True Or False: No Greg Ginn, No Nirvana.

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I'm going with TRUE.

― hyde park records (colonel), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, as in the Hyde Park Records that thrived in Orange County fifteen years back?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm goin with "maybe".

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

definitely true! it's hard to imagine any of the early bands on Sub Pop without the influence of My War.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

False, Nirvana would have just sounded different - like blood, charisma will out

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Nirvana had charisma?

― Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dustygroove.com/images/products/c/charizmapea_bigshots~_101b.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

NO BUTTERFLY: NIXON WINS!!!

― Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

no esteban nobody liked 'em at all, I was totally bein' sarcastic

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Ned Raggett: Yeah, sure.

THE ANSWER IS TRUE, START ANSWERING LIKE THAT.

― hyde park records (colonel), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting thought.

When you consider Ginn as not only a musician, band leader, and songwriter but also as a label head and tour organizer then yeah, his inlfuence reaches deep, deep into AmRep/Sub Pop/Man's Ruin/Melvins country, which is a chunk of Nirvana's sound.

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Hyde Park Records as in the dude Boomer I know?

― O-Keigh (O-Keigh), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

O-Keigh: yeah sure. The guy in the camo shorts and sandals? He's right here.

― hyde park records (colonel), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

no jerry no ginn no melvins no nirvana

― dan (dan), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://gratefuldread.net/archives/jerry-peace.jpg

― dan (dan), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Tell Boomer Tex says howdy.

― O-Keigh (O-Keigh), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

No Greg Kihn, no Nirvana

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

What If.....the Knack's debut Had Never Existed.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

But hey, the next time you're sneering at someone in a Nirvana shirt, just remember how retarded you look walking down the street with the words "Ned's Atomic Dustbin" across your chest.

― Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

OH BURN!

― hyde park records (colonel), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

Alex OTM as well, Nirvana wouldn't have existed as they did without the Knack OR Black Flag!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

But hey, the next time you're sneering at someone in a Nirvana shirt, just remember how retarded you look walking down the street with the words "Ned's Atomic Dustbin" across your chest.
-- Bring Me The Head of ESTEBAN BUTTEZ (estebanbutte...), May 2nd, 2006.

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OH BURN!
-- hyde park records (inf...), May 2nd, 2006.

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Ok, this is the more interesting side debate of the thread here.

― DOQQUN (donut), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ned's > Nirvana

― 111, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

Alex OTM as well, Nirvana wouldn't have existed as they did without the Knack OR Black Flag!

But Cheap Trick and Big Star were more important influences than The Knack, weren't they?

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

No Ian, no Henry; No Henry, no Greg after 1981.

Then again, no Slickee Boys, no Ian . . .

(This is a boring game.)

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody ever read about when Kurt Cobain sent SST records a Nirvana demo tape just to have Greg Ginn turn it down? If Greg Ginn had ultimate controll over what music gets heard then there would be no Nirvana. Ha!

It would be more accurate to say without the Melvins there would be no Nirvana. They were Kurt's first inspiration.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

If Nirvana had been put out on SST at that point, would anyone have listened to the record?

― Soukesian, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we should call The Beatles "Kurt(dt)'s first inspiration".

What I'm wondering is, could I have taken the skinny hop-head in a fist fight? Later years, of course.

Soukesian: After listening to Zoog's Rift & Crazy Backwards Alphabet records, one probably gets tired of "new sounds". AND THANK GOD.

― hyde park records (colonel), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

If Nirvana had been put out on SST at that point, would anyone have listened to the record?

That's an interesting point. That first album was definitely helped along sales-wise by the whole early Sub Pop (love) buzz. Then again, people were still listening to new SST releases at that point - the first Buffalo Tom record came out on SST at around that time, and that did okay.

― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

But I don't buy this no Greg Ginn, no Nirvana business at all. No GREG SAGE, no Nirvana - perhaps...

― NickB (NickB), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

No Greg Proops, no Nirvana. Kurt was a massive fan of the Buddy Holly-faced improv comic, and in fact the majority of "Bleach"'s lyrics were taken from a 1987 stand-up routine the band saw in Seattle.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

No Thomas Edison, no Nirvana.

― js (honestengine), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

"But I don't buy this no Greg Ginn, no Nirvana business at all. No GREG SAGE, no Nirvana - perhaps...
-- NickB (nic...), May 3rd, 2006."

this's da troof!!!

― eedd, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm thinking of taking this back to Son House

― historyman, Wednesday, 3 May 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

No Sujan, No Nirvana, No Shoes, No Shirt, No crediblity

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 May 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm no Nirvanamaniac but did see a Cobain list of the 10 greatest albums of all time (might have been in the Diaries book). I think he might of even had two Black Flags on it. I remember for sure that My War was one of the 10 because it seemed like such an oddball choice.

― Carlos Keith (Buck_Wilde), Saturday, 6 May 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

I always thought he was more about The Melvins and The Wipers as some others have said.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 6 May 2006 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

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