GARAGE BEEF: Jack White mad at Billy Childish for dissing him in GQ

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― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

Billy Childish was in GQ?

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Part of their new outreach to the Medway.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

what brand of pommade does he use?

― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

strongo or stevem?

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

i love that
a) billy is complaining about how jack wants to be a pop star in GQ
b) jack is reading GQ and getting mad

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, classic 'pox on both your houses' feeling from me, in that the reason why the White Stripes are interesting is precisely *because* Jack White wants to be a pop star, but Jack clearly owes Billy and his extended family tree a rather huge debt. Still, I have no problem with him helping make Holly Golightly more famous.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

"when you take someone else's music and put your own lyrics on top of it, it's still called plagiarism," says the blues purist... because son house and willie mctell never did anything like that, no sir.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

OTM.

By the way, has anyone else had just about enough of Jack White referring to people as "children"?

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

But Jack White is 800 years old, so it's like, cool.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Cocaine is a helluva drug!

― Jack White (Aaron W), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I had no idea five minutes ago who Billy Childish is so this beef thing is working pretty well for him. I do tend to read GQ in the store instead of buying it, though.

― mike h. (mike h.), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'll consider the merits of this once someone other than the NME reports it...

― cdwill (cdwill), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

they're just quoting the white stripes' website. you could always read that yourself and consider the merits before someone else reports on it.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'd do that if there were anything about this on the White Stripes' site...

― cdwill (cdwill), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Won't anyone think about the Holly?

Funny, though. He'd be insane to be that upset just because someone doesn't care for his band -- sounds a lot more like he's feeling some weird betrayal. "After all the nice things we've said about you!"

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

xpost
it's in the "messages" section, you have to scroll down a bit.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Found it, thanks. Horrible website.

Pretty funny how White doesn't seem to think he's "plagiarizing" Childish, though.

― cdwill (cdwill), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah shitty site, i found it impossible to cut and paste the text from there otherwise i would have posted them here

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

childish is such a fake, he's got a myspace and everything!

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Fritz, you able to find the Childish interview online anywhere?
The GQ site is saying it's "only in the issue", but it's gotta be available somewhere online...

― cdwill (cdwill), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

just googled quickly, didn't see it

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

i loved the childish profile in gq. and the jack white stuff was pretty funny. the funniest part was when childish complained that all these famous people go on and on about how much they love his music, but none of them will record any of his songs so that he can make some cash. apparently he as asked all of them to do it and they never do.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

This could turn into the oughts' Billy Corgan v. Pavement.

― mike a, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

holly golightly is better than both

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Holly does goddamn well rule, that's for sure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

jack white is such a theater student

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

All of the stuff on their site before he finally addresses Childish is, uh, pretty funny. What is it teaching all of us, children?

I'm beginning to think there's a little Jim Morrison in Jack White.

― TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Jack White has attacked the state of modern music journalism and has urged fans to make their own opinions on music.
Seemingly hurt by muted reaction to The White Stripes last album ‘Get Behind Me Satan’ White has used the bands official website to give us journos a bit of a telling off.
White wrote of the record: “What a funny album, coming from divided critics to supposed disappointing sales, to going platinum in several countries, to making most critics top ten lists, to winning a Grammy. That’s funny right?”
Now onto his diatribe against reviewers, he added: “They all play a coward’s game. Only one side to their playground. Such an easy fight that way. The faceless opinion of print and the internet. What is it teaching all of us?”
“Back when there was a time when we had great writers, and respected journalists who had earned their position as tastemakers, and won peoples respect with their knowledge and insight, it was much easier to understand a written opinion because at least you knew who it was coming from.”
He went on: “Now those printed opinions are probably coming from the person sitting next to you in the mall. Why should you care about their opinion? Why shouldn’t you?”
“Critics are the only public expression that isn’t ‘allowed’ to be critiqued. Be careful children, you don’t have to listen to all those opinions out there, and not even this one you are reading.”

“Remember the person’s opinion you are reading probably knows less about less about the topic you are interested in than you do.”

http://www.gigwise.com/news.asp?contentid=14081

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

jack white will never record anything as brilliant as the childish/golightly 1 chord album, whatever it was called.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Gosh, Billy Childish slagging someone -- like that's never happened before. YAWN.
Also, inverse what Raggett said -- Jack White makes himself less interesting because, precisely, he wants to be a pop star. Besides, Billy Childish, the curmudgeon that he has always been, has created a far greater body of work than Jack White will ever imagine in his pop star life of marriages on canoes in Brazil to models.

― Jack Cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, I think Ned said that Jack's more interesting because he's a pop star, not less. This is ILM after all.

― Eppy (Eppy), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

?Critics are the only public expression that isn?t ?allowed? to be critiqued. Be careful children, you don?t have to listen to all those opinions out there, and not even this one you are reading.?

jack needs to join ILM

Jim DeRogatis - C/D
Taking sides: Greil Marcus vs Dave Eggars
Do you ever read one of Christgau's reviews and go, What the hell is he talking about?

― that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Back when there was a time when we had great writers, and respected journalists who had earned their position as tastemakers, and won peoples respect with their knowledge and insight, it was much easier to understand a written opinion because at least you knew who it was coming from.

Wait, when was this magical time? And if it did exist, wouldn't it have precluded the White Stripes from developing their initial late '90s zine/club buzz?

― mike a, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

i never read ANYTHING bad about that last white stripes rekkerd. i thought everyone loved it and drooled over it.

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

(Eppy, I think Jack did get that -- thus the 'inverse' point. ;-) Billy's an at-times brilliant purist, but it is precisely because Jack *isn't* that he's able to do more in the end.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

"Jack White looks like Zorro on doughnuts." - Noel Gallagher

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Sonned by a Wite Stripe after GQ beef?

(I can't believe no one already said that. Were you guys just thinking it but considered it too dumb to even say?)

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

oasis suck, but noel is a stitch and a half!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sonned by a Wite Stripe after GQ beef?
(I can't believe no one already said that. Were you guys just thinking it but considered it too dumb to even say?)

I had somehow not managed to come up with Wite Stripe. Congrats!

― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Billy & Noel OTM about Jack.
Jack OTM about critics.

Older White Stripes, especially De Stijl, were poppier and more fun to listen to than the newer variety in spite of the critical acclaim.

The Billy & Holly record is In Blood and it's fun but not as good as older White Stripes. It's mostly better than the Holly & Dan Melchior one though. Neither is as good as most solo Holly records, with the possible exception of Slowly But Surely though maybe I haven't really given that one a fair shake.

― lykvun stratta, Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

dude, slowly but surely is the shit

― gear (gear), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone know whatever happened to their plans to release Get Behind Me Satan on vinyl after they'd done the songs live?

― Bimble The Nimble (Bimble...), Thursday, 2 March 2006 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

Whites stripes are cool, they give a different kind of music and it's good! Also who the hell is Billy Childish if he's so great you'd think i'd have heard of him aleast once in my life.

― Slash Stab, Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

you'd think you would have!

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

"the funniest part was when childish complained that all these famous people go on and on about how much they love his music, but none of them will record any of his songs so that he can make some cash. apparently he as asked all of them to do it and they never do. "

Maybe it is because many of Childish's records go out of print in swirly vinyl editions of 50 and people have only heard about them more than actually heard them.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Sunday, 5 March 2006 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

Childish in for Von Bondie treatment?

― js (honestengine), Sunday, 5 March 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

"dude, slowly but surely is the shit"

It's not bad, but I've heard most of the rest of her records and I don't think it measures up. I think the reason it got talked up was that was probably the first time most critics paid any attention to her, which is a shame but that says more about critics than it does about the relative merits of any of the records.

Maybe I'll come back to it in a while and totally fall in love with it, but since I have about 9 records by her it tends to take a backseat.

― lykvun stratta, Sunday, 5 March 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

“Back when there was a time when we had great writers, and respected journalists who had earned their position as tastemakers, and won peoples respect with their knowledge and insight, it was much easier to understand a written opinion because at least you knew who it was coming from.”

He went on: “Now those printed opinions are probably coming from the person sitting next to you in the mall. Why should you care about their opinion? Why shouldn’t you?”

This is kind of a version of reverse rockism, isn't it? That magical time way back when, when critics wrote "real" reviews and people respected them, instead of some upstart critic offering their opinion (who cares if their criticism is good?).

― hgfhg, Sunday, 5 March 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

how is it "reverse" rockism? it's plain vanilla romanticized-past-before-our-time/from-our-childhood bullshit. Even as we speak, Jack White Mach 2016 is reading writers he'll hold up as paragons of music journalism against whoever the favored targets of his time are.

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 5 March 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Childish is an icon. Jack White is a cartoon.

― cdwill (cdwill), Sunday, 5 March 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

It amounts to the same thing.

Indie guys make limited editions, because they want to 'sell out' (ironically). Stock unsold = stock they paid for.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 March 2006 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

To be honest, I believe nothing Jack White says. Nothing.

If he told me it was raining, I'd look out the window mate.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 6 March 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

If he told me it was raining, I'd dress as if it were summertime, HAR DEE HAR HAR take THAT ya fat zorro!!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Monday, 6 March 2006 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

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