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Top 5 from each city...who wins?

LA:
The Doors
N.W.A.
Love
Byrds
X

SF:
Dead Kennedys
Grateful Dead
Mettalica
Sly and The Family Stone
Journey

who wins?

― Antonio DePietro, Friday, 1 April 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

LA. But it's still a shithole.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Include the bay area and SF's prospects increase dramatically.

― djdee (djdee2005), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Dre for teh win

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Include San Diego, Tijuana and in fact all of Central and South America and SF GOES DOWN. (However, this may be a stretch.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Even then it's still not very close. AND I love the Chocolate Watch Band and E-40!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

That was to dee.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Also Black Flag>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>X.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Too Short?

― djdee (djdee2005), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Digital Underground, and sort of 2pac.

― djdee (djdee2005), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

I don't like any of them as much as Dre/Snoop/Cube/NWA.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I love like six Too $hort albums vs. 2-3 Ice Cube ones, but I see what you mean.

There's also the whole Hyphy thing going down now, the stuff Serg is into.

― djdee (djdee2005), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

This is a pointless discussion. Only SFers think there is a rivalry. LA could care less.

Beyond that, we have NWA so we win obviously.

― bro jackson (he knows) (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)Anyway even if you the Bay Area as winning the hip hop wars, the 60s is just a joke. I'll take a million knocked off garage bands and fake surf acts and weird-o studio pop constructions over Jefferson Airplane, the Dead and Santana.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Well during the punk era I guess it was pretty close, but that's mostly cuz LA punk bands sucked.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

Beach Boys?

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

Both are rubbish now, though?

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Dean Gulberry's music vs. my music

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't consider the Beach Boys to have part of the LA punk scene, Spencer.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

YOU ARE ALL CALIFORNIA!

GIVE UP!

― donut debonair (donut), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

First of all, when you say L.A., it doesn't really mean the city of Los Angeles. These "LA" bands are actually from Venice Beach, Hollywood, Sliverlake, etc. So, this is really a battle between the greater LA area, and the San Francisco Bay Area. Fair is fair.

Now, Gimme some Yay Area love for:
SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE, CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL, THE GRATEFUL DEAD, FLAMIN' GROOVIES, METALLICA , JEFFERSON AIRPLANE, SANTANA, TOWER OF POWER, GREEN DAY, MOBY GRAPE, DEAD KENNEDYS, SYLVESTER, THE TUBES, PRIMUS, NEIL YOUNG, CHRIS ISAAK, TUPAC, RANCID, SONS OF CHAMPLIN, ROMEO VOID, STEVE MILLER BAND, BIG BROTHER AND THE HOLDING COMPANY, DOOBIE BROTHERS, CAMPER VAN BEETHOVEN, BOZ SCAGGS, TOO $HORT, JOURNEY, DIGITAL UNDERGROUND, FAITH NO MORE, EN VOGUE, QUICKSILVER MESSENGER SERVICE, CHARLES BROWN, JONATHAN RICHMAN, HOT TUNA, DJ SHADOW, THE RESIDENTS, HUEY LEWIS AND THE NEWS, CHEER, COUNTRY JOE AND THE FISH, COUNTING CROWS...
FLIPPER
HAMMER
THIRD EYE BLIND
TONY TONI TONE
AMERICAN MUSIC CLUB
BOBBY FREEMAN
THE AVENGERS
KINGSTON TRIO
BEAU BRUMMELS
HOODOO RHYTHM DEVILS
SPEARHEAD
JELLYFISH
NEGATIVLAND
GRAHAM CENTRAL STATION
JOE SATRIANI
PARIS
JOAN BAEZ
ELECTRIC FLAG
ELVIN BISHOP
SAMMY HAGAR
SHEILA E.
COMMANDER CODY AND HIS LOST PLANET AIRMEN
GREG KIHN
THE MERMEN
THE RUBINOOS
DAN HICKS AND THE HOT LICKS
INVISIBL SKRATCH PIKLZ
COUNT FIVE
THE DUROCS
CLUB NOUVEAU
TRANSLATOR
RED HOUSE PAINTERS
POINTER SISTERS
SMASH MOUTH
IMPERIAL TEEN
IT'S A BEAUTIFUL DAY
DISPOSABLE HEROES OF HIPHOPRISY
COLD BLOOD
EDDIE MONEY
CHOCOLATE WATCHBAND
MONTROSE
4 NON BLONDES (Linda Perry)
E-40
THE CALL
PABLO CRUISE
THE UPTONES
OPERATION IVY
CONSOLIDATED, ERASE ERATTA, DEERHOOF, NUMBERS, ets etc

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Fuck that. Souther California is only California because Mexico hasn't got enough gumption to take it back (ps you can have it.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Really, these are the most BORING "arguments" on ILX!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Um Bobby a lot of those bands really really suck.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

I actually didn't realize that SO many bad bands came from the Bay Area though!

xp!!!haha

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

There are actually only about four bands on that list I would even consider listening to!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

and two of them are rappers!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Really though, California's contribution to music is pretty unforgiveable!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

(xxpost)
Oh, I wouldn't listen to over half of those bands. But I can never make assumptions about what other folks on this board like and don't like, so I was being all inclusive.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

"Really though, California's contribution to music is pretty unforgiveable!"

This is actually not true, but again except for hip hop, a few punk bands, a couple of good underground 80s acts and Sly & the Family Stone, pretty much all the good music came from down south.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

do you really work for 04kl4ndish.Org?

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Also you missed Chrome and Barbara Manning and the Thinking Fellers and the Melvins and Crime and the Dils (who also played in a LA a lot actually), Bobby.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

This all comes down to SAMMY HAGAR vs. DAVID LEE ROTH.

― bro jackson (he knows) (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

"First of all, when you say L.A., it doesn't really mean the city of Los Angeles. These "LA" bands are actually from Venice Beach, Hollywood, Sliverlake, etc."

Well, actually, Venice, Hollywood and Silver Lake are part of the city of Los Angeles.

It would have made better sense to say Compton (NWA)and Hawthorne (Beach Boys) for instance, which are other cities entirely.

― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Airtube, yeah, founded it.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

yay!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

I...read an interview with you, somewhere.

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

sf taking credit for neil young is kind of a stretch.

hammer, 4 non-blondes, and the dead kennedys. wow.

― dan (dan), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Hammer lives in TRACY now!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

if sf gets neil young, la gets ornette, john lennon, and nilsson.

― dan (dan), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

and imperial teen.

― dan (dan), Friday, 1 April 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

AlexSF, is there a CRIME thread yet? Ooooh, they were *mean*.

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure there is. There was that reissue/collection thing just a while ago.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I started one!

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Tell me about Crime

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

this all comes down to Tony! Toni! Tone! and Oaktown 357 vs. the city of Compton

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

bit of an edge to LA for sure, just because of the sheer volume/centralization of the music industry that exists down there. But if I had to choose between CCR and the Beach Boys, or NWA and Digital Underground, or DLR-era Van Halen vs. Cliff Burton-era Metallica, I don't think I could really decide.

however, as someone who moved from SoCal to SF, naturally it's my opinion that on all other, non-musical fronts, SF completely slays LA, which is an ugly, undereducated, crime-ridden, self-absorbed, smog-choked hellhole of unrestrained urban sprawl.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 1 April 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

shakey OTM with that last bit about non-musical fronts

― ken taylrr (ken taylrr), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I was just thinking to myself today that LA is really an amazing and beautiful place. So is SF.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

LA can fall into the ocean, as far as I care. BURN, HOLLYWOOD, BURN!

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 1 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 96 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

which city is greater -one that can be "covered" in one day, or the megalopolis thats a hundred cities in one, thats inexhaustible in the variety of entertainment it offers and endlessly stimulating

and no one even mentions all the bizarro non-touristy shit we have down here, like the Museum of Neon (downtown) the Museum of Death (hollywood but i think it's closed) the Museum of Black (south downtown) and the Museum of Jurassic Technology on Venice..which i still have to go to !!! and there are always new things opening like every weekend..it never ends. last saturday i discovered the most ghetto-fabulous hangout i never knew existed...this old time roller-disco with a bar + bowling alley (!!) on the top level. if any of u haven't roller skated drunk in the past 15 years, i highly recommend it.. this place ("world on wheels") currently has the lockdown on my bday this year inless i find something crazier

i think within los angeles' environs u can find a lot more to do than SF...esp if u add in all the surfing / skating / riding / shooting / graffiiting / outdoorsy stuff that nerds like me never even care for.

and especially if u r friends with a certain chaki_mc_chaka!

― Vic in LA, Friday, 1 April 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Ok, you can cross it easily, but you can't really hit the whole city in a day.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

I just want someone to answer the hedge question actually. Dean, stop being a bit of douche yourself and investigate that shit!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

Who cares when Liverpool and Manchester beats both hands down anyway?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

What's the name of the movie theater w/restaurant-bar service that all of my fabulous Angeleno friends are going to?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:47 (twenty years ago)

I've done similar walks in SF and while I was enlightened, I wouldn't pretend to have covered the entire city.

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

i have 4 friends in LA excluding Ned who are carless and love it. it's called not being scared of the MTA, people

― Vic in LA, Friday, 1 April 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

Ned is careless too, just for the record.

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

"i think within los angeles' environs u can find a lot more to do than SF"

Except again you have to be in LA, which to go back to my original point, is a shithole.

"i have 4 friends in LA excluding Ned who are carless and love it. it's called not being scared of the MTA, people"

Wow! FOUR!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Okay enough of this douchery. I'm gonna go see Sin City now haha.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Why are the Scousers and Mancunians beating both of their hands down and with what?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Comparing LA to SF should really be comparing LA to Bay Area in it's entirety.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

i believe you're talking about Cinespace. it's down the boulevard from me...7 minutes walking distance. as is my bank, my pharmacy, my post office, the newstand, ameoba, the henry fonda, the kodak theatre, the fuken american cinematheque at the egyptian, a ton of bars / clubs / scient0l0gy buildings / restaurants / theatres (porn and not) and stripclubs... but oh yeah, keep bitching that you cant live a pedestrian lifestyle in LA

― Vic in LA, Friday, 1 April 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

I have never ever ridden the metro. I don't like this "SF style" influence in my fair city!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:53 (twenty years ago)

Pretty soon we'll all be picking fights with other cities!

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

um, i just meant FOUR as in no not everyone i know has a car here so its possible to live w/o one and those ppl like being w/o one just fine...but yea you're being too much of an asshole-douche to even continue this, and i have to finalize my own Sin City plans haha so i really should stop wasting time on this pointless thread

― Vic in LA, Friday, 1 April 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

LA >> SF >> SIN CITY >> ALEX IN SF

I think that's what the lesson here is.

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

( wait Ned lives in Orange County which is clearly _not_ LA as i earlier distinguished... so really this thread should be LA vs Irvine, or something like that )

― Vic in LA, Friday, 1 April 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

xxpost

The Museum of Neon Art also offers an incredible double-decker bus tour of LA neon at night that takes you through downtown, Chinatown, Hollywood, etc. Seeing LA from the top of a double-decker bus on a warm summer night (with alcohol!) is definitely a unique experience.

― kickitcricket (kickitcricket), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Three friends then, Vik. Way to lie.

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

Smog levels in LA are *much* lower than even 10 years ago.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:58 (twenty years ago)

LA also has the Museum of Jurassic Technology. And more Lindsay Lohan sightings per capita than any other city in the world!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 1 April 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Three friends then, Vik. Way to lie.

-- Alex in LA (power.strik...), April 2nd, 2005.
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I'm so fake, I live in Hollywood, what can I do

― Vic in LA, Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I think it is Cinespace. I'm sure I'll end up going when I'm back down there.

― M. White (Miguelito), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

spencer i namedropped the Museum of JT up there already...xpost! i still have to go

― Vic in LA, Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.rotovibe.com/images/getty/108_0807.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

To bring it back to a musical topic, I have to admit that the Bay Area has WAY better record shopping and gear shopping than LA. Better in the sense of cheaper and better deals that is.

Also, SF architecture and the overall look of the city was 1000x better before the rampant spread of McLofts. Being in SF kind of makes me sad now. Then again, being on the Disneyfied Hollywood Blvd. makes me even sadder.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

some smog, but certainly not too bad. It never bothers me anymore (although I remember it as a kid in the Valley)
http://www.rotovibe.com/images/getty/107_0798.jpg

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:12 (twenty years ago)

L.A. had Pretty Boy Floyd.

L.A. wins.

Lock thread.

― donut debonair (donut), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

The smog doesn't bother me too much but the chemtrails are killing me.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

I thought they were targeting me specifically!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

They probably are. Move to SF please.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

Too many black helicopters and nuclear subs in the Bay.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:24 (twenty years ago)

God, the weather is so nice right now. I am going to walk to get cash and buy a new cell phone.

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

Also, I may steal some water from the North.

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

them Ozarkies shall curse your first-born, oh LA-Alex! And buying and talking on a cell phone? How superficial you polluting Angeleno!

― Vic in LA, Saturday, 2 April 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

or done the horse-riding-thru-griffith-park-to-the-mexican-restaturant-thing-in-burbank or etc etc

That'd make such a great FAP! Isn't Sean Carruthers coming to town soon?

I wish there was a little bit more Huell Howser in all of us.

Also--REDD KROSS! REDD KROSS! REDD KROSS!

― Love at the Pier (Arthur), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

WE HAVE WEEZER PEOPLE!!!

― charleston charge (chaki), Saturday, 2 April 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

After seeing Sin City the above hiearchy needs to be adjusted a little bit:

ALEX IN SF>>SF>>SUMMER'S EVE>>SIN CITY>>LA>>ALEX IN LA/VIC IN LA (Tied)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 April 2005 04:25 (twenty years ago)

SF people seem to forget the Tenderloin.

― Ejirc, Saturday, 2 April 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it's pretty awesome.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

L.A. did have The Plimsouls...

― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

i live in s.f. and it's full of snobs, at least the people in l.a. know they're cheesy,

― cornelius crash (cornelius crash), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

you need to meet ME, young man.

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Saturday, 2 April 2005 05:33 (twenty years ago)

xpost
OTM. Also, I had fondue in the valley last night. The restaurant was amazing, it had not changed at all since 1978, but it was still kind of nice.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Saturday, 2 April 2005 07:47 (twenty years ago)

I went to a "strip club" in LA ... where the titties, my man!?

― Alex in LA (deangulberry), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

that reminds me of something

― Airtube (nordicskilla), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

You guys forgot United States Of America and The Screamers.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Sunday, 3 April 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

and Judee Sill. and John Cage. and and...

― Brad Laner (Brad Laner), Monday, 4 April 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

sparks!

― dan (dan), Monday, 4 April 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

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