Why does it take bands so long to release albums these days?

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When did this fucking annoying trend start? I mean, the Beatles went from the Backstreet Boys to Radiohead -- and created the greatest legacy in popular music -- in a span of about 5 years. CCR put out about 20 canon-esque singles in 3 or 4 years. And so on. Why do the Radioheads/Coldplays/Timberlakes/what-have-yous feel they need 2, 3, 4 years between releases?

It irks me.

PB, Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Those tours are important, my friend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

Contractual obligations/lack of promotion $$$/higher standards and/or cost of recording.

Etc.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Then again, there are the likes of Ted Leo, who has released three great records in four years, and tours like a mofo.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Mainly promotion.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Ah yes.....i know that the Beatles stopped touring early on, but didn't the Stones/CCRs/Hendrices/et al tour just as much as Sigur Ros, or Mogwai, or Outkast, or any on these guys today?

PB, Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

Also, the sheer NUMBER of bands working today requires that they give each other some breathing room. Imagine how many albums we'd be inundated with if current bands kept up the '60s release pace. Interpol would be on their fifth LP right now. Franz Ferdinand would be entering their studio-hermit "experimental" phase roughly two months from now.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

Ask Prince.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Contractual obligations/lack of promotion $$$/higher standards and/or cost of recording.

Has this changed since the '60s/'70s?

PB, Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

what about ryan adams?

prince, admittedly in the 80s, released an album more or less every year and toured behind every one too.

ppp, Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

They squeeze every last penny out of an album now with re-releases, 'tour editions', e.t.c.

Bands on smaller labels tend to have a faster output.

Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

CCR put out about 20 canon-esque singles in 3 or 4 years.

That kind of says it all, doesn't it? If acts today were able to make a living on the backs of their singles, rather than albums (where the majority ends up being filler anyway), they could progress faster rather than recording albums with little internal variation.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

if this year's baffling amount of 2-disc-plussers represents an actual trend, it seems bands will disappear for a bit, vomit up as much product as possible for a year, then sneak back into the night. except for Adams, who is a true tune bulimic.

christ AC/DC is saying they may put out a double album this year. AC/DC. 2005.

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

and joseph OTM re: glut

miccio (miccio), Sunday, 5 June 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Imagine how many albums we'd be inundated with if current bands kept up the '60s release pace. Interpol would be on their fifth LP right now. Franz Ferdinand would be entering their studio-hermit "experimental" phase roughly two months from now.

This is a bad thing?

With long waits it discourages experimentation and going in new directions and Franz's new album is sure to be more or less a sequel to the first instead of something really new (note: unless they release some revelation of an album, in which case this post will be used for ironic purposes in future threads)

I'd rather hear Franz's "studio experiment" album than what they'll likely release next. Wouldn't you?

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

Well I'm glad this glut wasn't present in the 60s, or it would have gone something like::

1963: Please Please Me
1965: Twist and Shout EP
1966: With The Beatles
1969: A Hard Day's Night (with Yoko in the movie)
1970: breakup
1972: Beatles for Sale sessions
1974: Paul's Yesterday album, Ringo's Act Naturally album, etc.

Curt (cgould), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:21 (twenty years ago)

I admit, I'd wanna see that version of A Hard Day's Night.

Curt (cgould), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

"I'd rather hear Franz's "studio experiment" album than what they'll likely release next. Wouldn't you?"

well i give some credit to the white stripes at least for releasing their new album, unfinished and feotal as it seems likely to be.

ppp, Monday, 6 June 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

well the trick would be for bands to bother to write and practice without releasing product. or maybe putting out mp3s and only releasing best-ofs of their glut on CD.

miccio (miccio), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)

....took 'em two years, though, for two weeks in the studio.

PB, Monday, 6 June 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

well, d'angelo to thread. its only been what, almost six years since his SECOND album.

ppp, Monday, 6 June 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

What I don't get is the delay between having a hot single and capitalizing on it. The Rapture are the first one that comes to mind, a 13+ month delay between having a breakout hit and releasing an album just seems like bad business.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 6 June 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

diff audience expectations - rock audiences and critics seem to get in a tizz and makea big fuss about there being one album per year these days. they seem to expect rock bands to go away for ever and come back with a masterplan as it looks like they make more effort or whatever.

as stated in that other thread, hip hop and dancehall audiences seem not to give a shit, and expect their stars to maintain constant presence of some sort.

ppp, Monday, 6 June 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

Because CDs are longer than records.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Monday, 6 June 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

Unless they're on Domino.

snotty moore, Monday, 6 June 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather hear the Swinging Blue Jeans in a damp tent at Butlins Minehead on a freezing Sunday morning in November 1986 than ANYTHING that Franz Ferdinand might or might not record (preferably the latter).

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 6 June 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

I am a bit surprised that none of you guys mention the obvious reason. The fact that the record companies will now withhold albums that have been finished for months, just to release them at what they think is the "right" time. This is the reason for all those P2P leeks, which would never had happened had albums been released at the stage where they were finished.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 6 June 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

Geir is on the right track. At the true mass-market level, there is a tremendous distribution/promotion bottleneck. Four (maybe) majors; three (maybe) radio consortia; one TV channel. They are only willing to push x releases in the same genre at a time, and there is only room at radio and MTV for that push to succeed with (x-n) releases, so, even with slimmed-down artist rosters, that requires a queue. (Also -- how many records can Tom Lord-Alge master into indistinguishability per week?)

Recording and manufacturing costs have gone DOWN, not up, of course (although the cheapness of recording leads people to do a lot more of it per song), but advances and promotion costs are significantly larger than they were in the 60s and 70s. The major-level industry is configured to try to make every release deemed significant multi-platinum, and that generally takes some period of time to accomplish. Plus, there is a fear of having a new release cannibalize sales of an existing release (a fear that successful bands may share, since if release 1 has recouped a release 1 sale is more valuable for the band than a release 2 sale will be).

This seems terribly wrong in so many ways -- terrible for artistic development, terrible for the artists' careers and their wallets. Luckily, it does not really affect the indie sector at all, and release schedules there are really not so far off where they were in the 70s.

All of that said, everyone -- the Beatles (individually), the Stones, Neil Young, Dylan etc. -- seems to slow down the pace of new releases after some initial period. Sleater-Kinney went from releasing a record a year to releasing a record every 3 years, and none of the foregoing issues had anything to do with it. The reasons were all personal and artistic. That is just one of the ways Ryan Adams is bizarre -- by the end of this year he will have sustained a release-plus-per-year pace for over a decade, and a Beatlesesque (in quantity, if not quality) 10 new material releases in the past 6 years.

Vornado, Monday, 6 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Recording and manufacturing costs have gone DOWN, not up

Recording costs for "bands" (ie, not for dance and hiphop producer/artists) have definitely not gone down.

Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 6 June 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Will Oldham puts out an album every second thursday.
I like Will Oldham. I don't buy Will Oldham records anymore. I don't even follow them.

william fields, Monday, 6 June 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

>The Rapture are the first one that comes to mind, a 13+ month delay between having a breakout hit and releasing an album just seems like bad business.

This wasn't their fault, though; it was label idiocy, right?

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

well the trick would be for bands to bother to write and practice without releasing product.

So OTM it hurts.

Also, singles. Singles are the answer. You have a great song - don't sit on it and write 7 tracks of filler. Put it out. Then, chances are, for your next single you'd be tempted to, say, change the drum kit. So this regime subtly encourages experimentation and growth.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

if release 1 has recouped a release 1 sale is more valuable for the band than a release 2 sale will be

Oh, I never thought of it this way. A sad but great point.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 6 June 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

But only partly true. The cost of continuing to market release 1 to a new audience (TV ads etc) might well cost more than the initial campaign with release 2.
However your original post was well argued and intelligent. Are you sure you're in the right place?

snotty moore, Monday, 6 June 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

P2P leeks

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The Father of Honky-Crunk (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 6 June 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)


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