I've been wondering lately if this is a habit well kicked or if there's stuff out there that would, er, enrich my existence. So: not looking for the best comics ever, but how about some recommendations? If you'd like to convince a sceptic to check out something you really dig, here's your chance. My mind is as open as it'll ever be. Sell me your faves.
― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Sunday, 14 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)
- the overall quality of comics now is high - probably the highest its ever been; the number of totally crap comics (whether mainstream or alternative, superhero or autobiographical or whatever) seems to be much lower than when I was actually reading. The lessons of the great, groundbreaking comics of 15-20 years ago in whatever field have all been thoroughly learned and the medium is much better for that.
- but on the other hand there's not an awful lot coming out now I'd describe as essential. There's a lot more 7s and 8s and 9s than there used to be, but fewer 10s. My caveat there is that so far on this particular revival I haven't read very far away from the mainstream, but there's no name I see cropping up a lot in the way that 5 years ago people were going mad for Chris Ware (ACME Novelty Library).
― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 14 November 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 14 November 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Chrissie, can you give us a couple of pointers to your taste in comics--stuff you've really really liked in the past?
― Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)
Obviously, if I looked at them today, I'd think they were pretty awful. But it did make me look also at Kirby and Ditko, who I'll always have time for, and I still have some of their stuff around. I bought the Jimmy Olsen TPB a while back and it was terrific.
I don't think I'm especially mad about superhero stuff. Up to a certain point in my life, I'd still buy a few of those. It gets to be a habit. The Claremont/Byrne X-Men books were the best thing in the world when I was nine or ten, but one day I sat down and said, 'Why the hell am I still buying Byrne comics at the age of 25? Everything he's done in the last decade has been CRAP!' So that was that! I've hardly bought a comic since.
But since I'm trying to fiddle with the medium a bit myself (BTW, the URL above was erroneously my home page, and for comicsy stuff I should've pointed here), and fingers crossed it seems there might be professional activity related to comics on the horizon... I feel like there should be something out there to interest me.
Probably not superheroes, though.
― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, Whedon is fantastic at doing group dynamics, possibly the best person at it ever to write an X-Book.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)
(For that matter, there's a big gap between Buffy movie dialogue and Buffy show dialogue, even though they're pretty much the same on the page. In that case it's an issue of direction, I think.)
I kind of want to give early Claremont props on the group dynamics X-Men thing, without necessarily saying he was better at it than Whedon.
― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Hence my use of "possibly". :-)
Joe Kelly was also fantastic, particularly when you consider that he probably had the roster with the most "WTF???" characters on it.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)
X-Statix is the series I endorse.
― jel -- (jel), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mark C (Markco), Monday, 15 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)
(I know, I really must read the trades)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)
But probably a good thing, as I can't imagine a different creative team taking it anywhere.
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)
Chrissie, you should read Craig Thompson. Blankets is big deal, so is Goodbye, Chunky Rice too, though it gets lost in the Blankets shuffle.
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)
Also, Tuomas' suggestion to check out the Best Comics Ever! poll is a good one.
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
Been watching the Best Comics thread. Some interesting things in there and some rubbish. But I won't say which is which.
I'm somewhat interested in experimental uses of the medium. I try to be experimental myself -- possibly a risible aspiration and certainly not a way of getting a big audience -- and I suppose similarly strange applications might appeal to me. If a lot of people think it's uncool, it probably isn't. ;-) Um. Yes.
― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)
But as to the question: notwithstanding that you're doing the thing I despise most in the world -- putting words in my mouth to make a non-existent point -- like, who cares? ;-)
― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― _chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)