I hate to be such an ignorant fuck, but please help me get started on country music...

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I love the sound of country music, but I just don't know where to start in getting into it. I love both Gram Parsons and the Flying Burrito Brothers (sorry for being a pathetic indie bastard -- when you find out about music mainly from pretentious fucks on the internet, it's hard to hear about much country other than these), as well as some of the late 60's/early 70's Rolling Stones ("Love in Vain," in particular).

So, yeah -- help me get started in country music. I'm not looking for the slow brooding sort, really - like I said, I'm coming from Gram Parsons and the Rolling Stones, and I love them both. Plus, I've always been more of a punk music guy myself. Anyway, feel free to recommend whatever.

i'm waiting for the day (Lee is Free), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

you really have something against the search function, don't you. what genre will it be next week? fuck country, you wanted some sludge last week, go buy the new negative reaction album. then buy some country.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

Jimmy Rodgers.

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

i can't wait for "what is this thing called funk?" and "please to tell about this house music?". no offense though. we are ready and we are bored. mostly.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

Love in Vain = Blues, no?

A Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:08 (nineteen years ago)

just get yourself some hank williams and be done with it.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

just get yourself some hank williams and be done with it.

Hank I or III, that is.

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

I was actually asking myself the same question today, and I discovered Jody Hughes, Country Music 1927 - 1980: Songs of Despair, Suicide, Murder, and Love. Funny it comes from Berlin, but it served as a great introduction.

Jena (JenaP), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Many xposts, but since I already wrote this, I'm gonna post it:

Check out some Buck Owens -- maybe Rhino's two "Very Best Of" CDs. Hardcore rock-informed honky tonk. Johnny Paycheck's "The Real Mr. Heartache" is similar, even tougher stuff, with titles like "Pardon Me (I've Got Someone to Kill)." "The Essential Gary Stewart." Jerry Lee's "Killer Country." George Jones on Mercury. Get a Roger Miller record with stuff like "King of the Road" and "Dang Me" on it -- stick with the original recordings on Smash or Mercury. Waylon Jennings -- a set with "Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way," "Only Daddy That'll Walk the Line," etc.

Oh yeah, and Johnny Cash -- sounds like you'll want the "Folsom Prison" and "San Quentin" albums, and something like "The Sun Years" or "The Complete Sun Singles."

A personal fave, if you can track one down: Jim Lauderdale's "Pretty Close to the Truth."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

"you really have something against the search function, don't you. what genre will it be next week? fuck country, you wanted some sludge last week, go buy the new negative reaction album. then buy some country."

What are you referring to?

i'm waiting for the day (Lee is Free), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

olivia newton-john
john denver
anne murray

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

olivia newton-john
john denver
anne murray

To call these folks sludge is SO unfair. How about "mud"?

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Regarding the link I posted above, there's an inexplicable 5 minute into of chirping birds before the show starts, don't let that discourage you though, it loads pretty quick, so scroll over.

Jena (JenaP), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

"What are you referring to?"

i'm referring to the tons of country threads that already exist. even threads on stuff similar to the flying burrito brothers. that's all. they can be handy. your questions tend to be very broad about genres in general, and there are usually lots of existing threads that you can refer to. it's no big deal though. if people don't mind repeating themselves over and over, you will get some good tips.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

maybe you will find some good stuff on this other thread that you started:


Looking for some country or blues hybrid albums

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

you are a repeat offender!!:


Music along the lines of Sleep (Dopesmoker) or Electric Wizard (Dopethrone)

Sludge

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

Bahahahahaha. Lee has started an awful lot of recommendation type threads:
Search Results

Marmot 4-Tay: forth-coming, my child. forth-coming most righteous champion (mar, Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

Scott, could I interest you in a few 'ludes?

Shoes say, yeah, no hands clap your good bra. (goodbra), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

I like the way you've come to a bunch of "pretentious fucks on the internet" to get your help, given that all you know about country is from pretentious fucks on the internet.

Lots of little essays on periods and substyles in country at the bottom of this page: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=73:27. See what sounds good and then look at the album recommendations there. Given what you know, you may want to work back from alt-country. Check out Steve Earle and Jimmie Dale Gilmore.

pleased to mitya (mitya), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

i could use something. they don't make 'ludes anymore though. i just know that lee will hear country music someday. i'm rooting for him. as i was on this thread:

Has any band dared to mix country and noise-rock?


at least he's THINKING about country music.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 24 June 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

All this snark...what would Hank think?

Start with a good Merle Haggard best-of (the more prison songs, the better), Willie Nelson's Red Headed Stranger, Hank Williams 40 greatest hits and Dolly Parton's best of from the 1970s. George Jones too.

After that, you want to go in a more authentic rootsy direction, get the Louvin Brothers. If you're more inclinded towards the modern sounds of country music, then it's all Glen Campbell, all the time.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Saturday, 24 June 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

Watch Joe Maphis clips on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/results?search=joe+maphis&search_type=search_videos&search=Search

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 24 June 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's strange that someone who's so outraged that a topig might get repeated is spending so much time posting on this thread (and digging up other threads...) instead of posting meaingful, informative replies on all of those far more original threads that exist on ILM.

Wait. It's "the internet". Maybe it's not so strange, after all.

Anyways, I don't really know much about country music. But you should endeavor to avoid Garth Brooks' "Chris Gaines" album, from all reports.

vartman (novaheat), Saturday, 24 June 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

Just stick yer finger in yer ear and wail. Country music home stylee!

tolstoy (tolstoy), Saturday, 24 June 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

I can't speak for Scott but...it's not outrage that a topic is repeated more like annoyance that the info Lee seeks is already available AND THEN SOME just by clicking the Search function down there at the bottom of the page. One of the nice things about ILXOR is the user-friendly interface...also some of us who posted on previous threads y'know put some effort into it and repeating yourself is never as informative you forget stuff etc. At least Lee's not like the racist bimbo who requested jazz recommendations here last year, only to dismiss Thelonious Monk as "instrumental."

anyway a country primer.

Hank Williams 40 Greatest Hits

Merle Haggard Songs I'll Always Sing

Loretta Lynn The Country Music Hall of Fame

Lefty Frizzell Look What Thoughts Can Do

George Jones Anniversary: 10 Years of Hits

Buck Owens & the Buckaroos Live At Carnegie Hall

Ernest Tubb The Definitive Collection

Dolly Parton My Tennesse Mountain Home

Willie Nelson Phases & Stages

Waylon Jennings Honky Tonk Heroes

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 24 June 2006 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

Did you ever read this? About a million recommendations here, and not just their names; people actually TALK about them. I linked to it from your "country and blues" thread. Maybe read it this time?

Rolling Country 2006 Thread

That said, the Greatest country album ever is one m coleman mentioned:

Merle Haggard *Songs I'll Always Sing*

And Hank Jr beats Hank III any day.

I also have a feeling you might like some Joe Ely and David Allan Coe and John Anderson if you were to hear them. Unless you don't.

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 24 June 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm coming from Gram Parsons and the Rolling Stones" so you should check out Wilco's "Being there" for sure.

emekars (emekars), Saturday, 24 June 2006 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

i highly recommend Dwight Yoakam. Probably my favorite current mainstream country music. some of his stuff is very rockin and a rollin.

AaronK (AaronK), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

a nation/state unto himself:

Jerry Lee Lewis Lewis Country

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 24 June 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

the racist bimbo who requested jazz recommendations here last year, only to dismiss Thelonious Monk as "instrumental."

o my heart... somebody catch me...

The Time-Life Classic Country Collection was repackaged into 4CD sets for Costco a few years ago and I got 8 CDs covering the early 50s to mid-70s for about $60. A really good overview of the high points. They've totally repackaged all that stuff into thematic sets instead of chronological sets, but you could still do worse.

I will commence to drop a knowledge bomb. (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 24 June 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

def. check out darryl worley's "have you forgotten." i'm not trying to start an argument about politics or anything like that, but his earnest patriotism and sense of justice in a time of tragedy shines through probably like nothing you've ever heard. highly recommended. also, this isn't really country music as much as it is a comedy movie, but check out "captain ron" starring kurt russell and martin short. plenty of gut-busting laffos in that one, believe me!!

ath (ath), Saturday, 24 June 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Willie Nelson - Red Headed Stranger.


Get it now.

Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Saturday, 24 June 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

The Essential Willie Nelson (The RCA one, not the Sony one)
Dwight Yoakam - If There Was A Way
Everything that Rickey Wright recommended.

Definitely pick up George Jones "Cup Of Loneliness". Great 2-CD anthology of Jones' Mercury years.

Troll through used record stores and pick up early Ray Price albums from 1955 to 1964. Some of the best honky tonk ever committed to wax.

Find a good compilation of 60s/70s Loretta Lynn.
Get the first three Greatest Hits LPs by Tammy Wynette.

Webb Pierce "King Of The Honky Tonk"
Ernest Tubb "The Definitive Hits Collection"
Faron Young "The Complete Capitol Hits Of Faron Young"

Look for LPs by Mel Street and Gene Watson (stick with his 70s output.

Brooker Buckingham (Brooker B), Saturday, 24 June 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.alkenmrs.com/soapsrus/images/emvidemmerdance.jpg

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Saturday, 24 June 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

>Gene Watson (stick with his 70s output. <

Actually, Gene's 2003 *Gene Watson...Sings* was really good. (Though, for all I know, it might have been his first good album since the '70s. He's definitely somebody I need to research more.)

A lot of the recommendations on this thread are really good. What's sad is that they're also almost all really OLD, as if listening to country music just means going to a museum and paying your respects. There is tons of great country coming out NOW, if you look for it.

That said (and to contradict myself), you might consider buying a good Western Swing compilation, or looking into Bob Wills, Milton Brown, Roy Newman, Adolph Hofner, Smokey Wood, etc. Those guys rocked. And if you want to go back even further, invest in a copy of *A Lighter Shade of Pale: White Country Blues 1929-1936.* Or if you want to avoid history lessons, just pick up a Shooter Jennings album (first one is best, but new one has a couple great tracks. And it's what, maybe the 15th or 20th best country album this year so far?)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 24 June 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

you definitely want some Dwight Yoakam. the '80s collection is a good starter.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 24 June 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band - Will The Circle Be Unbroken

http://static.last.fm/coverart/300x300/1421842.jpg

a great big turk running amok with a machete (kenan), Saturday, 24 June 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

And oh yeah, if you want some hardcore honky tonk from this year, try Dale Watson's *Whiskey or God.* Might be right up your alley. (Also, hell, buy some Toby Keith. He's as good as most of the people on this thread, even if he's not a hall of fame relic quite yet.)

xhuxk (xheddy), Saturday, 24 June 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_sessions

PappaWheelie 2 (PappaWheelie 2), Sunday, 25 June 2006 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm no expert on Country Music by any means (and not a great lover of an awful lot of it to be honest) but given that the request starts by mentioning that "I love both Gram Parsons and the Flying Burrito Brothers", I'm a little surprised that no-one's mentioned Emmylou Harris yet (Rhino's Anthology: The Warner/Reprise Years would seem like a good place to start); and given that he goes on to describe himself as "being a pathetic indie bastard" who is "coming from Gram Parsons and the Rolling Stones", equally surprised that no-one's mentioned Neil Young (Decade must surely the obvious starting point here).

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 25 June 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

(Fwiw I've always been more of a punk music guy too)

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Sunday, 25 June 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Gotta say, that new Johnny Cash thing bored me to tears. I think it probably should've been left in the "Personal File" from whence they unearthed it (no pun intended).

Hopefully American V will be more interesting, but I doubt it. :/

vartman (novaheat), Sunday, 25 June 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

Try WCBN (stream at wcbn.org) on Saturday mornings. The shows you want are Bill Monroe For Breakfast and the Downhome Show. They'll give you a great sampler with a lot of stuff from the '30s through the '70s, and are such awesome geeks that they can talk about the music without making you want them to just shut up already.
They can occassionally veer toward the sultry female alt-country stuff, but that's OK every now and then.

js (honestengine), Sunday, 25 June 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

That said, the Greatest country album ever is one m coleman mentioned:

Merle Haggard *Songs I'll Always Sing*

-- xhuxk (fakemai...), June 24th, 2006. (tracklink)

I don't think I've ever agreed more with any statement made on ILM.
My dad played this 8-track constantly year after year as we drove through the country in our motor home. This and a Johnny Cash greatest hits. It's basically my standard for judging all other music: Can I listen to this album 600 times and still like it?

I know the songs are all available elsewhere, but the actual ablum is out or print. Link, anyone?

ramon fernandez (ramon fernandez), Monday, 26 June 2006 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

Since u say yr a "punk music guy" (lolxlxx) u mite lyk dese:

Martina McBride "Independence Day"
Miranda Lambert "Kerosene"
Waylon Jennings "Are You Sure Hank Done It This Way?" (recommended by others; sounds not unlike the Velvet Underground)
Toby Keith "Whiskey Girl"
Garth Brooks "The Thunder Rolls"
Montgomery Gentry "Free Fall"
Ram Jam "Black Betty"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 26 June 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

And Shooter Jennings' "Daddy's Farm"

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 26 June 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Louvin Brothers - Satan Is Real
Anita Carter - Ring Of Fire Comp
BILL MONROE!!!
Carter Family - You can get cheap anthologies...

FACEBRACE (FACEBRACE), Monday, 26 June 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)


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