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a search for sigur ros (i'm preparing myself for the onslaught of hate that will inevitably arise when their new album comes at the end of the month) revealed the following post from the esteemed ned raggett:

I finally heard Agaetis Byrjun the other day in full. Um, nice, I suppose. I kept thinking of In the Nursery, though, who I adore and frankly prefer.
-- Ned Raggett (ned@kuci.org), March 11th, 2002 10:00 PM

in keeping with that spirit, this is the thread where you take a feted album by a popular band and recommend something *much* more obscure that trumps it at its own game.

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:08 (twenty-three years ago)

to start:

substitute: prefuse 73 / vocal studies + uprock narratives with machine drum - now you know

etc etc etc

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:10 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute My Bloody Valentine's Isn't Anything with Game Theory's song "Dripping With Looks".

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute Fatboy Slim's You've Come A Long Way, Baby with Freddy Fresh's The Last True Family Man (which does have a Fatboy guest spot nonetheless)

― Nate Patrin, Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

nate about six months ago i returned to that album after a long hiatus and was amazed by how *little* i liked any of it.

if i still had it, i'd put it on again for a re-assessment

― mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitue the whole catalog of Uncle Tupelo with that of The Ray Mason Band-See who gets drunk and falls down

― brg30 (brg30), Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

Is In The Nursery more obscure than Sigur Ros then?

― Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 6 October 2002 20:56 (twenty-three years ago)

substitute ilm with any other message board and see if you can tell the folgers difference.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 6 October 2002 21:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Is In The Nursery more obscure than Sigur Ros then?

Depends on who you ask, my dear Siegbran. :-)

substitute ilm with any other message board and see if you can tell the folgers difference.

Mmm, freeze-dried.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 6 October 2002 21:34 (twenty-three years ago)

Take off Dead Can Dance => put on Eleven Shadows.

― N0RM4N PH4Y, Sunday, 6 October 2002 22:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Take off Killing Joke - put on 1919

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 7 October 2002 07:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Zappa trumps all. Which is why his music is so hated hereabouts.

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 7 October 2002 07:27 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, come on Tad. Like you've never heard 'take off that Zappa record and put on this Beefheart'.

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 October 2002 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)

I mean even Zappa heard that once or twice.

― James Blount (James Blount), Monday, 7 October 2002 07:35 (twenty-three years ago)

Usually when Don was visiting him....

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 7 October 2002 07:43 (twenty-three years ago)

it seems more than perverse to describe something that sounds like The Wonder Stuff circa "Size Of A Cow" as "the first great straightforward pop record of the new century" or whatever they said about the New Pornographers.

tom posted this on a thread last year and while the wonder stuff surely aren't obscure around these parts, i'd never really heard them before. i downloaded 'the size of a cow' a couple minutes ago and that's a spot on assessment. i thought i'd use this thread to (on-topic) express my love for ilm, once again.

― brian badword (badwords), Monday, 7 October 2002 08:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Replace the last three Super Furries albums with Fonda 500's "No.1 Hi-fi Hair."

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 October 2002 08:59 (twenty-three years ago)

"Is In The Nursery more obscure than Sigur Ros then?"

Surely yes.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 October 2002 09:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Beachwood Sparks' album should have got the plaudits that "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" got. But I like YHF also.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 October 2002 09:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Although I don't *really* see the similarity, Basehead is often compared with De La Soul. Personally I never much liked 3FeetHigh... Play With Toys however is the shit.

― nathalie (nathalie), Monday, 7 October 2002 09:16 (twenty-three years ago)

don't the beachwood sparks just sound like the flying burrito brothers, though? i can't remember.

― brian badword (badwords), Monday, 7 October 2002 09:19 (twenty-three years ago)

figurine are better than ladytron.

poison are better than the strokes.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 7 October 2002 09:32 (twenty-three years ago)

The new Beachwood Sparks is less of a raw country album, more lush and dreamy in a latterday Rev fashion. It's mega, hasn't got enough praise on ILM.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 7 October 2002 09:37 (twenty-three years ago)

i took one look at In The Nursery and presumably mistakenly assumed this might be the nth album by some auto-electric psychic tv clone, 'cause there it was, filed next to psychic tvs presumably 5th, 8th, 9th and 11th (non)series albums -- psychic tv, far from obscure, but what was it on all those red-striped lps ?

― george gosset (gegoss), Monday, 7 October 2002 10:01 (twenty-three years ago)

poison are better than the strokes

This goes without saying. And Beechwood Sparks could be outperformed by bellybutton lint.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 October 2002 15:29 (twenty-three years ago)

kxlu vs. kuci FITE!

― gygax!, Monday, 7 October 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

Hee hee.

― Arthur (Arthur), Monday, 7 October 2002 16:12 (twenty-three years ago)

the backstreet boys are better than n'sync.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 7 October 2002 16:14 (twenty-three years ago)

substitute the magnetic fields with the fraser chorus. please.

― bucky wunderlick (bucky), Monday, 7 October 2002 19:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute John Astley for Robbie Williams.

― Chris Ott, Monday, 7 October 2002 19:46 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute Rick Astley for Robbie Williams.

― Nick A., Monday, 7 October 2002 19:54 (twenty-three years ago)

substitute the magnetic fields with the fraser chorus. please

Or Orange Cake Mix or...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 7 October 2002 20:27 (twenty-three years ago)

quit pretending to like Beefheart and put on some Motor Boys Motor.

― dan (dan), Monday, 7 October 2002 20:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Replace Garbage with Radio Iodine or Luxt.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:14 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh oh oh! Replace Alicia Keys with Nikka Costa, and replace Tori Amos's Strange Little Girls with Tori Amos's Y Kan't Tori Read?!

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:20 (twenty-three years ago)

kxlu vs. kuci FITE!

Heh, well the problem is: the Beachwood Sparks were popular amongst the KUCI crew as well, save Ned.

Besides, Refrigerator trumps any L.A. area band, period.

― donut bitch (donut), Monday, 7 October 2002 22:45 (twenty-three years ago)

Ricky Martin is okay, but if you want the real deal you should listen to Marc Anthony.

How's that?

― Rockist Scientist, Monday, 7 October 2002 22:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute Can with Birth Control

Substitute Jimi Henrix Experience with Ash Ra Tempel

― Rob McD, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 02:15 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute Jimi Henrix Experience with Ash Ra Tempel

Or solo Eddie Hazel!

― Nate Patrin, Tuesday, 8 October 2002 03:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Substitute the Swirlies with Swirl.

― paul cox (paul cox), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 04:55 (twenty-three years ago)

substitute this thread for this one

― sorry had to be said (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 05:26 (twenty-three years ago)

Replace your Nü Metal with Fidelity Jones.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 09:57 (twenty-three years ago)

Replace tracer's telltale profile with anonymity.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 14:55 (twenty-three years ago)

oh man thats a fantastic thread!!

i really liked in the nursery when i heard them on the wax trax box but they seemed a bit overdramatically goth, are they really that similar to boring old sigur?

― simon trife (simon_tr), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 16:05 (twenty-three years ago)

It's not an exact comparison, to be fair. I was thinking more in the sense of capturing an atmosphere of contemplative beauty, but more than once certain sounds Sigur Ros favors -- especially in the treatment of their guitars -- makes me think of ITN's various arrangements. ITN's conciseness and immediacy of mood work better than Sigur Ros's extended endless rise and rise up -- that becomes an end unto itself rather than actually going anywhere, at least for me.

FWIW, ITN these days has taken a series of much different turns than from its earlier Wax Trax associated years -- current projects include silent movie soundtracks as commissioned by film societies, as well their continuing series of albums. You've probably heard a lot of stuff via movie trailers, they do a fair amount of licensing. Their site is here, while I have an extended interview from a couple of years back up at this spot. Very friendly and intelligent folks! I honestly don't know what you'd think of the current music, Simon, but I suspect once or twice you'd find something to catch your interest.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 October 2002 16:38 (twenty-three years ago)

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