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Does anyone know anything about these? As far as I know, they've been remastered, but are not SACD hybrids like the first batch. Is that correct?

Is the packaging going to be similar to the first group, where every album has it's own "color" and everything? Just wondering.

― Christian, Thursday, 16 June 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

NEW new Can reissues?

Are the remasters from a few months ago already "like, sooooo a few months ago"?

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

It will be like the R. Kelly saga..

there will be new Can reissues released every week for a month, in single CD formats. it's so rad.

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Um...what?

― Christian, Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

My point!

(What albums are getting reissued? This is only the fourth(?) time the CDs got reprinted I think? It's hard to keep up.)

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

christian, they aren't new, and i'm pretty sure there is a thread on the remasters already.

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm referring to the Future Days, Soon Over Babaluma, Unlimited Edition, and Landed reissues that are coming out June 28th...

― Christian, Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

Unlimited Edition? I swore Flow Motion was the fourth(?) Wow, OK.

June 28th. The day my wallet will die. (Same day as The Fall's Complete Peel Sessions box)

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure this recent run of reissues is the only one of the - three? four? - actually mastered from the original tapes, by the band itself.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:29 (twenty years ago)

the ege bamyasi remaster blows the old CD version away. I look forward to all of these.

― cheeses haitch christ (haitch), Thursday, 16 June 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Aren't the vinyl remasters for the FIRST four supposed to come out as well as the CD ones for these next four?

― donut e-goo (donut), Friday, 17 June 2005 00:15 (twenty years ago)

Can - finally remastered

― Keppt It Tidy, Friday, 17 June 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

I've been obsessed with 'Deadlock' for 6 months now

― Die Emanzipation von Baaderonixx (redukt) (Fabfunk), Friday, 17 June 2005 09:06 (twenty years ago)

From Mute's website:

Can - 4 More Remastered Titles - Available June 28th
Can release remastered versions of their classic albums "Future Days", "Landed", "Soon Over Babaluma" and "Unlimited Edition" on The Grey Area of Mute/Spoon on June 28, 2005.

This is the second phase of remastered releases by the band as they set about recovering the original master tapes and restoring the sound to how it originally was on the Vinyl releases and how they were always intended to sound.

The remastering from the original master tapes were again overseen and attended by Holger Czkay, Irmin Schmidt and Jono Podmore.

These releases all feature new sleeve notes and rarely seen photography from the personal Can archive, as well as original artwork from long deleted editions.

Can were formed by two ex-students of Stockhausen, Holger Czukay and Irmin Schmidt, who, fired by the sounds of Jimi Hendrix, Captain Beefheart and The Velvet Underground, abandoned their careers in academia to form a group which could utilize and transcend all boundaries of ethnic, electronic experimental and modern classical music.

It is this music's total and complete ambiguity - a persuasive ambiguity - that has given it such staying power, and it all merits explaining, but doesn't really need explaining and probably shouldn't be explained, not any more than has been attempted before. The best thing you or anyone can do is to clean out your ears, shake off your biases and listen, not for something you recognize, not to reaffirm what you know and believe, not to be consoled or cajoled, but for something that is uniquely Can and nothing more.

All four remastered CD releases will also play on SACD players and SACD compatible DVD players.

These releases follow the recent success of the first four remastered editions "Tago Mago", "Monster Movie", "Ege Bamyasi" and "Soundtracks".

― Jonathan (Jonathan), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh no! I need Future Days and Babaluma!

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

Sweet. I'm more psyched than I should be for Unlimited Edition, but that's because my copy's fucked and I really really really wanna hear "Doko E," "Princess & the Ukraine King" and "Connection" again. Isn't there some fabled 30 minute version of "Doko E" floating around somewhere?

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 17 June 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

what about mother upduff?

― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Has Mute's website updated the so-called fact that David Gilmore samg and played on "I want more"?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

david gilmour? or just some other dude named david gilmore?

― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Well, I just looked and now it says nothing about Peter Gilmore. Who was the correct name.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 17 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

DOES NOT PLAY ON MY STEREO.

― Intarnet Dude, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

sounds like you need a new stereo, stat

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

You might need to be careful about where you put the needle on it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Can I return it if I tell the dude it doesn't play on my stereos?

Or will they tell me to take it up with the industry and fuck off?

― Intarnet Dude, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

They might omit the "take it up with the industry" part.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm going to do it. I don't see how they can refuse me.

― Intarnet Dude, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

A number of stores took back copy protected CDs if they didn't work on someone's stereos/walkmans/whatever. I don't think you'll have a problem.

― Jonathan (Jonathan), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

Mute is hardcore with the copyright shit.

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Wow, the guy at the record store was a complete moron. Either that, or he was programmed not to admit anything when this issue comes up. He wouldn't give me a refund. He put it in the store stereo and it worked and said I would need to prove to him that it didn't work, so I asked him if he'd like me to bring down my boombox (portable) and he said, "but it might be your radio that's going" to which I said, "It's brand new, I just got it for my birthday," to which he said, "but it still might be going," to which I said, "No, it plays every other CD I own." So, then he said all he could advise me to do was get a friend who had the same CD and see if my radio will play it. So then I said, "of course it won't work, it's the SACD or the copy protection or something" and his response was "all SACD means is that it will work on that type of system" and so I asked, "then, it's the copy control?" He responded, "that just means you can't copy it." We went around for a while and I finally asked him, "Am I speaking English? Why aren't you understanding me? I just want to know what to look for." He said, "Man, you got your money..." (because he bought it back from me for $10, but wouldn't give me the full $15) and I said, "I know, it's not about that, I'm just wondering what to look for so it doesn't happen again." His final response was, "They're not going to make a CD that doesn't work." I perked up and said, "Yes, they do. It just happened to a friend of mine with the Dead 60s CD because of the copy protection. That's on Mute, too. Is it just a Mute Records thing?"

I was just trying to figure out if it was the copy protection, which was not listed anywhere on the disc, or the SACD feature which proudly declares that it will also play with SACD systems and most DVD players.

I guess it's the copy protection and I guess the copy protection is not listed because it's an import? That's what the record store jackass said, anyway, although he wouldn't admit that it even had copy protection straight out.

It's not a big deal, just annoying. I guess I am just more determined than ever to buy used CDs, rip 'em and trade 'em back in. Most of the bands I like are long broken up anyway.

― Intarnet Dude, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone had problems copying these CDs, despite the "copy protection"?

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

eac makes "copy protection" pointless

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I've copied these new Can discs without problems.

― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

i'm a dolt. i'm not up on my acronyms. EAC? (is that just a name for an Audiograbber type program.)

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

eac = www.exactaudiocopy.de/

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

best ripping software out there
get LAME to plug in for an encoder and you're all set to make the best mp3s money can buy :)

― rentboy (rentboy), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

any spyware issues with eac?

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Can your boombox play MP3s burned to CDs? That's been an occasional problem with my CD player, with is also a DVD/MP3-player. It reads copy-protected discs the same way a computer does (i.e. it doesn't read them).

― Mark (MarkR), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

It's not that I couldn't find a way around the problem. I figured I could rip the CD somehow and just basically steal the music. But, I just didn't want to. I heard it on my computer and it didn't sound different/great enough for me to bother. It's bullshit that I should pay extra for something that doesn't work, so I just wanted to get my money back. So, yes, I lost $5 and I didn't even copy the CD, which in many people's eyes probably makes me the extreme loser, but the fact is that I don't really care about the Remaster after having heard it. I would have held onto it if it worked. I also wanted to see what the store would do and what they could tell me about this copy-protection stuff. Turns out, it appears they won't tell you much and expect you to buy a new player, I guess. Can't blame them because those stores are obviously hurting BADLY. However, the whole process has made me even more unlikely to support the music industry and the bands... because now I fear paying full price for a copy-protected disc. Before this, it was bad enough to just pay full price! Now, they can fuckin' forget it entirely.

― Intarnet Dude, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what? Mute is copy-protecting its stuff now? That's horrible. The most recent Mute release I've gotten is the remastered Soundtracks, and I didn't have any problems with it...

― Telephonething (Telephonething), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

sorry, but, if copyprotection is not mentioned, it should be NOT copyprotected!! An import?? from usa, uk or europe?
also have this new batch the same round cd case as the fist 4?

― frankeinsten, Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

For the record, ripping music onto one's computer is not violating copyright protection... as long as that music doesn't leave the computer, so I'm in the huge masses of the pissed-off at labels who interpret "copyright protection" as "computer proof".. which is turning out to be "consumer proof" as time passes. Thank god most copyright protection schemes fail.

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Then again, I have a wav editor and an audio in to my sound card, so if I REALLY wanted to digitize something onto the 'puter, i could. It's about as much hassle as recording vinyl onto cassettes, which was half my life in high school anyway, so.. *shrug*

― donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Wednesday, 13 July 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...

Ege Bamyasi has always been my favourite. But I've been listening to Tago Mago numerous times of late and feel as if my religious convictions are being questioned.

What if I were to buy the reissue like, tomorrow? Just because.

― Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Friday, 7 April 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

DUDE DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE
MOONEY > SUZUKI

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 7 April 2006 04:46 (twenty years ago)

This album influenced The Fall, New Order and John Lydon. What the hell else could you want from a band, anyway, than that?

― Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Friday, 7 April 2006 04:47 (twenty years ago)

What do the panel think of Unlimited Edition?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 April 2006 06:56 (twenty years ago)

There was a really good thread about "Unlim" that I started, something about wanting to throw it away and people defending it. But I can't find it!

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 April 2006 07:27 (twenty years ago)

Just found it:
Can - finally remastered

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 April 2006 07:29 (twenty years ago)

MOONEY > SUZUKI

oh, petesmith.

― haitch (haitch), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:19 (twenty years ago)

This album influenced The Fall, New Order and John Lydon

Why does this matter?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Also, how do you know it did?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

pete you got memed bro

― ZR (teenagequiet), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

suzuki never did anything as gorgeous as the vocals on future days.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

by which i mean, mooney never did... blah blah ugh.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

i think i like loud/dirty/hypnotic can better than woogily/gorgeous/hypnotic can these days. i mean, OBV i like both a ton.

and i know ive brought this up before, but dude if i could hear mooney versions of suzuki songs and vice versa, that would rule.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Of course he didn't because he was doing a totally different thing in a markedly different band (xpost)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:38 (twenty years ago)

I mean, for that matter, Suzuki never did anything like "Mother Upduff"!!!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

"You Doo Right" basically slays everything Suzuki ever did

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

we've definitely had this conversation sixty times before, but i could see suzuki doing mooney songs about twenty times easier than the reverse. BUT BROS WE ALL LOVE CAN LET'S NOT FITE EH?

― ZR (teenagequiet), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

The whole point is the music is different BECAUSE of the singers

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)

The whole point is the music is different BECAUSE of the singers

-- Dadaismus (dadaismu...), April 7th, 2006.

also because they just got smoother and smoother as their career progressed!

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 7 April 2006 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I got the Tago Mago reissue! And Unlimited Edition too! Real happy about that cause last time I wanted it I couldn't find it in any stores around here.

― Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Friday, 7 April 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

This album influenced The Fall, New Order and John Lydon

Why does this matter?

It matters because I love all these folks! How do I know? Well, New Order chose "Mushroom" for their Back To Mine compilation, John Lydon mentioned in his book that it was one of his favourite albums early on and aside from Mark E. Smith mentioning Can numerous times, The Fall's "I Am Damo Suzuki" sounds suspiciously modeled on the song "Oh Yeah".

― Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Friday, 7 April 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

wouldnt it be awesome to hear 1971 mooney sing "paperhouse"?

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Those Mooney songs on Unlimited Edition are pretty special.

― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I was just going to say...I'm up to "Connection" & "Fall of Another Year" now. And I see no need for there to be a Mooney/Suzuki war. Apples and oranges, folks.

― Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Those Mooney songs on Unlimited Edition are pretty special.

Are these the same ones that were on Incandescence?

― sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I'd never heard of incandescence, but I just looked it up and yes, those songs are on Unlimited Edition (Empress and the Ukraine King, Mother Upduff).

― Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah those were good, too. I think I like most of it in fact, except those E.F.S. things bug me sometimes.

― Porcupine Kiss, Novacaine Lips (Bimble...), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Just for the public record, I'm a Mooney fella - not just as a singer but I prefer that (brief) Can era. The weird aggro of Monster Movie is a thing of beauty indeed.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

So... any news on remasters for Flow Motion, Saw Delight, Can, Rite Time, and/or an singles/oddities comp (that would have "Turtles Have Short Legs")?

I realize the classic material has been covered now, and that these might not sell as well, wishful thinking, etc.

― DOQQUN (donut), Friday, 7 April 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

I got a SACD player today. I wasn't planning to but my CD player (which I've had for oh god, over 10 years) had finally become nearly unusable and all of a sudden it occured to me - why keep putting up with it? Why not just finally go get a new one? Yeah! So then I found an SACD player that was much more affordable than I expected. So then I got almost all the other Can CD's I needed.

― I Don't Believe in Bacteria (Bimble...), Sunday, 16 July 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

Also another thing was while I was out looking for a CD player I passed a guy with a Can Future Days shirt on. Yes I did. But I didn't say anything to him and I wish I had.

― I Don't Believe in Bacteria (Bimble...), Sunday, 16 July 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

i hear those bob dylan sacd's are pretty schweet.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Sunday, 16 July 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

I do dearly hope my good friend grimly fiendish never hears you say that.

― I Don't Believe in Bacteria (Bimble...), Sunday, 16 July 2006 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

No one cares how brilliant Can were these days, it's a tradgedy.

― I Don't Believe in Bacteria (Bimble...), Sunday, 16 July 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

I gotta break out my tape of Unlimited Edition. I haven't listened to "Fall of Another Year" in a long time - forgot about that one.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 16 July 2006 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

No one cares how brilliant Can were these days, it's a tradgedy.

This is a myth.

― the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 16 July 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

(listened to soundtracks today, and ege bamyasi earlier in the week...)

― the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 16 July 2006 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

if no-one cared about can, they wouldn't be getting SACD reissues!

― so hongro, so angry (haitch), Sunday, 16 July 2006 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

I finally picked up a few of the non essentials from Fopp. they were soundtracks for £5 and rite time and Flowmotion for £7.

I'm liking rite time more than I thought I should.

its a shame that all the other reissues seem to be back up to the £13 mark.

If they were still about £7 each, I would probably just take a deep breath and complete the set.

its not like they're going to be bad is it???

― Hamildan, Thursday, 4 June 2009 13:58 (sixteen years ago)

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