2006 Dumbass-A-Go-Go Thread

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Thank you, Baseball Think Factory:

"The trade Dombrowski made, getting Jeremy Bonderman, Carlos Pena and Franklyn German—for Jeff Weaver.

"Clearly, Weaver is a better pitcher than Bonderman. In three-plus seasons in Detroit, Weaver improved, especially his ERA (5.55 in 1999 to 3.18 in 2002). When he was dealt to the Yankees in 2002, Weaver was 6-8 with a 3.18 ERA.

"Bonderman, on the other hand, has a lifetime ERA of 4.98 in three full seasons. Weaver had a real shot at becoming the Tigers’ ace. For Bonderman, it’s still in question. Pena and German haven’t panned out as impact players."

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 16 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

whoa!

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

Some of the other Tiger moves have been pretty baffling, but that seems like a pretty decent trade to me (esp. given how mediocre Weaver has been since.) Plus Bonderman is only 22!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 16 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

i think the thred title should stay, reminds me of my go-go sox. speaking of which, ozzie is my hero.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

tho technically that shouldn't be on the dumbass thred! ozzie = smartest mang in basemaball.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's more like Baseball Dumb Factory over there

I can't wait to hear WSCR's "Who You Crappin' " show today to hear what people are saying about the blizzard of Ozz.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 16 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Stenc is the only one here not picking Cleveland, right?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 February 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

naw dood: no geoff blum, no credibility

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

i'll pick chicago

gear (gear), Thursday, 16 February 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

I already picked the Sox too!

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 17 February 2006 01:51 (nineteen years ago)

secret spoiler: detroit

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

If they had Jeff Weaver!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

Do not underestimate the Leyland factor.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

The Leyland Factor (LF) = # of years remaining in Jeremy Bonderman's career in the absence of Leyland / # of years remaining in Jeremy Bonderman's career in the prescence of Leyland

According to researchers, the best estimate is 1.8 < LF < 2.1

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Friday, 17 February 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
I hate to ask, but what is the gist of Buster Olney's ESPN Insider column "It's a scapegoat hunt"? Could he have stumbled upon some actual truth re the PED spin?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 March 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

HR's MOST IMPORTANT THING (or whatever) last night:

"To me, April games count."

Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 3 April 2006 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

To paraphrase from BBTN Sunday:

Krukster: Of course Jimmy Rollins' 56-game hit-streak record counts if it continues into this season! I don't care if it's done in one season, two seasons or THREE seasons!

Me: ...

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

And how about that Pedro Gomez. You know that fucker has an expense account. You know all he does is shit one paragraph of copy for SC every night.

Jimmy Mod: My theme is DEATH (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Rangers pre/postgame whining yesterday that Millwood couldn't have a good season last year, because only went 9 and 11. If your team only gives you two runs, you should only give up one, goddamit.

And yeah, Olney's been calling the steroid hunt bullshit for a week or two now. Maybe longer, but I don't pay much attention to him.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/23356/analyzing_the_questionable_yankees.html

Last year the Yankees Bullpen got mixed results. Besides Mariano Rivera, the bullpen had a lot of question marks coming into this season. So the Yankees made some moves and only time will tell how they pan out. Here is hte 2006 Yankees bullpen:

Starting with the closer as the most important bullpen position, the Yanks have old reliable and the best closer in baseball, Mariano Rivera. Rivera had his best season as a Yankee most analysts will say posted an unheard of ERA nearing 1. He had 40+ saves like he has every year and at times seemed to be unhittable. HE quietly had one of his best seasons ever. This year, his production will continue as the Yankees lineup will generate more save opportunities for Rivera and for saves in his column.

The first big question mark is the setup man. Gone is Tom Gordon who was one of the best set up man in the game last year. He went to Philadelphia to be their closer. So they signed free agent Kyle Fransworth from the Braves who put up excellent numbers with the Braves last year. My only question is that can he put up the same numbers. I don't think so. Most braves pitchers do well because of Leo Mazzoni and Bobby Cox two of the best baseball men in the game. Like Jaret Wright, Farnsworth's numbers will decline. However I still think he can be a productive set up man.

Next is Tanyon Sturtze who has been pretty durable for the Yanks. He has filled in as a spot starter and has pitched nicely the past couple of years out of the bullpen. He does have some shaky games but most of the time he puts up good numbers.

Then there is Octavio Dotel Dotel was a great closer for the Astros a couple of years ago but on the A's he struggled and got injured for most of the year. I think that if he has a good year and stays healthy he can really regain his dominating self and fireball instinct he once had. Plus the Yanks aren't paying that much money so it is a gamble well worth taking.

Finally there is Chacon and Aaron Small coming out of the bullpen, tow men who were used as starters last year and put up good numbers. I don't know how much playing time they will receive depending on injuries to the pitching staff but they will put up good numbers.

The Yankees bullpen will definetly be better than last year. It is no longer a question mark like last year and for the most part these releivers will put up good numbers.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Is Dotel even actually on the roster right now? I thought he was still DL'd.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

yes. he is dl'd.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
CLUTCH:

"I always tell Carlos he's a gringo anyway because he speaks such good English and is so articulate."
--Mets catcher Paul Lo Duca, on Delgado

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha, I just saw that! Right up there with Vance Wilson's post-Piazza I'm-straight announcement: "He lives his life morally right."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 May 2006 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you would have walked ARod or maybe you wouldn't have, but Joe Maddon is a dumass:


NY Yankees 4, Tampa Bay 2, 10 innings

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. (AP) -- With Alex Rodriguez struggling with runners in scoring position, the Tampa Bay Devil Rays took a calculated gamble against the New York Yankees slugger -- and lost.

Rodriguez snapped an 0-for-12 skid with a RBI single in the 10th inning, helping the Yankees finish a 4-2 comeback victory over the Devil Rays, who elected to pitch to the two-time American League MVP with first base open and runners at second and third.

The reason?

Hideki Matsui was on deck.

"Matsui, to me, is one of the best clutch hitters in all of baseball, so I prefer not pitching to him. You take your chances right there on A-Rod," Devil Rays manager Joe Maddon said.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 4 May 2006 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

Before consulting any stats, I'd wager that Gozira is more clutch than Princess.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

Gozira has been the king of the clutch 4-3 groundout so far this season.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

I was wrong according to this:

Gozira's career clutch: -1.3
Princess' career clutch: -0.7

Both are slight chokers with Matsui being slightly more choketastic.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting to note from that same list:

Derek "Clutch" Jeter has the 4th worst clutch rate of all active players at -10.9.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 4 May 2006 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

In the midst of anointing the Reds the division title the other night on BBTN, the Krukster opined "If you look at the numbers -- and I hate numbers..."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 4 May 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

I KNOW I SAW HIM SAY THAT IT WAS GOD AWFUL

Jimmy Mod is a super idol of The MARS SPIRIT (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 4 May 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/05/04/rain_delay_provided_an_opportunity_to_soak_the_fans/?page=full

I dunno if this is pure dumbassery, a lame attempt to establish one's credentials as a man of the people, or just a classic thin premise for a column, but Shaughnessy's already in rare form this year.

Tuesday at Fenway, ownership blundered by failing to make an early postponement of the scheduled game against the Yankees. It was obvious to every human in New England that no baseball was going to be played that night, but the $ox failed to call it off, then opened the gates, announced a delay, and finally called the game at approximately 7:40 p.m. It was preposterous.

Why? Why did they wait? Why did they allow faithful fans to drive one or two hours to the ballpark (don't forget the jackknifed tractor-trailer on the Southeast Expressway that created a monstrous traffic jam), pay $30 or more to park, then sit in slop for an hour or two when it was obvious there would be no baseball? Was it to sell a few more hot dogs or cups of chowder? NESN pregame show ratings? More customers at RemDawg's?

The $ox had to have known they could not have played that night. If not, they should fire Bill James and bring on Mish Michaels or Don Kent.

Was it really about the money? Did the $ox open the gates just to unload some concession items?

''That's a cheap shot at our integrity," said owner John Henry. ''We're not going to make our fans suffer just to sell hot dogs. In 2002, we canceled a game at 9:30 in the morning and then the sun came out. It's very hard to predict the weather in Boston. If we knew we weren't going to play, we wouldn't have sent [Josh] Beckett down to get warm. We heard it was going to be misty. It really didn't start raining until 10 after 8."

(Henry and Co. should have checked with any local dairy farmer. Take it from one who grew up in Groton, everybody knows it's going to rain when the cows are lying down in the pasture, and the cattle were definitely horizontal Tuesday.)

There's exactly one salient point in that whole column (w/r/t the Globe/Red Sox ownership sitch), but it wasn't even raining in Boston when they opened the gates at 5:00! Dan Shaughnessy Watch's parting shot is pretty genius today.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

re: the krukster

i tuned that in just after i finished reading his treatise on intelligent design.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Thursday, 4 May 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.syracuse.com/poliquin/weblog/index.ssf?/mtlogs/syr_poliquin/archives/2006_05.html#138178

Maybe I'm biased. Let's get that out of the way right at the top of this offering. Maybe the small kindness extended to me by Joe Morgan back in 1975 when I was an impossibly youthful and inexperienced sportswriter has stuck all this time later.

Regardless, I think the man is the finest "expert analyst" working the TV sports beat. Baseball . . . football . . . basketball . . . doesn't matter. I submit that Morgan, the former second baseman for a lot of teams -- including the '75 Cincinnati Reds -- is the gold standard of color men.

He's insightful, he's knowledgeable, he's articulate and he can effortlessly blend today's game and athletes with those of yesterday without yearning for the one and/or pandering to the other.

I mention this here and now because I treated myself to virtually all of ESPN2's telecast of the Thursday-night affair between Houston and St. Louis, and to Morgan's words that accompanied it. As always, Joe was superb . . . especially when he commented about Andy Pettitte and his slider with these words: "If you think he's tough, you should have batted against Steve Carlton."

I don't know. For some reason that made me laugh. But then, Morgan -- the Hall-of-Famer, and one of baseball's true ambassadors -- was so sound in other ways. Why does Houston's insistence to bat Willy Taveras second behind the much slower Craig Biggio rather than leadoff make sense? Joe explained. Why won't pitchers throw inside more often? Joe explained. Why did the Astros' Lance Berkman look so good hitting his fourth-inning home run and so weak striking out a couple of innings later? Joe explained.

And then there was his dismissal of pitchers who suffer from a lack of run support. "Pitch better," Joe said. "It's simple: If the other guy gave up no runs, he out-pitched you."

Anyway, I believe that Joe Morgan is terrific at what he does behind the microphone. And my position has nothing to do with that rainout during the 1975 World Series between Morgan's Reds and the Boston Red Sox when, during a practice session at an indoor batting facility at Boston University (I think), Morgan motioned to a certain youthful scribe to join him inside the cage, where the conversation could be more private.

And, yes, I accepted his invitation . . . and I sat with Joe Morgan, just the two of us, apart from the masses . . . and I got a pretty good story out of it. In a career filled with some wonderful moments, I've never forgotten that one.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Sunday, 7 May 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

There's exactly one salient point in that whole column (w/r/t the Globe/Red Sox ownership sitch), but it wasn't even raining in Boston when they opened the gates at 5:00! Dan Shaughnessy Watch's parting shot is pretty genius today.

I loved the insinuation that Bill James should have developed a formula for predicting the weather. Cy Young Predictor, Rain Predictor, etc.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 7 May 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think Tom Verducci is upset about something, I can't quite put my finger on it though:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AtLadahUVQObhvICzzNlGKARvLYF?slug=cnnsi-disturbingsigno&prov=cnnsi&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

i hate those bonds pieces so much and it seems like every hack sportswriter has about a dozen in them.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

How accurate are Farmer's Almanacs about rainfall?

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

They're only accurate when it rains in San Francisco and not New York (or St. Louis)...

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Imagine a highway patrol officer manning a radar gun as car after car zooms past him at more than the 55 mph posted limit, some if only by a handful of miles per hour. And in that traffic is one red Ferrari zipping along at 100 mph. Who is getting pulled over?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

quick question: what are thoughts on the current anti-wbc columns (i.e. offense is up and pitching is stinking b/c dudes who went to the wbc were taken out of their routines)?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

The only article I've read is Nate Silver's:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=5054

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

i saw that, but i saw one in the b'more sun that just went on bald assertion and then i saw one a couple weeks back that looked used stat evidence to say in some cases yes, in some cases no.

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

I wanted to check on Daisuke Matsuzaka (WBC MVP) and found out that he is 4-1 with a 1.91 ERA after 6 games. 1.11 WHIP, 2 Complete Games, 40K/10BB, 8.5K/9... everything seems in line with his career #s.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Had the Japanese ended their season later or had they been in training camp longer, are Japanese pitchers usually more warmed up at this point in the season, etc. - there are a lot of factors that could explain the difference in MLB/JPL performance.

milo z (mlp), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

The J-league series ended in late October:
2005 Japan League Series - Chiba Lotte Marines vs. Hanshin Tigers

Are the Japanese in training camp longer than who? Longer than the guys playing in Fall leagues, Rookie Leagues or Carribean Leagues?

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 May 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Longer than those playing for major league teams. Few of whom, if they made it on a WBC roster, played in the AFL or Dominican winter ball.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

you lost me.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

(admittedly a while ago)

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)

Between Verducci and this drooling, Rome-wannabe, Yahoo! is bringing the unintended roffles of late:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-bonds050906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 10 May 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

hard to admit making a mistake in their position. he's been in there a decade, no?

jonathan quayle higgins (j.q. higgins), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Steve Phillips, pls make some birth-certif-related ethnic crack about Pujols

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Or at least follow HR's lead (not exactly unlikely).

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Would've been nice if Fox simply fired him for being a jagbag (or, better yet, according to sources, just let him play out the string for the rest of the year) instead of using the tried-and-true "inappropriate comments" card to cut the dickhead to save themselves the embarrassment of admitting they made a mistake in hiring the chump in the first place.

how did they "save themselves the embarrassment of admitting they made a mistake in hiring the chump in the first place," exactly?

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

By nominally firing him for making inappropriate comments, instead of letting him go for general incompetence. Tho, if his contract was up @ the end of the year, they probably could've just let him walk w/out any stink being raised whatsoever.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

if fox let people go for general incompetence, they wouldn't have a network, much less a sports division.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

McCarver thought Valentin trying to stretch single down 5 runs on Sat night was a great gamble.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I think all things considered (as long as it isn't a Yankees game and they're going crazy over Jeter) McCarver & Buck are fine compared to Thom Brennaman or Joe Morgan.

Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Set the bar low enough, and donkey doo starts smelling like apple pie.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Big financial hit," "diversity training" for part-time Dodgers commentator

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Corey from Florida: Why has Kenny Rogers become so successful at this point in his career?

Joe Morgan: (11:54 AM ET ) As I've always said, even as a hitter, by the time you really learn your craft, physically, you can't execute any more. I think Kenny knows as much about pitching as he's going to know and can still execute it. You also learn more about your game, you get smarter, but at some point, you can't execute them any more.

Tony, Reading, Pa: Hello Joe, love your work!!!...much like last year with the White Sox, the Tigers feel to me like a team destined to win this thing....do you agree?..Destiny, plus the best pitching equal the world championship

Joe Morgan: (11:56 AM ET ) Well, they're very similar to Chicago last year. Detroit lost the division down the stretch and Chicago almost did last year. But I do think this layoff will effect Detroit.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

FREDDY, OAKLAND,CA: JOE, WERE THERE ANY PLAYERS DURING YOUR PLAYING DAYS WHO THREW 100 MPH, AS IS THE CASE NOW?

Joe Morgan: (12:00 PM ET ) Well, they didn't use the radar gun on every pitch as they do now. Make no mistake about it, some of these readings are jacked up. I don't think anyone today throws any harder than Nolan Ryan or Gibson or any of those guys threw. But I don't know about any team that has the guys that can throw as hard as the Tigers.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, their pitching's going to be too well-rested, while whoever survives the NLCS will have a battle-tested staff that will pwn those lazy Tigers hitters. If I were Jim Leyland, I'd have my team scrimmage every day twice a day leading up to the World Series.

[fire Andy_K xpost]

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Set the bar low enough, and donkey doo starts smelling like apple pie.

hence the Dem prospects in the midterm election!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

NUMBERS ARE WRONG

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Derek (CT): What's your take on Steve Lyons?

Rob Neyer: (12:52 PM ET ) Well, this might get me fired, but I went over his offensive comments a few times and I have to say . . . I wasn't offended. But then, unless somebody's flat-out lying, I'm pretty hard to offend. Unlike Lyons' erstwhile employers, who of course are known for their tasteful prime-time programming.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

As recounted by Andy Altman-Ohr:

Early in Friday's game, Marco Scutaro was included in a graphic with Frank Thomas and Nick Swisher noting their "0-fors" in the ALCS through two games. Lou Piniella scoffed that Scutaro was even included in the graphic, for although the shortstop had a super ALDS, expecting similar production would be "like finding a wallet on a Friday night and looking for one on Sunday and Monday, too."

Flash ahead several minutes later; the announcers had moved onto entirely different topics.

Piniella said the A's needed Thomas to get "en fuego" (hot in Spanish) because he was currently "frio" (cold).

"The bilingual Lou Piniella," play-by-play man Thom Brennaman intoned.

Then Lyons said, "Lou's habla-ing some Espanol there, and I'm still looking for my wallet." Some quiet laughter ensued.

"I don't understand him," Lyons continued, "and I don't want to sit close to him now."

As Altman-Ohr says, apparently it was a joke - but what was the joke, exactly? Maybe Neyer can tell us.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

By the way, I have a baseball signed by both Steve Lyons and Roger Clemens.

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Lyons is so foggily stupid it's impossible to discern what the hell he's trying to say.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

BEND OVER FOR DUSTY'S TOOTHPICK BEANER

If Beane makes Baker the A’s first African-American manager, this will boost attendance among black baseball fans. And who knows what this would mean to Oakland’s chances of choking off Fremont. Beane and Baker have strong personalities. Beane prefers managers who are acquiescent. However, if Beane truly wants to get to the World Series, he needs to bend from form.

Bend toward Dusty Baker.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

A WINNER IS YOU

Seriously, time to lock the thread because nothing can top that. Every line is a mindkiller. Like this one:

Twenty years ago, Baker wound up a splendid playing career in Oakland. So he has an understanding of how the A's organization works.

WHAAAAAAAAA*#$Y:$*@#U@*

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

well, whatshisname WAS in Oakland in the '80s. You know, that guy. He was in the Schwarz book.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember seeing black people at Giants games.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

...says the A's fan.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

...says the A's fan.

To be fair, the A's crowds are no different.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well, barely different, anyway.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Wwwwhat about Hammer and his entourage?

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I saw someone with Hammer pants but it was an eighty-year-old white lady.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

I watched a few minutes of freestyle inline skating today on ESPN. A Japanese guy won the event, and once his win became official, they showed him celebrating with his crew while the commentators said things like "they'll be drinking a lot of sake tonight!" and "it'll be sushi for the entire house later on!".

More offensive than what Lyons said?

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 21 October 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

White ppl eat like THIS...

japans ppl eat like THIS...

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

i had sushi and sake last night.

hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Beane + Baker would make for a terrific behinds the scenes reality show, though. Maybe they could sign Barry Bonds over the off-season for good measure.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 21 October 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

jimmy mod drinks like ?

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

a drunk

If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 22 October 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

bless

mookieproof (mookieproof), Sunday, 22 October 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Keith Law dumps on Morneau as MVP because (a) OBP is apparently "overwhelm[ingly]" more important than slugging percentage and (b) Joe Mauer won the Gold Glove this year, apparently while craftily disguised as Ivan Rodriguez.

Does it get any less retarded after the "Insider" jump?

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

(A) is right, and (B) is obviously wrong on the Gold Glove but correct on position importance.

Reading that, maybe he meant Mauer SHOULD have won the Gold Glove?

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:24 (nineteen years ago)

So you'd rather have a hitter that gets to first 43% of the time and scoring position 9% over someone who gets to first 37.5% of the time and scoring position 13%? 'Cause I can understand maybe if you factor in Mauer's baserunning (which Law doesn't) but if you boil it down to likelihood of acting as a scoring opportunity or at least OPS (which Mauer has an insurmountable .002 advantage in) the numbers doesn't exactly back up the argument that anyone who thinks Morneau is as good as or possibly better than Mauer is King Dipshit of Retard County.

A better case is obviously the defense question (edge Mauer no contest, though Morneau isn't that awful), along with Joe's role as a catcher (giving signals, settling down pitchers -- including rookies Bonser, Liriano and Garza) and the fact that Morneau credits a lot of his improvement and patience at the plate to hanging out with Mauer all the time. It's just not a hey-duh gimme going by offense alone.

And Pudge was maybe a hair better than Mauer at catcher (no fucking with a .998 FP and .500+ CS rate -- and at age 34!) so if he meant Mauer SHOULD have won the Gold Glove that would've also been kinda dopey.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

Actually come to think of it I'm grossly oversimplifying those OBP numbers as "gets to first" (how about "gets to at least first"?).

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

So you'd rather have a hitter that gets to first 43% of the time and scoring position 9% over someone who gets to first 37.5% of the time and scoring position 13%?
Undoubtedly.

Player B creates 5.5% more outs than Player A. Outs are the most valuable thing in baseball blah blah blah. Every analysis I've seen points to OBP being roughly 100% more valuable for a 1-5 hitter and 50% more valuable for the 6-7 hitters, falling off more (I believe) for those hitting 8-9.

Joe's role as a catcher (giving signals, settling down pitchers -- including rookies Bonser, Liriano and Garza)
That's an argument akin to catcher ERA and intangibles. It may exist, but it's not something you look hard at. The real value of Mauer as catcher is that he's providing a top-5 offensive season playing at what is now, the absolute worst offensive position in baseball. (And also providing well above-average defense, icing on the cake)

Morneau was very good this year, but not spectacular for his position - it would be relatively easy to replace him with another first-tier player. Mauer, OTOH, was absolutely amazing compared to his fellow catchers.

If you go by WARP, Morneau was .6 wins better than Konerko and .1 better than Teixeira. Mauer was 1.6 wins better than the nearest catcher (Posada) and 3.8 better than Victor Martinez. That's a helluva gap.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

Morneau was very good this year, but not spectacular for his position - it would be relatively easy to replace him with another first-tier player.

Which works for theoretical scenarios in sabermetricsland but seriously, are you familiar with Terry Ryan? "replace him with another first-tier player" is about as real-world monetarily feasible as "new stadium to be made of gold with unicorn-hide turf". I think the dude waits for someone else's candy purchase to get stuck in the vending machine so he can try to get a two-for-one.

As far as those other points, perhaps it is I who are the dumbass.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

i think santana was more valuable to the twins than either of them.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 06:14 (nineteen years ago)

unicorn-hide turf

Surprisingly tough on the knees

Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

i think santana was more valuable to the twins than either of them.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), November 22nd, 2006 6:14 AM. (gear) (later)

put the crack down, gear, and walk away.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Keith Law is usually the best ESPN columnist for baseball, better than Neyer even. I have no opinion on this article.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

hstencil you can't believe justin morneau had more to do with the twins' playoff push than santana! i'm not saying the twins would have won the division without morneau, but they might have finished a game or two back. without santana, they might not even finish ahead of the white sox.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

The Twins had a dominant Santana and a shitty Morneau in 2005, and "a game or two back" would've been nice that year.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not sure morneau would have changed much last year, considering how potent the indians and the white sox were. this year the competition was weaker and the twins were better, thanks to many factors including santana being good the entire year and not just the second half, plus mauer coming into his own, plus liriano, and yes morneau. morneau had a really excellent season obviously but to get all VORPy here i think a replacement level 1b in his stead would have still been enough to get the twins into the postseason, whereas a replacement level SP in santana's place would have been less likely to have been enough.

gear (gear), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can definitely see Santana technically as more deserving than Morneau or Mauer or Jeter or anyone considering how many plate appearances he has an effect on over a season, but if Maddux '95 and Pedro '99 can't win the damn thing then it's almost a moot point.

nate p. (natepatrin), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)


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