It doesn't get better than this shit: Ladies and Gentlemen, The Romantic Composers

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People I'm talking about THE ROMANTIC COMPOSERS.

Okay I get it: Most people here like the hardcore stuff,
the guys who write stuff that sounds like it was commissioned by Resonance FM.
That's cool.

But I want to know if there's any love for these guys:


Schumann
Mendelssohn
Wagner bastard Wagner
Dvorak
Chopin
Donizetti
Liszt
Bruckner
Tchaikovsky
Verdi
Brahms
Puccini


THE ROMANTIC COMPOSERS.

GO.


Frogman Henry, Friday, 19 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Berlioz and Mahler have their own threads. R.Strauss is too modern.
Forget him, man.

But Brahms. Listening to his first piano concerto prompted this thread. I don't really agree with the sentiment in the title to be honest. I haven't listened to as much of thoe peoplke's work as I should have, it's mostly BEFORE and AFTER.
These guys get a bad rap these days.


Frogman Henry, Friday, 19 November 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Tchaikovsky is my favorite composer in the history of ever. (Although my favorite composition is Mozart's Symphony No. 40.) "Waltz of the Flowers," from the Nutcracker Suite, is all by itself enough to lift my spirit in a way that no other piece of music possibly can.

Phil Dennison (Phil D.), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Liszt, obv.

Remy (x Jeremy), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Chopin's preludes a lot.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm rockist about Tchaikovsky. If his symphonies were by Dvorak I'd probably like them more.

Frogman Henry, Friday, 19 November 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I usually don't like the Romantic composers, but I do like some Tchaikovsky, and I started this thread: I just realized that the "Nutcracker Suite" is the greatest thing ever.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, as I've said elsewhere, Chopin's piano works are maybe the most depressing pieces of music I've heard. I don't like Chopin.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Schu-BERT? He's my man.

I like Chopin, some Wagner, the Brahms Violin Concerto, Schumann. I could take or leave Liszt, Verdi, Mendelssohn.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 November 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

The Brahms Clarinet Quintet in B Minor is one of my favorite pieces of music ever. The symphonies are all also great.

The Schubert songs. And he's really like a song writer in such a contemporary, almost tin pan alley kind of way, too. Even in the longer pieces. Also, The Trout Quintet, supposedly super-lightweight, but always a good time.

Tchaikovsky. The Operas. The Ballets. "The Serenade for Strings," another unfairly slagged off piece, I think, just because it's so unabashed.

Wagner, you can't deny. Although I don't find myself listening to it in day to day life. It's not really that kind of music I guess.

I never used to like Bruckner, but now maybe I think I do. It's often like a lot of big static hunks of sound, transposed over again often with an almost weird lack of development. Reductionist, but it's like a kind of metal or something. On some level, Isis is thoroughly Brucknerian.

I'll climb out of my own ass now.

pm, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Schubert vs. DJ Q-Bert

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post to Hurting
I deliberately excluded Schubert. I put him in the newly named (par moi) Beethoven/Schubert period (1795-1828). Too romantic to be classical, toO classical to be romantic (goes for both of them, I suppose).

But, hell yeah, he's my man too. The composers who follow steal
from them (harmonic daring + melodic beauty from Franz, power/bombast and rhythmic thrust from Ludwig).
None of them measures up to them IMO.

You could say Chopin was the most original (though the late Beethoven piano sonatas are a massive influence on him).
Also Mendelssohn's stuff (particularly the early stuff like the octet and the string pieces) are better than everyione thinks.
I'd say he was a Schubert (and Mozart) disciple.

Wagner is probably the most successful of all the copyists
in that he synthesises all his influences, mixes them in a big broth so it only sounds like him, and achieves some kind of grotesque perfection. Which reminds me my Pot Noodle's ready.

Brahms, Verdi and Chopin are probably my picks from the list.

Frogman Henry, Friday, 19 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Schumann's Symphony No.4 is one of my faves, particularly the semi-spastic first movement.

In general, I'm not a big fan of concertos, but Mendelssohn's violin concertos are the finest of their kind (that I have heard).

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I tend to like the temporal "bread" that sandwiches the romantic era more than the romantics -- on one end you have late classical/early romantic (i.e Beethoven), and on the other end you have late romantic/early modern (i.e. Prokoviev, Shostakovitch, Mahler, Stravinsky, etc.)

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

where's the love for rachmaninoff? i know that he's a century too late, but he was very much a romantic composer.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Bruckner = Beethoven + Wagner - the jokes

Frogman Henry, Friday, 19 November 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh, Rachmaninoff is only famous because of that movie.

(I kid)

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 November 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

The punchline being that it's about five movies

Frogman Henry, Friday, 19 November 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I meant Shine.

Ever hear the Charles Mingus recording of All The Things You Are where they use a Rach prelude as an intro? Pretty cool.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 19 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Schumann's "Childhood Scenes" and lots of other stuff. I like Mahler, but he's post-Romantic.

amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Mingus liked Mahler too.

amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh, Rachmaninoff is only famous because of that movie.
One being The Seven Year Itch , no? It figures into Tom Ewell's comic seduction technique.

Didn't Eric Carmen borrow some of that stuff for All By Myself as well? My upstairs neighbor was playing it the other day.

Is this the thread where I can ask is anybody old enough to remember the old TV commercial where the guy sells the TV-only-offer classical music compilation and he says "but did you also know that many of today's popular melodies were actually written by the great masters"? If it's not, feel free to ignore me.

Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 19 November 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ever since I got sussed about Schumman's biography it has completely changed how I hear his music. I just keep picturing him in that asylum, at first only speaking to Clara, and then finally refusing to speak to anyone at all. The suicide attempts, all that misery. Now I have this phony feeling of "hearing it in the music". Which I am able to largely avoid when listening to the music of other musical suicides (Drake, Curtis, etc.). But I almost wish I didn't know, except that I do love his music. But I hear it differently now that I know.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Friday, 19 November 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

SAINT-SAENS

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 19 November 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

dvorak was cinematic before there was cinema. "new world" symphony (#9) , people.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 19 November 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Schumann wrote better songs and Verdi wrote better choruses (and after listening to Radio 3's 'composer of the week' this week I reckon I might even come round to Wagner eventually) but fuck me - Mendelssohn's got melodies that still totally slay me. That overture to 'A Midsummer Nights Dream'!! All killer no filler!!

Neil Kulkarni, Friday, 19 November 2004 11:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't consider 20th century/modern/post-war classical music to be 'hardcore' - in fact, its quite well tuned to certain developments in jazz, rock and certain strains of dance music. I'm not too sure as how the romantic composers get a 'bad rap'; it depends who you talk to but I'd say a lot of this is well performed and recordings keep coming out.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I am listening to New World Symphony in honour of this thread! I like it a lot, although I know nothing about this shit.

Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 19 November 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, as I've said elsewhere, Chopin's piano works are maybe the most depressing pieces of music I've heard. I don't like Chopin.

:-(

(weeps)

Ben Dot (1977), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's just bizarre. 1st Concerto depressing? The mazurkas?? I don't see it... Maaaybe the nocturnes, but that's a stretch, I love 'em to death myself.

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 19 November 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Search :

Chopin - Preludes, Waltzes, Nocturnes, Polonaises - I esp. recommend the Arthur Rubinstein recordings - I have to admit there is often a sorrowful streak, but that is part of what makes it so great for me

Mahler - Symphonies 2 & 3, Das Lied Von Der Erde, probably a bunch of other stuff I haven't heard - takes tonality about as far as it could go

o. nate (onate), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Eric Carmen borrow some of that stuff for All By Myself as well?

Yes — and for the melody of "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again" as well, I believe. Not recalling which pieces, though...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 19 November 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Rachmaninoff's Second Concerto is the one Carmen borrowed for "All By Myself." Posted this in an earlier thread:

From AMG: Between January and April of 1900, Sergey Vassilyevich saw Dr. Dahl, a Moscow specialist in "neuropsychotherapy," daily, and was urged under hypnosis to compose the new piano concerto that a London impresario was asking for. Trance-therapy roused the composer from his lethargy; indeed, he worked with great facility on an excellent new concerto — the Second, in C minor, Op. 18 — dedicated to Dr. Dahl in gratitude.

briania (briania), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Suicide, madness, eros, ego, religion, rage, emotional & intellectual froth -- what's not to love about the Romantics?

briania (briania), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the story about Schumann rigging up some contraption to lift his ring finger so as to give him more deterxity — it ended up crippling his hand. Great guy, Bob...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 19 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

bob schumann was also an interesting music critic. wrote some interesting things on schubert.

amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)


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