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this from Adam Sternbergh's cover story in New York Magazine called *Up With Grups*. "Grups" is his oh so not catchy term for hip 30 or 40 year olds who dress and act like they are 20 and listen to the same music that hip 20 yeard old people listen to. "Grup" comes from a Star Trek episode. The one with the creepy kids. Anyway, the cover is priceless. All these hip urban dudes with the exact same uniform on: hoodie, t-shirt, jeans, carrier bag. These are apparently the people who don't want to work for the man and who put Misfits t-shirts on their toddler. (there was a stand-up routine about this on Comedy Central, about a little kid in a Dead Kennedys t-shirt. "Your kid doesn't like the Dead Kennedys. He isn't cool enough!" or something like that and how it was just an advertisement for the parent's cool record collection.) Anyway, Neil Pollack is quoted like crazy cuz he has a book coming out called *Alternadad: The True Story of One Family's Struggle to Raise a Cool Kid in America*. Oh, you gotta read the article, it's a scream.

oh, and the very hippest of the Grups listens to: "Seminal bands you've never heard of(Montreal's the Nils; Bronx rappers Diamond & the Psychotic Neurotics)"

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)

i saw that cover and realized they were all of my customers

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

more like semen-al bands

― shock of daylight, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

haha I haven't read the article but I laffed at this week's letters page where dude was like "Adam Sternbergh you have plumbed the depths of my soul like no other"

oh and some woman was all "I'm glad I'm not the only lawyer who likes to stage-dive!!!"

― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:48 (twenty years ago)

ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

the nils?!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:51 (twenty years ago)

ILM is pretty much grup central. i probably qualify.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

his oh so not catchy term

it really is one of the sadder attempts at zeitgeisty coinage

― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:54 (twenty years ago)

i hadn't thought of diamond and the psychotic neurotics in ages.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:55 (twenty years ago)

what the hell parent can afford a baby sitter in manahattan so they can stay out until 4am if they've quite their corporate job?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:56 (twenty years ago)

a grup

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

Grups were adults who got a disease that covered them in purple and blue warts. Then they went crazy, became violent and died.

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.newyorkmetro.com/news/features/16529/

― Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

help, i've realized i'm a Yindie (or am i a yupster?)

― team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

the typos in the thread title are the result of me trying to type and feed my hipster baby at the same time.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

make sure he doesn't spit up on his dead kennedys shirt.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

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uh, no thanks

― team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Do guys really spend $200 on bedhead haircuts in NY?

― darin (darin), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

rufus, our three year old, has a cool shirt with the ac/dc logo, but it says AB/CD (and underneath efghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz)

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

I read a few paragraphs-- (HOW THE FUCK DO YALL AFFORD 800 DOLLAR STROLLERS?)

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

x-post
Actually, this story does progress from its ludicrous "ooh, a trend!" opening (the kind of stuff Mr. Sylvester so aptly, uh, parodied at the Voice) to a very good article about irresponsible parenting; but you have to slog through a couple of fairly painful pages to get to it.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:18 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006UW9KI.01-AEKIZOOW1W4NI._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:19 (twenty years ago)

"to a very good article about irresponsible parenting;"

you mean the part about making your kid listen to sufjan instead of the wiggles? yeah, that was harsh.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

i'm not a big wiggles fan, but rufus loves them. who am i to judge? i actually like them a little more after reading the 20 page epic on them in the times magazine on sunday.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

a friend sent me the link under the subject heading "you are such a grup." which i guess, kinda, without the deathcab or sufjan. or the $800 stroller, i think ours was like $350. (but it's "the same one jon stewart bought last week" according to the saleslady, so that's maybe gruppy.) but a lot of people i know would fall into the broad demographic, plus or minus having kids. anyway, i think the ilx parenting thread is probably more representative and more interesting than the article.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

people be bitchy!

honestly who gives two shits about this kind of "lifestyle" trendspotting.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

(altho I do approve of the excessive use of Star Trek: The Original Series tropes - bonk bonk! BONK BONK!)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

"Hucksters" - the new generation of magazine writers coming up with stupid buzz terms

― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

okay, I can't finish the article cuz its stuffed chock-full of navel-gazing sub-literate armchair sociology - the first example being that the writer seems to think the Generation Gap was some eternal fact of social stratification when (at least as far as I can tell) it was really only something that only briefly came into sharp focus because of the Baby Boomers. Prior to that point, I'm not convinced the divide between generations was all that significant (in terms of music I'm thinking primarily of pop music and jazz)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

navel-gazing sub-literate armchair sociology

yeah, standards round here are so much higher

― grup, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

well, we don't have editors, salaries, etc. this is the internet for chrissakes

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

The anecdotes about the jeans were really horrifying.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

you didn't get your check? (xpost)

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

be sure to bring that up next time some internet booster is arguing there is no dividing line between "real" journalism, blogs, message boards, and what have you

― grup, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)

the whole Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie dug the same music (Mr. Edwards on fiddle!)

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)

christ there's a world of difference between paid print journalism and internet blatherings (as we can tell from the anonymous forcefulness of your bullshit)

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Oh man, I'm so gruppy. I own the first Nils CD on Profile.

― Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 22:45 (twenty years ago)

A former boss once tried to convince me (at least half-jokingly) that having kids was great because you could indoctrinate them any way you wanted, giving as an example the fact that she'd taught her young daughter to say, "Miles Davis is cool."

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:02 (twenty years ago)

(Also, why is it always Death Cab for Cutie any more? I'm glad I don't really know what they sound like.)

― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:06 (twenty years ago)

So is this just the collective attempt of 30s-40s men to get into the pants of college girls?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

No, it's the effort of mid-20s writers to get into the pants of college girls by getting their names in magazines, even if it means stupid articles like this.

― mitya's new york minute (mitya), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:28 (twenty years ago)

http://store.babyrockstar.com/graphics/00000001/full-metalkid.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

http://store.babyrockstar.com/graphics/00000001/full-furvana.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:34 (twenty years ago)

http://store.babyrockstar.com/graphics/00000001/full-sex-us.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:35 (twenty years ago)

http://store.babyrockstar.com/graphics/00000001/full-darkside.jpg

― dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:38 (twenty years ago)

someone totally needs to make a killing joke baby rock star shirt

― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:41 (twenty years ago)

I kind of imagined that in my forties, I would be shilling for my generation's Marah or what-have-you, being like, "What I love about them is that I can hear everything I ever loved about rock music in their recordings and in their live shows." Also, I would be wearing slacks about the house on weekends, at least when I'm not gardening or repairing a bird feeder.

― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 23:43 (twenty years ago)

"I kind of imagined that in my forties, I would be shilling for my generation's Marah or what-have-you"

haha and complaining about Radiohead records being too "difficult"

― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

oh, and the very hippest of the Grups listens to: "Seminal bands you've never heard of(Montreal's the Nils; Bronx rappers Diamond & the Psychotic Neurotics)"

if this were the case, the story wouldn't make the grups seem so lame... but the only groups the author manages to namedrop (and with alarming frequency, i'll add) are franz ferdinand and bloc party. that's like saying, 'wow, ppl in their 30s listen to NPR!'.

― that's so taylrr (ken taylrr), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I read this last week. I actually kind of liked and sympathized with the part about wanting to do something interesting for a job, something that you give a shit about rather than wearing a suit and doing something boring for 40 hours a week until you're 65.

Then again, that's probably easy to say when you're loaded enough to spend $200 on a shitty haircut, $600 on jeans, and have enough loot to own a loft in Manhattan. I don't have, nor do I want, any of these things. I'm just tired of my job and want to do something different.

― joygoat (joygoat), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

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such a great album. you should have put that on the monotheist thread, ian:

I Have To Start An Official ILM Celtic Frost - Monotheist Thread

― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:15 (twenty years ago)

my gf thinks Pat Kiernan is secretly a hipster, which I don't get, but you can note a condescendingly sardonic tone to his voice when he has to read puff pieces off the teleprompter.
he does rule tho.

-- midi sanskrit (nutramentmik...) (webmail), February 24th, 2006 8:56 PM. (sanskrit) (link) (admin) (userip)

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:47 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/basic/img/basic2_lg.jpg

― smokemon (eman), Thursday, 6 April 2006 11:47 (twenty years ago)

Martian OTM.

I am realizing now that these are the people who actually buy magnet magazine

― banana squad (dayvidday), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh, man. Gurps is like my Velocity Girl.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Oops, I shoulda capitalized that. See, it's been a while.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:10 (twenty years ago)

Is GURPS for yupsterS?

― Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:31 (twenty years ago)

GURPS is for the nerdiest nerds in the nerd patch.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:34 (twenty years ago)

the nils?!

Seriously, THE The Nils?!?!?!?!?!

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:00 (twenty years ago)

Okay, ILM-heavy demographic, but how many people were actually listening to Joy Division and Killing Joke in the 80s? What about the 10 million teenagers who were listening to Phil Collins and Iron Maiden? Where's their fucking trendy handle?

Agh, Scott, the Doodlebops. I can't stand them.

Favorite Wiggles tune: "Our Boat Is Rocking On The Sea"

― Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 6 April 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

"Where's their fucking trendy handle?"

they get to be called "bobos" or something equally as lovely.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:03 (twenty years ago)

I only happened upon this site b/c: (1) I read New York magazine, which occasionally has amusing articles about mad rich people similar to those in Vanity Fair; and (2) I noticed that reference to The Nils in the article and had been Googling it ever since to see if any actual fans of The Nils picked up on the reference. Actually, The Nils are/were so sadly unknown outside of that I'd be amazed if that writer actually knows anybody who listens to them. That said, if anybody ever gets the chance to discover them (or the later incarnation, the band "Chino") you'll be richly rewarded with the best melodic post-hardcore (or "folkcore," which was actually a word once coined long ago to describe Husker Du) ever. The songwriter/singer Alex Soria was a contemporary of Husker Du and the Replacements who was as gifted as those other groups, not at all self pitying or artsy but just enormously humble and sadly doomed to a life of addiction, which ended when he jumped in front of a train two years ago. Seriously. Just a plug for a criminally unknown songwriter who deserved better.

― Terence Friedman, Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Looky, the clue train is rolling in, and it has some messages for Adam Sternbergh and his stunted view of the world, skewed by his idea that a small percentage of affluent, hip, narcissistic, hyperconsumer fashion victims in Manhattan and Brooklyn are somehow representative of Americans, or even humanity.

First of all, there has always been adults who stayed current with culture, be it art, literature, poetry, film or music. They've always been a relative minority, and they still are. Throughout the 20th century, some were categorized as bohemians, beats, hippies, anarcho-punks, avant-garde artists, etc. But they could have just as well been iconoclastic individuals in Kansas or Kentucky who diverged from the norm. The few people who realize that giving up new music is like never reading another new book or seeing a new movie. Personally I think it makes as much sense as giving up sex, eating or breathing. The actual increase in the percentage of people who stay tapped into youth culture nowadays hardly represents a seismic shift. Sure, there's more people into new music now than in the 70s and 80s, when punk and indie shows would more often than not have less than 20 people in the audience. But these people hardly represent a mass movement or paradigm shift. When I go outside on a weekday, I don't see throngs of grups. I still see a sea of suits.

Secondly, very few of these "grups" are affluent enough to afford $600 jeans, especially when they're raising children. Typically, this New York article takes time out to plug a "very hot, hip fashion label" run by Rogan Gregory, who designs jeans that are so distressed and tattered, they're likely to fall apart within a month. The article gives the impression that grups "want the world to know [they] can afford the very best in tattered jeans." Funny, the people I know would be mortified at the idea. They might as well just wear a sign on the ass, "Fashion Victim Lemming." The article winds up by crowing how noble the grups are for quitting their hamster wheel jobs and creating their own destiny by being autonomous and self-employed. They can somehow do this and still afford their posh lofts, babies as fashion-accessories, not to mention health insurance and $600 tattered jeans. Surprise surprise, a New York publication is once again holding up a handful of smug trust-fund babies and crediting them with a trend.

This is so far from reality it's not even funny. It's offensive to the people who do value culture, but can barely make ends meet, or at the very least cannot afford to live frivolously.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

See, it's weird - I read the article as being fairly critical of the grups' parenting style... and it didn't really make any claims that this phenomenon exists outside the described stratum of media-affiliated Park Slopers.

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Thursday, 6 April 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't see where the author qualified his statements as only applying to Park Slopers. Does the following sound like he is?

"This, of course, is a seismic shift in intergenerational relationships. It means there is no fundamental generation gap anymore. This is unprecedented in human history. And it’s kind of weird."

I think it's just the usual sloppy thinking and research used to prop up yet another ridiculous fashion spread.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Thursday, 6 April 2006 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Terence, the worst part is it wasn't Alex that was supposed to go first.

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Friday, 7 April 2006 01:28 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone on this board NOT have baby boomer parents who played the Beatles for them from birth?

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 7 April 2006 03:45 (twenty years ago)

HI DERE

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 April 2006 03:48 (twenty years ago)

Dad was born in 1940, mom in 1944, me in 1971. The Beatles were just something on the radio and, thanks to Yellow Submarine, on the TV every so often.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 April 2006 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, perhaps I phrased the question wrong. Point remains though -- pop-culture indoctrination of one's kids not exactly a new thing.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 7 April 2006 03:51 (twenty years ago)

"Did anyone on this board NOT have baby boomer parents who played the Beatles for them from birth?"

Nope, oddly enough neither of them really liked rock (though I love it). I gotta admit that my mom's tapes of funky early 70s Motown and their shared love of 80s synthpop had a definite effect on my musical tastes.

― just another chicagoan (just another chicagoan), Friday, 7 April 2006 06:21 (twenty years ago)

Me: 1970, Mom: 1945, Dad: 1936

Neither of my parents owned a Beatles record - my dad listened to whatever was popular at the time (he was a disco & yacht rock fan in the 70s), my mom's taste ran to classical, world music, and movie soundtracks (though in the 80s she was into Depeche Mode and The Cure, which further skewed my view of the universe).

When I was around 10 or 11 I discovered Bowie, Queen, Pink Floyd, it was like aliens were raining from the sky. Never liked the Beatles, they always sounded like music for little kids, which is kind of ironic for a little kid to be thinking...

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 12:51 (twenty years ago)

Though I did play the hell out of an "Eleanor Rigby" 45 we had laying around...

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 12:53 (twenty years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/never_trust.jpg

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:10 (twenty years ago)

that baby is pretty smart.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:22 (twenty years ago)

My love for music is entirely mine. Fairly similar demographics to Edward III, although my parents were a little older. I found ONE Beach Boys record in my parents' stash, and some Al Hirt and maybe Herb Alpert. My mind still reels at the ways I would have missed the history of the 60s, if left to my parents' devices.

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:27 (twenty years ago)

my parents were too old for the beatles as well. my dad was a huge jazz fan, so occasionally i would get covers via maynard ferguson or someone. i probably heard R&B covers of Beatles songs at home too. or by someone like Nancy Wilson. i did become a huge beatles fan at a very young age though. but not because of my parents, i don't think. my dad did make me a sly & the family stone fan when i was little though.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:28 (twenty years ago)

my dad had a copy of Led Zeppelin 2 when i was little, but i didn't listen to it until i was older. he never played it. i don't know why he bought it. later, he became a huge southern rock fan.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:30 (twenty years ago)

my dad did make me a sly & the family stone fan when i was little though.

That's definitely something to be thankful for.

In other news, my wife's become a big Arctic Monkeys fan since their SNL appearance. Now my 2 year old daugher walks around going "Listen... artic... monkee!" and 5 year old son has taken to randomly shouting "I don't want to hear you KICK ME OUT KICK ME OUT." So Arctic Monkeys may have a shot at a US fanbase in the under-10 demographic.

No $400 haircuts or fasionably distressed jeans in our house, though.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

you guys let your kids listen to songs with lines like "the band were fuckin' wank"?

― yuengling participle (rotten03), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

that baby is pretty smart.

Haha, at first I thought the shirt said "never trust a baby", which would be much cooler.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Friday, 7 April 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

you guys let your kids listen to songs with lines like "the band were fuckin' wank"?
-- yuengling participle (pton_mwaa...), April 7th, 2006 3:44 PM.

Not intentionally, no. Apparently my wife hasn't discovered that particular f-bomb... the heavy Sheffield accent helps I guess. I must thank you, sir, for saving my family from this insidious overseas threat.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Although both the wife and I are not above drop-the-volume/skip-the-track machinations around the small ones.

― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

My dad (1947) played a lot of southern rock (ZZ Top, Allmans, not so much Skynyrd) and yacht-rock/Steely Dan. When I was a little older, I remember coming home from school and he'd be watching Yo MTV Raps or something. Also a big fan of the B-52s and Dee-Lite hits of the late-80s/early-90s.

The only music I can remember my mom (1951) listening to was Phil Collins solo and Enya. She liked those Gregorian Chants CDs, but I don't remember when that phase was.

― Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Friday, 7 April 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Your dad sounds cool.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 7 April 2006 23:04 (twenty years ago)

It does bear noting that the magazine is called New York, not America or Humanity.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 10 April 2006 02:59 (twenty years ago)

With GRUPS, you can be anyone you want -- an elf hero fighting for the forces of good, a shadowy femme fatale on a deep-cover mission, a futuristic swashbuckler carving up foes with a force sword in his hand and a beautiful woman by his side . . . or literally anything else!

― smokemon (eman), Monday, 10 April 2006 03:06 (twenty years ago)

haha.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 10 April 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

xx-post - slow applause for Matos

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Monday, 10 April 2006 03:53 (twenty years ago)

my fucking dad started it, still listening to frank sinatra well into his 40s, like didn't he know that stuff's for teenagers?

― dr x o'skeleton, Monday, 10 April 2006 08:19 (twenty years ago)

These are apparently the people who don't want to work for the man and who put Misfits t-shirts on their toddler.

Oh shit, I was just gonna place an order. :-)

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 10 April 2006 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone on this board NOT have baby boomer parents who played the Beatles for them from birth?

My parents were born in 1929. My dad played Hank Williams for me from birth. They didn't like the Beatles, except for "Yesterday." Around 1971, whenever I played Emerson Lake & Palmer's debut (faux classical piano) or Savoy Brown's Raw Sienna (w/clumsy bigband horn arrangements) my mom would knock on my bedroom door and ask "what's that you're listening to? do you call that rock?"

how many people were actually listening to Joy Division and Killing Joke in the 80s?

of course. hmmm. maybe I am too old for this place?

― ILM is my midlife crisis (lovebug starski), Monday, 10 April 2006 09:23 (twenty years ago)

xx-post - slow applause for Matos
-- joseph cotten (josephcotte...), April 9th, 2006

and here I thought I was actually making a point, albeit an oblique one.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:39 (twenty years ago)

maybe I am too old for this place?

Nonsense. If anything, we're all too young.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Ned. I was like, "were they all listening to Raffi then?"

Not only did my parents not like the Beatles I'm sure neither one of them wore a pair of bluejeans in the entire lives. That changed with the baby boomers, where parents and their children started wearing the same clothes as well as listening to the same music. The previous generation dressed like grownups even when they were dressing down. And their parents, my grandparents' generation, forget about it. Old people looked a lot older back in the day, it's hard to explain, just check out a vintage photo of Eisenhower or Harry Truman. That's what my grandafthers looked like.

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Monday, 10 April 2006 13:58 (twenty years ago)

luke's little brainiac daughter totally called him a grup in the last episode of the gilmore girls. and then she explained the star trek reference. and at the end of the show they played angst in my pants by sparks. just thought i'd throw that in there. it may catch on yet!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 14 April 2006 21:24 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

god remember when death cab for cutie were a thing? oy. that was the year this country lost its innocence. it only took four years for them to be completely erased from a nation's collective memory. until today. shit, sorry...

― scott seward, Monday, 15 November 2010 19:40 (fifteen years ago)

I thought you hated the indica & were swearing it off

― honkin' on joey kramer (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, 15 November 2010 19:42 (fifteen years ago)

Oh, man. Gurps is like my Velocity Girl.

― Eppy (Eppy), Thursday, April 6, 2006 3:10 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark

i am dying here

― not everything is a campfire (ian), Monday, 15 November 2010 19:47 (fifteen years ago)

"I thought you hated the indica & were swearing it off"

i gave it away! i AM listening to Barefoot Jerry sing their 1975 hit "Hero Frodo" right now though.

― scott seward, Monday, 15 November 2010 19:48 (fifteen years ago)

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