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There's a separate thread over on ILE:

My Xmas gift to you all -- the Dave Q fan page

...but for those who don't read it, come share the love:

http://kuci.org/~nraggett/daveq/

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 December 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

f'n beautiful!!

― chaki in charge (chaki), Thursday, 23 December 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

That has got to be the strangest thing I have ever seen.

― Metal Braces, Thursday, 23 December 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

man this is sad. jesus.

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay sad!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 December 2004 15:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"Was this the same Trevor Horn who didn’t produce Judas Priest’s Turbo (1986)?"

HA HA HA

― 57 7th (calstars), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

David, you mis-spelled "rad"

And I agree with you. This is totally rad. To the max!

M.B., a web page celebrating someone's writing is the strangest thing you have ever seen? You should try watching T.V. There is some really strange shit on there.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

the ilxor.com greatest hits page is a treasure.

you may want to consider linking to TS: Joy Division vs. Flipper. also, dave's post on why is Lydon considered more authentic than Joe Strummer probably deserves to be quoted in it's entirety.

excellent work.

― dan (dan), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, and yeah, I was just thinking about that Joy Division/Flipper thread today! It will definitely go in for an update.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 23 December 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

A new one for the archives. Q on Lohan:

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0503/050119_music_lohan.php

The last paragraph is, as usual, brilliant.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=1384

I've only just read that Muse review, it's kind of funny but the pages of bile from teenage Muse fans following it is fantastic.

― Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking hell, I hadn't checked that in ages. Those are absolute gold.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

and just a thought: surely, if you know so much about what goes into making something truly important, experimental or just plainly melodic, why the hell aren't you in a well respected indie band?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Their shows are sold out in one day. You do the math." !

― danh (danh), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, beautiful. Thanks for the tips, I've got a slew of new pieces to add to the page and will hopefully do so here in a couple of days. Yay!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, why the hell aren't you in a well respected indie band?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Hrm? Should I be? Although there is a collaboration I need to post a link to, now that you mention it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 January 2005 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Absolutely Ace, A demolition job on Muse and know nothing silly teenagers whining about the [pseudo] importance of their bloated heroes!

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the ones that are trying to be all smug and academic, like they're rejecting his submission to a journal and patronisingly telling him why. 'Where to start...the reviewer has clearly failed to grasp that the idea in a record review is to talk about what the guitars sound like...'

― Ferg, Ah (Ferg), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, people's responses to Dave Q. are about half of the enjoyment of reading him. It's always fun to visualize people's faces exploding when they read his reviews. That Muse thing is obviously a scathing review, but it's also funny how often people mistake his positive reviews for slams.

― Scott CE (Scott CE), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:20 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/feature.php?ID=1435

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Queen is occasionally amusing, but I think that he's deeply overrated by the lot of you. He's not particularly thoughtful/insightful, and his language isn't very graceful. I'll read a few more of these links, though. Maybe I'll change my mind.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

He's not particularly thoughtful/insightful, and his language isn't very graceful.

I can understand criticism and all...but you're sure about this? I'm actually quite intrigued by this take, so if you could pull up some examples of what you mean....

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to mention something about Steven Wells but the desire to sleep is greater.

― elwisty, Thursday, 20 January 2005 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: He's not particularly thoughtful/insightful, and his language isn't very graceful.

But how often do you get to read criticism with any legitimate sense of humor? That's by far the best part of reading this stuff.

― danh (danh), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of Dave's stuff reminds me of some of my stuff, which is the HIGHEST COMPLIMENT I COULD EVER GIVE SOMEONE!!!! You can't fake the funk. Oh no, you can't!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 20 January 2005 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i bow to the alter of dq.

― youngn (ndeyoung), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

this is just a great review

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/review.php?ID=1530

― toothy philanthropist, Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that is a great one.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

is he single? ;)

― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 20 January 2005 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, I can think of a LOT of critics who I think are way funnier than Queen. I'm not saying that Queen isn't funny, just that his writing seems forced, long-winded and indulgent. It seems purposefully inaccessable too, like it's written primarily to be read by friends and other like-minded critics. Frankly, I think that his writing is very pretentious.

Seward, you're a much better writer!

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Frankly, I think that his writing is very pretentious

M'friend, we're both fans of one Mr. B. Corgan, who has been tarred with the 'pretentious' tag from day one, after all -- I realize this is a different medium, but still, that word's a bit of a loaded one. And purposefully inaccessable I don't see, simply because to my mind he draws on a continuum of knowledge that's just *there* -- it's not that they're all secrets or meant to be.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know, Ned. His prose seems overly dense and plodding to me, and occasionally seems to run off the tracks entirely. Maybe it's not pretension so much (which isn't always a bad thing, I think we agree on that), but rather ostentatiousness. I find his writing just very off-putting and smarmy. I want to say that he's like the UK equivalent of Chuck Klosterman, but that guy is a lot funnier and has a much more fluid style of prose.

I'm a big fan of brevity, clarity, and economy of language. I don't think that these are Queen's strong points.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I love Billy Corgan, but I think that it's totally accurate to label him as being pretentious!

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

He's like the Fiery Furnaces of rock writing!

― danh (danh), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

As long as we're mixing media here.

― danh (danh), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

most music writing (including, usually my own) = "I could do that"
Dave Q's music writing = "fuck me, I could never do that"
therefore, he is necessary, even if he's just a palate-cleaner or a lightning rod for criticism.

for the record, he's not a palate-cleaner for me, I love that shit

― Haibun (Begs2Differ), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I want to say that he's like the UK equivalent of Chuck Klosterman, but that guy is a lot funnier and has a much more fluid style of prose.

Well, first off Dave Q is Canadian. ;-)

Second, we're going to have to violently agree to disagree here, in that whatever gifts he showed with Fargo Rock City -- and they're there -- Klosterman has turned into a celebrator of massculture hoohah in a distinctly non-revelatory 'x = x' way -- whereas Dave makes me *think* every time I read him. The connections and digressions are anything but secondary in his writing and that's the point -- he constantly offers up a chance to see things in a different light. Klosterman at this point feels like the kind of guy who should be the lead panelist on I Love the 90s (or whatever).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, I love Billy Corgan, but I think that it's totally accurate to label him as being pretentious!

So why use it as a pejorative? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, sometimes pretentiousness yields good work, and sometimes it doesn't. I'm using the word in a matter-of-fact sort of way, not necessarily meant as a perjorative.

Klosterman can be so great sometimes (as in certain chapters of Fargo Rock City), but more often than not, he's lazy or just fucking around these days. He phones it in a lot. I suspect that it's mostly because he's just trying to make the cash and isn't the obsessive quality-control type.

I thought that Queen was a Brit living in Canada. His voice seems so British to me.

It's also very possible that I don't respond to a lot of Queen's writing because it is often about stuff I don't give a fuck about. But it's mostly the prose style. I just don't like that voice.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that Queen was a Brit living in Canada. His voice seems so British to me.

The reverse, a Canadian who was living in the UK but is now back in Canada. As for his voice, interpretation is all but to my mind he's got a ramalama approach down that couldn't be anything but (North) American.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that I just half-remembered the UK thing, and was also lumping in him with some other UK-based critics with similar flaws that I think are equally overrated here.

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I say flaws; you might understandably call them "quirks."

― Matthew "Flux" Perpetua, Thursday, 20 January 2005 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone read B. Corgan's book o'poems? he's apparently working on his first novel.

― Beta (abeta), Thursday, 20 January 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say, I'm not very taken with Queen's writing either. Sometimes I wish James Blount wrote more criticism.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 20 January 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(Which I only mention because there's a certain dense, manic quality to Blount's posts on ILX that is similar to Queen, maybe, but which I respond to a hell of a lot more: maybe because I get the references, I dunno.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 20 January 2005 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Dave Queen is the only writer who makes my head feel like it's about to explode.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Q's writing a lot, but I'm also surprised it gets published. What must the "average reader" think, without preface or context?? Do they even give it a chance?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 January 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, various updates now finally made, including a random rediscovery of this little responded to thread:

Metallica "One" vs Kraftwerk "The Robots"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 31 January 2005 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Just published one of Queen's pieces in my mag - something about how to buy porn in rural British Columbia. If it's ok w DQ, you want it Neddy-poo?

― LeCoq (LeCoq), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, that's right -- didn't you send me a link for that? Repost it here if you like!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 1 February 2005 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

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