Johnny Rotten, New Frontman for Devo!?

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Heard a story once about how a post-Pistol but pre-PIL John Lydon wanted to join Devo, preferably as frontman. As you can tell, this never came to pass.
But, this being the "Alternate Universe" category of ILM, we can ponder what small but interesting changes would occur if this were to have actually taken place.
Such as:
1) Would their first album be just a continuation of Devo but with Lydons vocals, or would it be a more robotic version of "Metal Box"-era PIL. (Sub-question... Robotic Casiotone Avant-reggae? "Horrid idea!" or "Gimme another plate fulla that!")
2) Would Lydon -- who lets face it, has a sizeable ego and would theoretically not respond well to authority|peer pressure -- function in a group whose main conceit is assimilation into the hivemind. Would "anger is an energy!" become "anger is irrelevant." ?
3) Anybody want to do a fictional discography review of a Lydonized Devo (or a Devofied PIL)?

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Devo are shite. PiL is magnificent.

Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

"Devo are shite. PiL is magnificent. "

ummmm no.

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:53 (twenty-one years ago)

4) If he had joined Devo, would there have been some "Rust Never Sleeps" covering/reclaiming?

Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

PiL are shit, Devo are magnificent.

I don't believe this, but it really needs to be said to balance the thread. Both are pretty damn good.

mike h. (mike h.), Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

"4) If he had joined Devo, would there have been some "Rust Never Sleeps" covering/reclaiming? "

you need to see Human Highway.

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

not that it invalidates the question, but the Neil Young/Devo connection adds some subtle shading, shall we say...

Shakey Mo Collier, Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Heard a story once about how a post-Pistol but pre-PIL John Lydon wanted to join Can, preferably as frontman. As you can tell, this never came to pass.

LSD ARISTOCAT (ex machina), Saturday, 15 January 2005 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Johnny & Devo would have recorded one album, and then split.. leaving Devo to themselves, albeit now with a shadow in their career. Assuming Lydon's output circa 1983 and after would be the same how it stands in this universe, I much prefer this universe to Bizarre Johnny & Devo universe.

donut christ (donut), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

xxpost:
I think my dates were off. Never mind.

Ken L (Ken L), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Have Eno and Lydon ever been collaborators? (earnest question)

donut christ (donut), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

"4) If he had joined Devo, would there have been some "Rust Never Sleeps" covering/reclaiming? "
Now I have an incongruous mental image of Eddie Vedder on the podium at an awards ceremony solemnly intoning... "...The Godfather of Grunge.... John Lydon!"

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Now I have an incongruous mental image of Eddie Vedder on the podium at an awards ceremony solemnly intoning... "...The Godfather of Grunge.... John Lydon!" -- Lord Custos Epsilon

Hahahah. That right there, made my entire day! Thanks

buck van smack (Buck Van Smack), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Get out and vote everybody! The power is yours! I am Captain Planet!"

latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 January 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

If he'd joined Devo, Devo would have sucked ass.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 15 January 2005 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, that's like "Imagine if Mike Patton had been the frontman for Icicle Works! Wouldn't that have been WILD?????"

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 15 January 2005 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Have Eno and Lydon ever been collaborators?

(no)

simperer, Saturday, 15 January 2005 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Devo are shite. PiL is magnificent.

Eat Hot Death!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 15 January 2005 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

"It's people and it's places! Not people and their -- Mark what th' fuck is that sound? Because it's no longer a fuckin' guitar. I can't fuckin' work this way!"

martin m. (mushrush), Saturday, 15 January 2005 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Would John Lydon now be doing music for the Rugrats?

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 15 January 2005 06:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Nic de Teardrop: Devo are shite. PiL is magnificent.
AlexinNYC: Eat Hot Death!
You forgot the part about "...fascist media pigs..."

Just for the record, I think they are both awesome, and I would've loved to see a collaboration between the jerky electronerdpop of Devo and the jittery reggaeskronk of PIL. But I also know it was never meant to be.

I still am wondering seriouly about question 2. Would Lydon overthrow the established Devo order or would he gleefully wear the power accumulator dome hat and march in lockstep with his robotized brothers (even if he only meant it ironically.)

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Saturday, 15 January 2005 09:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, that's like "Imagine if Mike Patton had been the frontman for Icicle Works! Wouldn't that have been WILD?????"

...i feel dizzy now...

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Saturday, 15 January 2005 11:49 (twenty-one years ago)

This got bought up in an interview with Mark Mothersbaugh that Nick Jones did for Soda Pressed zine, and should be running on the website I write for soonish:

(Richard Branson flys Devo to Jamaica to discuss signing and rolls joints for them for the whole weekend...)

Mark: "...Richard (Branson) & Simon (Draper) and all these guys are talking to us, saying "What do you think about the Sex Pistols?". And we're like "Well, we just saw them, they came and saw us play at a punk club there (presumably in San Franciso). Then afterwards three of them of them came over and hung out with us at the place we were staying. Sid, Nancy, Paul and Steve. They were hanging out with us, and they're nice guys. Sid was kind of funny because he was trying to start trouble. He'd do stuff like, people would be at this party and he'd go over to a bottle of beer that was on the table and he'd go like this (Mark places a little pill container on the edge of the deskand gently, gradually taps it further and further until it eventually falls over the edge) and he'd look around to see if anybody was going to be upset. And nobody cared and so he was kind of disappointed he couldn't get anyone angry at him, nobody cared you know.

So anyhow, we're (the Devo and Virgin Records guys) talking about it, saying it's too bad they broke up, they're were a great band and Johnny Rotten was visionary, he's really great and all this stuff. And in the mean time Bob, and I, they're like "No, you guys smoke!" (encourging them to get stoned) so we're smoking this marijuana, and it's more than we've smoked in our lives before. We had a whole joint all to ourselves. We were getting really stoned, and he goes "Well, I'll tell you why I'm asking this... because Johnny Rotten is down here too, and we've got writers from New Musical Express, Sounds magazine and..." What is it, Music Maker?

Nick: Melody Maker?

Mark: Melody Maker, thanks. And he goes "Well we've got these guys from all three magazines that want to talk to you, IF you want Johnny Rotten to be the new lead singer for Devo, we can go down to the beach right now and make an annoucement". And I'm like, "Hmmm... (relaxed and sighing) WHAT?!". It's like, I was just kind of stoned and just talking, like somebody who'd just got stoned for the first time in their life, you know if you'd never smoked that much before. Then also, I'm like "I'm feeling really stoned right now". So, it was one of those things where, have you ever been at church or school or somewhere where everything is just so boring or so weird that you start to laugh, and can't stop? And you're at school and you think "This is so absurd" and then the teachers just talking , and it makes you want to laugh because everything's so absurd, the marijuana was helping that on that, then all I know is I started laughing at HIM! Just "Ahahaha, no, come on! We're not saying it's a bad idea, but ahahahaha!" And we're laughing at Richard Branson and his going and he's just going (in a groan) "Oh..." because he was hoping for that we were going to think that it was a really good idea.

It was a very weird experience for the rest of the time there, because they were still hoping that we were going to say "Yeah, lets make the annoucement!". And we're like "No, it's that we don't think he's great, he's great! Ahahahaha!". We were totally embarassed and totally, overly stoned at the same time, so it was a weird experience. We had a couple of weird experiences with Richard Branson, but that was the weirdest one.

MattR (MattR), Saturday, 15 January 2005 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm really glad someone explained that, because this thread hurts my head. I have no problem with Devo, I have no problem with Lydon. But try as I might I can't put the two together in my brain. And I truly sympathise with the experience Mark spoke of. God bless 'im.

Bimble... (Bimble...), Saturday, 15 January 2005 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

"Now I have an incongruous mental image of Eddie Vedder on the podium at an awards ceremony solemnly intoning... "...The Godfather of Grunge.... John Lydon!""

Grunge was just mainstream America catching up with what happened to the rest of the world in 1976

SG, Saturday, 15 January 2005 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Grunge was the big labels recycling what the small labels already used up by 1984.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 16 January 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

Grunge was the sound of one hand clapping.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

And the Scene Police napping.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

damn i am such a dork!

latebloomer (latebloomer), Sunday, 16 January 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, that's like "Imagine if Mike Patton had been the frontman for Icicle Works! Wouldn't that have been WILD?????"
We need more of these!
"Imagine if Diamanda Galas (in shreiky mode) was the frontwoman of the Carpenters! That Would've been WILD!!!!"
etc.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Sunday, 16 January 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Haven't we....? I'm sure we have.... Yes, I thought so, look: we've discussed this before.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 17 January 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

So, basically, this was Richard Branson's version of a good idea?

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)

(Stew, that link got me!)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)

What a wonderful day it was, when the Buggles joined YES !

Unless you meant this (which I'd forgotten about) where it's mentioned rather than discussed...

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

PiL are shit

You forgot one word, namely the. THey are THE shit. I never quite liked Sex Pistols - I understand their greatness, but never really liked them - but PIL is hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I can even hear them in the Junior Boys.

stevie nixed (stevie nixed), Monday, 17 January 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

"(Stew, that link got me!)....

.... Unless you meant this (which I'd forgotten about) where it's mentioned rather than discussed..."

Actually I meant this one. No idea how that self-reference happened but sincere apologies to anyone who may have been sucked into a loop for all eternity as a result.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 17 January 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)


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