So Should I Read Anything?

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Never really looked in here before. Anyway. I've read one or two comics in my time (and even rather feebly try to make my own), but I've not read anything at all even semi-regularly for about ten years.

I've been wondering lately if this is a habit well kicked or if there's stuff out there that would, er, enrich my existence. So: not looking for the best comics ever, but how about some recommendations? If you'd like to convince a sceptic to check out something you really dig, here's your chance. My mind is as open as it'll ever be. Sell me your faves.

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Sunday, 14 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I was in a sort-of similar position - former comics reader, no real need to start picking them up again - and ILC turned me back onto them (especially when I found I could file-share the things). But more and more what I'm thinking is this:

- the overall quality of comics now is high - probably the highest its ever been; the number of totally crap comics (whether mainstream or alternative, superhero or autobiographical or whatever) seems to be much lower than when I was actually reading. The lessons of the great, groundbreaking comics of 15-20 years ago in whatever field have all been thoroughly learned and the medium is much better for that.

- but on the other hand there's not an awful lot coming out now I'd describe as essential. There's a lot more 7s and 8s and 9s than there used to be, but fewer 10s. My caveat there is that so far on this particular revival I haven't read very far away from the mainstream, but there's no name I see cropping up a lot in the way that 5 years ago people were going mad for Chris Ware (ACME Novelty Library).

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 14 November 2004 09:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Chrissie, perhaps you should check the ongoing Best Comics Ever poll thread, there's bound to be lots of good recommendations there.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 14 November 2004 12:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom, I predict you're going to see the names Kevin Huizenga and Carla Speed McNeil turning up a lot in the next few years. Huizenga, especially, has been doing some of the best art-comics I've seen recently (his piece in the forthcoming Kramers Ergot 5 anthology is amazing).

Chrissie, can you give us a couple of pointers to your taste in comics--stuff you've really really liked in the past?

Douglas (Douglas), Sunday, 14 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

For myself, I dare not get too involved. I have been fighting enough of a war in my head over not being able to have the time/inclination to read/see/hear all that I want in other media for some years now, adding comics to it all -- especially when I have to fight the completely irrational feeling that everyone else seems to be able to keep up with literally everything and anything in those fields plus this one (I told you it was irrational) -- would cause me to seize up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The ACME Novelty Library of the last five years has surely been Kochalka's Sketchbook Diaries, which has launched what seem to be a zillion (web-based) imitators (including at least one friend of mine).

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 15 November 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I wouldn't like to categorise my preferences, to be honest. Sure, I like old comics. My nan bought me a Hulk reprint comic when I was little (she used to buy me all kinds of shit no one else would ;-)), and as that was SO unlike anything else I'd seen, it sparked an interest that Bambi somehow didn't.

Obviously, if I looked at them today, I'd think they were pretty awful. But it did make me look also at Kirby and Ditko, who I'll always have time for, and I still have some of their stuff around. I bought the Jimmy Olsen TPB a while back and it was terrific.

I don't think I'm especially mad about superhero stuff. Up to a certain point in my life, I'd still buy a few of those. It gets to be a habit. The Claremont/Byrne X-Men books were the best thing in the world when I was nine or ten, but one day I sat down and said, 'Why the hell am I still buying Byrne comics at the age of 25? Everything he's done in the last decade has been CRAP!' So that was that! I've hardly bought a comic since.

But since I'm trying to fiddle with the medium a bit myself (BTW, the URL above was erroneously my home page, and for comicsy stuff I should've pointed here), and fingers crossed it seems there might be professional activity related to comics on the horizon... I feel like there should be something out there to interest me.

Probably not superheroes, though.

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Monday, 15 November 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ignoring the "no superheroes" caveat, I have to say that the Whedon/Cassaday Astonishing X-Men is the first X-Book in a long, long time that is truly outstanding. For some reason, the dialogue tics that really irritated me on "Buffy" work much better in print.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

As one annoyed to no end by my encounters with such tics, do explain further (no, seriously).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that a lot of the issues I had with the Buffy dialogue can be put down to vocal inflections; reading the dialogue lets you assign whatever voices/inflections you want.

Also, Whedon is fantastic at doing group dynamics, possibly the best person at it ever to write an X-Book.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Also the dialogue is slightly more wordy than natural, but because you're reading it at your own speed rather than hearing it in realtime, it doesn't bother as much.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Interesting points both, hmm...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Bendis dialogue reads like Sports Night but sounds like Dawson's Creek if you read it out loud (I just noticed this when reading Fire), so I can totally see Whedon dialogue being significantly different, too.

(For that matter, there's a big gap between Buffy movie dialogue and Buffy show dialogue, even though they're pretty much the same on the page. In that case it's an issue of direction, I think.)

I kind of want to give early Claremont props on the group dynamics X-Men thing, without necessarily saying he was better at it than Whedon.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 15 November 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of want to give early Claremont props on the group dynamics X-Men thing, without necessarily saying he was better at it than Whedon.

Hence my use of "possibly". :-)

Joe Kelly was also fantastic, particularly when you consider that he probably had the roster with the most "WTF???" characters on it.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 15 November 2004 18:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I am looking forward to the Astonishing X-Men TPB, but it's not out until the end of December I think! Too long to wait! At least X-Statix vs. The Avengers is out soon!

X-Statix is the series I endorse.

jel -- (jel), Monday, 15 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I liked X-Statix when it first started (esp the O-Force story - heh) but it seemed to run out of steam after the Princes Diana/Not Princess Diana fiasco.

Mark C (Markco), Monday, 15 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The ... vs. Avengers arc & the last issue were a nice (albeit brief) return to form, in my mind.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 15 November 2004 21:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I almost started a THE FINAL ISSUE OF X-STATIX thread. Because it was 90% perfect.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What was the 10% that turfed?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

That it was only one issue, where it should've been a three issue mini -- at the minimum two.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

That last issue was magnificent and heartbreaking. I actually couldn't bring myself to buy it.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 14:20 (twenty-one years ago)

For whatever reason I never really started reading X-Statix, just an issue here and there. However, I did buy the last issue and teared up a little.

(I know, I really must read the trades)

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

X-Statix has finished? Oh man, that sucks :(

But probably a good thing, as I can't imagine a different creative team taking it anywhere.

jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Should I start an X-Statix finale thread?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why I posted that. Or why I'm posting this. BLARGH.

Chrissie, you should read Craig Thompson. Blankets is big deal, so is Goodbye, Chunky Rice too, though it gets lost in the Blankets shuffle.

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

To answer yr question, Lee - no, you should not start that or any comic-related threads here, especially since this is YOUR BOARD.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I was sure we had a last issue of X-Statix thread, but it looks like no.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure all this has persuaded me to read this X-Statix thing, anyway. (Might be a good book, but an effing horrible title...) ;-) But I think that applies to anything with spandex dudes in it. I think I've developed a bigotry. Ulp.

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

X-Statix is meta-spandex.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Recentish Spandex that Might Not Chafe: Planetary, X-Statix / X-Force (only when written by Peter Milligan), Top Ten, Astonishing X-Men, She-Hulk (written by Dan Slott)

Also, Tuomas' suggestion to check out the Best Comics Ever! poll is a good one.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Another problem is getting me to go into a comics shop. Those places are full of weirdos. :-) Oh, okay, there's ebay! Got myself there.

Been watching the Best Comics thread. Some interesting things in there and some rubbish. But I won't say which is which.

I'm somewhat interested in experimental uses of the medium. I try to be experimental myself -- possibly a risible aspiration and certainly not a way of getting a big audience -- and I suppose similarly strange applications might appeal to me. If a lot of people think it's uncool, it probably isn't. ;-) Um. Yes.

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Does "I don't really think I like what you like, and I don't want to be around people like you, but could you help me find what I want?" work out for you very often?

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd seriously recommend She-Hulk. The concept seems really lame, but it's a well-written funny book.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Why, Tep, is this board specifically about a particular kind of comics? I missed that bit. Oops.

But as to the question: notwithstanding that you're doing the thing I despise most in the world -- putting words in my mouth to make a non-existent point -- like, who cares? ;-)

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, my point is that you're an aggressively obnoxious mope who can't get through a post about anything without working some negative comment into it, and that it isn't a coincidence that this thread has garnered the fewest and vaguest recommendations of any of our several recommendation-driven threads, because your "comics pretty much suck, but SELL ME ON THEM, FREAKOS!" attitude is fucking annoying and undoubtedly alienates other posters.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Miss that bit.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Well... someone's acting like an aggressively obnoxious mope on this thread, but I guess everyone will form their own view of that. :-)

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

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cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

chrissie maybe read 'like a velvet glove cast in iron' by dan clowes, also check out any issues of blood orange (various authors, you can order both of these from fantagraphics), i'm guessing you'll like it too.

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Tep, relax! Some people are Tigger and some people are Eeyore is all.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

some people are piglet, some people chew chiclets

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I would actually suggest Transmetropolitan and We3 at the moment. Maybe also 100 Bulletts.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

we3's pretty gory just so yknow

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 17 November 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)


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