Anyone who loves KISS is a fucking pussy

Omigosh. I hadn't even finished submitting that last post, and now they're talking about Paul Stanley playing the lead in the musical Phantom of the Opera (full circle, eh?). This is also news to me. Dear God.

If I love KISS and my favorite song of theirs is "I Was Made For Lovin' You," does that make me a double pussy?

If I love KISS and my favorite song of theirs is "I Was Made For Lovin' You," does that make me a double pussy?

no. but kiss are pussies for recording it.

And your're calling we Kiss fans pussies?

There is good, and there is bad. There is no such thing as "so bad it's good." Kindly try to bear this in mind before expressing opinions about art and culture where other people can read/hear them. Thank you.

This has a LOT to do with personal associations with their music--most people LOVED Kiss when they were kids and that trumps any kind of formalist critique you could make of their music (find me someone who got into Kiss in their 20's). No amount of yuppiefied revisionism is going to take away the thrills of learning "Parasite" on a shitty Gorilla amp or listening to "Cold Gin" with your bros while drinking Bud tins in some abandonded suburban lot.

Most aren't given a 'pass' for committing almost every musical (and fashion) crime known to man.

And this is precisely why Kiss is so great! I mean it took some serious balls to go from 2nd tier NY Dolls copycats to the pretentious art rock of 'The Elder' or the cleaned-up Reaganism of "Lick it Up", etc. We praise Miles, Bowie, Dylan for their visionary stylistic transformations, why not Kiss?

I can't say I listen to them much any more, but I heard the Alive version of "Deuce" in a bar recently--wow, that is some shit hot playing by Ace on that track!! Way better than anything Billy Corgan or Dave Navarro ever fucking did, anyway.

KISS is way better than the fucking Pet Shop Boys.You cut your argument off at the knees witht that admission.

Me! I mean, I'd been familiar with MTV-era Kiss all throughout my childhood in the 1980s, but it wasn't until I was in my twenties and started buying a lot of vinyl from the '60s and '70s that I really got into Kiss's first incarnation.

Anyway, Kiss are okay. The first album and maybe a decent one-disc best-of CD (Greatest Kiss, Mercury, 1997 is my pick) is about any sane person would need, I'd think.

And yeah, The Pet Shop Boys were better.

and, yeah, i love pet shop boys. i could never love kiss.

And I'm not sure I get the clunky thing. Not like they were Aerosmith or AC/DC or whatever, but there's tons of clunkier metal out there. "Rock and Roll All Nite" is not an horrible dance song.

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They had it from the start, but did they keep using it long enough for it to really count?

Yeah, that's the thing -- I'm thinking of *consistent* use, something that never once changes. Like Iron Maiden, say.

And live? Seriously? The PSB easily rank up there with the worst concerts I've ever seen. The PSB audience is home of the pussies.

rock'n'roll is first and foremost FUN music

Kiss rules! Why do we have to complicate things?

-nikki sixx

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also, both kiss and psb suck.

JERUSALEM -- The flamboyant, Israeli-born rocker Gene Simmons has sent a televised message of support to an Israeli soldier seriously wounded in fighting in Lebanon, calling him his 'hero.'

Simmons, 57, founded the heavy metal band Kiss in the 1970s and became famous for wearing white and black face makeup, spitting fire and sticking his tongue out at sold-out elaborate performances.

Simmons, the band's bass player, was born Chaim Witz in the northern Israeli city of Haifa before emigrating to New York as a child.

Simmons sent a video message this week to Ron Weinreich, an Israeli soldier and die-hard Kiss fan, who was seriously wounded in Israel's 34-day fight with Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon. Weinreich remains hospitalized and is paralyzed from the chest down. Above his hospital bed, a Kiss poster is spread across the wall.

Weinreich's brother had his wedding relocated this week to the hospital, so his brother could attend. At the wedding, the surprise recording was played.

"Hi Ron, this is Gene Simmons. I'm talking to you from my home. I can't tell you how proud I am of you, and how much the world and Israel owes you a debt of gratitude," he said. "From the bottom of my heart, you are a real hero, you are everybody's hero, you are my hero and I wish I could be there with you."

Suddenly switching to confident Hebrew, Simmons added: "My name is Chaim, I was born in Haifa."

He concluded by saying in English: "I wish you my best, a happy life and I hope the wedding comes off and everybody should honor you because you are a real hero."

-- Ungodly and Cream (ziggazigahh...), August 27th, 2006.

wake up, man. metal sucks. it's like a trucker hat, a tattoo, or drinking pabst blue ribbon, or having johnny cash on compact disc. so why in the world would being "least metal" be a bad thing? perhaps you were born in the 80s and didn't get to enjoy how bizarre the 70s truly were. HR pufnstuff, kiss, big collars, saturday morning tv, cereal, shag carpets, wicker chairs. kiss isn't about face value or pitchfork "cred". they want to make money and be living, breathing cartoon characters. is that a crime? i, too, was the biggest critic of kiss. i even started a webpage in the mid 90s dedicated to hating kiss. but one day i got really drunk and listened to their first album. i was hooked. then i listened to hotter than hell. i was a fan. then i listened to dressed to kill. now i have an ace frehley t-shirt. my advice to you: start drinking.

[...]but one day i got really drunk and listened to their first album. i was hooked. then i listened to hotter than hell. i was a fan.

nice try. pussy.

Terry Gross: Are you interested in music, or is the goal of being in a rock band to have sex a lot?

Gene Simmons: I believe in my heart that anyone who gets up there and says what they're doing is art is on crack, and is delusional, and that in point of fact, what they really ... their modus operandi initially -- perhaps it changed when they started to question their sexuality, but clearly, initially -- it was to get laid and make lots of money. And anybody who tells you otherwise is lying to you. The reason we all wanted to pick up instruments initially ... you know, publicly, anyway -- I will grant you there are those people who really love music and simply want to do it as a private pleasure. The jury is out, I have no comment, but as soon as you get up publicly and want other people to hear it, it seems odd that we really get off on the notion that the opposite sex, the fairer sex -- that's you -- like what we do. And perhaps, if we do it really well, you'll think, "Gee, he's not only talented and bright, but he's kinda cute, too." That's what we're hoping for. Against all odds. And in music, it's the great aphrodisiac that says that even though I'm short, fat, ugly, bald, and ... and I'm hung like a second-grader, but if I'm in a rock band, I've got a better than average chance of bedding you down than if I was a dentist. I didn't make those rules. I come from Israel. I'm ... I'm simply a student at your feet. This is what I've noticed.

(linked from Gene Simmons wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_Simmons )