Missing Modernists

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I asked this on another messageboard once and got little response... so...

I love literature and like to think of myself as well-read, but there are a lot of important 20th century authors who I have never even touched. Here's a list of just a few:

ford madox ford
herman broch
john dos passos
malcolm lowry
robert musil
djuna barnes
carlos fuentes
henry green
saul bellow
phillip roth

Actually since originally posting this I've read "Party Going" by Green (which was sort of amazing) and started "Terra Nostra".... but I guess my question is, out of this list, who should I drop everything and read immediately, and why? (And where do I start?)
(And anyone else I should add to the list?)

j fail (cenotaph), Sunday, 12 June 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

What are you hoping to get from reading these books?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 12 June 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

read the good soldier by ford. definitely. and dos passo's usa trilogy too.or manhattan transfer. if you are looking for the mod vibe. and yeah, almost anything by green will get you where you need to go as well. i have never read nightwood! someday, maybe. i own a copy. bellow and roth are must-reads too, but they'll keep. start with the good soldier.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 12 June 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

I find it hard to believe that 'The Good Soldier' has never been filmed. It's ripe for a suitably languid treatment.

snotty moore, Monday, 13 June 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

I guess I am hoping to get "enjoyment" and "inspiration" and "stimulation" from these books, like everything else I read.

j fail (cenotaph), Monday, 13 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Of the authors you listed, the one I know and like the best is Bellow. Try "Herzog" or "Augie March".

o. nate (onate), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Thanks to Scott for the "Good Soldier" recommendation though. It looks pretty interesting, and if you don't mind e-books, you can actually download it here for free:

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2775

o. nate (onate), Monday, 13 June 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Have we discussed Djuna Barnes here, or was that a noncyborg conversation I had with somebody? I think the consensus was that either we/I were/are philistines or she's really friggin dull. Maybe I was just having that chat with myself.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

Absolutely agree with the recommendatioins for The Good Soldier.

Try this recent thread for Bellow: Saul Bellow RIP

Malcolm Lowry is hard work. Under the Volcano is the best, but it's rather depressing and all about being drunk in Mexico (which Lowry was for a long time).

andyjack (andyjack), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

The Djuna Barnes I have read is pretty dull, but I keep assuming I'm missing something.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Can anybody explain her appeal? Or importance, I suppose, if there is no appeal...

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

nightwood is quite amazing. I never read anything else by her

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

That's not quite an explanation, of course. But Nightwood and that slim New Directions book are the two things I've tried to read.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Why was Nightwood amazing, Kyle? What am I missing? I made it through and was barely breathing by the end. Just went on Amazon to look at the excerpt they've got and felt my lids lowering by the end of one page... Reading the plot synopsis reminded me of how pallid that Robin character was... I mean, how do you make a lesbian love story so stiflingly boring?!?! I guess you write it in 1961 but try to sound like it's 1889. (Hm... come to think of it there are a lot of boring lesbian love stories, so maybe that isn't a fair question.)

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

"I guess you write it in 1961 but try to sound like it's 1889."

i don't get this part of your post, ann. nightwood came out in 1936. i think she started writing it in 1931. eliot's famous introduction to nightwood sure is glowing, i don't know why i never feel like picking it up and reading it.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

eliot's famous introduction to nightwood sure is glowing, i don't know why i never feel like picking it up and reading it

In my case it was the suspicion that if a book got that much of a puff from one of the most celebrated and anthologised critics of the century, and yet all but disappeared into obscurity within a generation, the likeliest explanation was that it wasn't much good.

frankiemachine, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Hm, I must have gotten it confused with something else. Sorry about that.

Ann Sterzinger (Ann Sterzinger), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

'noncyborg'

Barnes is poor, I think.

Bellow and Roth are not modernists save in a very, maybe excessively, expanded sense.

Dos Passos's Manhattan book is kind of good as I have elsewhere said.

the dreamfox, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read all the writers on that list but I'd agree with people who recommended The Good Soldier. But, while it's regarded as a seminal modernist text, that's mainly because of its pioneering use of the "unreliable narrator", a technique now so commonplace (even among relatively conservative novelists) that a contemporary reader might have some difficulty in seeing what makes it "modernist".

Of the two more contemporary writers, I feel much more unambiguous about Roth than Bellow. An American Pastoral is particularly good, my favourite novel written in the last 10 years.

frankiemachine, Thursday, 16 June 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I think the problem with Nightwood is that it's really a book-length poem but since it pretends to be a novel, people want the traditional values of a novel (story, plot, characterization). But it's really brilliant, unique, lyrical, dense--less like other gay fiction than like Maldoror by Latreaumont or the harder Henry James novels. I'd quote some of it to back me up, but my copies in storage somewhere in Connecticut.

Her earlier stories (just released by Sun and Moon) are easier, though more slight, but they have a sort of mid-tempo, easygoing lyricism. She also write the Ladies Almanack (?) which appears to be written in middle english.

> In my case it was the suspicion that if a book got that much of a
> puff from one of the most celebrated and anthologised critics of the > century, and yet all but disappeared into obscurity within a
> generation, the likeliest explanation was that it wasn't much good.

Well her obscurity probably has to do with her not having written much else (and not done much in the way of PR) and because Nightwood is slow and difficult. Maybe other "hard" modernists produced large bodies of work, first wrote in more accessible styles (James, Joyce), wrote in genres where difficulties were expected, were great self-publicists (Eliot, Pound), or had an industry behind them. There's an essay by Edmund White where he explains Djuna Barnes's obscurity by saying that early 20th century writing shifted away from Barnes's Jamesian style and towards the silly, anti-lyricism of Hemingway.

Also, this happens to a lot of good writers: Joyce and Dylan Thomas thought Flann O'Brien was one of the best writers of his generation (Thomas though Barnes was one of the top 3 women writers of hers!), but he's pretty obscure--a commercial failure.

kenchen, Monday, 8 August 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
Flann, yes! Djuna, boring (unusual in her time, but not really that much there).

steve ketchup, Saturday, 17 September 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

I just finished "the Good Soldier" and it really is a fine read. Not a story I would delve into based on the jacket description, but as we say, 'it's not the tale it's the teller'. The non-linearity of the narration makes the book suspenseful, and the 'unreliability' of the narrator had me wondering just how much a part he had in making this 'the saddest story'. The morality is very dated, but if you enjoy Edwardian sensibilities you won't be disappointed. I wonder what comment Ford was trying to make in making his first person narrator an American, even though it seems likely that Ford had spent little, if any, time here?

Docpacey (docpacey), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

Has anyone read the version of Nightwood published by Dalkey? It's a 'restored' version:

http://www.dalkeyarchive.com/catalog/show/197

If so, how does it compare with the version published by faber.

Haven't read it but planning to get a copy.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 27 October 2008 19:11 (seventeen years ago)

I hope for all our sakes it's better than the Faber edition. Maybe with some different words, in a different order?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 11:30 (seventeen years ago)

I've not read Nightwood although its the kind of thing I think I'd like.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 12:16 (seventeen years ago)

Wow, that's an ugly hack job of a cover.

Casuistry, Tuesday, 28 October 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

um, i thought the ending to the good soldier was way too melodramatic and it marred the whole book for me...i did unwittingly SPOIL it for myself though

goofus vs. gallant (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 28 October 2008 19:07 (seventeen years ago)

That cover might be a tad obvious but it didn't strike as terrible.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 29 October 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)


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