I eat pieces of SHIP like you for breakfast: August 16, 2006

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ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #2
NEXTWAVE AGENTS OF HATE #7
WASTELAND #2

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Just Runaways for me. And I might try to catch up on recent Love & Rockets-related back issues, since I finished all dem trades.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

This is a truly awful week. Just 52 (yawn), post-shark-jump Runaways, and maybe Ultimate FF if that's the first proper Carey issue. But yeah, what a waste.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

ugh ugh my friend showed me a page from the new Runaways and it is so fucking lame. I am quitting it. :c

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

oh and I think the new UFF is the last Greg Land but I am very likely wrong. The annual is Stuart Immonen, yays.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Tuesday, 15 August 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

Is Runaways an ongoing now or are they doing another "season" w/end point?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, worst week since I started reading again. The only thing on my actual list this week is 52, but I might pick up the Green Lantern Corps, too.

More talk here

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 01:38 (nineteen years ago)

Horrible week, yes. Probably just 52 for me. If I'm feeling really flush I might get ADVENTURES IN OZ or just buy a couple of FINDER TPBs to give to yet-unconverted friends. (The last one I gave a copy of "Talisman" to bought all the rest within a week, I think.) Or maybe my store will have the CUP NOODLE manga.

THE BOYS looks like the worst comic ever, in the "waste of former talent" division. I loved PREACHER and liked HITMAN a lot, and I'm not sure at what point Ennis jumped the shark, but he's jumped it, all right.

― Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

ugh ugh my friend showed me a page from the new Runaways and it is so fucking lame. I am quitting it. :c

How can one page be that bad?

ACTUALLY DON'T SPOIL ME.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

Runaways is ongoing now, they aren't going to bother relaunching the series. The new issue is the first issue of volume 7 of the digests, or volume 3 of the hardcovers, if they are still doing that.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

Standards are a terrible thing to have. (Possibilities in bold.)

REX MUNDI DH ED #1
52 WEEK #15
BOYS #1 (MR) --> THIS BETTER NOT SUCK!
CHECKMATE #5 --> THIS ISN'T AS BAD AS I THOUGHT IT'D BE!
GREEN LANTERN CORPS #3
SHADOWPACT #4
TESTAMENT #9 (MR) --> THIS IS STARTING TO IRRITATE ME!
CASANOVA #3 (MR) --> THIS IS AWESOME!
PHONOGRAM #1
CIVIL WAR X-MEN #2 (OF 4)
IRON MAN #11 --> THIS HAS BEEN GREAT!
NEXTWAVE AGENTS OF HATE #7
RUNAWAYS #19
SENSATIONAL SPIDER-MAN #29
THUNDERBOLTS #105 CW
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #32
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR ANNUAL #2
WASTELAND #2 (MR) --> THIS IS REALLY COOL!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

52 & GLC for me. Also, must use my $50 gift certificate before I move IN 8 DAYS!!!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, there's a CASANOVA? Getting that too.

― Douglas (Douglas), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

UFF is the last Millar issue, his run has been a lot of fun so far.

― Amadeo (Amadeo G.), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=80636 slip slip sliding

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

someone probably guessed the ending and now they have to change it.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

ALICIA MASTERS IS THE NEW HATEMONGER!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

NAMOR IS MONARCH!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

NAMORITA IS A MAN(atee)!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

SPEEDBALL: THE HERALD OF GALACTUS!

In light of my newfound / burgeoning luv for Matthew Q. Fraction, Brah-At-Large, I might dip my toe into the FIVE FISTS OF SCIENCE or some of his AiT work!

Let us now talk about Wasteland, a future-dystopia psychics / monsters / desert-nomads type of thing that is leaps and bounds better than you think it is.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

BONUS: The 1st issue gets you, like, one billion pages of story (or 48) for only $3!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

any relation to the late 80s DC series Wasteland by Del Shannon?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

Um, no.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

WHY DONT ANY OF YOU READ SHADOWPACT?? THEY ARE IN A FUCKING BLOOD DOME IN WISCONSIN. THAT IS AWESOME! THEY ARE GOING TO CANCEL IT IF YOU GUYS DONT GET IT!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder. I wah-wah-wah-wah-wonder.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

CHAKI DUDE CHECK MY LIST

SHADOWPACT IS ON THE FIFTH PAGE

Shadowpact is OK - if I were in a crunch, it'd get the heave-ho, but it's light breezy stupid fun. And getting Cory Walker on zee art is a vast improvement over BW's bulbousiosity.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Runaways was alright, but I still get some post-shark-jump vibes from it, though that could just be because the fill-in art was way below average in this issue, and there's this increasing stiffness to the series that wasn't always there.

52 was better than usual, though really, enough with killing/ruining JLI characters already!

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

NOOOOOOOO NOT MAGNA KHAN

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Is Catherine Colbert still among the JLI-VING

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

So they finally offed Mitch Wacky, huh?

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

I've never been certain about the spoiler policy on SHIP threads -- do they need to be/are they identified as spoilers? Because I'm not getting my books till the weekend at the earliest, if at all, and I'm scared that Matthew's post has spoils!

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! No spoils please on the ship thread, I haven't read it yet (not that that spoiler hasn't been on the net for three months).

― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Warlock spoiled it in 1994.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

FUCKIN MATT STOP GETTIN YOUR BOOKS BEFORE EVERYONE.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.warlockmag.com/?p=116

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

UM, MASSIVE SPOILERS IN ABOVE LINK

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

MASSIVE SPOILERS ON THIS WEEK'S COVER, TOO

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

BOOSTER GOLD IS REALLY STEPHANIE BROWN???

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

lol but what happens to skeetz?!

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

GUESS WHODUNIT?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

...that little cocksucker.

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, spoilers are beside the point with this issue of 52 if you just look at the cover, which I assume you would do if you were going to buy it/read it.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Just so we're clear, I was talking about Runaways re: spoilers.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Let us now talk about Wasteland, a future-dystopia psychics / monsters / desert-nomads type of thing that is leaps and bounds better than you think it is.

-- David R. (quoteidio...), August 16th, 2006 1:45 PM. (popshots75`) (later) (link)

YES LET'S.

Actually it'll have to wait until Saturday because when I went to get the first issue it were SOLD OUT so I have only read the first whatever pages they had online but I LOVE THE CONCEPT.

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

Today I wondered if the ending to Civil War would be Spider-Man waking up and realizing it was all a terrible dream. MAYBE MARVEL READ MY BRAIN TO LEARN I HAD DISCOVERED THE SEEECRET.

Who is writing Iron Man right now, hmmm?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

PHONOGRAM is exactly what I expected it to be: quite good. I approve of any writer who worships Pull Shapes by The Pipettes, so I'll be Meltzer's bitch if he concurs.

CASANOVA - also very good, but very much the hangover after last issue's melee. PLUS: More fun w/ bra design!

― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

David's right, Iron Man has been great! Written by the dude who wrote some HBO series! Carnivale, I think! I would tell you how great this week's issue is, but I forgot it at work. It'll have to wait til tomorrow.

― the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Ron (I:GOT U) Marz has been learning the technique of foreshadowing from the 52 writers.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 17 August 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

And Robin is a really, really good comic.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 17 August 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

What was I spoiling in Runaways aside from saying that the fill-in art was a bit on the sucky side?

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

Leeeee doesn't know, because Leeeee won't read it because he thinks it has spoilers!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

Nextwave = awesome

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Thursday, 17 August 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I was being pre-emptively sensitive.

Wait, isn't Mike Norton doing the art? He's pretty good! On that Q&C volume, anyway.

― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 17 August 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Norton's art isn't awful, just really bland, especially in comparison to Adrian Alphona, who I adore.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

The Ult FF annual was really good, Mike Carey did a great job. I guess I'm definitely on for his run on the regular series, though it's going to take a LOT for me to not hate the idea of Lil' Reed Richards, teenypop scientist.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ult FF Annual WAS good (esp. in light of the mehtastic conclusion to Millar's UFF run). I want Frazier Irving to have my goth monster babies. I dare say it was the BEST MOLE MAN STORY EVER (TM).

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Richard "Joan" Baez: more on PHONOGRAM, plz!

Iron Man: yes it is v. good! Much better than the preceding Warren Ellis run - the Knauf dudes (AKA the father / son Carnivale dudes) are building off of the changes WE instituted, tho, instead of just doing their own thing. If you're in the mood for remote-control assassination nonsense, really bad dye jobs, & SHIELD, LOOK NO FURTHER!

Fantastic Four: is it just me, or did the last issue (where Ben Grimm goes Gertrude Stein) reiterate a BIG chunk of the last issue of Civil War? Like whatever.

Sensational Spider-Man: could be the best straight-forward Spidey book on the market! No PAD wokka-wokkas, no JMS chest-hair-pulling; just simple, corny superheroics! Chameleon! Molten Man! Madame Web! Will O' The Wisp! AND SWARM! ETHAN PADGETT THERE IS SWARM IN THIS!

Green Lantern Corps: FUN!

Checkmate: PRETTY GOOD!

The Boys: NOT SO FUN OR GOOD! GET WELL SOON!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Phonogram was really cringe-inducing. I bought it cos it was a slow week and I was a little interested, but it's kinda a perfect example of how not to do music-related stuff in a comic whereas Scott Pilgrim is just about exactly how to do it right. It has some of the worst "pathetic English dorks desperately trying to impress you" vibes I've ever encountered, to the point where it made Warren Ellis seem sorta hip.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

...

I thought Ellis was hip?

― KING DORKUS IV (Leee), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Taking Sides: "hip" vs. "edgy"

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

A second rereading and I'm downgrading my PHONOGRAM rating to "decent". It goes somewhat off the rails at the precise moment the (excellent) preview ends - the "sexual experimentation" bit being especially horrendous, a graceless bit of self-congratulatory posturing on the part of the writer. I did like the flashback sequence w/ the Kenickie single, though.

― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I had this conversation earlier with someone who liked Phonogram more, and we both agreed that it totally goes to a terrible, terrible place at the gratuitous and stupid "sexual experimentation" scene.

But I don't know, I think that's just the worst moment of a comic that has at least one really cringe-inducing thing going on every page.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

However, the comic will be totally fascinating to anthropologists someday.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

ME HAVE FAITH, ME AM BELIEVER.

(Or maybe a writer who loves Kenickie as much as me can be wrong???? WAIT AND SEE...)

― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

I did like the flashback sequence w/ the Kenickie single, though.

Haha, my comic shop didn't have it today (and damn the filesharing networks for not scanning it while I wait for it to come over the Atlantic), but I knew Kieron wouldn't be able to resist dropping them in ...

― carson dial (carson dial), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

They fucking dowminate the comic. He should bring up bands I don't like...maybe then my rose-tinted lenses would fall away...

― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

The way he writes about Kenickie is really the only interesting/smart thing in the comic aside from the Elastica tribute cover.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

The comic truly is a uniquely British sort of awfulness, which I guess is sort of fascinating in some ways...

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Music reviews in graphic form - the wave of the future!

― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Gillen's a fanstastic music writer, so I'd expect that (also, he used to co-run Kenickie.com many moons ago,). Hopefully, the covers won't be the best thing about the series (but they are fabulous, from what I've seen of the next ones).

― carson dial (carson dial), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

The worst thing about the music stuff in Phonogram was that after smugly dropping in all those indie rock references, they felt compelled to smugly explain them all in the appendix.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 18 August 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Wot's a kenickie? I thought the comic was about Elastica, I did!

― c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

He should bring up bands I don't like...maybe then my rose-tinted lenses would fall away...

I think it kinda helps that I don't care about any of the bands mentioned.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Jordan about the appendix.

Kenickie were a British pop-punk band from the late 90s who sound like they'd be utterly fantastic when Gillen writes about them, but are only sorta eh, okay when you actually hear the records.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

But is there much Elastica
within this comica?
That's the only reason why
the comic caught my eye.

CHORUS

― c('°c) (Leee), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, you know, one of the things that really bugs me about the comic is the same thing that grates on me with "The Shins will save your life" and other things like that - people writing about music as though really liking music is at all special or interesting or unique. It's the same thing with guys like Rick Moody, Cameron Crowe, Nick Hornby --- it seriously makes being seriously into music seem like the dumbest thing in the world, and the fantasies it sets up around its characters are really transparent and often err on the side of a strange variation on "Mary Sue" characterization.

There's no Elastic in it Kirby. I admit that a lot of why I bought it, other than money burning a hole in my pocket, is that I just really like Elastica a lot and had a hope that it might be good.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Friday, 18 August 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

'Cool' is the new 'uncool'.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Friday, 18 August 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Kenickie were truly fantastic up until the end of the first album (and the second one has "I am strong, to break your fists on" so it still wins. but EMI really fucked the b-sides up after the Punka re-release by clogging them full of useless remixes), at times even better than their inerviews.

― Kb (kit brash), Saturday, 19 August 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

SHADOWPACT 4 = fun fun! a blue devil solo adventure with awesome nerd demons

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 19 August 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

The worst thing about the music stuff in Phonogram was that after smugly dropping in all those indie rock references, they felt compelled to smugly explain them all in the appendix.

Oh come on, you can't have it both ways: either it's smug to put in references that only a smallish number of readers will get and leave them unexplained, or it's smug to explain them. I don't see how it can be both.

Rather than being an attempt to be cool which will later be of interest to anthropologists, I see Phonogram as an attempt at anthropology which is also in part about the things people do to try and be cool - the only point at which the posing seems to be being committed by Gillen as well as Kohl is in the phonecall sequence, but otherwise I thought it was great. Then again, I thought Kenickie were exactly as awesome as they're made to sound here, too.

Perhaps rather than being a particularly British kind of awfulness (gee, thanks, Matt), the problem is that the comic is very specific to a particular set of experiences limited by geography and time...

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Saturday, 19 August 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

It is not so much that the presence of the glossary is a problem, it is that the execution of it is mindblowingly awful.

But I think that it is always best to err on the side of not explaining every little thing for the audience, and having them figure out stuff for themselves. Let the fans be the ones to annotate -- that is part of the fun of fandom in the first place.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Saturday, 19 August 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Which bits of the glossary in particular were mindblowingly awful?

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Saturday, 19 August 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

indie rock references are OVER

― the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 20 August 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

ian otm. thats what i was tryin to say in this thread:
When Tastes Collide IN YOUR FACE

i think

― chaki (chaki), Sunday, 20 August 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Particularly egregious entries: Afghan Whigs, Dusty Springfield, Kula Shaker, but really, it's the overall tone. Gillen just writes about music in this very punchable sort of way.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Sunday, 20 August 2006 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

Kenickie were a British pop-punk band from the late 90s who sound like they'd be utterly fantastic when Gillen writes about them, but are only sorta eh, okay when you actually hear the records.

See, this proves you're kind of crazy.

Also the anonymising effects of livejournal usernames is giving me the giggles, IE dudes (Matthew, Flyboy, the absent Mr Gillen), you do all know that you know each other? Not that it _matters_, it's just funny.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I know that I know Flyboy! I don't know Gillen at all, though, it's more of a one-degree-of-separation thing.

― Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

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