Peter David: S&D

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PAD is maybe back writing the Hulk. Is this a good thing? A bad thing? Indifferent? Has anyone been reading the title lately?

I liked the beginning of Bruce Jones's run, and then quickly became bored despite having more or less the same feeling about its quality. Haven't even glanced at it since. There's a good chance I'll pick up PAD's initial six issues, and if he stays on longer than that I'll definitely start reading again.

But I figured, PAD's been mentioned here and there without having his own thread, so why not start one? His X-Factor got some love here, and I think something that made it work is that it's one of the X-books that never tried to be anything like the platonic neo-Claremontian X-Men everyone else keeps trying to summon up.

His Hulk run is one of my favorite long, long runs by a writer on a title he didn't create (maybe I don't need that disclaimer and can just rephrase it as "I like Stan and Jack's FF better") -- it wasn't all gold, and I never warmed up to the Pantheon or to many of the SHIELD characters, but Rick really developed, Marlo was great, the Leader was great, and some of PAD's additions to the mythos -- the Maestro, Mr Fixit -- were brilliant and felt like they could've been there all along.

I don't remember much of his Spidey run except the Sin-Eater, and the subsequent death of Jean DeWolff, mostly because I lent those comics to a friend whose mother threw them out because they were evil. Was he writing when McFarlane was drawing? (Back when McFarlane did comics.)

Never read Young Justice, never read Spyboy, read one of his Star Trek novels (Imzadi) because my ex compared me to Riker (I still do not know if this is a good thing).

There's his Supergirl, which I had mixed feelings about (loved some of it, bored by some of it, never liked the art).

Then there are his columns, and probably a billion other things I'm forgetting.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 00:12 (twenty years ago)

Bruce Jones' Hulk run has been very good, it's turned out to be a single plot all along. SPOILER ALERT - The Leader has been manipulating all the characters. It's definitely worth reading.

PAD's best work recently was his atonishing run on Captain Marvel (cancelled about 6 months ago with #25) which was frequently the best book mainstream Marvel were putting out (Alias trumping it, obviously, and The Ultimates). I'm looking forward to him being back on Hulk, though how long for still seems to be under debate.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 10:00 (twenty years ago)

Wait a sec - 40+ issues of Betty cloning & undead spies & clandestine foofery, and it all turns out to be another LEADER plot? I stuck it out through the late #60s, but I think I'm glad I bailed when I did.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:42 (twenty years ago)

He lost it sometime around Hulk 400 and by the time I stopped paying attention (when he was doing Supergirl and Young Justice) he hadn't got it back. This may have changed. Before that though he was good.

His cause hasn't been helped in my eyes by the (entirely unfair) fact of his public persona as industry pontificator and messageboard frequenter. Even when he was right he was annoying about it.

I think his strength as a writer lies in balancing moods. The closer he gets to doing out-and-out humour, or out-and-out Serious Stuff or out-and-out corny soap shit the worse he gets: Hulk and X-Factor worked cos you were never quite sure how seriously you'd have to take the next story/issue/page.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago)

I almost brought up "public PAD" when I mentioned the columns, yeah -- I remember taking some kind of thrill out of his baiting of McFarlane, but I think it was the novelty of one professional dissing another, and it faded fast.

I can't believe I forgot Captain Marvel! I somehow never got into it even though it was always good when I picked it up. I don't know, I was on a tighter budget then, too, so maybe I just didn't want to drop something I was already reading.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 12:02 (twenty years ago)

I liked the beginning of the Supergirl run! Then it got kind of dumb.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I assume that at some point he stopped writing Soulsearchers, but it kept surpriseing me by turning up on the lists of stuff out this week.

X-Factor was classic when I was younger.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I liked the beginning of Supergirl, and then it went meh, and then it got pretty good again, and then it went meh, and then I didn't read it for a long time, and didn't something happen with Supergirl Kara?, and I picked up an issue that was pretty good, and then it got cancelled.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 16:15 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...
REVIVE because I think PAD just retconned the last near-decade of Hulk stories w/ the latest issue. Or maybe it's just a pump fake. Still, though, whoa.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Anyone notice the identical final pages on Hulk and Avengers last month?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 15 April 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Thanks to Usenet, I cannot see either P4D's or Mark Wa1d's name on a book without thinking of FANGURL EXTREMA and cringing.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 15 April 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Quoi?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 15 April 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

E14yne (W3chsl3r-Ch4put) Rigg5, aka TEH BANE OF RAC*; I'm sure she's been mentioned before (I think Huk and I spent some time laughing at her).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 16 April 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Ahhhhhhh.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 16 April 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

My finest moment

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 16 April 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

I read a lot of Young Justice. It was alright, and good fun, like a comic book of a cartoon. I'm still quite fond of the kids going camping, and Robin accepting a dare to remove his mask. He'd thought this might happen, so he had another identical mask beneath.

But it wasn't exactly exciting, and I think that it was the comic that got dropped when I read Warren Ellis' last Come In Alone column about how buying stuff because the characters used to be interesting, or the writers used to be great, isn't helping anything. Coincidentally, Young Lobo had just been added to the team.

Hulk and X-Factor worked cos you were never quite sure how seriously you'd have to take the next story/issue/page.

This is very true, and most noticable in the Marla Dies storyline, where he got some laughs out of Rick trying to convince Doctor Strange that everyone comes back from the dead. And still, Marla stayed dead (well, for a respectable length of time, at any rate).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 16 April 2005 10:33 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

Peter David had a stroke.

I have had a Stroke

We were on vacation in Florida when I lost control of the right side of my body. I cannot see properly and I cannot move my right arm or leg. We are currently getting the extent of the damage sorted out and will report as further details become clarified.

PAD

Here's hoping for a quick and full recovery.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 30 December 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago)

three weeks pass...

!!!

flag posts in the dust (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 20 January 2013 18:51 (twelve years ago)

He's doing pretty well; in rehab with a long road ahead, but prognosis is pretty good. He's updating his status on his website as opposed to his wife's updates for the past weeks. I take that as a good sign.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 20 January 2013 19:08 (twelve years ago)

right on, it's been way too long since I clicked on ILC apparently

flag posts in the dust (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:32 (twelve years ago)

three months pass...

Bum. Just saw X-Factor is being cancelled. Though this interminable demon war story is not working for me. I have a personal prejudice against fantasy in essentially sci-fi superhero comics, which is dumb given how un-sci the fi is, but I can't help it.

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 10 May 2013 00:38 (twelve years ago)

Cancelled due to PAD illness, or bad sales?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 10 May 2013 11:44 (twelve years ago)

sales, I think, though they're spinning the "it's reached its natural end" line, which may be a bit true

ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Sunday, 12 May 2013 23:36 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

I haven't kept up with PAD's recovery, but here's a line from an Evanier SDCC update: "Peter David, looking like he was never sick a day in his life, played our Secret Words game and later, we played it with the only person I know who’s a superstar of British television, Jonathan Ross."

schlock corridor (WilliamC), Sunday, 21 July 2013 23:53 (eleven years ago)

eleven years pass...

R.I.P. to this guy

bad faith guy (morrisp), Sunday, 25 May 2025 19:49 (three weeks ago)

I find this incredibly sad. It seems like he never stopped working like a demon his entire life, and he still couldn’t pay for his healthcare. What a shit payoff.

I loved X Factor and Hulk as a kid, and the 2000s relaunch of XF was a great comeback. Back in the 2010s, finding an old paperback of Imzadi on holiday helped push me out of a longterm depression and taught me to enjoy reading again. So I’ll always be grateful for that.

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 25 May 2025 21:02 (three weeks ago)

tbf he was crowdfunding to pay his tax bill years before he was crowdfunding to pay his medical bills so he may just have been bad with money

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Sunday, 25 May 2025 21:10 (three weeks ago)


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