Rudimentary Peni VS Flux of Pink Indians

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Who was more original/influential

― ali frazier, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:35 (twenty-three years ago)

i dunno but i broke a lamp in my house dancing around to Rudimentary Peni just last week!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 01:39 (twenty-three years ago)

pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope
pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope
pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo pope, pogo
pogo pope pogo
pogo pope pogo

― J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 02:02 (twenty-three years ago)

what planet is this?

― ron (ron), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 03:07 (twenty-three years ago)

the peni.

― your null fame (yournullfame), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

ive always wanted to get a few things straight.. was Peni really 15 when they recorded Farce and Death Church?

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 18 September 2002 06:59 (twenty-three years ago)

also, are the lyrics to that FOPI song really "i wanna marry a tube disaster"? if so, that's a great line so they win.

― dave k, Wednesday, 18 September 2002 15:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Douglas Wolk to thread!

― M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 19 September 2002 01:56 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...

no one answered me and i love PENI

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 08:58 (twenty-two years ago)

mdc

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 4 April 2003 09:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Original: Peni
Influential: FOPI

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 4 April 2003 11:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Both were generic but Peni

― SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Friday, 4 April 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Fucking Cunts Treat Us Like Pricks".

It must be years since I first saw that title listed somewhere and it has remained my all-time favourite title of any art form of any description. For that, FOPI rool. And I've never heard it or owt else by them.

― darren (darren), Friday, 4 April 2003 18:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Rudimentary Peni has been a band that I have wanted to check out for a long time. Where would would you recommend to start?

― earlnash, Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

DEATH CHURCH!!!!!

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 4 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-two years ago)

earlnash, check out "EPs of RP" - collected EPs, some of their best and most easily accessible stuff. "death church" is also very good, just don't start with any of their late-period albums...

― your null fame (yournullfame), Friday, 4 April 2003 23:12 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...

both peni and FOPI are killer

― ben dover, Tuesday, 10 June 2003 09:46 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

this isn't a competition is it? just listen to both dammit!

― michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

hey chaki, no they weren't fifteen, nick blinko was 19 when he formed peni

― michelle, Sunday, 29 June 2003 22:29 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks, michelle.

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 29 June 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

yup

― michelle, Sunday, 6 July 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

Flux is much more musically creative and enjoyable, lets say to be played at a kickback, w/ fellow punks over some screwdrivers and good conversation. Nick's lyrics however knock the shit outta Flux's and Peni's music would be fun as hell to slam to (oh, if only). It really comes down to if you prefer poetic morbidity and 30 second harcore, or political commentary set to neato catchy Crass like stuff. Last month I would've devoutly claimed that Peni was better, but right now I think it's Flux. -Fin

― Kevin Rhea, Friday, 1 August 2003 05:49 (twenty-two years ago)

very well stated

― michelle, Sunday, 3 August 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

three weeks pass...

Flux owns Rudi anyday, for one Flux was real, the drummer of Rudi ate meat, which is bullshit. So in closing, Flux owns.

MarxyBoy

― |-|4x0|7, Monday, 25 August 2003 04:23 (twenty-two years ago)

hahahahhahahahh`~~!!!!!

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 25 August 2003 07:11 (twenty-two years ago)

eight months pass...

Wow, I never knew that music was a competition! Im surprised that people are mumbling over the creativity of two of the most amazing bands we've seen. Just enjoy the music, not everything has to be a competition in this crazy rat race world.

― RadioSchizo, Wednesday, 28 April 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, plus its too hard to choose. They were both so fucking great.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

An easier one might be Poison Girls -vs- Icons of Filth

Cuz IOF would win easily.

Or Citizen Fish -vs- Schwarzenegger!

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Or Conflict -vs- Discharge That one is a toughie.

It might be a tie.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

For me it might be:

Crass
Flux
Subhumans
Rudimentari Peni
Discharge
Conflict

But that's just today. If I slept on it my answer might be different.

― scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 29 April 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Peni have a new EP coming out in June or July, I think (also they win)

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Thursday, 29 April 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

rudimentary peni and flux are very good bands. so it's hard to put one up against the other but sinse i listen more and having rudimentary peni as my fav band i guess i'd choose them. i doubt they were 15 when they wrote those songs.

― karie jenk (77 rudiments to reject), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 00:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Never cared for either, really. But I hate Rudimentary Peni.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know enough of either to have a preference but I'm very pleased that A) someone asked this question and that B) it actually drew righteous googlers!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Wednesday, 26 May 2004 01:11 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

Can we talk about how good the recent Rudi Peni "Underclass" and "Archaic" EP's are? Short, ultra-heavy, memorable songs. And not one mention on this thread about "Cacophony", their best by far... a very unique album of Lovecraft-drenched horror-punk goodies.

IF ANY SPARK OF LIFE BE YET REMAINING, DOWN, DOWN TO HELL, AND SAY I SENT THEE THITHER!!!

Never liked early Flux. I like 'Fucking Cunts' but my copy was the One Little Indian reissue without the lyrics - kinda pointless. Still wish I hadn't sold it.

What I like almost as much as the Peni is the post-FOPI album by Flux called "Uncarved Block". Very different, Adrian Sherwood and On-U Sound people participate and the music also has a lot more melody and color.

― sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:14 (twenty years ago)

C or D:: Flux "Uncarved Block"

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 6 February 2006 03:20 (twenty years ago)

awright! ilm unites behind unsung classic!

― sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 6 February 2006 04:20 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

i heard rudimentary peni for the first time this weekend. it fucked me up! the album "cacophony" woah nellie what a crazy record....

i had no idea shit like that was going on in the UK then, it totes gets written out of history....crazy talk.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:21 (seventeen years ago)

seriously like i had no idea hardcore continued on in the UK....you never heard about it, esp. this which is beyond twisted art/metal/hardcore/strangeness....it would seem to fit in better with what was happening in the US, late SST and touch & go and shit...but i thought everyone just stopped at a certain point in the UK...

― M@tt He1ges0n, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:23 (seventeen years ago)

yeah seriously! it's very overlooked.

― latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

"Flux of Pink Indians" is such a great name!

― roxymuzak, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

RFI - Crusty punk

― latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:42 (seventeen years ago)

good stuff. grindcore wouldn't have existed without this kind of music.

― latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 18:44 (seventeen years ago)

it's true!

― J0hn D., Monday, 31 March 2008 18:56 (seventeen years ago)

Cacophony is teh bestest, but I see I said that here already. There is so much detail in that album.

― sleeve, Monday, 31 March 2008 19:22 (seventeen years ago)

death church!

― chaki, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:48 (seventeen years ago)

listen to chaki

― latebloomer, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:04 (seventeen years ago)

RP have a new album out in about a month and I'm sorry to say it pretty much sucks :(

― DJ Mencap, Monday, 31 March 2008 22:56 (seventeen years ago)

hasn't that been true of most of the second incarnation RP releases?

i need to get EPs of RP on cd. goddamn, they were so good.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 03:37 (seventeen years ago)

Peni4evah.

― Raw Patrick, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 07:51 (seventeen years ago)

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― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 January 2021 18:11 (five years ago)

one month passes...

New ep and reissues on the way from Sealed Records!
https://www.punknews.org/article/74088/sealed-records-to-re-issue-rudimentary-peni-discography

― ringworm, Saturday, 20 February 2021 07:17 (five years ago)

awesome

― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:03 (five years ago)

Sealed records is a side-label of La Vida Es Un Mus, this is really good news because Paco the guy who runs that label is a total lifer and this isn't a reissue for money he really loves this stuff

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:19 (five years ago)

Excellent news! Southern records reissues seemed a bit dubious quality-wise.

― jvc, Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:21 (five years ago)

Southern were a pretty shitty label for a lot of reasons towards the end.

I wonder if this means the Alternative LP on Corpus Christi might end up getting reissued at some point, Sealed have already put out a reissue of the Omega Tribe LP. I know Overground records were planning to reissue Alternative but Southern wanted too much money to license it.

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:27 (five years ago)

love all those pics of the OG Ampex tapes in that Insta

It would be super cool if they reissued the first 2 EPs in original 7" packaging

― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 16:29 (five years ago)

awesome news! I'm hoping they reissue Archaic 10", I missed that one.

― braised cod, Saturday, 20 February 2021 19:44 (five years ago)

So is this yet another mastering to compare?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:13 (five years ago)

yes but I have a lot more faith in this one tbh

― Überschadenfreude (sleeve), Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:17 (five years ago)

missed getting the last batch. so hopefully catch up with these.
& the Crass titles are reappearing in more comprehensive fashion too.

― Stevolende, Saturday, 20 February 2021 20:19 (five years ago)

two months pass...

Rudimentary Peni has a new album 'Great War' out today (and on streaming services)! Quick listen tells me it's a bit more varied than the last few releases and the singer uses his voice a lot more. Apparently this was recorded several years ago but shelved until now.

― braised cod, Friday, 23 April 2021 09:59 (four years ago)

wait WHAT

― P-Zunit (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 April 2021 13:42 (four years ago)

it's another EP tbf!

― imago, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:06 (four years ago)

Just read that someone is wearing a Rudimentary Peni t-shirt in Oscars nominated movie Sound of Metal

― curmudgeon, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:07 (four years ago)

The rule with RP is: if it's an EP it'll be decent hardcore, if it's an LP it'll be earthshattering brilliance

― imago, Friday, 23 April 2021 14:07 (four years ago)

xp that is correct, a Cacophony shirt, he also wears Youth Of Today and Neubauten shirts, total hipster bait and a pretty good movie

― "Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Friday, 23 April 2021 15:06 (four years ago)

reissues of old stuff are coming this year too starting with Death Church!

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:43 (four years ago)

WHEN YOU ARE A MARTIAN CHURCH

― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Friday, 23 April 2021 16:44 (four years ago)

listening to a bit of the new one atm. some excellent guitar tones

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Friday, 23 April 2021 20:06 (four years ago)

I'm into it. just bought a copy from LVEUM

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 24 April 2021 01:45 (four years ago)

Yeah, I just assumed this had to do with Sound of Metal.

I've never heard them.

― clemenza, Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:13 (four years ago)

Peni is great

― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:33 (four years ago)

this sounds fucking great

― "Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Saturday, 24 April 2021 02:34 (four years ago)

awww this is awesome. their production is always great as it's raw but the riffs cut through with clarity

― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:22 (four years ago)

"Crimson Sun" fucking rules

― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:22 (four years ago)

it totally does, that one really stood out to me on first listen

― "Gaspar? No way." (sleeve), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:25 (four years ago)

i don't think I expected to enjoy this as much as I am enjoying this

― Filibuster Poindexter (Neanderthal), Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:28 (four years ago)

the guitar sound is so great in this

― braised cod, Saturday, 24 April 2021 14:38 (four years ago)

just bought Nick Blinko's book The Primal Screamer. 2021 is the year of Rudimentary Peni apparently

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 24 April 2021 15:02 (four years ago)

Just read that someone is wearing a Rudimentary Peni t-shirt in Oscars nominated movie Sound of Metal
― curmudgeon, Friday, April 23, 2021 9:07 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Honestly the first I had ever heard of RP

― jaymc, Saturday, 24 April 2021 15:19 (four years ago)

Am hoping that the Death Church reissue comes in the large foldout poster/sleeve.

― ringworm, Saturday, 24 April 2021 18:26 (four years ago)

one month passes...

Can only buy the new reissues through bandcamp?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 June 2021 21:52 (four years ago)

Oh, they're not out yet

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 12 June 2021 21:53 (four years ago)

three months pass...

More art books
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― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:46 (four years ago)

reissue of Death Church LP coming soon on Sealed, they will also be reissuing the 1st 7" EP next year

― sleeve, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:54 (four years ago)

two months pass...

Death Church reissue is up for order via Sealed records.

― ringworm, Friday, 3 December 2021 17:12 (four years ago)

two months pass...

sealedrecords
Plus forthcoming for 2022 and Beyond

SEAL-016 CHIN CHIN - Cry In Vain LP (Compilation including unreleased BBC Session)
SEAL-017 BIKINI MUTANTS - Bikini Mutants LP
SEAL-018 VARIOUS - GROUCHO MARXIST COMPILATION LP
SEAL-019 MODEL WORKERS - Cry 7"
SEAL-020 RUDIMENTARY PENI - Cacophony LP, CD and Tape
SEAL-021 ALTERNATIVE - If They Treat You Like Shit - Act Like Manure LP
SEAL-022 RUDIMENTARY PENI - EPs of RP LP, CD and Tape
SEAL-023 ORGANIZED CHAOS - LP
SEAL-024 KARMA SUTRA - The Daydreams Of A Production Line Worker LP
SEAL-025 TWELVE CUBIC FEET - Straight Out the Fridge 12”
SEL-026 RUDIMENTARY PENI - Pope Adrian 37th Psychristiatric LP. CD and Tape

2023 - The rest of the RUDIMENTARY PENI Catalogue

Plus we are moving into the odd magazine and book. We are putting together a Rudimentary Peni Book/Magazine with Interviews, Gig handouts and more

― bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:03 (four years ago)

Farce 12" reissue is coming on Crass/One little independent at some point too.

― ringworm, Thursday, 3 February 2022 17:33 (four years ago)

two years pass...

So how are the reissues? Probably time to buy now, they're on a list of 100 or so bands I've been meaning to listen to for at least 15 years

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 22 July 2024 16:44 (one year ago)

I'm sure they are fine, I have some other records that Sealed did and they sound great.

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 July 2024 17:08 (one year ago)

I got the s/t EP, Death Church and Cacophony reissues and can confirm they are good. the Farce reissue was on One Little Independent instead of Sealed and seemed to sell out immediately which is annoying.

― Colonel Poo, Monday, 22 July 2024 20:14 (one year ago)

i REALLY would love to buy all the posters they are selling because they are soooooooo friggin' cool but if i did they would just end up in a closet. if i were rich i would have them framed and put them all over my house.

https://ironlungrecords.bigcartel.com/product/a-nick-blinko-poster-collection-part-6

― scott seward, Monday, 22 July 2024 20:17 (one year ago)

the price is right too.

― scott seward, Monday, 22 July 2024 20:18 (one year ago)

nice!

― I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 July 2024 20:23 (one year ago)

two weeks pass...

Cacophony is the best punk record

― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 9 August 2024 17:08 (one year ago)

True!

― imago, Friday, 9 August 2024 17:33 (one year ago)

weird I was just blasting Death Church two days ago. timely!

― if this site were a food it would have NO nutritional value!!!!!!! (Neanderthal), Friday, 9 August 2024 18:21 (one year ago)

one year passes...

Cacophony is the best punk record
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, August 9, 2024 12:08 PM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

So true

― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 9 October 2025 20:02 (five months ago)

I mean, yeah

― imago, Thursday, 9 October 2025 21:23 (five months ago)

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