diversity of metal vs diversity of rap

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in a discussion elsewhere I said rather glibly that hiphop/rap is more diverse in styles than metal. and was then challenged to name some 300bpm satanic rap. anybody know of a group that comes close?

― Dan Gr (certain), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Who cares? Download Reason and make it yourself if you feel the need to match up every sub-sub-genre of metal to one in rap.

― DougD (DougD), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

atari teenage riot?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

dumbest argument ever. requires that you first draw clear genre boundary lines (good luck with that)...

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.norselaw.com/

actually, they're kinda slow, and kinda bad. great website, though.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Also, how fast was Esham's group Natas? (faster than the Argentine stoner metal band Natas, I'm pretty sure.)

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

i like the idea that to be a "diverse" genre you have to be fast and satanic.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

anybody know of a group that comes close?

Bacon & Egg, a metal (duo) band.

Search down here for "Bacon:"

Rolling 2006 Metal Thread

Like the band xhuxk mentioned, they're goddamn awful.

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Any fast & satanic ragtime out there that I can get a hold of?

― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Hatebeak. Oh wait, that's only Satanic parrot-time.

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

there's also the group with a pit bull for a singer, i think they did a split with hatebeak.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

To be a diverse genre you have to have parrots and pitbulls.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

doug + shakey, you miss the point. clearly it's a joke. but to come back to his joke challenge with an actual group would be funny. plus, who isn't curious as to the existence of a super fast satanic rap group. what's the fastest rap group anyway? i didn't think any hiphop pushed above the 200s.

― Dan Gr (certain), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Ragtime = not diverse
Pirate music = almost diverse
List of animals with strong jaws as genre of music = truly diverse

― max (maxreax), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

There are fast rappers.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Metal and rap are both among the least diverse genres out there.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Raise the BPMs high enough and all music sounds alike.

― Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 1 June 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

What genres are diverse? There's no less variation in metal or rap than there is in any other genre. Name a genre that doesn't ultimately fall back on stylistic and lyrical tropes. Genres that do vary radically are not usually real genres, but broad labels applied to stylistically dissimilar bands.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 1 June 2006 08:11 (nineteen years ago)

In metal's defense, it does pillage other genres pretty liberally. A typical post black metal band will use a broad pastiche of other popular genres, including cabaret, trip hop, drum n' bass, industrial, fusion, jazz, classical, modern composition, folk music, noise, and even scat. There are subgenres of metal that are exceedingly slow and subgenres that are exceedingly fast, there are metal bands that sing about lost love and bands that sing about rape and pillaging, bands that use folk motifs and bands that use jazz guitar, bands that sing abour early 20th century German Jews and bands that sound like nowave jam spazzing. The idea that metal is homogenous might be true superficially, but really there is a great degree of breadth and diversity that casual audiences either don't notice or choose not to notice because they've reduced music to some bullshit ideology.

Same goes with hip hop.

― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Thursday, 1 June 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with most of that, James, but no way does a "typical" black metal incorporate all that stuff--at least not aubibly. Certain metal bands incorporate some of those genres sometimes, definitely; typical black metal bands just play damn black metal. Still, anybody who doesn't think both metal and hip-hop are diverse isn't listening.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

"typical post black metal band"

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

same thing. any band that incorporates ALL that stuff is atypical by definition. (and any that claim they do are probably lying; in fact, can you name even one that pulls in all that stuff in successfully? i've sure never heard one, and i've heard a hell of a lot of metal records.) (two or three of those genres? well, maybe.) but metal's a whole lot more diverse than just (post) (black) metal anyway.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe "use a broad pastiche of other popular genres, including..." *doesn't* mean james is claiming typical bands pull in all of them? i dunno, maybe i'm misreading him, and i don't want to nitpick. if his point is that all of those influences wind up *somewhere* in metal (not just post-black etc), of course they do.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

(and they always have, long before there was a "black" metal to be "post" to. metal's diversity is not in any way a new thing.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

man, don't ask me, I don't know what the fuck dude's talkin' about!

I just thought maybe the word "post" was important or something

― bernard snow (sixteen sergeants), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Metal and rap are both among the least diverse genres out there.

Wrong. If you bothered to listened to them then you would know that of course.

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

hip-hop crowd on a metal concerto?

― schanden (ritual), Thursday, 1 June 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

Name a genre that doesn't ultimately fall back on stylistic and lyrical tropes.

Prog

Also, electronica. Particularly after the electronica acts from the mid 90s onwards didn't fear making electronic music anymore.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Particularly after the electronica acts from the mid 90s onwards didn't fear making electronic music anymore.

electronica acts didn't fear making electronic music?

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

withinside of metal there are only two genre: canadian werewolf true pitchblack metal and pussy christian weakling pretend musics

― Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

there is also power metal but everyone else laughs at that

― Mr. Vas Djifrens (byzantum), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm. Didn't fear making melodic music, I mean :)

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://pop.wizbangblog.com/images/2006/03/eddie-van-halen.jpg
What about the metal bands with members who have false teeth in them?

― George 'the Animal' Steele, Thursday, 1 June 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

― schanden (ritual), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

more like ;$

― schanden (ritual), Thursday, 1 June 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

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