But why? Why do we want bigger, louder, deeper bass? What is it that attracts us to it? What is good bass? How low can you go? Is their something sociologically or culturally significant about bass?
Discuss bass here, please.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)
Cue essay from Geir as to why only ethnics and subnormals like it.
― The Man in the Iron-On Mask (noodle vague), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)
still...ever , er, felt a sound system?
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:13 (nineteen years ago)
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:19 (nineteen years ago)
― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)
If you listen to bass-heavy music, the Koss PortaPros or KSC-35s are much preferably to the Senn PX100s. They're open, though, so different in a lot of ways to the PX200s. Sennheiser has a nice, glittering, laid-back sound, but the Koss are punchier, more fun to listen to (for me). And there's tons of bass - which would be irritating in a monitor headphone but is just right when out on the street.
I recently got a new computer and bought some JBL / Harmon Creature II speakers for it - these are tiny satellite jobs with a subwoofer - and I was alarmed at how fierce the bass was when turned up on them; it swamped the music entirely, and even at a mid-to-low setting it was still a more noticable and... seperate... presence in the music than it is on my hi-fi seperates set-up in the next room, which is where I do most of my listening. I use "source direct" controls in there, keeping bass and treble levels as they come from the CD player. If you turn the volume up or change the bass knob settings then sure, you get a very, very physical sound, but it's still more taught and controlled.
I've never understood the desire for really excessive, flabby bass that systems like this http://www.goelectronic.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/full/mx-gb6.jpg seem to produce, where it totally distorts the music and over-rides mid range and top end. Why is loud bass seen as a signifier for quality of sound? Even if distorted?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)
Me? I love the bass.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)
and, bass doesnt compete with the human voice, which makes it a social sound.
― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)
I think the problem with the flabby bass on a system like that is that it is a very cheap system which is distoring and resonating horribly. To get proper deep, heavy bass, you need a very powerful amplifier which is capable of *CLEANLY* powering some VERY VERY BIG speaker cones. Big speaker cones are the only way to get that DEEP DEEP bass.
However, people LOVE that deep heavy bass they hear when the go to a club or concert, but don't have the money or space to recreate so buy a system which gives an approximation of that sound, however crude.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)
I like the idea of bass not competing with the human voice and thus being a social sound.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)
Of course I could be completely wrong.
xp- There's nothing social about some cunt driving down my street and waking my daughter at 1 am.
― snotty moore, Thursday, 2 February 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 2 February 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 2 February 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Patrick South (Patrick South), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)
― The Man in the Iron-On Mask (noodle vague), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:07 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)
mid range noise blares, and competes with voice. it also doesnt really travel, it isn't as loud as it appears
anchoring, well, thats difficult to put into words. certainly on drugs i'd say that bass can be sort of a tether, i suppose it comes back to warmth again in a way also. a building feels...occupied, when there is bass. a social setting where there is music without bass sort of seems weird, like the place is about to close. perhaps its also because, without bass, music often seems like it is being squeezed out of a transistor
― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)
― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)
I hate woofy, flabby, artificial low-end frequencies. Since most home/car/club etc. systems boost the bass anyway, I like recordings that have loud, low pitches with a lot of the low-end eq'ed out.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Kv_nol (Kv_nol), Thursday, 2 February 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)
― irrigation can save your purple, Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)
― leigh (leigh), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)
paul mccartney invented bass singlehandedly (left hand of course) !well, seriously, when you listen to records before the mid 60s, there is no really "fat" bass, is there ?
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)
Why is this?
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)
Because for decades it was really hard to reproduce.
As for why we love bass in the first place, yeah, I reckon it's because it hits you in the body rather than the ears. It's simply a bigger sound; bass sounds can include very high frequencies, but treble can't include low frequencies (without turning into a bass sound).
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)
i don't have anything significant to add, but the geek in me wants to clarify the comment Sick Nouthy quoted - the PortaPros aren't "flabby" or "distorted" bass, certainly not like the Sony Vx00 series; but they are boomier than the Senns, which have a sound that's not nearly so 'forward', that sort of glimmers in the back. the Koss are still really balanced, and for my money the best, most musical walking-around headphones for less than $75. (these are not the optimal headphones for bass headz - but most rock and pop music counts on a certain level of bass punch, and in that way the senns might let you down.) i am def. not confusing bass for quality of sound.
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:36 (nineteen years ago)
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)
Besides, bass makes music move.
I began to appreciate rap music on a whole other level after I heard LL Cool J's "Bad" on a boomin' system - the brute physicality of it.
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Jim M (jmcgaw), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)
yet, I beleive there have been many hiphop/rnb tracks lately without or with very little bass which i think is interesting (don't have many examples in mind... minimalist things with mainly drum loops and cheezy synths... like "drot it like it's hot" for instance).
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)
I think rhythmic structure is more important than bass. James Brown and Fela Kuti made music move without ass-shaking low-frequencies.
― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)
and what a genius idea it was !
― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 16:57 (nineteen years ago)
― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 February 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)
When you make sparse tracks, any bass that is left in (like kick drums and the like) sounds 100x more powerful.
― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Geir Hongro, Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)
― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)
― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)
never heard bout boys though
― nique (nique), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)
Weirdly though the thing that bothers me about modern music production is its emphasis on the opposite end. Maybe it's that we can now isolate bass as a thing unto itself -- meaning we can set about removing the space and low-frequency "mud" around every sound, leaving behind something super-crisp. And that emphasis on crispness means so many productions now are ultra-compressed, ultra-separated, and have every sound excited and brightened and crisped-up to the point of near-painfulness -- some things seem almost too vivid, too brittle, and too interested in loudness and presence. A lot of productions now kind of hurt my ears, actually, and physically -- something that only really sank in the other day when I listened to a mid-90s record and was shocked by how soft and squishy and silky all the sounds were. (At the time it struck me as a fairly "realistic" recording, and maybe it still is, because the modern productions that bug me with this tend to be more crisp and dry and present than live music.)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)
Because nobody plays bass anymore :(
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Sexy MFA (Hexy M.F.), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:59 (nineteen years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Al B. Dere (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 3 February 2006 04:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Tokyo Ghost Stories (Tokyo Ghost Stories), Friday, 3 February 2006 06:15 (nineteen years ago)
Honestly, I like The Killers despite--or because--of their bullshit neowav-o pretensions, but also because they've an ace bass player who not only roots the songs, but comments on progressions in his playing. It really does make a huge difference.
Then there's the joy of percussive bass. I was listening to the break-down in NIN's "The Perfect Drug", where this analog-y synth hammers an eighth note line, and damn, it is VIOLENT and downright predatorial in intent. *And* it will shake the fuck out of any room.
― Ian in Brooklyn, Friday, 3 February 2006 06:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Cliftonb, Friday, 3 February 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)
― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Friday, 3 February 2006 06:48 (nineteen years ago)
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 3 February 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)
― John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 February 2006 07:53 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.fishsniffer.com/guest/images/043004ladypros.jpg
― John Justen (johnjusten), Friday, 3 February 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)
-- Sick Mouthy
Well...Coolest Member of Queen.
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:09 (nineteen years ago)
-- J-rock (juice_rock...), Today 7:36 AM.
Um, yeah, I know. I put it in capitals to emphasise the fact that it was a bad and forced pun.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 February 2006 10:33 (nineteen years ago)
My bad. It's just that that is a fairly common mistake. Irony and puns don't always come across well on a message board.
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Friday, 3 February 2006 11:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 20 October 2006 06:44 (nineteen years ago)
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