comics are disposable and not genuine

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(from "Bands Named After Books" thread on ILM.)

If we're counting comic books, then there's Love and Rockets.
-- o. nate (syne_wav...), February 15th, 2006 12:37 PM. (onate) (later)

those arent real books, they are transient and disposable and they arent genuine.
-- AaronK the bookist (fuzz_...), February 15th, 2006 12:42 PM. (AaronK) (later)

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

DC's Showcase Presents OMG SO CHEAP MUST HAVE METAMORPHO!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Disposability and genuineness aren't mutually exclusive!

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

(i'm 98% sure AaronK's taking the piss there)

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Comics have lost almost all of their disposability. Discuss.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Is disposability a central tenet of Thrill Power?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

Very possibly - I tried reading Essential FF 2 the other day for the second time in 18 months and the stories aren't nearly as exciting when you've got clear memories of them. I ended up mainly admiring the art and getting annoyed by Reed Richards and gave up halfway. I'll read it again in five years or so.

― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

i read ff3 recently, i was reading that stuff for the first time & i totally loved it!! it's not disposable at all!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

not that i even really know what that means.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

or what thrill power means for that reason.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

Most people who buy comic books read them. Most people who buy books don't.

I suppose for some people books may be intransient and indisposable because they become unchanging features of the living room, never moving from that pretty spot on the shelf, but fuck those people.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

"Realness" is transient and disposable, and not at all genuine!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

There was some story circulating about either Geoff Johns or Bryan Singer recalling Richard Donner posting big banners with the word "verisimilitude" on them all over the production of the first Superman movie and whoever was relating the story (either Johns or Singer) said it mean "reality" and that Donner wanted everything in the movie to "be real" and that that's how Johns or Singer is approaching whatever project they were being interviewed about (Inf. Crisis or Superman Returns).
But verisimilitude is the appearance of reality, which is something quite different, esp. when you're dealing with superheroes.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

No doubt - that's why art that strives for realism often falls flat, while stylized art flourishes. (See also: The Polar Express vs. The Incredibles)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Greg Horn vs. Adam Hughes

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

totally!!

although i like when things take the "realistic" approach sometimes too, if it provides a pleasing contrast!

like the realistic relationships & emotional arcs in something like buffy

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair, I doubt they actually misunderstood that so much as articulated it badly. "Realism" and the internally consistent logic of "verisimilitude" are pretty loosely and interchangeably used terms, but five minute spiel on the matter is pretty much Writing Workshop 101 first-week patter, ten minutes if you're writing a screenplay.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I think I was actually dreaming about this thread last night!!!
Unless I was actually having a conversation with someone about Alex Ross, and why, though striking, his fancy paintings don't really work for me as superhero comics art. Because it's of that "classicist" strain, that, "I worked a really long time on this image of Superman punching Brainiac in the nards" that diminishes the fast & cheap ethos of "classic" comicbookery.
Actually.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

It's like Symphonic Crunk or something.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Huk just broke my brane. My poor poor brane.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Re: Alex Ross, the more realistic it gets, the more I see a grandmother, high school best friend, or celebrity being used as the superhero model.

And while loving the Ultimates' plots, characters, and art, reading the first vol. 2 trade, seeing Samuel L. Jackson as Fury or a big Thor headshot with Brad Pitt's face - BAM, I'm knocked out of the comic. Artist as author intrusion.

― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

The Angelina Jolie In Hackers chick in Secret War distracts me more than if someone were to digitally replace her with Harley Quinn Smith's crayon drawings of her father. I think I actually stop reading and try to remember which scene the still was taken from.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sequart.com/superman/posterSupergirl.jpg

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Honey, since it's our anniversary, I have a little favor I'd like to ask you."

― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

The real reason Zor-El launched his daughter into space! Har har!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

last night for valentine's day i dressed my hang up as wonder woman.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

That part always bugged me because I thought Avery "Captain Sisko" Brooks was the closer ringer.

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://vanparecon.resist.ca/StarTrekEcon/STEcon_files/siskosmall.jpg

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

I think you mean Avery 'Hawk' Brooks

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

I just finally read Jonah Hex #1 and the whole Clint Eastwood photo ref is really annoying. Especially since in the Showcase Stuff, J-Hex transcends whatever Man With No Name bullhooey he was originally saddled (GET IT?) with.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I'm not sure if it's actually any good.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 16 February 2006 04:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lacitybeat.com/index.php

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 17 February 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I make a distinction between realistic visuals and realism of the story/content/etc. Alex Ross is the most boring comics artist in the world to my eyes.

I agree on the old FFs being disposable because, today, I find 'em really hard to read -- Stan cranked those scripts out, trying to push the right buttons and keeps sales climbing... he was/is a totally cynical guy. But the artwork's great, so those Essential books are still keepers.

Not sure what 'genuine' means in this context though, without some qualification. Insincere? You gotta look at every comic on an individual basis...

― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I think you mean Avery "Awesome Sweater" Brooks

http://www.frostillustrated.com/news/2005/0720/Arts_And_Entertainment/021p1_lg.jpg

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 20 February 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

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