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hey dudes, 1st win yesterday! wilkerson hits for the cycle! and, uh, loaiza's starting today, yeesh.

anyway, they need a thread. i might become a fan.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

FREE YOUPPI!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

hstencil, I made a BLOCKBUSTER counteroffer on your trade proposal.

― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 April 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

hmm pavano for a. ramirez?

― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Don't infect other threads w/ fantasy (I kid).

Loaiza fine for 5, just coughed up a 3-run lead with 2 walks, 1 hbp.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

dude. chad cordero is getting it done. last night and this afternoon.

― the leglo (the leglo), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

2-1, baby!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 7 April 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

nice vic by the nats. what a bonehead play by lofton that guillen shot!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 8 April 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

youppi's on the verge of being freed. well, sort of, anyway -- the canadiens are reportedly going to buy him.

― maura (maura), Sunday, 10 April 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Please post reviews of the new 'ballpark' here upon attendance.

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

anybody catch the article on bowden in yesterday's wapo?

" He calls people "Dawg" often, as in, "What kind of story you writin', Dawg?" During spring training, Bowden wore loose-fitting nylon sweat suits so often the Nationals players began to call him "Eminem." He has a little of that Grandma-trying-to-slip-on-Spandex in him, a primal desire to defy age. "

quite.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

What kind of team you makin', Dawg?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Frank Robinson vs Moneyball:

"How often do you use the numbers?" he was asked.

"Me? I don't use them."

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

by the way, the nats' television color guy is...RON DARLING

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 01:38 (twenty years ago)

wahhhhh? they should get some charismatic ex-'spo!

who's the announcer?

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

The guy from Weekend At Bernie's!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

the worst part is...i'd totally believe that, be it andrew mccarthy OR jonathan silverman...or the guy who played bernie.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.taxationwithoutrepresentationstadium.com/

this is funny stuff.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

yeah ~~Kolb~~ Schneider!

― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Worst naming rights ev-er:

http://www.dcist.com/archives/2005/04/14/rfk_naming_suspense_comes_to_an_end.php

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

The 2005 Washington Nationals: Locked & Loaded

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

w/ promo pics of Guzman & Castilla giving a surface-to-air missle a Lynndie.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 14 April 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

RFK was gonna pull the US outta Vietnam.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 14 April 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

like a commenter to the dcist article said, washingtonians will always call it rfk...i mean compare that to the indignity of the national airport "naming rights." i don't know any washingtonian who calls national anything, but national.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 14 April 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

amen. boys are looking SHARP

― W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 14 April 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)

so, i dunno...vinny and the mile high effect overstated? granted it's only 10 games in to the season, but my man missed the cycle by a single last night. a single! at rfk, no less!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 15 April 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he's improved as a hitter since the last time he left Coors, but I remember his tenure w/ Tampa Bay being less than impressive. & I'm not sure he was so hot w/ Hotlanta. He's probably good for 20-25 HRs, 130+ Ks, few walks, and lots of DPs. And solid defense. Not too dissimilar from Christian Guzman, really, except that it'll take CG 6 years to hit 20 HRs.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

nats & o's in first in their respective divisions.

mark it, dude.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 18 April 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

APRIL IS LOVE.

Any chance the O's could just play all their games against the Yankees right about now so they can whup up on them before George keelhauls the team & brings in players that "know how to win" (i.e. Roger Clemens, Jim Leyritz, Chuck Knoblauch, Hank Bauer, Terry Mullholland)?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Sorry:

1) That post should've gone on the O's thread
2) There should be a moratorium on discussing the Yankees in non-Yank threads

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

Alas, Youppi! Unable To Shout 'Yippee!'

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 18 April 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

TS:
http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/p1776258reg.jpg http://mlb.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pMLB2-1778398reg.jpg

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Monday, 18 April 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

john patterson throws 7 innings of two hit, shutout ball and chad cordero blows it.

what a waster.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

cordero escapes with no earned runs, thanks to E-1 overthrow with the bases loaded, allowing 2 runs to score.

― the leglo (the leglo), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

what a mutt.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Holy crap - ESPN's GameCast still has the game in the 8th inning! Stop eating the hot dogs and UPDATE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

i've found both espn & mlb to be a little slow this season.

the yahoo gametracker (no frills option) is pretty reliable, i think.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 21 April 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

It was an E6 on the throw--but Nick Johnson's really got to stop the ball and keep the go-ahead run from scoring. Smoltz looked good. Patterson looked even better.

At RFK the pitcher's ERA is re-calculated with each out, so you could watch Smoltz's ERA shrink in real time.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

neat-o!

i'm SO psyched to catch some ball at rfk in a few weeks!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 21 April 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

hahaha ... they just had a piece on Nats vs. Orioles fandom in the DC area on ESPN -- they had a clip where they asked Joey Eischen about Peter Angelos, and Eischen said "He didn't want us here but ... he's just going to have to suck on it and like it."

"he's just going to have to suck on it and like it" !!!!

― Stormy Davis (diamond), Friday, 22 April 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

will shea stock some nationals hats you think?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 April 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

I like the Nats hats, but I'm kind of surprised they didn't go for a logo that was bolder or less whimsical or... something Toby Keith would be proud to wear. Is the loopy W a mini-tribute to the Expos logo?

― mattbot (mattbot), Friday, 22 April 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

the only thing is, i'm afraid that NYC ULTRA LIBERALS will mistake it for a Dubya endorsement.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 April 2005 04:09 (twenty years ago)

isn't the loopy W a Senators throwback? i like the DC hats better, but i ended up getting a red W one...

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 22 April 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

loopy w is indeed, the old senators (manager ted williams era) logo. i have one of the interlocking dc hats, as well, and management is nuts if they don't integrate those as a third game cap. when i was back in dc over spring break, so many random people stopped me on the street asking me about the dc cap...

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 22 April 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

my new DC cap arrived earlier this week! it is indeed the shit.

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

do they actually have wool ones now, did you get the cotton variety or the "futureweave"?

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 22 April 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

I got cotton -- the cheap one. Hot, nonetheless.

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

yeah, that's the one i got. good stuff...a real head-turner!

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Friday, 22 April 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

i guess w/ turnabout being fair play and whatnot, the nats are going buck wild on the mets.

the nats have four steals. while i'll grant that wilkerson has deceptive speed, TWO for vinny and one for nick johnson? yeesh.

the first few weeks of this season have done nothing to dispel the notion that it's going to be an absolute dog fight in the nl east.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Sunday, 24 April 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

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and btw, BP ran a column last month that their attendance % of capacity is the lowest for a team in a new city in a looong time.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

yeah but isn't that because rfk is a huge-ass football stadium?!? their overall attendance is pretty good, right?

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Except their stadium is cavernous ... where do they rank when considering avg attendance amongst teams in new cities?

xpost mindmeld

― 30 Bangin' Tunes That You've Already Got ... IN A DIFFERENT ORDER! (Barry Brune, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

why the fuck is bp always so intent on painting as negative a picture of the state of baseball as possible?? iirc i just read revenues are at an all-time high. which could lead to some problems in a couple years, but...

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

rfk is reduced to about 43-44K in its baseball configuration. they avergae about 33K p/g. i'mno fancy big city statistician, but that sounds like a pretty good rate to me.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

i blame the extended absence of nick johnson...dude was a rock. and also, you know, math and stuff.

is this the part of the movie where the chick leaves in a huff and it all goes to shit?? then there's some strong words, some fighting at f-rob's funeral, then they pick themselves up and do it for him!! or is this just a tired team falling apart.

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

the braves have outscored the nats 443-372 and allowed 14 fewer runs. they're just not that good.

― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

listen, i think the talk about braves v. nats while cute and amusing is a bit silly.

for the nats to even be in the picture is a huge accomplishment, not to mention that there is baseball in washington that is comeptitive and well-attended. i'm not even completely writing off the east, but i don't think the wild card is a ridiculous proposition.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Agreed, the way things are looking, 85-87 wins will take the WC.

― 30 Bangin' Tunes That You've Already Got ... IN A DIFFERENT ORDER! (Barry Brune, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

BP's State of the Game view is hardly "as negative as possible" -- they pointed out the soaring attendance in April in the face of the steroid "crisis" -- but they do favor facts over Selig of Sunnybrook Farm. Joe Sheehan wrote after the 1st-place Nats drew 37,000 for a sunny Sunday against Seattle, "If a city can't sell out a warm-weather game on a Sunday as a first-place team in its debut season, what hope will there be when the team is 17 games under .500 two years down the road? Shouldn't all the hype about D.C. translate to the Nationals being an above-average draw in their own league?" He also points out that the Rockies and Marlins played in football stadiums, and averaged 55 and 37G in their inaugural seasons compared to Washington's 31 (as of a month ago).

The Prospectus Postseason Odds program -- which plays the remainder of the season amillion times -- currently pegs the average wins needed to win NL Wild Card at 89.9.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

What's with the enigmatic Livan comments last night?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=250720120

Given the weak offense, they're in danger of falling out of the race without Patterson, Livan and Loaiza intact.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 July 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Well he's had a very interesting career (World Series MVP, remember that?), it would seem that he may be alluding to PED usage with "the past 3 years" comment. Regardless he's shown he's one of the most dependable inning-eaters in MLB.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

that is weird. he definitely is one of those talents that the pundits and wags like to refer to as "mercurial."

i liked this little bit from the recap, though: "To win two games in this series by one run is ironic," Closser said.

dontcha think?

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

so which nats fan wrote this masterwork: http://baseballtonight.blogspot.com/?

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

John, at least 5 of us post to that blog - try hotlinking the actual post, would ya?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

http://baseballtonight.blogspot.com/2005/07/what-part-of-rs2-rs2ra2-dont-you.html

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

I AM SPARTACUS!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Satirizing a view that nobody holds? (if anybody thinks Pythag's main use is anything but a good predictor of likely future perf over a season, I haven't heard em.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

GET ONE SENSE OF HUMOUR

(pssst, Steve Phillips doesn't actually believe that the All-Star teams should be the highest paid players)(and neither does anybody else)

― 30 Bangin' Tunes That You've Already Got ... IN A DIFFERENT ORDER! (Barry Brune, Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

I swear, I got one (only w/out the U)! But Kruk regularly out-inanities his parodies!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

i think the doc's point is that satire ceases to be useful when it fails to make any relevant points (it can still be FUNNY, but i don't really think that article was).

― John loves 99% of yr stuff (jdahlem), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

OK, I see what you mean ... true enough -- a somewhat over-the-top piece might not be as rewarding a read as one that ridicules an actual, real-life viewpoint (indivudual preferences, etc.)

(btw, I wasn't taking your comments personally or anything -- comments are always welcome)

(and I didn't write the article, but even if I had -- it has nothing to do with that either)

― 30 Bangin' Tunes That You've Already Got ... IN A DIFFERENT ORDER! (Barry Brune, Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

I was probably too harsh on Spartacus. "Box scores, in fact, just really shake the dew off my lily" is funny.

I have my eye on Mets-Nats at RFK late Sept, but am worried it could turn out meaningless.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

speaking of funny and irrelevant, i demand another bowa column.

― John (jdahlem), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

(what is PED usage?)

― maura (maura), Thursday, 21 July 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Performance Enhancing Drugs.

Livan backed away from his earlier comments, citing grumpiness due to pain:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-nationals-hernandez&prov=ap&type=lgns

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 July 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

outfield distances at RFK off by 15 feet, as players have suspected for a long time (finally measured by WaPo Nats beat reporter Svrluga, forcing the team to hire real surveyors) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/21/AR2005072102417.html

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 July 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

And that's a TWELFTH no-decision for Patterson. Eight innings, six hits, 10 K, one ER, and his team can only manage one run off Wandy fucking Rodriguez. If you ever needed any further proof that W-L is a meaningless statistic, how many top-10 starters by VORP have been 4-2 at this point in the season?

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Sunday, 24 July 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

He's actually #11, according to the VORP stats I'm looking at. My pick for Hard Luck Harry (Kevin Millwood, he of the 4-9 record) is #33.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 25 July 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)

finally!

adios, wil cordero.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Monday, 25 July 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

And that's that, right?

Can anyone see the Nats finishing above fifth? Again, the MLB ownership doesn't help.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 July 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

So much for luck, the Nats have now dropped nine in a row in one run games. The dice have gone cold.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 29 July 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

Sad to see them fade, but, well, as a Braves fan, not really. Washington'll be lucky to finish at .500.

― Garrett Martin (Garrett Martin), Friday, 29 July 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

http://forums.e-mpire.com/images/smilies/Sad2.gif

― W i l l (common_person), Saturday, 30 July 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I thought I was the only person willing to go on the record around here as a Braves fan. (At least, before the 2005 All-Rookie squad gave some folks a late bandwagon to jump on.)

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

um, there are still about two months left to play.

just sayin...

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Saturday, 30 July 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

William, check out the Braves love here:

2005 MLB Team Crushes

(in fact, you posted there too!)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 30 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm ... I thought I remembered praise from people other than you, me, and Blount (for you guys, it's a matter of geography, so I guess I'm the only wierd one).

Also: I always liked Smoltz. He might be writing his HOF ticket this year.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 30 July 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

My bandwagon comment was roughly 49% taking the piss, 51% serious. FWIW. Or did I mean 51% taking the piss? Also: I have no idea why I'm so pleased with myself for being a Braves fan in the mid-late 80s. Just one of those things, I hope everyone will just drop a coin in my cup and move on without staring too hard.

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Well, that was awesome. CG for Patterson, grand slam for Wilkerson. Glad I was able to catch this one on TV for once. Hope the home magic is back for good since I'll be at RFK tomorrow night...

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 5 August 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

NICK JOHNSON, MVP

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Friday, 5 August 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

Most Valuable PinchedNerve?

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Patterson's game score of 92 last night is second-best in the NL all year. Love a John Patterson.

― Daniel Cohen (dayan), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

And his 4 wins. Poor guy.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Semi off-topc: AL's John Patterson (Kevin Millwood) was donged out of a win after pitching 8 IP of 2 run ball w/ 8 or 9 Ks, because Bob "Koharski" Wickman coughed up the juice to the Yankers twice in the 9th.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Semi?

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 5 August 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

i kid, of course.

my wish is that ¡Livan! wants to show this kid up tonight

― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 5 August 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

MLB hopes to fix Nats' price at $450 million:

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/business-of-baseball-report14/

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 11 August 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

not to mention:

"In June, local businesses in the Washington, D.C. area were up in arms over a new business tax put in place to fund the construction of the Washington Nationals' new arena. Despite the protests, the city has already collected more than $15 million when it had projected only $14 million in receipts for the entire year. Sales tax receipts attributable to the baseball team are also better than estimated. While the city expected to make only $10.5 million for the year, it’s ahead of that pace with $6.7 million.

The plans for the new stadium also cleared a major hurdle when U.S. District Court Judge Richard Roberts declined to impose an injunction on the city that could have blocked the acquisition of property that is currently part of the stadium's footprint. Three landowners had filed the suit because they felt the city's estimate of the value of the land was low and arbitrarily came in just below the city’s $165-million cap that was established by the D.C. city council. Roberts felt otherwise, and if the current landowners don’t sell, the city will take the land through eminent domain.

Finally, ProFunds Advisors, a local Bethesda investment firm, is very close to a deal with the D.C Sports and Entertainment Commission for the naming rights of RFK Memorial Stadium. Sources indicate that the investment company will pay between $3.5 million and $4 million to get their name on the stadium."

...it didn't even occur to me that whielthe property rights advocate in me dislikes the kelo decision, it should make the process of building a new ballpark in dc a lot easier.

― jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 11 August 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

alfonso soriano is only 3 walks shy of his career high, he has 35 already!

― gear (gear), Thursday, 6 July 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

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