Defend the Indefensible: Leonard Cohen's "Death of a Ladies' Man"

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PHIL SPECTOR DIDN'T COMMIT MURDER IN A DAY

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

how is this indefensible?

it doesn't quite work sometimes. maybe.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:14 (twenty years ago)

was born in a beauty salon
My father was a dresser of hair
My mother was a girl you could call on
When you called she was always there
When you called she was always there
When you called she was always there
When you called she was always there
When you called she was always there

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on
It will only drive you insane
You can't shake it (or break it) with your Motown
You can't melt it down in the rain

You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain

I've looked behind all of the faces
That smile you down to you knees
And the lips that say, Come on, taste us
And when you try to they make you say Please

When you try to they make you say Please
When you try to they make you say Please
When you try to they make you say Please
When you try to they make you say Please

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on ...

Here come's your bride with her veil on
Approach her, you wretch, if you dare
Approach her, you ape with your tail on
Once you have her she'll always be there

Once you have her she'll always be there
Once you have her she'll always be there
Once you have her she'll always be there
Once you have her she'll always be there

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on ...

So I work in that same beauty salon
I'm chained to the old masquerade
The lipstick, the shadow, the silicone
I follow my father's trade

I follow my father's trade
Yes I follow my father's trade
Yes I follow my father's trade
Yes I follow my father's trade

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on
It will only drive you insane
You can't shake it (or break it) with your Motown
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain
You can't melt it down in the rain

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)

YOUR MOTHER IS A WHORE
YOUR FATHER IS A FAGGOT

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:16 (twenty years ago)

well i find it to be quite a decent record actually.

Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:46 (twenty years ago)

decent?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

this record's dick's hanging out of its pants

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

how is this indefensible?

easily, since i find EVERYTHING about leonard cohen to be indefensible!

see, e.g. Defend the Indefensible 7: Leonard Cohen

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

argunaut, does it have cum in its hair too?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

Great record. The laughter, the tears, the ludicrous grandiosity... What's not to like?

[Actually, the sound quality on my CD suggests it was mastered via a two-cans-and-a-length-of-string arrangement. I don't like that.]

Nag! Nag! Nag! (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 07:05 (twenty years ago)

don't worry, the vinyl sounds like hell too

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 07:07 (twenty years ago)

I love the Close Lobsters' cover of Paper Thin Hotel

Jez (Jez), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)


Great record. The laughter, the tears, the ludicrous grandiosity... What's not to like?

Exactly. Fabulously OTT. As I once said on a similar thread. It's Leonard Cohen and it swings. Sensational stuff!

Ben Dot (1977), Thursday, 24 February 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

i think this album is fantastic. outrageous production, hilarious lyrics--cohen is way funnier than most people give him credit for. the whole album is a spot-on depiction of terrified masculinity in the face of the 70s sexual revolution. the cover is brill as well. but it definitely gets plenty of slagging--not the least from lenny himself. the recent "essential leonard cohen" which i think he compiled doesn't have a single song from the album on it. the whole experience of working with spector must've left a bad taste in his mouth--too much cocaine and too many firearms no doubt.

tylerw, Thursday, 24 February 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

Dylan squeeze Ronee Blakee on his right there

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

Not an indefensible record by a longshot, kids.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 24 February 2005 01:42 (twenty years ago)

great record.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 24 February 2005 01:47 (twenty years ago)

it's a hard record to love, and the arrangements are kind of ass some of the time (often they one or two good production ideas which spector just won't let alone, and the songs are sometimes quite long), but it has real merit.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:01 (twenty years ago)

New Skin for the Old Ceremony is better though.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

i think the back cover is great as well--same as the fron t except minus Cohen. The women don't seem to mind he's gone. a nice comment on the utter self absorption of the album's protagonist.

tylerw, Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

isn't the back, like, a wrap-around, from the front, so that the girl, on leo's left is on the right and vice-versa? maybe that says a lot, too.

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

not a makeout record btw

The Argunaut (sexyDancer), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:22 (twenty years ago)

New Skin for the Old Ceremony is better though.

-- roger adultery (vlad62...) (webmail), February 24th, 2005 2:04 AM. (roger adultery) (link)

well, duh.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:35 (twenty years ago)

the girls he is with on the cover are hot! i think one of them is suzanne. it's a vintage photo iirc.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

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Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

ha, kind of funny to think of ANY spector records being makeout records, despite the sentiment of the early stuff. they're so dramatic.

tylerw, Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

I can't think of Leonard Cohen the same since I've heard my roommate singing "Avalanche" at 10 in the morning in his awful voice (some bastardisation of jeremy enigk, morrissey and bob dylan.)

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 24 February 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

CLASSIC! Just for "Fingerprints" alone. Easily my favorite Cohen album (so far)..

Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Thursday, 24 February 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

15 songs were written by the two over a course of three weeks, and Spector described it as "some great fuckin' music". Not everyone agreed with this assessment, preferring Cohen's earlier acoustic folk music to the jazz-, rock- and even funk-influenced arrangements. Among the seven unknown outtakes is probably "Do I Have to Dance All Night". A live recording was released in France as a single in 1976.

Bob Dylan and Allen Ginsberg sang backup vocals on the chorus of "Don't Go Home with Your Hard-on".

Death of a Ladies' Man was recorded in Los Angeles, California. Before Cohen had completed his vocals, Spector barred him from the studio (supposedly under armed guard) and mixed the album by himself. For this reason some of the songs only have "guiding vocals" originally meant to be redone later.

-wikipedia

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 23:22 (seventeen years ago)

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 22 October 2008 23:27 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

beautiful record, can see why the faithful were confused 35 years ago but now?

buzza, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 06:45 (thirteen years ago)

it doesn't confuse me, I just don't like it at all. the only cohen album I can't listen to.

my father will guide me up the stairs to bed (anagram), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 09:45 (thirteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Just listened to this for the first time, while reading the "Phil Spector: Murderer!"-thread. Made for a nice pairing. I really like the record. OTT, naturally,lots of stuff happening all the time, Cohen sounds confused, caught up, in the sound. It might well be a coincidence (or it might not) but it fits well with the lyrical preoccupation with struggling males, the 70s, feminism etc..

And "Memories" is the bomb.

Mule, Monday, 14 January 2013 21:10 (twelve years ago)

Obviously not indefensible, btw.

Mule, Monday, 14 January 2013 21:11 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...

his best record

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 July 2014 15:49 (eleven years ago)

Bloated, lurid, bleak. Sounds both cheap and excessive, by turns maudlin and crassly cynical, such a beautiful artifact.

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 July 2014 15:52 (eleven years ago)

would love to hear the outtakes

Οὖτις, Friday, 11 July 2014 15:54 (eleven years ago)

eight months pass...

you are that naked angel in my heart
you are the woman with her legs apart

marcos, Monday, 6 April 2015 00:43 (ten years ago)

jeez leonard

marcos, Monday, 6 April 2015 00:44 (ten years ago)

this song is so dreamy

marcos, Monday, 6 April 2015 00:44 (ten years ago)

btw this album is completely defensible

marcos, Monday, 6 April 2015 00:45 (ten years ago)

Once you've been to heeeeeeelllllllllllllluh

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2015 00:46 (ten years ago)

i love that spector quote "some great fuckin music"

marcos, Monday, 6 April 2015 00:51 (ten years ago)

there are many ways a man can serve his time

difficult listening hour, Monday, 6 April 2015 01:36 (ten years ago)

I really like it.
Got it as part of the box set
I remember Chris Bohn/Biba Kopf included it in his NME essay on hardcore back in '84. Wonder if many people picked up on it from there.
It also reminds me of Nick Cave/Tindersticks etc so assume it had some influence there.

Stevolende, Monday, 6 April 2015 07:50 (ten years ago)

This is my sentimental fav Cohen

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Monday, 6 April 2015 08:57 (ten years ago)

Nah, it's terrible.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Monday, 6 April 2015 19:39 (ten years ago)

this is one of those albums that makes me wonder what's going to happen to Spector's estate when he dies. I can't remember if he's estranged from his children or not, and his latest wife is obviously bonkers/tasteless - does this mean whatever he's got locked up in his vaults will never see the light of day?

Οὖτις, Monday, 6 April 2015 19:42 (ten years ago)

It also reminds me of Nick Cave/Tindersticks etc so assume it had some influence there.

I used to have a recording of Nick Cave doing a great version of Don't Go Home With Your Hard-on. Haven't been able to find it on the internet ever though. He's done loads of Cohen covers over the years (including the opening track on the first Bad Seeds album).

Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 7 April 2015 11:44 (ten years ago)

I used to have a recording of Nick Cave doing a great version of Don't Go Home With Your Hard-on. Haven't been able to find it on the internet ever though

This would have been from one of the Hal Willner-curated Cohen tribute shows in 2004-5, Cave used to lead the whole cast in the finale with that song.

anthony braxton diamond geezer (anagram), Tuesday, 14 April 2015 09:53 (ten years ago)


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