sound of hip hop in 05

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youve gotta notice the new batch of hip hop banger records increasingly going in the direction of stripped down instrumentation, mostly just loud industrial drums and percussion accents with rapping...
rap almost seems to be going back in time to early Schoolly D's style that sounded like an 80s version of exactly the same thing. prertty interesting.

anyhow i'm trying to make a mix of all this stuff - so far I've got:

Black Rob - Ready
David Banner - Play
Juelz Santana - There It Go
Ying Yang Twins - Wait

and maybe even Dem Franchize Boyz, Oh I Think They Like ME.

mre suggestions? or thoughts on this?

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― canary wilson, Thursday, 29 December 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

i hadn't noticed this, actually.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 29 December 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

Bit older, but how about: Clipse - Grindin'

― Robin Goad (rgoad), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Verbalicious- Don't Play Nice

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

hmm

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

― [use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

"Wait" and "Play" were both produced by Mr. Collipark, who describes them as "intimate club music", those other tracks are another thing entirely, although I guess 'The Whistle Song' is some kind of deliberate knockoff of the novelty value of 'The Whisper Song.'

As usual, ILM's idea about "minimal" hip hop production being some kind of deviation from the norm completely confounds me.

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

right alex, so it's not a different style. listen to just blaze or swizz beats' tracks and tell me it sounds the same as what i was mentioning above. nice one.

― canary wilson, Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

Whistle Song > Whisper Song

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

ugh right, obviously there ARE examples of popular/contemporary hip hop that DON'T fit this description (although if you ask me most of Swizz's stuff DOES), that wasn't really my point

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 29 December 2005 22:41 (twenty years ago)

It's a mistake (of little consequence) to make a mixtape based on a thesis that doesn't stand up.

― paulhw (paulhw), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

I guess! i was actually thinking about making a mix of all the intimate club/whisper songs and various remixes and freestyle versions of "Wait".

― Alex in Baltimore (Alex in Baltimore), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

how does the 'thesis' not stand up?

― canary wilson, Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Let's discuss this new trend of rapping with swear words.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 30 December 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

lets discuss you sucking out of my ass with a straw.

― canary wilson, Friday, 30 December 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

ok tell me about 5 songs that have this sound before the lil jon era. then i'll give.

― canary wilson, Friday, 30 December 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

rap almost seems to be going back in time to early Schoolly D's style that sounded like an 80s version of exactly the same thing.
???

― jcartledge (jcartledge), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

Jeru - Statik, Come Clean
Schooly D - PSK
Audio 2 - Top Billin
DITC - All Love

lots of shit on "Criminal Minded"
any number of Mobb Deep tracks.
I'm blanking on obvious stuff I'm sure.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 30 December 2005 01:52 (twenty years ago)

uh, "I'm a Hustla" by cassidy is a perfect example of this "trend" and is produced by swizz beatz of all people. HMM.

― ranchdipset, Friday, 30 December 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

paul revere

― jcartledge (jcartledge), Friday, 30 December 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

Modern Hip-hop minimalism roll call

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 30 December 2005 08:50 (twenty years ago)

This guy is obviously a clueless herb and all but, still, he did mention Black Rob.

THAT WAS '95, FAM, FUCK THE PAST
SEE NIGGAS GOT HERE FRONTIN', BODYGUARDS UP THE ASS

On a slightly serious note some '05 tracks which fit this criteria are :

Black Rob-knock 'em out

AZ-az's chillin'

MOP & Jay Z-put it in the air (an older track but only officially released this year. They're rhymin' over the drums from the end of "microphone fiend" and it is nuts).

Saigon-fuck with me (maybe "the letter p" by Saigon too ?)

Pretty much every Southern rap record that came out this year.

Also, no thread talking about "stripped down instrumentation" with "mostly just loud drums and percussion accents with rapping" is complete with mentioning the daddy of the genre, "love rap" by Spoonie Gee.

― ELLI$, Friday, 30 December 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

yeah there are a lot of beats similar to the mid 80s style of crashing production but its nowhere near as hard as stuff from back then

― smellis, Friday, 30 December 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

yeah love rap by spoonie g, sure i get what you're saying. but it looks like we're talking about completely different things here. it's obvious i didn't explain myself very clearly. if you listen to early schooly d its mostly booming loud industrial style drums and rapping, that's what i'm talking about - i'm obviously not talking about just drums with percussion stabs and rapping, there are a million tracks like that, that's like the basis of rap production right there. and spoonie g would have been one of the originals like that. not what i'm talking about though.

oh and fuck you for calling me a herb you little bitch.

― canary wilson, Friday, 30 December 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

but all those tracks u mentioned in the opening post have other elements besides drums and rapping. like stabs and melodies.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

yeah, "wait" is more minimal than "hate it or love it," but it's not just drums and voice.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

and the juelz single has some kinda hook, i think, but i cant remember what it is off the top of my head.

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

we are also overlooking the giant, candy-loving elephant in the room

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 30 December 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

"Laffy Taffy"?

If that's not the one you're talking about, it certainly qualifies.

― R. J. Greene, Friday, 30 December 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/33/49230120_ba6d736de5_m.jpg

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 30 December 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

we are also overlooking the giant, candy-loving elephant in the room

MC Pee Pants had some pretty minimalist beats, yeah

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 30 December 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

would j-kwon - tipsy qualify? neptunes' va banger?

― hjkfdshjk, Friday, 30 December 2005 22:08 (twenty years ago)

"The freshest movement going on right now is the finger-snap movement," Mr. Collipark says. "We're getting that regional sound back with these finger-snap records. Atlanta is commercialized now with Jon getting so big, Ying Yang Twins getting so big. It's like with anything — once the mainstream gets ahold of it, the value goes down. Now we're having a whole new movement with the snap music."

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Saturday, 31 December 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

well fuck me, I didn't know until now that Mr. Collipark and DJ Smurf are the same person.

― Crunk With Christ, Saturday, 31 December 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Mr. Collipark/DJ Smurf was also known as Beat-N-Azz.

I dont agree that this minimal industrial-drum style is a 'new trend,' but some good ones are P Stones' "Git Like Me," produced by the guy who did "Laffy Taffy," and a lot of Bay Area tracks: The Frontline "Bang It," Keak "Superhyphy," etc. But many of the biggest/best produtions this year were really full tracks like on the Young Jeezy and Lil Wayne albums.

And your mix will not be complete without Too Short's "Burn Rubber."

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Saturday, 31 December 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Dude never said it was a "new trend" did he? He just said people were "increasingly" going in that direction. Which, new or not, does seem to be somewhat true. That movement might have been happening for a while now, but at this point it's really dominating.

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

But I guess yr point is that this thread is like when the New York Times says "new trend this month -- trucker hats!"

― nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 31 December 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

A look at any radio playlist shows that it's hardly the "dominating" sound. What about Kanye, Jeezy, BEP, Mike Jones, Three Six, etc.?

I suggest P Stones "Git Like Me" and Ebony Eyes' "Ass In Your Face" (by the Trackboyz)

My thoughts on this are, "This sound has made for some hot records, I like it."

― one time gaffled 'em up (one time gaffled 'em up), Sunday, 1 January 2006 02:41 (twenty years ago)

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