TS: Dave Gahan vs. Simon Le Bon

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An extension of the Depeche Mode v Duran Duran thread, if you will -- this is the Battle of the Lead Singers!

On one corner, the moody crooning of Essex's very own rehabilitated former juvenile delinquent with a penchant for wearing leather trousers.

On the other, the high-reaching warbling of Pinner's very own former choir boy, descended from French Huguenots {sp?} with a penchant for, um, being free with the lovin', if you know what I mean.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh come on, Dee, not even close! I mean... the chin, the chin, I mean utter lack of chin, versus the PREMIER POET OF OUR GENERATION?!?!?

Your head is full of chopstick and I don't like it!

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

very tough - they've both looked like complete nobs in many of their videos. Gahan probably has the better voice though, and has been more prolific, and more dead - so i vote he.

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

LeBon has a much more expressive voice. Gahan is nothing if not given to histrionics in place of emotion.

Masonic Boom-Boom (kate), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

double xpost err which one's which?

Oh blummin.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

My own answer? As much of a fan as I am of the latter's band, I would have to go with the former. Why? Because while Dave Gahan has had a longtime reputation for being fantastic to the fans, Simon Le Bon can vary from day to day, with 65% of the fan encounters taking place while he's a smackable asswipe and the other 35% taking place while he's being a real charmer.

Message to Simon: Get over yourself. You are not a teen idol anymore, no matter what your deluded fans make you think.

Message to Dave: Please stay clean and as fantastic as you were when a friend of mine met you in Toronto.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate, Simon's not exactly been a wordsmith lately, you realize. He's been suffering from an acute case of writer's block since the Medazzaland sessions, and I'm fairly certain about half the lyrics written for the Astronaut album were penned by Nick and/or John. (Nick and Warren did the bulk of the lyrics for 'dazza and Pop Trash.)

Though Simon's voice has improved drastically since the Rio days. Unless he's "rusty", as he was when I saw the band back in January 2003.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm not sure how you qualify Le Bon emotion vs Gahan histrionics...i've never been able to figure it out exactly what it is that makes Le Bon sound like he does. He might actually have a better range than Gahan but his voice tends to be a little lost in that weird self-harmonious wash that features on the best Duran songs. imagine Gahan singing 'Come Undone' and the verses would probably have a bit more power, tho he'd probably come unstuck on the chorus.

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:29 (twenty-one years ago)

basically one of them can do things the other can't and vice versa, so you can't base it on just one thing. i can't believe i tried to do 'The Reflex' at karaoke once - it's easy until you get to the bloogy bridge, then it's either lapse into safety comedy loung singer mode or OESAPHAGUS DOOM

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:33 (twenty-one years ago)

that is surely not how you spell esophagus

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Kate: Nice usage of a 7&TRT album track lyric. :)

Stevem: You do bring up some interesting points. I guess, disconnected from everything but the music, Simon's versatility and Dave's delicate fluttering would make this a tie race. However, I've got too much of a back history to not incorporate all those little side things that one might consider inconsequential into my discussion.

Point to ponder, BTW -- Simon and (Sir) Elton John attended the same primary school, twelve years apart. This is something they must've discussed while DD visited the set of his "I'm Still Standing" video, which was directed by the force behind DD's most famous videos (and a good friend of the band's), Russell Mulcahy.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:38 (twenty-one years ago)

ha i just wish my view was affected by having met them ;)

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:39 (twenty-one years ago)

dave gahan: from cricket outfit wearing geek to a leather clad junkie.

simon le bon: he has a porn name and is a narcistic twat.

i prefer dave.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:43 (twenty-one years ago)

(xposts: I don't know why I brought that up, except to maybe show an example of how someone else who was brought up in similar environs sounds like vocally.)

Also, Simon was a church choir boy (and a child actor) and his first recording was done when he was just 12 years old. It's not too hard, really, to find an MP3 copy of him singing "Feelin' Groovy" when he was about that age, you know. (I guess that's also to help possibly explain how he could get to sounding the way he does.)

(Either I'm going to regret this thread in the "morning" or I'm going to LOVE that I started it. Funny thing, what insomnia can do!)

(I know what you're getting at there, BTW. *laugh*)

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(And there goes stevie with a slightly less diplomatic variation of some of my own thoughts on the subject!) (Okay, I think it's bedtime for me.)

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Friday, 14 January 2005 10:45 (twenty-one years ago)

> he has a porn name and is a narcistic twat.

I bet he knows how to spell "narcissistic", though.

Palomino (Palomino), Friday, 14 January 2005 13:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Simon is a better singer but I like Dave more because he has my vocal range and therefore is inspiring to all of us who feel like our voices are too low to be pop stars.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 January 2005 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet he knows how to spell "narcissistic", though.

Doesn't make up for the fact he's a twat.

English is my 349829th language.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

The 349828th is Belgian High Gothic (North Brussels dialect).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan OTM. Gahan is very good at being expressive with his voice in order to make up for vocal deficiencies -- "Condemnation" is a great example of this.

Simon could probably sing the entire DM catalogue quite capably without breaking a sweat. Gahan would have no chance with "The Reflex", "Hungry Like The Wolf", "Rio", "Wild Boys" ...

Duran Duran songs on which Gahan would sound amazing: "All She Wants Is", "Union of the Snake", "Ordinary World" (if you think about it, it's very similar to "Condemnation").

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 14 January 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm thinking about that.

i'm thinking abou that really hard.

similar? well, in that it's a song, yes ...

;)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 14 January 2005 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

LeBon....he's never had a smack problem and has a better looking wife.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 January 2005 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

barry otm, add 'come to undone' to the Gahan amazing list. tho i don't like 'Condemnation' and the thought of Le Bon singing it is actually terrifying me ever more.

Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 18:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't buy this "Dave Gahan and his vocal histrionics" line, btw; the big constant about Gahan's delivery is that it's muted and understated (the only exceptions I can think of are "I Feel You" and "Condemnation"; the majority of DM song, especially mid-era DM, make me wonder how histrionic can one get singing one note?).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 January 2005 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

similar? well, in that it's a song, yes ...
Downtrodden, slow tempos, high register wailing during the choruses, similar vocal range, vocal pacing and rhythm ...

The melodies aren't the same, rather, the similarities to my ears are mainly in the singing.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Friday, 14 January 2005 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

What's wrong with histrionic--especially in reference to either band?

lebon's higher range hits these weird dog frequencies and is really, really thing, the very picture of a guy crushing his nuts for a high A.

Dave has developed a comely richness in his tone, his technique sometimes verges on the Mel Torme-y, and he's been shaving more lately.

iang, Friday, 14 January 2005 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't buy this "Dave Gahan and his vocal histrionics" line

It's far more accurate to say 'Dave Gahan and his on-stage histrionics.'

"GOOD EVENING PASADENA! AWRIGHT, YEAH!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 14 January 2005 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

What's wrong with histrionic--especially in reference to either band?

It's an incorrect characterization of the vocals. There's nothing inherently wrong with histrionic vocals.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Neither are exactly hugely gifted vocalists, but I'd suggest that Gahan has the stronger voice (though perhaps not a lot of range). I'd say LeBon is a cooler guy (for whatever that's worth), and Gahan's trials and tribulations in the junkie department just got so dull after a while.

They're not so much vocalists as frontmen, no? They seem more about charisma than anything else.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'VE GONE ITALICS CRAZEEEEE!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

It's far more accurate to say 'Dave Gahan and his on-stage histrionics.'

All the drugs made him think he was in the Doors. I can still remember the first time I saw him in his leather pants touching him *there*. I of course HAD to buy the album the same week. That's what I liked about Dave: he was a little dorky guy who wanted to be rock so much, but you always knew it was just an act.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Kinda off-topic, but I was reminded of seeing Flock of Seagulls at the Pepermint Lounge, and bird-hair, after a Doomy Synth Drone, exhorted his audience:

"Awright New Yawk! You ready to rock!"

iang, Friday, 14 January 2005 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

All the drugs made him think he was in the Doors. I can still remember the first time I saw him in his leather pants touching him *there*. I of course HAD to buy the album the same week. That's what I liked about Dave: he was a little dorky guy who wanted to be rock so much, but you always knew it was just an act.

Which is exactly why I didn't "get" Songs Of Faith And Devotion when it came out. I remember shaking my head at DG on the cover of Details and thinking "Where's Dave Gahan and what have they done with him? Who's this Chris Cornell stunt-double?"
It took me years to get over my preudice and admit that SOFAD was as a good a record as Violator.

Dave's actual singing voice has improved drastically since he cleaned up. On the older stuff you can often hear him reaching for notes and not quite hitting them, like he's too tired/strung out for a retake. On the new stuff you can tell he gives a shit again, and it's not just Pro Tools and Auto-Tune - he's really singing.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 14 January 2005 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree. His singing on Exciter is wonderful--drag about the tunes.

igrey, Friday, 14 January 2005 23:41 (twenty-one years ago)

get over my preudice

See also: prejudice.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 14 January 2005 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

If you compare their voices to guitar-playing contemporaries, then Le Bon would be the Edge to Gahan's Johnny Marr. So, then...

David A. (Davant), Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:41 (twenty years ago)

can Depeche do Duran tribute album ?
can Duran do Depeche tribute album ?

tribute boy, Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:22 (twenty years ago)

A Vince Clarke + Le Bon collab might have been cool.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 15 January 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

A Vince Clarke + Le Bon collab might have been cool.

Oh damn, you're right! That *would* have been cool! Hey, wait a sec! Neither of them are gone from this earth just yet! There's still time!

My opinion on this matter really hasn't changed, BTW; I still think this would be a tie race as far as pure vocal quality is concerned, but that Dave Gahan is a much better man than Simon Le Bon is or possibly could ever hope to be (sadly). I would love to eat my words here, though; if I hear of Simon halting his consumption of Peruvian Marching Powder and actually acknowledging in multiple high-profile interviews that the band's 1986 - 2000 period actually bloody EXISTED (let alone produced some of the band's finest output), I will welcome Simon back into my heart. Otherwise -- sorry, Le Bon.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 15 January 2005 09:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh! And hey, tribute boy, thanks for bringing up "Khanada" -- that's a song Dave Gahan would TOTALLY rule over. OMG. Just imagining a DM version of that song is giving me chills up and down my spine.

Vice versa? "A Question Of Trust" or any other DM song ML Gore has sung on.

Samantha Baker (Dee the Lurker), Saturday, 15 January 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

'It's far more accurate to say 'Dave Gahan and his on-stage histrionics.'

oh yes, Dave "Pelvis" Gahan - i do like DM but I felt a bit embarrassed when I saw them live. Anyway, Gahan seems to be a nice guy.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Saturday, 15 January 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)


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