Artists who "get political" and are not preaching to the converted

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Not overtly leftist until recently true, but it dawned on me that Bruce Springsteen has a HUGE amount of fans, if not a solid majority, that are very conservative. Unlike say, Anti-Flag who are screaming to a bunch of kids who walked in the door nodding, it seems like he's talking to people who might not want to listen.

Anyone else?!

^, Monday, 25 April 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

U2 - and Prince (to a lesser degree)

Jedmond (Jedmond), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Dixie Chicks

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't think most fans of "the boss" are that conservative, at least not in the american right-wing christian ralph reed sense.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Green Day.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Probably more likely to happen by an artist from the right.

Mark (MarkR), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Travis Morrison spoke out in favor of the Iraq debacle war, didn't he?

Telephonething, Monday, 25 April 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Garth Brooks: "We Shall Be Free"

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Monday, 25 April 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

i don't think most fans of "the boss" are that conservative, at least not in the american right-wing christian ralph reed sense.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), April 25th, 2005.

In a Staten Island/Jersey sort of old fashioned sense; the type that think of most liberals as rich and over educated, I definitely think so. Judging from the type of people I've met who scream "Play some BRUUUCCCEEE" to guitar players at restaurants.

^, Monday, 25 April 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Are they still buying his records though?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 25 April 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Only when he's urging them to come on up for a rirsing.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 25 April 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

eminem?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 25 April 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

i don't think of staten islanders or jersey-ans as all that conservative (tho yeah the former votes republican).

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 25 April 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Tom Waits; More for how he addresses politics (the critique is intense and pointed in its own way but it's expressed with very personal, small strokes)
of course it's hard to know what his "fan base" consists of(especially since he never plays shows) but I wouldn't imagine it's bound by politics all that much.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Monday, 25 April 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

I can't but hope that all the suburban teens that listened to PE records for the beats back in 88-92 actually gained some lasting impression from the lyrical content. I certainly know I did.

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

The reason Bruce appeals to conservatives is probably because his whole maleness/machismo archetype is pretty conservative.

Lethal Dizzle (djdee2005), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Initial Bikini Kill shows were pretty intense as far as active debate went...

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Surely Springsteen's hard-working man continually browbeaten by corporations and criminals schtick is a lot more popular-left than conservative?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Laibach

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

..at times

donut debonair (donut), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

xypost:
stadiums full of people are more popular with conservatives than liberals (elitism, remember?)

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

that's only because FDR didn't want the crowd to see his braces

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Surely Springsteen's hard-working man continually browbeaten by corporations and criminals schtick is a lot more popular-left than conservative?

Only in a narrow sense, Dom. Surely a classic conservative, distrustful of any sort of large-scale interference in private affairs, fits that definition.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 25 April 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

i don't think most fans of "the boss" are that conservative, at least not in the american right-wing christian ralph reed sense.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), April 25th, 2005.

No, but a fair number of them might be the type that think Amadou Diallo "must have done something wrong."

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 25 April 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Don't Bruce's conservative fans like to comfort themselves with the face value of his renderings of "salt of the earth" - type working-class Americans, rather than sifting through the allegory and social criticism that lurks just below the surface? Case in point: The employment of "Born in the USA" as the theme for Reagan's successful 1984 reelection campaign. Such fans then get upset when Bruce aligns his his invective more directly, as was the case with Amadou Diallo and the "41 Shots" song.

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Monday, 25 April 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

I suppose you could argue Minor Threat...as I doubt most of the hardcore scene has ever been straight edge...

Steve Earle.

Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 25 April 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

the grateful dead were hippies (though not really political -- except maybe during the late 60s when being a hippy was a political statement by itself). and i know no small number of right-wing deadheads. make of that what you will.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

i doubt that, had i been old enough to do so, i would've gotten rid of my copy of station to station after david bowie's nazi-salute thing.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

Such fans then get upset when Bruce aligns his his invective more directly, as was the case with Amadou Diallo and the "41 Shots" song.

-- Yngwie AlmsteenMay (stgert...), April 25th, 2005.

Uh, yeah, that's the point of the thread. NOT preaching to the converted.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

i don't think most fans of "the boss" are that conservative, at least not in the american right-wing christian ralph reed sense.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), April 25th, 2005.

No, but a fair number of them might be the type that think Amadou Diallo "must have done something wrong."

-- Hurting

maybe, i dunno. the one time i saw him play i didn't think there was an avid amount of people in the 65k+ united center booing his political songs.

also, "born to run" was not used as reagan's theme song as bruce wouldn't allow it.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

"born to run" was not used as reagan's theme song.."

It was "Born in the USA," but only insofar as they could get away with using it without Bruce's permission. After all, if I throw a party, I can play any old song I want to for my guests, as long it is music that has been officially released into the public sphere. Bruce, needless to say, was none too happy with this.

Yngwie AlmsteenMay (sgertz), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

almost all of them at some point! audiences get pretty freaked out by politics across the board, in my experience

jones (actual), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

OTOH, I'd guess that at least some of the working class Bruce fan-base *gets* the Vietnam thing in Born in the USA.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

also the bands you imagine are preaching to the converted probably turn off at least as many people as they turn on, but those non-fans are somehow never calculated into this.

jones (actual), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

i'm sorry, it was "born in the usa" you're right but springsteen specifically forbate the reagan campaign from using it.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

and no, to play songs in public at a campaign rally does not come anywhere close to being like a private party. licensing, y'know.

(CNN) -- In the heart of his 1984 re-election campaign, Ronald Reagan made a speech in Hammonton, New Jersey, and took the opportunity to invoke the name of one of the Garden State's favorite sons.

"America's future rests in a thousand dreams inside our hearts," the president said. "It rests in the message of hope in the songs of a man so many young Americans admire: New Jersey's own Bruce Springsteen."

Reagan -- or his speechwriter -- was likely thinking of one song in particular: "Born in the U.S.A.," the title cut from Springsteen's No. 1 album of the time. The song, with Max Weinberg's thunderous drums, Roy Bittan's glittery keyboards and an anthemic chorus, was impossible to avoid that year: "Born in the U.S.A., I was born in the U.S.A. ..."

But look deeper, and there was another dimension to "Born in the U.S.A." The song was the ferocious cry of an unemployed Vietnam veteran.

"Down in the shadow of the penitentiary/Out by the gas fires of the refinery/I'm 10 years burning down the road/Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go," Springsteen sang in a working-class howl.

The singer wasn't amused by Reagan's appropriation of his work.

"I think people have a need to feel good about the country they live in," he later told Rolling Stone. "But what's happening, I think, is that that need -- which is a good thing -- is getting manipulated and exploited. You see in the Reagan election ads on TV, you know, 'It's morning in America,' and you say, 'Well, it's not morning in Pittsburgh.' "

The singer, who spent much of 1984 on a huge concert tour, dedicated "Born in the U.S.A." to a union local at one stop.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

but reagan being reagan he did it anyway.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

You see in the Reagan election ads on TV, you know, 'It's morning in America,' and you say, 'Well, it's not morning in Pittsburgh.' "

BOSS OTM

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, though. He's sharp. He should be working for someone's campaign. You know he thought of that one in advance, and it's such a pitch-perfect choice -- Pittsburgh. Even the sound of the name of the town conveys the message, not to mention the images of closed up steel plants, and the way it's claimed by both East and Midwest.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Not overtly leftist until recently true,

though he never openly stumped for candidates until recently, the boss has been overtly leftist almost from the start. no nukes, anti-war, anti-corporation, pro-union, blah blah blah. but he's always had a mixed audience because his best songs have never been about his politics. he's a storyteller, and you don't have to agree with his politics to like his stories and identify with his characters.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 05:31 (twenty years ago)

uh, hurting, springsteen toured for kerry's campaign -- but you knew that right?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 05:41 (twenty years ago)

Yes I knew that. But I mean I think he should help out with messaging, speeches, etc.

xpost -- Springsteen's politics are kind of a mix of leftist and straight blue-collar democrat. I think it's a sign of the shift in politics here that "pro-union" gets lumped in with a bunch of other lefty stuff, when it used to seem much more mainstream and centrist.

But I think you're right about the storytelling. At bottom, people identify with the guy Bruce Sprinsteen comes accross as, and he identifies with them through his songs.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

In the arena bathroom in Milwaukee, pissing during yet another song from Greendale, the drunk guy down the urinals goes to me, "Don't you just wish Neil'd stop playing all this political bullshit and get on with the radio tunes? Know what I mean?" I feel weird talking to strangers while peeing. I nodded though because I'm not the hugest Greendale fan, but I got a kick out of the idea of thousands of Bush voting Neil fans, paying to hear "Like a Hurricane" or whatever, getting Greendale in its entirety instead.

He's a complicated one, that Neil, from supporting Reagan at the beginning of the 80s (was that just a joke?) to "Rocking in the Free World" at the end of the 80s, to Are You Passionate? (I swear "Let's Role" is sarcastic), to a full blown 'fuck Bush' musical revue for his last album.

toothy philanthropist, Tuesday, 26 April 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

Bruce Country in New Jersey (white, shore) definitely votes Republican.

Dixie Chicks count; not so sure about Steve Earle (it's been a decade at least since he had any "country" fan base).

In places where politics matter more, it may be easier to find examples. Rachid Taha is pretty direct in his opposition to Islamism and rejection of democracy in the Arab world, and I would guess that a good portion of Khaled's audience was uncomfortable with the feminist message of "Aicha". On the other side of the divide, Chava Alberstein is waaay to the left of all but an infinitesimal fragment of the Israeli political spectrum.

Vornado (Vornado), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

What about the Manic Street Preachers? Overtly political lyrics, regardless of your opinion of them. But, post-Richey, playing to arenas, of what in the most part I'd say, of the apolitical.

Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Bob Marley

Pradaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Bruce Country in New Jersey (white, shore) definitely votes Republican.

Absolutely right. I think where some people on this thread might be getting things wrong also is assuming 1) that Republicans are a monolith, and that 2) People are incapable of overlooking anything that clashes with their politics even if it's in the context of many other things they identify with.

Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

More religious than political. Otherwise, Bob Dylan as a fundamentalist Christian from 1978 until 1981 fits perfectly into this thread.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

"Bob Marley
-- Pradaismus (dadaismu...), April 26th, 2005."

Pradaismus OTM. There is so much homophobia and sexism in Rastafarian doctrine that would appall the hippie fanbase.

Except that, now that I think about it, Bob's audience nowadays is probably heavily fratty. Or like in that scene in "Kicking and Screaming" where the guy grabs the acoustic at the party and starts playing "Buffalo Soldier" and all the girls start to swoon.

On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

i dunno whether dylan's "neighborhood bully" -- a bit of likudnik horseshit from his born-again days -- was NOT preaching to the choir.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

Bill Gates, Bono drink beer, smoke down, talk policy together after U2 concert

j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 26 April 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)


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