― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:00 (twenty-two years ago)
19521. Bicycle Thieves (De Sica) 1949 - 252. City Lights (Chaplin) 1930 - 193. The Gold Rush (Chaplin) 1925 - 194. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 165. Intolerance (Griffith) 1916 - 12Louisiana Story (Flaherty) 1947 - 127. Greed (Von Stroheim) 1924 - 11Le Jour se leve (Carne) 1939 - 11The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) 1928 - 1110. Brief Encounter (Lean) 1945 - 10Le Million (Clair) 1930 - 10La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 10 19621. Citizen Kane (Welles) 1941 - 222. L'avventura (Antonioni) 1960 - 203. La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 194. Greed (Stoheim) 1924 - 17Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizogichi) 1953 - 176. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 16Bicycle Thieves (De Sica) 1949 - 16Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein) 1943-46 - 169. La Terra trema (Visconti) 1948 - 1410. L'Atalante (Vigo) 1934 - 13 19721. Citizen Kane (Welles) 1941 - 322. La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 283. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 164. 8½ (Fellini) 1963 - 155. L'avventura (Antonioni) 1960 - 12Persona (Bergman) 1967 - 127. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) 1928 - 118. The General (Keaton/Bruckman) 1927 - 10The Magnifficent Ambersons (Welles) 1942 - 1010. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizogichi) 1953 - 9Wild Strawberries (Bergman) 1957 - 9 19821. Citizen Kane (Welles) 1941 - 452. La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 313. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa) 1954 - 15Singin' in the Rain (Donen/Kelly) 1952 - 155. 8½ (Fellini) 1963 - 146. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 137. L'avventura (Antonioni) 1960 - 12The Magnifficent Ambersons (Welles) 1942 - 12Vertigo (Hitchcock) 1958 - 1210. The General (Keaton/Bruckman) 1927 - 11The Searchers (Ford) 1956 - 11 19921. Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - 432. La Regle du jeu (Renoir, 1939) - 323. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) - 224. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) - 185. The Searchers (Ford, 1956) - 176. L'Atalante (Vigo, 1934) - 15The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1928) - 15Pather Panchali (Ray, 1955) - 15Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925) - 1510. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968) - 14 20021. Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - 462. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) - 413. La Regle du jeu (Renoir, 1939) - 304. The Godfather and The Godfather Part II (Coppola, 1972, 1974) - 235. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) - 226. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968) - 217. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925) - 19Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) - 199. 8½ (Fellini, 1963) - 1810. Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen, 1951) - 17
19621. Citizen Kane (Welles) 1941 - 222. L'avventura (Antonioni) 1960 - 203. La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 194. Greed (Stoheim) 1924 - 17Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizogichi) 1953 - 176. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 16Bicycle Thieves (De Sica) 1949 - 16Ivan the Terrible (Eisenstein) 1943-46 - 169. La Terra trema (Visconti) 1948 - 1410. L'Atalante (Vigo) 1934 - 13
19721. Citizen Kane (Welles) 1941 - 322. La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 283. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 164. 8½ (Fellini) 1963 - 155. L'avventura (Antonioni) 1960 - 12Persona (Bergman) 1967 - 127. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer) 1928 - 118. The General (Keaton/Bruckman) 1927 - 10The Magnifficent Ambersons (Welles) 1942 - 1010. Ugetsu Monogatari (Mizogichi) 1953 - 9Wild Strawberries (Bergman) 1957 - 9
19821. Citizen Kane (Welles) 1941 - 452. La Regle du jeu (Renoir) 1939 - 313. Seven Samurai (Kurosawa) 1954 - 15Singin' in the Rain (Donen/Kelly) 1952 - 155. 8½ (Fellini) 1963 - 146. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein) 1925 - 137. L'avventura (Antonioni) 1960 - 12The Magnifficent Ambersons (Welles) 1942 - 12Vertigo (Hitchcock) 1958 - 1210. The General (Keaton/Bruckman) 1927 - 11The Searchers (Ford) 1956 - 11
19921. Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - 432. La Regle du jeu (Renoir, 1939) - 323. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) - 224. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) - 185. The Searchers (Ford, 1956) - 176. L'Atalante (Vigo, 1934) - 15The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer, 1928) - 15Pather Panchali (Ray, 1955) - 15Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925) - 1510. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968) - 14
20021. Citizen Kane (Welles, 1941) - 462. Vertigo (Hitchcock, 1958) - 413. La Regle du jeu (Renoir, 1939) - 304. The Godfather and The Godfather Part II (Coppola, 1972, 1974) - 235. Tokyo Story (Ozu, 1953) - 226. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Kubrick, 1968) - 217. Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein, 1925) - 19Sunrise (Murnau, 1927) - 199. 8½ (Fellini, 1963) - 1810. Singin' in the Rain (Kelly, Donen, 1951) - 17
I have to admit a fondness for the 1952 poll. I'm sure to the Cahiers generation some of its choices seem stultifyingly obvious, but given the dominance of auterist criticism over the past 50 years, and the elevation of certain figures and movements at the expense of others, it's heartening to see examples of poetic realism, the early sound musical, neorealism, documentary film, and the "tradition of quality" on the list.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:21 (twenty-two years ago)
I wouldn't make too much of the appearance and disappearance of various silent films since 1962, since the ones that made it one year, were probably bubbling just under the top 10 the next. The exception I think is Sunrise--for whatever reason, the 1990s saw a big leap in that film's exposure and appreciation.
But: Where did Chaplin go anyway? He disappears completely from the top tens after his strong placing in the 1952 list. I wonder if the strong hold his larger-than-life personality had on filmmakers of several generations had worn off by the 1960s. Or perhaps younger critics simply were tired of hearing older critics intone "Chaplin is God" without justifying that enthusiasm, as seemed to happen to often. (Chaplin-philia reaches really dizzying heights if you read pre-1950s criticism. After a certain point--say The Kid, or A Woman of Paris--he seems to have been taken for granted as the genius of the cinema, alongside Griffith.)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)
(gleaned that from this thread, which gave S&S polls the once-over too)
― jones (actual), Friday, 2 May 2003 16:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― jones (actual), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)
the 1952 list is wonderful, but some combination of the 72 and 02 lists would probably suit me best. I have a weakness (can you call it that?) for the art-house european stuff. there was some real wacky shit in the 2002 list if you look farther down tho, and The Searchers really should be in the top ten, even I wouldn't personally vote for it.
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 2 May 2003 19:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)
Found this online:
1992 1. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941)..........................43 2. La Regle du Jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939)........................32 3. Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953)...........................22 4. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958)...........................18 5. The Searchers (John Ford, 1956)............................17 6. L'Atalante (Jean Vigo, 1934)...............................15 The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1928).....15 Pather Panchali (Satyajit Ray, 1955).......................15 Battleship Potemkin (Sergei Eisenstein, 1925)..............15 10. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)..............14
Directors: 1. Orson Welles...............................................58 2. Jean Renoir................................................50 3. Jean-Luc Godard............................................42 4. Alfred Hitchcock...........................................39 5. Charles Chaplin............................................36 6. John Ford..................................................34 7. Satyajit Ray...............................................32 8. Yasujiro Ozu...............................................30 9. Carl Theodor Dreyer........................................29 10. Sergei Eisenstein..........................................26
You can see every poll up to 1992 here: http://www.cinepad.com/awards/ss.htm
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)
The top ten at http://www.sensesofcinema.com/ is always interesting to compare:
1. Vertigo (Alfred Hitchcock, 1958) 66 2. Citizen Kane (Orson Welles, 1941) 37 3. 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968) 35 4. Sunrise (F. W. Murnau, 1927) 27 5. La Règle du Jeu (Jean Renoir, 1939) 26 6. The Searchers (John Ford, 1956) 25 The Thin Red Line (Terrence Malick, 1998) 25 8. Seven Samurai (Akira Kurosawa, 1954) 24 9. Tokyo Story (Yasujiro Ozu, 1953) 23 10. Au Hasard, Balthazar (Robert Bresson, 1966) 22
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)
Most of the shifts in the canon as reflected in the S&S polls can be traced to specific shifts in film studies, in distribution, etc. I think that's the most interesting aspect of all. Especially since the polls and the individual ballots have this cover of GREATEST OF ALL TIME when in reality there are all kinds of crazy contingencies and pressures that are rarely acknowledged.
I'm happy to see The Thin Red Line on that last list--kind of a rebuke to the anarchonistic quality of the S&S poll. Also nice to see Balthazar, a film that has so far gone undistributed in the USA, though Rialto (bless their hearts) are about to change that.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
yay! now only if Sunrise was more easily available.
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:48 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/topten/poll/list.php?list=voters&votertype=director
Many of their choices seem more honest, still some come off like shameless liars -- Joel Schumaker perhaps.
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 2 May 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― slutsky (slutsky), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't think one is any less honest a standard of quality than the other.
― ryan (ryan), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)
also note: this board frequented by some very sharp minds in the crit-dept - mind p's &q's on the sweeping bashes
― jones (actual), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― PVC (peeveecee), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)
Now I adore his films but read Michael Mann's ballot and you will see bullshit on nearly unprecedented levels. I don't doubt his honesty in making his choices but his way of justifying them reeks of totally calcified, unchallenged soundbites half-remembered from survey courses.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:18 (twenty-two years ago)
Michael Mann ballot:
Apocalypse Now (Coppola)Coppola made the ephemeral dynamics of the mass psyche's celebratory nihilism, its self-destructive urges and transience, concrete and operatic. A fabulous picture.Battleship Potemkin (Eisenstein)Eisenstein invented not just film form, but a dialectical theory of the construction of cinematic narrative. He laid the theoretical foundation in 1924 and embodied it in cinema's greatest classic. Its influence in British, Weimar and American cinema is extraordinary.Citizen Kane (Welles)A watershed that perceives and expresses content in a grand way, never done before.Dr. Strangelove (Kubrick)The whole picture is a third act. It codifies and presents as outrageous satire the totality of American foreign and nuclear policy and political/military culture from 1948 to 1964. And it's more effective for being wicked ridicule than any number of cautionary fables.Faust (Murnau)Invented what had never been done before and delivered magic in both its human pathos and visual effects. (My selection is based on having viewed an excellent 35mm print.)Last Year at Marienbad (Resnais)A defining film. It's almost the end of modernism when counterposed against Godard.My Darling Clementine (Ford)Possibly the finest drama in the classic Western genre, with a stunningly subjective Wyatt Earp (Henry Fonda). And it achieves near-perfection as cinematic narrative in its editing and shooting.The Passion of Joan of Arc (Dreyer)Human experience conveyed out of the abstract elements of the human face and pure compositions. No one else has shot and realised human beings quite like Dreyer in this film.Raging Bull (Scorsese)We are so sucked into the failing and besotted life of La Motta and his need for and pursuit of redemption. The humanity of the picture is as extraordinary as Marty's execution, with its near-perfection in the economy, staging, blocking and compositions.The Wild Bunch (Peckinpah)No other picture captures the poignancy of 'the last of', a fin-de-siècle sense of the West, of ageing, of the pathos of twilight.
― amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 2 May 2003 21:25 (twenty-two years ago)
George Romero's list is pretty good:
If I were to attempt selections based on content or craftsmanship, I'd be intellectualising. I'd probably sound phoney, and I would no doubt include one or two of my own films which, intellectually, I believe to be works of genius. I prefer to think of top ten as meaning favourite. When I'm condemned to hell - a good bet - I'll probably drag along a sack full of DVDs. When Charon says, "You can only bring ten. Feed the rest to Cerberus," which ten will I pick? To last me an eternity?The Brothers Karamazov (Brooks)Nobody is going to agree with me on this one. It's corny, it's Hollywood. But it's got The Yul. It's got Lee J., Baseheart, Salmi. It's got foxy Claire Bloom. It's even got Captain Kirk! And Maria Schell. Wow! She does a dance in a tavern, fully clothed, which might be the sexiest dance ever recorded. What can I tell you, the music makes me cry. And so does David Opatoshu.Casablanca (Curtiz)Those wonderful airplanes, wonderful hats, a wonderful gin joint. All wrapped up in one of the greatest flicks of all time. Dr. Strangelove (Kubrick)I wish I could pick all of Kubrick. I know, intellectually, that he's done 'better work', but Strangelove cracks me up. Lolita runs a close second, but having grown up in the days of 'duck and cover', in a perverse way I do love the Bomb. I also figure that when I'm in the ovens Sue Lyon won't be much of a turn-on any more, Shelly Winters will only make my pain worse, and I can get my Peter Sellers fix from Strangelove. High Noon (Zinnemann)How can anyone get through an eternity without ever again seeing a Western? Having grown up with Hopalong, I love Westerns, and I have a lot of faves... You might ask, "How can I pick a Western that doesn't star The Duke?" Well, I have The Duke covered (see below). But High Noon has Princess Grace and it has The Coop! I can't go to my damnation without The Coop. King Solomon's Mines (Bennett)Here's another one that will make the entire staff at the entertainment desk of Village Voice snicker. Come on, guys. I'm already going to hell! Let me enjoy myself, will ya? I grew up at the Loews American in the Bronx. Aside from 'forbiddens' like The Blackboard Jungle and (gasp) God's Little Acre, the most provocative glimpses of 'adult behaviour' we ever laid eyes on came to us from the grand Hollywood spectacles our parents took us to see because they believed them to be 'safe'.North by Northwest (Hitchcock)Faced with eternal damnation, I figure I'm going to want some fun. Maybe Cary, in that cornfield, will make my hell seem a bit less hellish. The Quiet Man (Ford)I was raised a Catholic, so it might be this film has an extra tug on me. But as I watch it, even in my now-corrupted state, each time I fall more in love with it.Repulsion (Polanski)We're now in what is thought of as my 'zone' - the horror film. Many wouldn't place Repulsion in this category, but I do. Is Jaws a horror film? Is The Silence of the Lambs? Yes. And they've elevated the genre. But hey, man, we're talkin' Roman here! You want scary. Take it from a scary guy. Go watch Repulsion.Touch of Evil (Welles)Faced with hell, who needs Citizen Kane? I'd take Touch of Evil any day of the eternity. Not the 'restored' version. Bring on Mancini!The Tales of Hoffmann (Powell, Pressburger)This is one notch out of alphabetical order, but I decided to give it the status of last position because it's my favourite film of all time; the movie that made me want to make movies.
― miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Saturday, 3 May 2003 00:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 18 May 2003 21:27 (twenty-two years ago)
On the other hand, Jonathan Rosenbaum's is just about pitch perfect in a more traditional way.
― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 19 May 2003 01:02 (twenty-two years ago)
Star Wars (Lucas)Raiders of the Lost Ark (Spielberg)Rocky (Avildsen)Jaws (Spielberg)Forrest Gump (Zemeckis)Superman (Donner)Jerry Maguire (Crowe)Casablanca (Curtiz)Back to the Future (Zemeckis)Pulp Fiction (Tarantino)
By being completely mundane, he's being iconoclastic - nobody else voted for Raiders of the Lost Ark, Rocky, Forrest Gump, Superman, Jerry Maguire, and (!!) Back to the Future.
― Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 19 May 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)
Here's the top 119 from the 1992 poll - a pretty good canon.
Don't know if anyone's done anything similar for the latest one. I did my own mini-poll consisting of everyone who voted for a Renoir film (because there's no excuse for failing to do so); unfortunately the drive I put it on died. But it was a great canon.
― b.R.A.d. (Brad), Monday, 19 May 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)
does anyone know when the restoration (the one we have today) of "rules of the game" was exactly? the mid-50s? i guess those who voted for it prior to the 1952 poll were largely going on their memories of the film's brief french release of 1939-40.
― amateur!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)