Bullying and Emotional Terrorism

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To react to it is to justify their own hyperbole.

The metaphor is sound, it is a provocation and escalation that both want. If you respond, you have devilled yourself. Better to carry on it your own way, not to be driven off, not to be altered in your behaviour, not to be affected. Bydand - Remaining (though I am sure I have misspelled the Gaelic.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Everywhere feels very 'under attack' right now. I don't really understand all the bile. It just feels oppressive.

It's hard to withdraw to a "safe place" and gather one's thoughts when there doesn't seem to be a safe place anywhere.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 08:10 (nineteen years ago) link

Post your last post that you didn't post here!

ladies and gentlemen, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 08:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Calm down, go back to work, address things privately in the pub, where they should remain.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate to say I told you so.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm just so *bored* with this. It's been four years, enough already.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 10:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel kind of bruised inside.

I wish I could say that it didn't hurt, but I'd be a liar. Probably because he knows exactly where to aim. The fact that it's happened before, so many times, over and over, almost like an OCD compulsion doesn't *stop* it from hurting. In some ways, it makes it hurt more.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeffersonian Democracy: When angry count to ten before you speak. If very angry, count to one hundred.

Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

That's quite profound and pretty helpful.

Breathing exercises are part of anger management, and counting breaths is part of that. If I counted to 100 before taking a breath, I would probably turn blue and collapse. Which would end the argument quite effectively, though. Hah!

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Does being insulted, harrassed, name-called, stalked and otherwise persecuted hurt someone physically? No, you're right. It doesn't. Does it hurt someone emotionally or mentally, and otherwise just make them feel like shit? It does, actually.

If that makes me "not a good sport" or whatever to think this is just rude, cruel and spiteful, and not at all funny, then I'm not a good sport. Sorry.

And when someone continues to do it, long after the target has asked them to stop, that makes them a bully.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:16 (nineteen years ago) link

You've said what you need to say, now back away, and let that be the end of it. Don't let yourself get drawn back into it. It's not worth it.

It Is What A Man Does Which Demeans Him, Not What Is Done To Him (kate), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not just the perpetrators, it's the bystanders, that lend the whole thing a Lord of the Flies air.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 31 July 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

We should detain these emotional terrorists before they can strike.

Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Orbit OTFM.

Masonic Boom (kate), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago) link

::begone troll::

Marco Salvetti (moustache), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

::whatever::

ghetty green (eman), Monday, 1 August 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago) link

It's really interesting how the people who troll me and insinuate that I'm a stalker search every day for my posts so they can post them on the Noize board, completely out of context, and often over 2 years old. It seems I'm being stalked. I don't know what else to call it, when people take the trouble the actually SEARCH and sift through my posts from 2003!

It's also interesting that just because I expect people to behave decently towards others, I'm "crazy".

The whole thing is a giant troll, it's like someone beating you on the head and then calling you the perpetrator. I'm sorry I'm not 21 and stupid anymore, or 19 or whatever, but I'd like to talk to the people I like without being harrassed by Ally, JBR, Jon, Chaki, or any of the rest of them. You don't see *me* searching for their old posts, out of context. What a bunch of wankers.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i like them! though i have never met jon. he seems fine to me though. i haven't seen any of this fighting, i have to admit. perhaps it was on a thread i hadn't noticed before

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:04 (nineteen years ago) link

jon re-posts all of it, Ally calling me a bitch stalker etc etc. You have to be on the thread to see it at the time. Of course this works to their advantage, as many people don't see the provocation, only my outrage.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, i dont think i was interested in that thread.

charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:10 (nineteen years ago) link

you have no idea how refreshing it is to talk to a rational person.

Orbit (Orbit), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I really didn't take a side in any of the shit that went down, but it really friggin' bothers me that [certain people] feel that lumping all noize-board posters together and snarking on them en masse is justifiable: not participating /= upholding a Lord of the Flies atmosphere.

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link

remy OTM

Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago) link

(But I predict this doesn't receive a response).

Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago) link

Remy you trolled me on the mod board, and deliberately tried to attribute things to me that you know I did not say. You are part of it.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:28 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't troll you: I willfully colluded two quotes for harmless comic effect. Everybody understood it was base silliness, Orbit.

But if you wanna further alienate people, I got an idea how...

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:33 (nineteen years ago) link

You are doing a pretty good job of alienating anyone who doesn't see your bullshit as "funny". The most juvenile stance of all is to do something assholish and then say "just kidding!".

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:49 (nineteen years ago) link

If you are not with her, Remy, you are against her!

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not funny, Orbit.

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

I'll say.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Just go away. Air your hate on the Noize Board.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't think he hates you, Orbit, this little exchange notwithstanding. He had a fair criticism about the way you characterize the Noise Board and everyone on it, but rather than responding to it you attacked him for being "part of it." Which I think was really kind of his point.

What makes someone part of this vast conspiracy? Simply posting on the noise board? Making a joke about you? What if someone merely laughs at the joke? I think there are plenty of people who don't "hate" you, people who don't really care one way or the other, and even people who like you that managed to find some humor in all of the absurdity that took place.

Going on the defensive and lumping him into the "ENEMIES OF ORBIT" category simply because he posts on the noise board and made a relatively benign joke may serve to make that list of people longer, but I don't see any reason why you would need or want to do that.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Orbit, I didn't post but scantily on ILE for three months. And I come back and I'm lumped into some noize cadre because I dare point out that BOTH Jon and you have been acting ridiculously.

And what I did post that offended you: a kettle and a pot calling each other black, and then one of them saying "choke on vomit and die," which was a reference to something said about Jon NOT by you. If you read with any kind of scrutiny whatsoever, you'd realize I was implicating him as much as you,* and not in any particularly mean way. You were both being crummy to each other and calling each other out for retarded shit. Thus: pot and kettle.

Further -- why've you've gotta level charges of immaturity at me, or anybody else who dares disagree with you? The worst thing I ever said is that you've no claim to higher moral ground than anybody else on this dumb board, and I stick by that claim. But if this (rather inarguable) fact constitutes "trolling," than I guess I'm a troll.

Let me say this: I double-dog dare you to read through our conversation (here, right now, this one that we're having on this board) and tell me who's insulted whom? I've tried to be open with you, cajole you into some sort of honest conversation, and behave completely transparently. You've told me I "do a good job of alienating anyone who doesn't see my bullshit as funny" (which I presume means: you and you alone, since I've never put too much effort into being funny at anybody else's expense), called me "assholish" and snarked back at me when I tried to extend an olive branch admitting I'm not too funny.

Don't privilage your importance in my life, I don't by any stretch hate you, or even dislike you -- you're an angry girl on the internet -- but I sure as hell think you could benefit by trying to be being less bigoted towards some of us. Most of ILE is willing to forgive people for bitchiness in any form: you might try it too. That's why I'm taking the time to write this, because I _don't_ think you're a bad person at all, but because I want you to be clear on what I (and by extension, quite a group of others) feel about this stupid vendetta against a whole board.

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:38 (nineteen years ago) link

*I presume that this isn't just a fight you're picking because I'm 'tainted' by friendship with Jon.

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago) link

You are mischaracterizing what I said. I did not call him an "Enemy of Orbit", but I have seen what he has posted about me and it's not nice, and it's not funny. It is a Lord of the Flies dogpile and if you can't see that then I don't know what to tell you.

The Noize Board posts about me are lies, are insulting, and I don't see how you could defend treating another human being like that.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

And the difference, Remy, is that *I* don't post creepy pictures after everything that Jon posts, now do I? Calling me a troll is ludicrous.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago) link

1) You're not a troll, Orbit. And I'm sorry if I implicated you were.

2) *I* don't post creepy pictures after everything Jon posts, either.

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago) link

You are mischaracterizing what I said. I did not call him an "Enemy of Orbit", but I have seen what he has posted about me and it's not nice, and it's not funny.

The ENEMIES OF ORBIT thing was more conceptual than literal, but whatever. The point here is not that some people on the noise board have given you shit. The point is that the noise board is not some unified bloc of mindless automatons with no thought but for single-minded hatred of you. (This is also conceptual, hyperbolic, and not literal.)

I'm sure it's tempting to just lump everyone together and make generalizations about them, but it's a rather dangerous practice. Can you truly state with certainty that almost everyone on the noise board posts cruel, cruel lies about you? If not, it's unfair (and perhaps... hurtful?) to paint the people who don't with the same brush and insult them.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

You know, I read what I read. Check it out for yourself.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't even know what that means.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Read the noize board. You have participated in it. Why are you trying to act like you don't know what I'm talking about?

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I just didn't understand how it logically followed from my post since it addressed none of the points I had made.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Logic: I am not making generalizations because I have observed their behavior and what they post. Is that such a leap?

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Who is "they"?

My point is that if you are offended by someone, or by a number of people, then limit your feeling about the specific incident(s) to the specific individual(s) in question. Don't amalgamate everyone who surrounds them into some collective symbol of your Enemy. The noise board does not share a hive mind, and plenty of posters probably do not give half a shit about any of this.

As, now, I do not.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 04:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Look, I think the Noize Board, esp the "Enemy Thread" speaks for itself.

I don't need to waste my time re-posting the BS here so you can understand it. "They" is anyone who has dissed me, obv. and those who stand by and let harrasment happen. Why is this so difficult for you to grasp? I'm thinking especially of a couple of *your* posts, btw, so let's just drop it.

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:14 (nineteen years ago) link

People are trying to speak genuinely with you Orbit, can't you see that?

Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:42 (nineteen years ago) link

I think my grasp on your perspective, as well as the content of the Enemy Thread, is pretty firm.

You're right; I've made jokes about you, and found most of what's gone on pretty absurd and hilarious. My intention here, however, was to engage you rationally about something you were doing, rather than make fun of it. I have learned an important lesson today about the efficacy of the former.

I will gladly cease to attempt it.

Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 05:55 (nineteen years ago) link

You know what? Enough.

I did not ban persistent trollers only to have arguments and recriminations spill over here. This place is a NOIZE-free zone. I refuse to have this place spoiled by endless arguments about it.

Masonic Boom (kate), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 06:32 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...

good thread

bobby bedelia, Saturday, 17 May 2008 06:22 (sixteen years ago) link

::whatever::

-- ghetty green (eman), Monday, August 1, 2005 1:35 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

gr8080, Saturday, 17 May 2008 06:26 (sixteen years ago) link

SUMMARIZE PLX

usic, Saturday, 17 May 2008 07:25 (sixteen years ago) link


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