Electronic, "Get The Message" - C/D?

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A sequel to the Londonbeat/Soho thread from a few days ago; I'm compiling a 1991 CD-R.

Anyway, the song that introduced me to New Order. This and "Getting away With It" might be the most charming vocals of Barney's career. The simplicity of Johnny Marr's guitar hook married to the synth-strings always astonishes me. It hasn't aged one bit.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

You're right, the first Electronic album hasn't aged too much -- I assume this can't be said for their second album, IIRC, those beats were dated the second the album was released.

Classic -- I can't imagine there will be too many duds on this thread. Maybe we can talk about where "Electronic" would rank among the New Order albums.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

I disagree on the dating of the second album. If anything, the first relies on some pretty standard programmed and sampled beats while the second is largely live drums. First album still has more great songs though.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

Also, I like the beats more on the first album (but they're still easier to "date").

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Relistening to the first album, I was struck by how Marr and Sumner add their respective specialities (the former's melodic acumen and way with a groove, the latter's low boredom threshold and ear for hooks) to what are pretty standard acid-house tracks. My favorite non-classic is "Some Distant Memory," whose production and arrangement (a live oboe solo doubling a synth!) evoke the wistfulness of the title and lyrics.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, the song that introduced me to New Order.

Wow. I feel old now, thanks.

Anyway, I've mentioned this song on other threads:

'Choons that have it all!
is "getting away with it" by electronic the best end-of-the-night song ever?
New Order - Technique
Taking Sides: Pet Shop Boys vs. New Order

It's one of the greatest songs ever written.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 11 July 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

My favorite non-classic is "Some Distant Memory," whose production and arrangement (a live oboe solo doubling a synth!) evoke the wistfulness of the title and lyrics.

Yes. And for all the grief that Barney takes for his lyrics, I find the first line of "Some Distant Memory" -- "I don't know, if we could get lost in a city this size if we wanted to" -- just amazingly good.

brittle-lemon, Tuesday, 12 July 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

HUGE classic, as is the entirety of the album that spawned it.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 01:07 (twenty years ago)

the best song on that album by some distance, but still no classic.

Borders on it, I suppose. Great video.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

CDR700MB Go! 1991 -- "we won" "now ew"

donuty! donuti! donuté! (donut), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

My favorite non-classic is "Some Distant Memory," whose production and arrangement (a live oboe solo doubling a synth!) evoke the wistfulness of the title and lyrics.

Thirded. I was obsessed by that oboe part, and what it seemed to say about life, as a wistful 16-year old...

Baaderonixx le Belge (Fabfunk), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)

It's a shame Electronic didn't do more PSB collaborations. "Patience Of A Saint" is lovely.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 06:51 (twenty years ago)

As is 'disappointed', possibly the best thing any of them released in the 90's.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

"I listen to my wallet, dance with you.."

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

"Thirded. I was obsessed by that oboe part, and what it seemed to say about life, as a wistful 16-year old... "

I'm still obsessed with it.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

Some Distant Memory, yeah! I think Get the Message is my 3rd or 4th favourite track on the album. This thread convinves me that I've gotta listen to it again.

gspm (gspm), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

I listened to some distant memory on the way to work this morning. EVIDENCE OF ILM HIVEMIND.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Heh, I'm listening to Raise The Pressure right at this moment actually.

Tennant's vocals on Get The Message makes me wish he was on most of the album.

Sumner's vocal performance on this is only beaten by "Regret", a real wistful slouching-in-your-chair type feeling, swirling the cubes in your glass thing.

Viz (Viz), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

With the exception of "For You" and "Forbidden City," none of the rock songs on Raise The Pressure hold up. The drums are mixed way too high, as if Bernard and Johnny were saying, "Hey! Live drums! Check it out!"

You mean Tennant's vocal on "Getting Away With It. "

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I agree with whoever said "Disappointed" was Electronic's best.

I'm really not getting the overall love in this thread.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't see what's that special about Sumner on this track, as much as I quite like(d) it.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

I love the faint melisma on the phrase "living in s-i-i-in" and how he comes down hard on the final "k" in "how can you talk".

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

I think you're misremembering the "living in sin" phrase because there isn't any melisma there, no matter how broadly you define the term. (Singing three descending half steps in succession != melisma.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Melisma, according to Webster's : 1: a group of notes or ones sung on one syllable in plainsong 2: melodic embellishement.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

I'll second "for you" off the 2nd lp, though it sounds like more of a lost New Order track than an Electronic one.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Right, and neither of those is happening in that phrase:

1. The four descending notes are on each syllable in the first iteration of the phrase "living in sin".

2. There's no embelleshment going on; it's just a straight melody line with no frills or fanfare.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 12 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Dan is right.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 27 May 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite non-classic is "Some Distant Memory"

non-classic? not in my world. one of the very first songs i ever wrote - and boy, that's a long fucking time ago - was a blatant copy. it kind of defined everything a song should be.

for the next six years, i kept trying to get it right. eventually i gave up trying to write songs.

incredible, awesome, teenage-life-defining song. incredible, awesome, entire-life-defining album. "technique" has the edge, but only slightly.

no love for "gangster"? perhaps it was moving to glasgow that made it work for me, but suddenly it made sense. a truly incredible song, and barney's single greatest lyric.


It's not the way that you would listen
Or the way you comb your hair
It's the fact that you are missing
How I feel when you're not there
I went through all the months of January
Locked up in this cell
I'd like to be at home, but on my own
I didn't do too well

Look at me, I always get the blame
But I can't even learn to spell my name
I like to read, I like to write
But where I live I learn to fight
So don't you ever say that we're the same

I don't need a doctor telling me I'm full of juice
It's not a statement that I'm making, but the plain and simple truth
I went through all the months of January
Locked up in my cell
I'd like to think of home, when I'm alone
It doesn't work too well

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 27 May 2006 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

New order are officially my FAVOURITE BAND, but the first electronic album is my FAVOURITE NEW ORDER ALBUM, and the third electronic album is the BEST THING NEW ORDER HAVE DONE SINCE TECHNIQUE EXCEPT FOR THE FIRST ELECTRONIC ALBUM, even though electronic != new order.

Get The Message was one of my learning-to-play-the-piano songs. It'll always mean a lot to me.

JimD (JimD), Sunday, 28 May 2006 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

I went through all the months of January

This line, here...this does a pretty good job of encapsulating all that is great about barney's lyrics. It's STUPID and PERFECT at the same time, and I couldn't even begin to explain why.

JimD (JimD), Sunday, 28 May 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

Grimly and I are of like minds again - "Gangster" is easily my favourite from the album. "Get The Message" had just come out as a single when I first visited Manchester. I remember hearing it in the taxi I took from the airport after arrival. Just the sound of the guitar and drums on this track is enough to make it classic.

New Order are officially my favourite band too, but I don't know why folks feel the need to call Electronic albums New Order albums. I think this ignores the considerable talent and contributions of Johnny Marr.

"Raise The Pressure" for me is far more classic and less dated than than this first Electronic album. How anyone could argue the sounds on the first one are less dated I can't imagine. The third was shite.

Twitchety Twitch Manic Toy System (Bimble...), Sunday, 28 May 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite non-classic is "Some Distant Memory"

I'd hoped my tone was obvious. No one defends this song as a lost classic, so I thought I should; it's probably my second favorite song, as my love upthread showed.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 28 May 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

Well, so I just heard "Some Distant Memory" a couple of hours ago, after a desolate walk, with humidity gripping my face like a vise. Ugh.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 16 August 2007 02:25 (eighteen years ago)

"Gangster" is fucking awesome. Really, the only song on this album that isn't fucking awesome is "Idiot Country".

HI DERE, Thursday, 16 August 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

My vote for least awesome is "Try All You Want."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 16 August 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

the first electronic album is my FAVOURITE NEW ORDER ALBUM
i heard it before i heard any new order album. and you are right. it is the best of all new order, electronic and other collab albums of new order members (except joy div). i love how easy going it is. and how it really holds perfectly together with hardly any crap song. most new order albums suffer from inconsistency imo. usually one, two or three phantastic pop songs and lots of second rate stuff.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 16 August 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

"Idiot Country" is GREAT.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 16 August 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

i am a little surprised that no one has mentioned the album closer, feel every beat yet. that shaky keyboard motif which slows down and reverberates like hell in the last minute is my favourite moment on the album. transcendental dance music. i also very much like the only instrumental, the melancholic soviet (a swan song on the ussr without lyrics) which is a perfect interlude between gangster and get the message.

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 16 August 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Rappin' Barney!...love it, especially how he subtly references "Rappers Delight"...

henry s, Thursday, 16 August 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

They were very good with instrumentals! There's one called "Lean to the Inside" on the "Feel Every Beat" CD single (on which you'll find several mixes superior to the album's), a Trever Horn-ish stab at orchestral synth-pop, that was for a while used in lots of morning shows.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 16 August 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

None, it's got some good moments but there's something that doesn't quite work for me. Maybe the beat. "Disappointed" though is not only Electronic's best song. It's one of my favorite songs of the 90's.

daavid, Friday, 17 August 2007 04:07 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

REVIVE

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:32 (seventeen years ago)

I ought to pull these albums out tomorrow. It's been a while.

ilxor, Sunday, 14 September 2008 04:40 (seventeen years ago)

"Raise The Pressure" for me is far more classic and less dated than than this first Electronic album. How anyone could argue the sounds on the first one are less dated I can't imagine. The third was shite

The third one had a nice cover of Can't Find My Way Home though.

Discordian, Sunday, 14 September 2008 13:00 (seventeen years ago)

i don't really care if something sounds "dated". period charm, innit.

internet person, Sunday, 14 September 2008 13:58 (seventeen years ago)

"Gangster" is fucking awesome. Really, the only song on this album that isn't fucking awesome is "Idiot Country"

I love this album, but yeah "Get The Message" is classic. The video got a lot of play on 120 Minutes at the time, and maybe even on MTV otherwise? I love how the drums sound when they come in, that pop. This is also the song that first introduced me to New Order.

Bushwick Bill Clinton (Euler), Sunday, 14 September 2008 15:48 (seventeen years ago)

I like "Raise the Pressure"- Forbidden City is a great song, one of the best singles of the 90s IMO.

Neil S, Sunday, 14 September 2008 17:49 (seventeen years ago)

i don't recall much about that album other than that song -- which i adored; the barney prozac documentary; and destroying my vinyl copy by dropping it down the back of a cupboard and scratching it to fuck.

grimly fiendish, Sunday, 14 September 2008 17:56 (seventeen years ago)

missed that documentary, it sounded funny though!

The other good single off that album is this one:

Neil S, Sunday, 14 September 2008 18:00 (seventeen years ago)

I'll always remember hearing this song playing in the cab just after I'd got off the plane that landed me in Manchester in 1991. It's extraordinary, yes. Marr's guitar sound = priceless. And yes, fucking "Gangster" is probably my fave song on that album.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 14 September 2008 18:56 (seventeen years ago)

Whoops! I already kinda said that upthread. Haha.

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Sunday, 14 September 2008 18:58 (seventeen years ago)

two years pass...

news flash: "Get the Message" is still awesome

a variable (sic) "League of Nations" (DJP), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:07 (fourteen years ago)

I haven't posted on this thread yet? What the hell, me.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:12 (fourteen years ago)

I could be one in a million
It would be so good to start again

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:14 (fourteen years ago)

I listened to this album in the gardens of the Villa Ephrussi de Rothschild on the Saint-Jean-Cap-Ferrat in the south of France earlier this month, & it was perfect.

Euler, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:29 (fourteen years ago)

I was going to say "Well aren't YOU fancy" but objectively speaking you clearly are, given that.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:31 (fourteen years ago)

I was bragging, to be fair, but this album's worth it.

Euler, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:36 (fourteen years ago)

my appreciation for this album has skyrocketed over time; I think I was slightly disappointed when it came out that it didn't seem to have as much Johnny Marr on it as I was expecting. But I probably listen to this more than any new order album bar Power and Movement these days.

akm, Wednesday, 20 July 2011 16:53 (fourteen years ago)

I don't know
If we could get lost in a city this size
If we wanted to

The little synth counter melody on the chorus is absolutely devastating. And the completely unexpected flamenco guitar that comes in and does a little weep for you. And it goes grandiose and Low Life era New Order at the end and it's just... aaaaahhhhh...

(SDM not GTM obv though the second side of this album is just one giant classic after another, man there are such sweet memories attached to this album)

Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:22 (fourteen years ago)

^^^ yes. Also:

My favorite non-classic is "Some Distant Memory," whose production and arrangement (a live oboe solo doubling a synth!) evoke the wistfulness of the title and lyrics.
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, July 11, 2005 5:29 PM

I was wrong. It's a classic.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:23 (fourteen years ago)

I haven't listened to this album in SOOO long (I had it on cassette, it didn't survive too many repeated playings) and it is making me smile so much.

It's so perfect in so many little touches. Yes, there are some cringingly embarrassing moments (LOL @ the Barney rap) but it's moved from dated-badly to so-of-its-time-it-perfectly-catches-that-time-and-place. Like, I'm willing to forgive any clumsy Barneyrhymed raps for the deliciously baggy chords at the end of Feel Every Beat.

Aaaaahhh, 1991, I miss you, drinking underage in a gay bar on Lark St, slow dancing with a sock stuffed down my trousers. Those were the days. (no they weren't, they were shit to be honest, but this is still a great album)

Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:31 (fourteen years ago)

Let me put it this way: this album is better than anyone's 1991.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)

Yes.

Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Wednesday, 20 July 2011 17:36 (fourteen years ago)

god this album

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2011 00:56 (fourteen years ago)

"Feel Every Beat", yes! Perfect 1991 compilation opener.

Mark G, Thursday, 21 July 2011 10:09 (fourteen years ago)

It's better to live than to know.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:10 (fourteen years ago)

Every song on here (except "Idiot Country") was my favorite song at one point in time. "Tighten Up", "Gangster" and "Get the Message" still float to the top of that pile frequently.

PAJAMARALLS? PAJAMALWAYS! (DJP), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:13 (fourteen years ago)

i can still recall holding down the rewind button on the cassette player and playing Tighten Up over and over again when I got the album. kind of hate the opening synth hits now but it's still a massive tune. Bad Lt. played it live every night on their last tour.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:22 (fourteen years ago)

Some archival interviews here: http://www.feeleverybeat.co.uk/articles/

Given how, er, truculent the UK press can be, the first album was widely loved, I sese.

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:29 (fourteen years ago)

Good track by track breakdown

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 00:30 (fourteen years ago)

That is good. Its point about "Reality" is right: it has a great chorus but it's as close to a weak track as the album gets. It's still a righteous tune, don't get me wrong!

Euler, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:50 (fourteen years ago)

All those keyboard sounds in the last 1:30 are the history of acid house in miniature though!

The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:53 (fourteen years ago)

Yeah; mostly I don't like the opening. It doesn't bridge well with the previous song. I'd put it maybe third from the end instead.

Euler, Wednesday, 27 July 2011 01:55 (fourteen years ago)

Damn you ILX for making me dig this album out every time this thread gets bumped.

Aphex Twin … in my vagina? (Karen D. Tregaskin), Wednesday, 27 July 2011 09:24 (fourteen years ago)

one year passes...

Listening to the album Lusine brought out earlier this year, The Waiting Room (which I'm enjoying a lot, it has to be said), and there's a cover of 'Get The Message' on there (which isn't actually too bad!)

The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 10 May 2013 19:38 (twelve years ago)


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