Peter David: C/D

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David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

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Much of his Hulk. It was a huge run, so there is necessarily a lot of dud material, and I never warmed up to the Pantheon. But this is probably the most definitive post-Lee Hulk run.

Spidey. Death of Jean DeWolff! I lent my Sin-Eater issues to a friend whose mother threw them out -- along with the Killing Joke I'd also lent him -- because they were "vile and disgusting." I have never gotten over this.

PAD originated the "DD knows Spidey's identity" thing in that very storyline, didn't he?

X-Factor, but especially the new one.

Future Imperfect. You don't need to read his Hulk run to read this -- it kind of promised things I don't think he ever delivered with the Hulk, but it works on its own.

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Anything too fannish. I mean, I don't know. If you really love Star Trek or Babylon 5 comics, maybe his are the best. But "I like PAD, so I'll like this" logic doesn't work for them.

Even in his good work, the fannishness sometimes creeps out too much. I mean, the joke in X-Factor about Val Cooper having a cousin named Dale in the FBI was cute, but he sometimes brings those gags too often.

Aquaman. Not his fault, necessarily. Even Veitch couldn't make me excited about Aquaman.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to think of what else he's done for DC. Young Justice, enh. Not terrible. I think I remember disliking the art.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Supergirl! And Fallen Angel (which I've only read in its new incarnation, and am enjoying)!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say SUPERGIRL! That's the only series of his besides the latest incarnation of X-Factor that I've gone gaga over. (Everything else had some combination of the "I am too broke to buy comics"/"I wouldn't read about these characters even if it would guarantee free blowjobs for the rest of my life" barriers to entry.)

Dan (More Psychoevil Protagonists Plz) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I've been meaning to go eBaying for his SG run. Please note: when some fannie asked Mark Waid (during this weekend's con action) about the role Linda Danvers might play, MW said: "See Fallen Angel."

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Might play in OYL / 52 / INFINITE FACECORE shenanigans, that is.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Also: WHITHER THE WILDMAN!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh doh, yeah, Supergirl. How could I forget Supergirl? A high-profile DC book, at that, especially online.

I really need to catch up on it, though -- I missed a slice out of the middle and pretty much most of the end. The only issue I picked up of Fallen Angel was hard to follow, presumably because it was in the middle of something.

Man, the Wild Man was a disappointment. Where did that end up going? Didn't read the last two years of PADHulk either.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

There were massive rumours (and, if you believe PAD, promises from DC) that Fallen Angel would mutate into a Supergirl book eventually after a SHOCKING CONCLUSION where THINGS WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. Not much chance of that now it's at IDW though.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can't really see the appeal of the latest X-Factor, but his first run was amazing, nearly JLI-esque stuff. I loved his run in Hulk too, except for all the stuff that came after the Fall of the Pantheon, he really ran out of steam and the series totally lost its focus.

His supergirl series is uneven, but the last story arc is beautiful, probably his best work. Kinda like a "Whatever Happened to the Girl of Steel?"

i0dine, Monday, 13 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone know anything about Sleepwalkers, if that was the name? I never heard anything good about it, and it's by PAD, so I sort of assumed it was no good.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

I can't really see the appeal of the latest X-Factor

X-Force refugees + Generation X refugees = instantly appealing to Daniel Perry.

Dan (BRING BACK SYNCH) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 13 February 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

I loved Peter David's run on the Hulk from the start (#331, though I think he may have done a fill-in a few issues before that one) up to issue #400. I started losing interest after that, though I kept reading until the Fall of the Pantheon story. Like i0dine, I thought David' stories drifted from then on.

His first run on X-Factor is also fine, especially the issued penciled by Larry Stroman, who had an unconventional style I really liked. Stroman's work was very unusual for an "X-book" and helped the book stand out.

I could be wrong on this, but I remember reading that David ran into editorial interference on *both* books, which lead to his departure from each.

PD also wrote a strong series of three back up stories for various "X book" annuals, in the early 90's, which paid tribute to various characters who had been killed off. The titles were "Tribute the First/Second/Third). One was a tribute to Destiny, another Cypher, but I don't remember who the third was for. The Cypher story in particular is excellent. I doubt these stories will ever be collect in trade paperback, but they are worth looking for.

James, Monday, 13 February 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Loved his Hulk, especially the Dale Keown issues. He handled the psychoanalysis, merging of the three personalities and introduction of the Pantheon over three or so issues with incredible assurance. Plus his Hulk scripts were generally pretty funny.

also loved X-Factor. That issue - with Quesada art, I think - where all of the team are psychoanalised by an off-panel Doc Samson was fantastic.

Second the Death of Jean DeWoolf. One of the great post Lee/Ditko Spidey stories.

David N (David N.), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, I remember the Doc Samson issue of X-Factor. And just in general, PAD writes a good Doc Samson. He wasn't a very interesting character in his first appearances -- I don't remember how long a stretch there was between then and PAD nor how much credit goes to him (when I first started reading Hulk, I was too young to pay attention to creator names). But he both brought him a relatively long way and (maybe more often) used him as a good dramatic device.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Oh God, I read the Doc Samson issue aftre eevry comics fan in creation told me it was God's Comic and was massively underwhelmed. It sort of screamed "LOOK I'M CLEVER YOU FUCKING MORON!" at me and I wanted to punch it in the nuts until it bled.

Dan (Had To Be There) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think fans tend to do that -- the overselling -- any time a reasonably popular comic has a self-contained single issue that breaks its recent rhythm. I'd hate to be somebody reading the G.I. Joe "silent issue" for the first time after 20 years of hindsight hype. (The way I hated to be someone reading during Marvel's silent month!) (At least we didn't have Doc Samson Talks To The Cast Month.)

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)

The only pre-PAD Doc Samson innovation I can recall is John Howdy Mofo'n Byrne giving him a padded (Members Only?) vest & ponytail.

I was gonna say that PAD's one of the few pre-Jemas spandex writers I can think of that's genuinely (& intentionally) funny, but I'm not sure where to go w/ that, other than to say, "yeah, he makes me chuckle from time to time." Also, nowadays there are more than a few (intentionally) funny writers working for the Big Two - BKV, Bendis on Ultimate Spidey, the Slott Machine, Waid occasionally (esp. on LOSH). OK, maybe not that many.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Sumbitch, someone on the interweb (@ Amazon!) already drew parallels between PAD's Hulk & AM's Swamp Thing.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

On balance, I think Joe Kelly is a lot funnier than PAD, PARTICULARLY when he was doing Deadpool and the misfit X-Men.

Dan (Also WARREN ELLIS) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Moore's effect on Swamp Thing was more severe than PAD's on Hulk (if nothing else because Moore's first "innovation" with ST was just to perceive the character as innovatable), but in terms of exploring and redefining what made the protagonists tick, I can see the PADHulk-MooreThing comparison.

As far as the funny goes, I think PAD's closest to Bendis in style -- less likely to take on funny characters, or funny premises, and more likely to insert a fair bit of lightness or comic relief in otherwise serious superhero comics. Slott's the guy to go to for GLA, in other words -- or Giffen, for JLI -- but Bendis and PAD are the guys more likely to insert jokes and eye-rolling into a plot that's not inherently funny.

One's not better than the other, it's just an approach thing.

I think PAD's focus on the supporting cast in The Hulk went a long way towards enabling that, too -- for most of his run it was really an ensemble book.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Note to self: eBay for Kelly's Deadpool run.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I am a shitwit:

Peter David: S&D

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)


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