The metaphor is sound, it is a provocation and escalation that both want. If you respond, you have devilled yourself. Better to carry on it your own way, not to be driven off, not to be altered in your behaviour, not to be affected. Bydand - Remaining (though I am sure I have misspelled the Gaelic.
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago) link
It's hard to withdraw to a "safe place" and gather one's thoughts when there doesn't seem to be a safe place anywhere.
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 08:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― ladies and gentlemen, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link
I wish I could say that it didn't hurt, but I'd be a liar. Probably because he knows exactly where to aim. The fact that it's happened before, so many times, over and over, almost like an OCD compulsion doesn't *stop* it from hurting. In some ways, it makes it hurt more.
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Breathing exercises are part of anger management, and counting breaths is part of that. If I counted to 100 before taking a breath, I would probably turn blue and collapse. Which would end the argument quite effectively, though. Hah!
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link
If that makes me "not a good sport" or whatever to think this is just rude, cruel and spiteful, and not at all funny, then I'm not a good sport. Sorry.
And when someone continues to do it, long after the target has asked them to stop, that makes them a bully.
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 31 July 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masonic Boom (kate), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― Marco Salvetti (moustache), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
― ghetty green (eman), Monday, 1 August 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link
It's also interesting that just because I expect people to behave decently towards others, I'm "crazy".
The whole thing is a giant troll, it's like someone beating you on the head and then calling you the perpetrator. I'm sorry I'm not 21 and stupid anymore, or 19 or whatever, but I'd like to talk to the people I like without being harrassed by Ally, JBR, Jon, Chaki, or any of the rest of them. You don't see *me* searching for their old posts, out of context. What a bunch of wankers.
― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link
But if you wanna further alienate people, I got an idea how...
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link
What makes someone part of this vast conspiracy? Simply posting on the noise board? Making a joke about you? What if someone merely laughs at the joke? I think there are plenty of people who don't "hate" you, people who don't really care one way or the other, and even people who like you that managed to find some humor in all of the absurdity that took place.
Going on the defensive and lumping him into the "ENEMIES OF ORBIT" category simply because he posts on the noise board and made a relatively benign joke may serve to make that list of people longer, but I don't see any reason why you would need or want to do that.
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link
And what I did post that offended you: a kettle and a pot calling each other black, and then one of them saying "choke on vomit and die," which was a reference to something said about Jon NOT by you. If you read with any kind of scrutiny whatsoever, you'd realize I was implicating him as much as you,* and not in any particularly mean way. You were both being crummy to each other and calling each other out for retarded shit. Thus: pot and kettle.
Further -- why've you've gotta level charges of immaturity at me, or anybody else who dares disagree with you? The worst thing I ever said is that you've no claim to higher moral ground than anybody else on this dumb board, and I stick by that claim. But if this (rather inarguable) fact constitutes "trolling," than I guess I'm a troll.
Let me say this: I double-dog dare you to read through our conversation (here, right now, this one that we're having on this board) and tell me who's insulted whom? I've tried to be open with you, cajole you into some sort of honest conversation, and behave completely transparently. You've told me I "do a good job of alienating anyone who doesn't see my bullshit as funny" (which I presume means: you and you alone, since I've never put too much effort into being funny at anybody else's expense), called me "assholish" and snarked back at me when I tried to extend an olive branch admitting I'm not too funny.
Don't privilage your importance in my life, I don't by any stretch hate you, or even dislike you -- you're an angry girl on the internet -- but I sure as hell think you could benefit by trying to be being less bigoted towards some of us. Most of ILE is willing to forgive people for bitchiness in any form: you might try it too. That's why I'm taking the time to write this, because I _don't_ think you're a bad person at all, but because I want you to be clear on what I (and by extension, quite a group of others) feel about this stupid vendetta against a whole board.
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link
The Noize Board posts about me are lies, are insulting, and I don't see how you could defend treating another human being like that.
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link
2) *I* don't post creepy pictures after everything Jon posts, either.
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link
The ENEMIES OF ORBIT thing was more conceptual than literal, but whatever. The point here is not that some people on the noise board have given you shit. The point is that the noise board is not some unified bloc of mindless automatons with no thought but for single-minded hatred of you. (This is also conceptual, hyperbolic, and not literal.)
I'm sure it's tempting to just lump everyone together and make generalizations about them, but it's a rather dangerous practice. Can you truly state with certainty that almost everyone on the noise board posts cruel, cruel lies about you? If not, it's unfair (and perhaps... hurtful?) to paint the people who don't with the same brush and insult them.
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link
My point is that if you are offended by someone, or by a number of people, then limit your feeling about the specific incident(s) to the specific individual(s) in question. Don't amalgamate everyone who surrounds them into some collective symbol of your Enemy. The noise board does not share a hive mind, and plenty of posters probably do not give half a shit about any of this.
As, now, I do not.
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I don't need to waste my time re-posting the BS here so you can understand it. "They" is anyone who has dissed me, obv. and those who stand by and let harrasment happen. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? I'm thinking especially of a couple of *your* posts, btw, so let's just drop it.
― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link
You're right; I've made jokes about you, and found most of what's gone on pretty absurd and hilarious. My intention here, however, was to engage you rationally about something you were doing, rather than make fun of it. I have learned an important lesson today about the efficacy of the former.
I will gladly cease to attempt it.
― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link
I did not ban persistent trollers only to have arguments and recriminations spill over here. This place is a NOIZE-free zone. I refuse to have this place spoiled by endless arguments about it.
― Masonic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link
good thread
― bobby bedelia, Saturday, 17 May 2008 06:22 (sixteen years ago) link
::whatever::
-- ghetty green (eman), Monday, August 1, 2005 1:35 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link
― gr8080, Saturday, 17 May 2008 06:26 (sixteen years ago) link
SUMMARIZE PLX
― usic, Saturday, 17 May 2008 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link