Punk Rock of the East Bay Area

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Here's the thread for remembering the glory years of East Bay Punk and discussing just how influential these bands were: Fang, Flipper, Kwikway, Crimpshrine, Christ on Parade, Operation Ivy, Beatnigs, Social Unrest, Econochrist, Isocracy, Oppressed Logic, Neuorsis, Psychotic Pinapple, Strychnine, and yes: Green Day & Rancid.

Let us also conjure the legacy of Ruthie's Inn, Barrington Hall, Gilman Street, the Berkeley Square, Keystone, Omni Ballroom, Sproul Plaze et all. Yeyah!
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Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

What about the DK's?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

Them too, although some might say "San Francisco"
(even with 'East Bay Ray' as a founder).

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Is there really a difference?

KIDDING.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

Do Neurosis count?

latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

This girl I had a crush on at college made me listen to Rancid and Operation Ivy. That is about as far as my association with these things goes.

Doesn't Billy Joe live in a fancy Oakland Hills mansion now?

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

oh ok, they're up there in the list

x-post

latebloomer: strawman knockdowner (latebloomer), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

x-post: Billie Joe started Adeline Records and still records & performs with The Network, and Pinhead Gunpowder. So he gets a pass, and can live wherever he wants.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't making a judgement, just an observation.

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

USE ONE SEARCH FUNCTION:

PUNK ROCK in the East Bay Area

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 14 April 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Shit. This thread is turning out to be rather unpunk. And not very East Bay.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Thursday, 14 April 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Seeing as how I lived right near Billy & them, I felt a bit of a connection even though I never really was down with any that sh*t... but i did feel that lil respect ofr the movement kinda.

but yeah, this thread is very un-east-bay-punk--I can testify ta that as even a reformed make-funner-of-east-bay-punkers. shame shame ya'll.


But I've remember sumthin maybe of use. there was an interesting website that I recently seen--they had this 1 record label don't remember which but sumhow probably related ta The Gilman/Adeline Records/??? that was suddenly transferring ALL they catalog of cassettes ta digital form--mp3's & the exact cover scans, that they were posting up ta the worldwideweb for free ta suckers like you. Yall should check that out by googling various East Bay Punk namedrops... semi-good luck.

Cavebaby Jesus, Thursday, 14 April 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

We like Bobby Peru.

cs appleby (cs appleby), Friday, 15 April 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

Aaron Cometbus made a pretty cool mixtape of this stuff that you can download. Here's the link: http://theotherpage.com/music/top001.html

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 15 April 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Flipper rule. Mid-teens, my fantasy was to leave post-punk Britain behind and see them, the DKs and all the rest in their native environs.

Soukesian, Friday, 15 April 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Blackjack Records:
Monoshock
Liquorball

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

i've been to the gilman twice despite living in berkeley for almost 20 years. once was like 11 years ago, don't remember who I saw. the second time was a few months ago to see some friends. i was so not involved with any of this. however, I remember when Tim from Rancid worked at Blondie's pizza. I talked with him about cults once; a childhood friend of his died at Jonestown, or so he claimed.

billie joe peed on my friend's leg once.

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

i like neurosis though (though I like tribes of neurot more)

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I ate next to TIM FROM RANCID in THE MACARONI GRILL in EL CERRITO PLAZA!!!

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

MONOSHOCK

LIQUORBALL

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Friday, 15 April 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

That Cometbus Mix is awesome! Thanks, polyphonic.

I won't bore everyone with my pizza, piss, and macaroni stories. Whogivesashit, really.

I will say that when I saw the Crimpshrine/Operation Ivy show at Gilman in the late eighties, I wasn't really *into* punk, but what I experienced that night was unforgetable. It was rough, ugly, & distorted (as punk should be), but with a refreshingly upbeat, melodic, and happy-go-lucky tone. It was all about comradary, the way everyone in the place would rush the mic for the choruses and scream their fucking hearts out. There was a unique blend of ska, humor, and politix that became a trademark of Gilman street in the 90's. After the show we all went hedge diving.

This was during the time when punk wasn't cool again yet. There was nothing fashionable about the scene. They were mostly nerdy berkeley vegan kids, with some stink. I don't know what other venues/cities were flying that black flag so proudly during that time.

Also mentionable: these same kids' older siblings were the ones brewing up original American Death Metal around 81-86. All these bands had members living in the East Bay during that time: Slayer, Death Angel, Testament, Exodus, Laaz Rockit, Metallica, Acid Rain, Blind Illusion, Metal Church, Murder, Lazarus and Leviathan. Now Oakland's "High On Fire" proudly carries that torch.

(heavy sigh)

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 15 April 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Before I moved here in '96, I always envisioned Berkeley punk (and Gilman, specifically) as this amazingly hardcore thing, filled with dudes like those guys who beat up Jello. Alas, Gilman is filled with sissies and vegans (and sissy vegans), and that absolutely broke my heart.

I guess I got old and am not very punk anymore, so Gilman rarely does shows that I care about, but I still like to listen to the old stuff that used to capture my imagination in high school. I wore out my Shit Split cassette and all my Crimpshrine 45s.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 15 April 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with Sissy Punk? I find it kind of endearing.
I'm not down with those ignorant Jello Beaters.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I like sissies as much as the next guy, but if you got the chance to meet G.G. Allin and he was like "Hey buddy, want a bite of my tofu burrito? Want a clove cigarette?" ... I mean, that would be at least slightly disappointing, wouldn't it?

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

it's an all ages club, how hardcore can it get?

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

god I can't imagine ever eating a tofu burrito

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

There would almost certainly be a hidden ingredient in GG's tofu-burrito (I wouldn't take a bite if I were you). But you're indicating the very elements that make this genre&thread a geographically and temporally defined thing. GG was East Coast, and his brand of violence was cold & hard, like the East Coast! These Northern Cali punks wore shorts and ate tofu, and that was authentic to them. Plus, the sunshine was favorable upon their constitutions, which made the music more fun as a result.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)

so emo

Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

how old are you?

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

These Northern Cali punks wore shorts and ate tofu, and that was authentic to them. Plus, the sunshine was favorable upon their constitutions, which made the music more fun as a result.

This is all true, but you are ignoring the fact that I was pretty stupid when I was in high school.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Hi Harvey!

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

Hey pal. Cometbus is so emo. Disgusting.

Mr. Harvey Weinstein (mr harvey weinstein), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

There should be a Cometbus movie! With Jude Law, Nicole Kidman and Gwyneth Paltrow!

Samuel Glickstein (nordicskilla), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

...casting Elijah Wood & the other hobbits as Crimpshrine.

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Ah, yesss..

other venues from back in the day...mid 1980's

New Method in E-ville, right by jug liquor. pre-gilman thing that died after a COC show went wrong and the space was flooded. I remember the story was that some kids were hanging on pipes and they broke. great venue.

the ice cream parlor on Adeline near Alcatraz, where you could get ice cream AND pizza and see some hardcore bands play on the floor. Not far from the classic Alcatel Liquors minigolf-skate spot.

promoters like the DMR girls (where is Carol now??) put on some of the best damn shows in the bay area at Ruthies and other east bay spots. Ruthies was awesome. Barrington hall was insane. La Pena community center in berkeley had killer shows with bands like Fang, Special Forces, etc. berkeley heathen scum.

club foot in SF was still rocking into the mid 80's with bands like clown alley, helios creed, ludivico technique, crash and burn, and short dogs grow. more of a sf thing, but a good scene.

the Farm in SF, where you could see a million great bands in an afternoon, but have to deal with skinheads and pay the high price of 10 dollars admission. at least it wasn't the Stone though.

curfew shows at the Mab in SF, where I met all the other suburban high school hardcore kids who could get there by BART and get home before the buses stopped running.

various suburban community centers all around the bay, from davis to santa cruz, and everywhere in between. It really was DIY. the first show I ever went to was in fairfield or something. it was The Dicks, the Crucifucks, the Pukes, and some other local band. (too long ago to recall). there were about 50 people there.


mike sperry (ghost nuts), Friday, 15 April 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

The Dicks (originally from Austin, TX btw) are the best band mentioned on this thread so far.

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 15 April 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

OTM, and I've only heard "Dicks Hate The Police". What's that comp like?

Ben Dot (1977), Saturday, 16 April 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)

The Dicks were from Texas, but they moved to the BAY AREA in the mid 80's. There were other bands moving to the bay area from texas at the time, including MDC, DRI, and the Rhythm Pigs.

you can get all the best Dicks recordings on the "1980-1985" comp on alternative tentacles.

mike sperry (ghost nuts), Saturday, 16 April 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

I think some of the best Dicks are on ILM, in this thread.
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What's up Mike Sperry! You were in inspiration to younger kids around in the day.
(AC Transit, C & 42 Bus).

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Saturday, 16 April 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

For what it's worth, I thought the Rhythm pigs were a very underrated band. All those Texan bands were. It's weird that many of them gravitated to SF. As far as I'm aware they didn't know each other. Come to think of it though, it's probably a nicer place to be a musician than say Houston, where I recall DRI were from.

hull hole (hull hole), Saturday, 16 April 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)


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