! I'm in step.
When it was hip to be hep, I was hep.
I don't blow but I'm a fan.
Look at me swing. Ring a ding ding.
I even call my girlfriend "man,"
'cuz I'm hip.

Every Saturday night
with my suit buttoned tight and my suedes on
I'm gettin' my kicks
diggin' arty French flicks with my shades on.

I'm too much. I'm a gas.
I am anything but middle class.
When I hang around the band,
poppin' my thumbs, diggin' the drums,
sqaures don't seem to understand
why I flip. They're not hip like I'm hip.

I'm on top of every trend.
Look at me go. Vo-dee-o-do.
Sammy Davis knew my friend.

I'm hip, but not weird.
Like, you notice, I don't wear a beard.
Beards were in but now they're out.
They had they're day. Now they're passe.
Just ask me if you're in doubt,
'cuz I'm hip.

Now I'm deep into Zen
meditation and macrobiotics,
and as soon as I can
I intend to get into narcotics.

'Cuz I'm cool as a cuke.
I'm a cat, I'm a card, I'm a kook, kook, kook.
I get so much out of life.
Really, I do. Skoo ba dee boo.
One more time play "Mack the Knife."
Let 'er rip. I may flip, but I'm hip.

God love Dave Frishberg and Blossom Dearie!

― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

most of these examples assume the listener is actually hip. howabout if you aren't hip? is it still cool to listen to unhip music?

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's always been hip to listen to music with a disregard for hipness, rather than just listening to the opposite of what is hip. And, given that only a fraction of music is hip at any one time, if you listen to stuff you like you'll probably end up listening to mostly unhip stuff naturally.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:25 (twenty-one years ago)

"the negation of negation is the end of fun forever (until someone forgets)."

― cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:32 (twenty-one years ago)

hip moves through vicious cycles anyway. led zep were certainly hip when i was a teenager and have been hip since too. i'm sure some record company execs thought phil collins was hip at one point.

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i clearly remember when aussie post-punk was less hip than britpop.. how the tables turn

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:47 (twenty-one years ago)

after you've been listening for a while you get so tired of it you can't even remember if what you've liked is in this week or not.

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:48 (twenty-one years ago)

aussie post punk was NEVER less hip than britpop jimbob.

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:49 (twenty-one years ago)

record values don't often lie...

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:51 (twenty-one years ago)

hip isn't a measure of demand though? all sorts of unhip crap goes for high prices.

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:56 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry. all sorts of unhip things go for high prices. dunno where that crap bit came from.

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 08:58 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm.. i do have a reasoned answer but i'm a little to drunk to elucidate..

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i was kidding anyway. still: the hip value of kids in the kitchen is on the UP

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:02 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck microhouse

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

hahaha

"change in mood" should be changing lives

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:04 (twenty-one years ago)

song of the year!

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It was always hip, but there weren't so many hipsters around in the old days to appreciate its hipness.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

its hip to listen to both hip and unhip musics. just be sure to listen to the right (ie. hip) ones.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:13 (twenty-one years ago)

(alba i sent you some dates re tracks info to your old email addy if it still works cos i couldn't search the thread)

― bulbs (bulbs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 09:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, maybe I'm going to sound like the Mr. Rogers of hip, but I think the hippest thing is to just be open to all kinds of music and check out as much as you can, and then like what you like.

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

if any one of you who claim to answer the question in the affirmative walked into my apartment while i was listening to my copy of Cracked Rear View, i'm reasonably certain you'd think just about anything but "gee, he's so hip."

― frankE (frankE), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

just think it's kind of a funny inversion that people have to somehow 'discover' classic rock type stuff these days.

classic rock has always been all around me too. that and hip hop were pretty much the only things i listened to in highschool (90-94), but during college when i discovered indie, i put all that stuff in my past (well not the hip hop). so it's not like i'm discovering it now, but this is the first time in my life where i'm letting down my gaurd and listening to things i like rather than things i think i should like

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I listened to classic rock through high school too, and never thought much of it being hip or not since I went to a mostly black school where almost no one knew classic rock.

But in college I had a funny conversation with this indie noise geek who ran the radio station and was explaining to me how he only just now was starting to like Led Zeppelin (we were college juniors or seniors). At his high school, the annoying jocks all listened to classic rock, so it was kind of a loaded thing for him.

I can see how associations like this matter when one is in high school, but I think by the time you're in college or your 20s you grow out of them.

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's never cool to wear sunglasses after dark, unless you ARE wearing sunglasses after dark, in which case it is never cool to take them off."

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

throw out that nurse with wound and pop in some danni minogue!! I....begin to wonder.

― cs appleby (cs appleby), Thursday, 21 October 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

WWVOGD?

(what would violent onsen geisha do?)

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

music that was considered hip at one point always retains the potential to be considered hip again, even if currently out of vogue. I mean, the Dead were certainly a hip band to be into in 1966, right? there is no reason they can't be again (although 30 years of annoying adulation is hard to overcome. but I do think that's starting to happen). Bizarro prog shit was hip, or at least marginal, or underground, in 1971. There is something unique and outsider about it despite the bloated later excesses of ELP that tainted the genre for another two decades. Celine Dion, however, was never, at any point, ever considered hip. I do not see a time when it will be hip to be rocking out to her.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Celine Dion is just soft pop for grown-ups. Kinda how all that lounge stuff that was hip 10 years ago had been the same for grown ups in the 50s and 60s. She could easily come back - in fact, her potential for kitsch revival is greater than most.

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

...and to this thread, the short answer is that no, it's not hip to listen to unhip music UNLESS you are hipper than the people who would judge you. And the bad part is "hip" is always determined by other people; you can't annoint yourself hip and expect people to go along with it. Unless you're really persuasive. And probably hot.

I will say that worrying or not whether something is hip or not is marginally interesting, at least in journalistic/sociological terms.

Musically and personally, I could care less.

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i just dowloaded a Jackson Browne album. wouldn't he be just what a dave matthews is today? so, is there going to be a critical reevaluation of his music somewhere down the line?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Celine's already doing Vegas, so she's halfway to hip as it is!

I don't know.. I was thinking of this interview I read with that "Donna Summer" guy, Jason Forrest -- I guess he chops up samples of popular music or something? I've never heard a note of his music -- and he was going on about how he was amazed to discover recently that he liked Van Halen, and that in the past he'd always made fun of that stuff and assumed it was really stupid or whatever. Nice that he likes it now, but it's like, what rock were you living under dude? I don't think that guy is very hip at all.

(I read that interview in the Wire, btw, but don't worry -- I don't regularly read the Wire, I'm not that hip!! I haven't bought an issue since the Haino cover two years ago!)

― Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

see dude, you're hipper than all the hip wire readers!

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Two benefits of not caring about whether or not the music you like is considered hip are (1) you can listen to whatever you actually like without worrying about what others think of it and (2) you can declare any currently hip music you don't like to be shit well in advance of others. Do this with enough conviction and you will be able to keep those who worry about the hipness quotient of their music second guessing themselves.

Failing that, declare yourself a rabid Fall / Sun Ra / Japanese Noisecore fan and listen to that to the exclusion of all other music.

― Graeme (Graeme), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Jackson Browne [...] wouldn't he be just what a dave matthews is today

uh...how so?

― frankE (frankE), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Hip people want to stay ahead of the curve but not too far ahead, cool people don't think about it. If you're hip you care about what others think. If you're cool you don't.

I just made that up.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost - just a sensitive singer songwriter. i know i asked for it, and i'm sure i'm gonna get all sorts of "he was way darker than that" and "he wrote songs for and dated nico" and stuff like that.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

not too many rock n roll barnacles to scare off "normal guy" identification.

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

haha personally if I want to conjure up Nico connotations I'll toss on my Alain Delon t-shirt

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

hahahahaha

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

you're all corny and even if you deny it you like indie

― p$, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I could never get into Jackson Browne. I've tried but I just don't like him. The other day the classic rock station was playing "The Load-Out" and it just seemed interminable, and then it goes into that awful cover of "Stay" and I just had to turn it off.

― Roy Williams Highlight (diamond), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

to all the people who have posted that they don't care what others think of them, i really don't belive it.

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

if you don't care what others think you're probably a sociopath!

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

welllllll......

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

latebloomer do you like The Magnificent Penis Rangers?

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My wife is telling me that I'm a sociopath

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe? the answer to this question has a good deal to do with ones year of birth. for me at least. 1974 (my year of birth) seems to be like some sort of cut off date. i grew up on classic rock and indy/'hip' shit college radio. my old mix tapes are so much fun, you knoqw it goes from jethro tull to wire to ledzep to whoever, but peers just a year or two younger than me, seem to have to 'discover' steve millar, etc, (bummer for them, but maybe not, isnt discovering bands/ new genre half the fun?) and peers a few years older than me tend to hate anything post nirvana, or at the very least they just write it all off as wanky college shit

my best friend was trying to tell me the other night, how "bands like the rapture and mogwaii" are just ripping off/paying tribute to the cure. pissed me off, because, a. he hasnt heard much of the cure or any rapture, just the new mogwai single (it must be on alternative radio). he also talks about how when he was heavy into metal/rock he hated punk, but since then he enjoys punk. i feel bad for him cause why the hell limit yourself to one genre. so much music, so little time. i dont consider myself hip or unhip. shizo maybe, but never (un)hip. ive got scads of odd records. just weird stuff, but i dont use it as some sort of hipster badge. this isnt much of an answer i am afraid

― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

latebloomer do you like The Magnificent Penis Rangers?
-- Riot Gear! (drink_to_remembe...), October 21st, 2004.

No, I'm more into the Unspoiled Maidens. The Penis Rangers were okay when they started, but after that...pfft. The Alabaster Swans, however, are a GREAT band, but I'm just waiting for them to sell out any minute now.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

to all the people who have posted that they don't care what others think of them, i really don't belive it

But re: "others", I wonder if hipness comes down to trying to evaluate what a group of people think as opposed to what individuals think. ie, wondering whether a group of people will find my fetish for sunshine pop cool or not versus wondering whether my friend (or arch-nemesis) will. In the first case, "social norm" is at stake; in the second, only personal relationship is. And naturally, I just tend to focus a lot more on the second kind of relationship. I'm not even saying one is inherently more valid or whatever than the other - just different implications/consequences/advantages/bla bla bla.

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

hipness seems to be about fitting into a nebulously defined group of people that really only exists in commercials and magazine ads.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

How does the collective ILM feel about these new CDs I bought?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

i think hip (a number of people like something) is getting mixed up with hipster (cool, scenestery)

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

what sort of numbers?

― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

who cares if celine is hip if she's so good sometimes?:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0221/kogan.php

― chuck, Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

didn't huey lewis cover this thread in 1987?

― kephm (kephm), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

well if someone at the VV says she's good...

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

You know what REALLY sucks? When you go out of your way to buy something universally loathed by hipsters, just 'cause you're sick of universal hipsterism; and so you buy something totally un-cool just to prove how cool you are, and then, to your dismay, discovering that the reason it's considered uncool is that it TRULY DOES SUCK! (Actually happened to me a year ago, when I paid $4 for the first Spice Girls CD, which I'd honestly never heard, apart from "Wannabe" a coupla times. Doesn't "suck" exactly, but it's still mostly pretty unmemorable. No Bananarama, that's for sure.)

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

some late madonna's not half bad, but I know what you mean.

― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"You know what REALLY sucks? When you go out of your way to buy something universally loathed by hipsters, just 'cause you're sick of universal hipsterism; and so you buy something totally un-cool just to prove how cool you are, and then, to your dismay, discovering that the reason it's considered uncool is that it TRULY DOES SUCK!"

OTM

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, that's why people should never pay more than two dollars for albums or six dollars for CDs (and usually less). Way less at stake that way. You should never assume you'll like EVERYTHING you buy. (I just buy what looks like it might be good; I'm really shocked that anybody would buy something for either its hip or non-hip quotient.) (Though that new John Leland book -- which actually seems to be kinda good, in some ways -- does stir kneejerk reactions in me, I admit.)

STILL...I remember being embarrassed to go up to the counter and buy a 12-inch of "Rapper's Delight" as a birthday present for a friend in 1979, since it wasn't new wave enough, and I was afraid the guy at the counter would think I was a fan of bubblegum disco novelty songs!

― chuck, Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

You should get the 2nd Spice Girls CD, it's strong. (x-post)

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I think someone put it well on another thread when they said after you've been obsessing with music for long enough, you get bored and standards for edginess or coolness fade away completely and you are able to discover whats great in all music. It's a zen moment of total clarity and when you reach it, it's amazing. Monks strive for years to get to this point, and after years of writing scripture and punching into red hot coals they are finally able and ready and they totally rock out to Rich Girl by Hall and Oates with no irony because it's a fucking sweet song.

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

to all the people who have posted that they don't care what others think of them, i really don't belive it

it's not that i don't care (maaaaaan) (i.e. it's not that i had to pass a certain milestone so i could Stop Caring and be all zen and shit), it's that i don't tend to factor other people into my listening/buying/downloading choices. i just wanna hear stuff. i wanna know what's out there so i can decide whether i like it or not.

― paranoia is the hipster's disease (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf is "unhip" music anyway? isn't everything hip now?

― paranoia is the hipster's disease (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I'm hip or unhip, I'm just a snob.

― adam. (nordicskilla), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

you're always ahead of some curve or another...

― paranoia is the hipster's disease (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

David, you put it perfectly. that's how i've been feeling lately, and it's taken a moment to get used to

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf is "unhip" music anyway? isn't everything hip now?

and i think this is also partially the reason for the initial question

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

but the question makes it sound like everyone enjoys "unhip" music ironically.

― paranoia is the hipster's disease (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

actually if someone bothers to own something and enjoy it, I assume they love it unabashedly. Rock tees, another story. I get suspicious when I see Von Dutch kids wearing Blue Oyster Cult shirts, for example.

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

"but the question makes it sound like everyone enjoys "unhip" music ironically."

You do meet the occasional person who actually does this. Little in the world I find more annoying. Of course, there can be some irony in the enjoyment of a certain song or band, but I think it should be at least 70/30 genuine pleasure/irony.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 22 October 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

seven months pass...

He told me to take off my leather jacket already, he said it was summer.

"Seasons are for assholes," I told him.

― Jimmy_tango, Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

Hear, hear.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

Fuck hipness. Do what's natural.

― Ian Riese-Moraine: exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Sunday, 19 June 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

Hipness is just about fitting into a particular clique. I'm not interested in doing that, and you shouldn't be either.

Trust your ears.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 19 June 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)

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