New Order's worst song wins award

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Also worse rapping on disc ever?

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

When I say award I mean newspoll - hardly the same thing I know...

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I do not acknowledge the existence of this song. Clearly, it is the Anti-Barney trying to pollute my pure, clean love.

― I'm Not Afraid Of Electricity (kate), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

'World In Motion' is better than 50% of the rest of New Order's catalogue.

The rap isn't even that bad and I've always liked it, I've never understood why people dislike/mock it so much.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer it to "Blue Monday"

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that bad - apart from the rap - and what was the competition? Back Home? Nice One Cyril?

― dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

stevem otm.

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was funny that they still play this song live, or at least they did at Glastonbury last year (I saw it on TV although the version of 'True Faith' was better).

Never got round to hearing the last album because I was so disappointed by 'Krafty'. Been listening to 'Vicious Streak' from 'Get Ready' a lot lately though.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

None of them are as good as:

http://www.music-exchange.co.uk/pictures/98/034389W.jpg

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

anyway the worst rap ever was done by lenny henry on a style council album

― dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Archie Gemmill's rap, now THAT was bad.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

"The Stand-Up Comic's Instructions" on Our Favourite Shop. Bizarre group, bizarre record.

(xpost)

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

ysis?

― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Brian Clough did an anti-hooliganism rap once.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Rod Stewart's finest hour! "Ole ole, ole ola, we're gonna bring that World Cup back from over tha!"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

That wasn't even an official World Cup song, Rod did that off his own bat, as it were

― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Brian Clough did an anti-hooliganism rap once.

"YOU WANT BLOODY SHOOTIN'"

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Worl In Motion is godlike in its beauty and a pinnacle in the New Order oeuvre. Not only is it better than Blue Monday, it is better than Transmission, Atmosphere and Love Will Tear Us Apart. Anyone who says otherwise deserves to be hanged with a washing line while listening to The Idiot.

― the dead twin brother of Roland Barthes, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

(dadaismus xpost)

But Rod did have the '78 squad singing back-up, even if the Willie Johnstone reference had to be subsequently cut out...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

*Worl In Motion is godlike in its beauty and a pinnacle in the New Order oeuvre. Not only is it better than Blue Monday, it is better than Transmission, Atmosphere and Love Will Tear Us Apart. Anyone who says otherwise deserves to be hanged with a washing line while listening to The Idiot.*

didn't that happen to peter osgood this week?

― dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, "World In Motion" isn't even the worst John Barnes rap; that honour belongs to "Anfield Rap" from '88 - "I come from Jamaica/My name is John Bar-nes/When I touch the ball/The crowd goes bananas."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

It was followed closely by the Spice Girls' 1998 effort (How Does It Feel To Be) On Top Of The World.

Ian McCulloch will be gutted to have been erased from that we bit of music history.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be hard pressed to name one truly awful NO song.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I read that three times as "I'd be hard pressed to name only one awful NO song."

― Dave will do (dave225.3), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

but they have a lot of awful lyrics.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I love the lyrics...esp. the bad ones...

And I still think WIM is their worst song. Krafty is great compareed to this (and as the only two NO songs on the video jukebox at our local bowlarama I choose Krafty everytime). And the rap is awful - there may well be worse (hence the question mark) but this is still one of the worst. Despite this, , it is still one of the best football songs ever.

I would say my second least favourite NO is 'State of the Nation'.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

I would say my second least favourite NO is 'State of the Nation'.

MADMAN. (That part on the chorus where the extra synth line kicks in forgives so many of mankind's sins.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I would guess that hundreds of thousands of people can remember the John Barnes rap word-for-word - which suggests to me that it needs to be judged on qualities other than 'technical competence', at least.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

After much thought, I came up with "I Told You So."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be hard pressed to name one truly awful NO song.

60MPH to thread. and i'm sorry, ned, but SOTN sucks a pretty big dick too.

i'd certainly take "world in motion" over half of the last album and almost all of "get ready".

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like we're about to do "Get Ready": C or D for the 932nd time.

― NTBTloggedout, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

no. no, we're not. please, no.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

but, of course, it is a great big heap of sh ...

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Is it the only New Order song that New Order didn't write the words? Apart from the Joy Division ones, I mean.

I don't like Keith Allen, he reminds me of Bill Drummond.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

There are many reasons for disliking Keith Allen, but reminding you of Bill Drummond???

― Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Also "World in Motion" is one of NO's top 5 songs. Although it can't match the hilarity of "and we'll really shake 'em up/When we win the Wor-ald Cup."

― Raw, Uncompromising, and Noodly (noodle vague), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

*World in Motion" is one of NO's top 5 songs*

never in a million milennia - every other track on substance is superior, not to mention the early singles

*it can't match the hilarity of "and we'll really shake 'em up/When we win the Wor-ald Cup."

we're OTM there though

― dr x o'skeleton, Tuesday, 7 March 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I think anyone with only an ounce of nostalgia for what 1990 means in terms of English football and the whole post-rave scene that was keeping people smiling - would understand the power of New Order's World in Motion.

It was the coolest World Cup song at the time - from someone who is not exactly NEw Order's biggest fan - and this vote proves it's lost none of that appeal.

It was the soundtrack to the beginning of the end for football and lads as a sub-cultures respectively. After Gazza's tears the mainstream acceptance of football, the looming Sky Sports/Premiership marriage and lots of money for football was going to change it all forever and bring this dirty violent sport to middle classes as a nice neat, sat down package. Plus lad mags would start off spritely as marketing people realised that men bought stuff only to have that quickly reduced to lads like to look at breasts.

I could go on, but essentially in English popular culture World in Motion quite probably represents alot more than a song to many mid to late thirties men who also like football.

― sonicred (sonicred), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was hoping it would be "Rock The Shack"!!!

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

"I think anyone with only an ounce of nostalgia for what 1990 means in terms of English football and the whole post-rave scene that was keeping people smiling - would understand the power of New Order's World in Motion."

This is true and Bernards happy smiling face on the video...ahhhhh....I'm starting to change my mind about the whole thing. I'm so easily led.

SOTN - still crap though.

I like Get Ready though - Crystal, Primitive Notion, Slow Jam, even 60 Miles An Hour - and Here To Stay, which I always associate with that album is one of my favourite song - perhaps i am a madman.

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought Bernard just looked like the sunw as in his eyes in the video.

― RoxyMuzak© (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

If I wanted to listen to the Other Two, I'd listen to the Other Two, which never happens.

― Viz (Viz), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

even 60 Miles An Hour

what about rock the shack, though? eh? EH?

a song so bad i'd forgotten it even existed.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

"Rock the Shack" is better than half of "Brotherhood". There, I said it.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

if i say "no, you're wrong; so painfully wrong it hurts", we're inching ever closer to another interminable argument about the relative merits of "get ready". so i'll avoid saying "no, you're wrong; so painfully wrong it hurts". even though the truth is that you're wrong. so painfully wrong it hurts.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

i was just listening this today at the gym! There is something unquestionably brilliant about the absurd lyrical conceit (football + loooooove) which is clearly awesome. The rap is good/bad in the same way as the rap on "Radio Song."

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently quite a few people here already agree that "World In Motion" is not only not bad but quite brilliant, I'm just gonna say I'm one of them. Besides I tend to really like "bad raps" made by people who "can't rap". I think this may actually be what makes them actually pretty good.

― daavid (daavid), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I guess I never got around to saying that "World In Motion" is great. Sure, just about everything on "Substance" is better, but "Substance" is damn tough to top.

― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

I was only 3/4 in 1990, and I only just vaguely remember "World in Motion" as a really annoying happy-clappy theme song, with Janet Street Porter somehow involved (?). It had a really scary video which really stuck out in my memory.

However I probably disliked any song in 1990 that wasn't by "The Turtles" so I guess I'd be proved wrong if I heard it today :)

― JTS (JTS), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

I particularly like World In Motion, and yes as much of Style Council fan as I am, their rap tracks really suck.

― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

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NME's football-themed New Order pun circa World in Motion: LOVE WILL TERRACE APART. Marvellous.

For what it's worth, I love that song to bits. It's got all the ingredients of great New Order songs: silly lyrics, great keyboard sounds, huge crescendo (albeit this time with footballers singing the chorus with Bernard).

― Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

Football

― Daniel Giraffe (Daniel Giraffe), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

People who hate "Jetstream" have malfunctioning ears.

― Dan (J-E-T) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe the hate for "Krafty".

― Euler (Euler), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Those people don't have brains.

― Dan (Just Gimme One More Day) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

they're both weak/tired/lazy crapola lacking the sinister edge i looked for in my NO

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

they're not actually horrendous songs in their own rights - just seem and sound so flat and boring compared to past NO. what's the point of them?

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

They should have called it a day after "Here To Stay", which would have been a beautifully poignant end. Like Konal says, everything now has this air of "what's the point?".

― Johnny Jarvis, Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heared "Hey what you doing" but that's the lamest song title ever.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Almost a lame a song title as "Hey Ya."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

for what it's worth, i loved krafty.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

i am listening to this right now. it is great. shut it.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

jetstream IS shit tho.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, maybe I'm being a bit dim but I don't understand this - does it mean that it was nearly their worst song in 1995? If so what was worse before 1995? And why 1995? For some reason I resent being thought of as living in 1995. I'm not ready to move off from 1983.

yes, it was nearly their worst song in '95, but it wasn't as bad as, say "MTO" or "All Day Long" or half of Movement. '95 just seemed like a good neutral year of New Order downtime, after which nearly every song they released was worse than "World in Motion"

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

In 1995 I probably would've said 'Everyone Everywhere'.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

In 1995 I probably would've said 'Everyone Everywhere'.

You are daft! After "Regret," it's the best song on the album! Looove the guitar solo.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

"All Day Long" or half of Movement

mmmmMMMMMPH! must ... not ... get ... angry ...

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Funny how NO threads are the only times ILM gets me worked up.

The worst NO song is obviously State of the Nation and NO post-95 is better on average than pre-95, although Rock the Shack (in its album form at least, the 'in session' version being pretty great) definitely ranks amongst their 5 worst tunes.

― Le Baaderonixx de Clignancourt (baaderonixx), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

The most important point here is that the wrong song won the contest. It should have been "Three Lions".

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

???????????????????????

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

**NO post-95 is better on average than pre-95**

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 March 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

You gotta give him credit for an independent (indie?) opinion though!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

NO post-95 is better on average than pre-95

Well, I'd say that the two last albums are better than Republic and Lowlife, on a par with Brotherhood, PC&L and Movement, and below Technique. Hence, the average

― Le Baaderonixx de Clignancourt (baaderonixx), Friday, 10 March 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

"All Day Long" or half of Movement.

Wow, are half the posters on crack or what?

― Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Certainly.

Steve Mack from That Petrol Emotion has been seen a punk gigs lately in my town. That makes me happy for some reason.

― Ya gotta agitate, educate, organize (Bimble...), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

New Order singles collection CD, the 7" one, can be obtained in the HMV 2 for £12 offer. The problem is finding the other half of the 2.

Those new 12" with remixes on are on 3 for £10 offer. Not a huge saving, but worth it if you want the lot, I suppose.

This is my helpful shopping tip for the day.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 13 March 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

eleven years pass...

These crazy words of mine!

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 03:29 (seven years ago)

"State of the Nation" and the "Sub-Culture" remix are not even close to being the worst New Order songs but this journo is clearly well-versed in popular journalistic opinion of the band that always rates them as such!

Take those two out and throw in any of the tracks from the 'Lost Sirens' collection.

― yesca, Sunday, 20 August 2017 03:39 (seven years ago)

Yeah, 'World in Motion' is pretty dreadful. It definitely deserves a spot on that list.

― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Sunday, 20 August 2017 03:51 (seven years ago)

'World in Motion' has always and will always continue to rule. Sorry, snobs.

― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 20 August 2017 07:59 (seven years ago)

World in Motion is a complete joy, especially the rap.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 20 August 2017 08:13 (seven years ago)

Yes

― Mark G, Sunday, 20 August 2017 08:43 (seven years ago)

TS: A-side rap vs B-side rap

https://youtu.be/7N4mIa4NNHk?t=3m13s

― nashwan, Sunday, 20 August 2017 14:33 (seven years ago)

"World in Motion" is marvelous.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 14:56 (seven years ago)

I'm an American who hates sports so... "World in Motion" is definitely in the top ten worst for me. It's hard to describe how let down I felt the first time I put that 12" on.

― yesca, Sunday, 20 August 2017 15:21 (seven years ago)

I'm an American who hates sports.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 15:22 (seven years ago)

Tom Ewing otm: http://freakytrigger.co.uk/ft/2010/12/englandneworder-world-in-motion/

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 15:23 (seven years ago)

I mean I've read a lot of impassioned articles about how important this song was and how it was some turning point for the perception of the band. For myself, New Order's combination of inventiveness and portentousness up to that point clouded some of the goofiness that was happening in the lyrics department (which in retrospect should have been obvious to me with songs like "Every Little Counts") and hearing this made them suddenly sound like any other terrible top ten UK pop thing. It was the first chink in the armor before we get to other super lazy pop stuff like "World" all the way through "Superheated". For some I get that this was a celebration of the pop tendencies that were always there but for me this was the beginning of the band getting knocked down from heaven and become just mere mortals. :)

― yesca, Sunday, 20 August 2017 15:47 (seven years ago)

goddamn pop music

― Neves Say Neves Again (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 August 2017 15:56 (seven years ago)

uh, the inventiveness and portentousness (I'm not sure what this means but anwyway) required the goofy lyrics!

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 16:53 (seven years ago)

uh, the inventiveness and portentousness (I'm not sure what this means but anwyway) required the goofy lyrics!

uh, why?

― yesca, Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:10 (seven years ago)

A large part of New Order's greatness is their insouciance. What better way to demarcate what they once were as Joy Division than to write songs with life/knife rhymes?

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:21 (seven years ago)

obv your New Order isn't mine. But I say you're misreading the history of a band who wrote "You caught me at a bad time/So why don't you piss off?" and recorded disco, not a genre known for its portent.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:23 (seven years ago)

I don't think was by design. That's by the limitations of the artist. :)

There's been several interviews with Saville where he summarizes things quite nicely. He references the NYT article about NO titled 'How Cool is Coldness?', waxes on about the delta between how they were presented and who they actually are, and how 'World in Motion' finally changed that perspective for some.

Anyhow, off topic. Back to worst NO songs!

― yesca, Sunday, 20 August 2017 17:33 (seven years ago)

World in Motion originated from an instrumental Steve and Gillian wrote. The band were not working together at the time. They did it for the money and it required little effort. I just don't even consider this an actual single.

― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 20 August 2017 18:48 (seven years ago)

That was a remix.

― Mark G, Sunday, 20 August 2017 19:03 (seven years ago)

The Making Out mix? I know there were a few around 89-90 that were done for TV by S&G and I'm pretty sure WiM was based on one of those songs.

― brotherlovesdub, Sunday, 20 August 2017 20:05 (seven years ago)

This is where I say I was wrong that one time eleven years ago.

― Ned Trifle X, Sunday, 20 August 2017 21:52 (seven years ago)

"State of the Nation" and especially "Sub-Culture (remix)" are two of their BEST songs. I love "World in Motion" as well, but I agree it could be an Other Two single - not a bad thing.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 21 August 2017 06:21 (seven years ago)

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