DC's Ultimate: All-Stars

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DC ALL STARS
An exclusive preview of DC's exciting answer to Marvel's Ultimate line
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It looks like an Ultimate line. It smells like an Ultimate line. But when you actually get a taste of what DC Comics has in store this year, you might start craving the All-Star alternative.
Spearheaded by VP ExecutiveEditor Dan DiDio, DC shakes up the industry yet again by unleashing DC All-Stars -- a brand-new line of books seperate from their main line and dedicated to, in DiDio's words "All-star writer and all-star artists working on all-star characters to tell an all-star comic story"
Fill in those blanks, and you'll get the first major ongoing launch from the line this June. Jim Lee, the superstar artist behind Batman's record breaking "Hush" storyline, returns to Gotham City on All-Star Batman & Robin (DC remianed secretive about the book's writer at press time.) Later in 2005, look up in the sky for All-Star Superman #1, created by critically acclaimed collaborators Grant Morrison and Frank Qutiely of New X-Men and JLA:Earth 2.
According to DC, these books define what All-Stars is all about: giving the best creators in the business access to the biggest characters in the DCU -- and then watching the titles fly off the rack.
I CAN'T BELIEVE ITS NOT ULTIMATE
For years, fans have anxiously awaited DC's version of Marvel's successful Ultimate line of books launched in 2000, while Marvel consistently crowds the top10 sellers list with titles like Ultimate Spider-Man.
All-Stars takes aim at Marvel by twisting the idea of an "Ultimate" story into something that preserves the long history of the DC Universe and also presents brand-new, not re-interpreted, tales.
And, contrary to speculation, the All-Stars books will not create a new or alternate continuity like the "Ultimate" books do, but will instead contain stories told in present day but utilizing what could be described as timeless, iconic, Pre-Crisis versions of the DCU's top characters. Just don't expect any dated, cornball flavor associated with the Silver Age of comics.
"These are the versions of characters that everyone who is a civilian would know and recognize immediately," says Jim Lee. "I think Marvel's Ultimate line goes a little further in terms of changing things. We're not going to do a new origin of Btamn where he's got two brothers. It's not that. There should be some other creative hook, and I think this is really a cool one"
Still, All-Star books won't neccesarily worry themselves by beginning with drawn-out origin sagas either -- the modus operandi starts and ends with telling a good story.
To really grasp the concept of DC All-Stars, DiDio points to Alan Moore's 1986 Superman two-parter "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" - contained in Superman $423 and Action Comics #583 - a Silver Age-style long considered to be one of the greatest Superman stories of all time. DC states that Moore's story is the model for what its trying to accomplish with All-Stars, and cites the way the fabel takes nearly 50 years of Superman lore and gives it a fresh and contemporary spin exciting for both first-time and long-time readers.
The idea is to present a line of comics that's instantly accessible using the core concepts that made the characters successful.
"It's funny, when I first came onto these books, Batman and Superman, they had already changed a lot of the status quo," says Lee. "Things I really associated with the characters were no longer there - like the Fortress of Solitude and the giant penny in the Batcave. And yes, it seems hokey, but I still think you can pull it off today. It's all in the presentation. I think the more you get away from that stuff, the less interesting [the characters] become."
BEST OF THE BEST
The caliber of characters and creators attached to this line gives All-Stars and amazing potential for success, but DiDio makes it clear that, as tempting as it may be, he nevere intends to flood the market with All-Star titles. The company plans to take its time and get the stories right while actively pursuing the best talent to make it happen.
"I think DC is doing it smart by not doing eight books at once," says Lee. "But obviously, it always comes down to the stories and how well you tell them. If people love the idea and pick up the book and say 'Ugh, this doesnt do anything for me' then you're sunk."
In many ways the new line will replace DC's "Prestige Format", as All-Stars will strive to become and exclusive club of sorts where only DC's most well-known characters (sorry, Gentleman Ghost), and comic's most talented writers and artists need apply.
"All-Satrs is all about delivering on the expectations of the characters," says DiDio. "These will be versions of the characters that people expect to read if they havent read a Superman or Batman comic in a while. These are the things they'll want to see, and this is us delivering to the fans exactly what they want in a great format with great talent so they can truly enjoy the characters they know and love. Simple as that."

Huk-L, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

So does this mean that the regular stories will feature second-rate talent?

Huk-L, Tuesday, 21 December 2004 18:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, this is great. I'm so happy that Morrison/Quitely Superman will be a reality.

Matthew Perpetua (Matthew Perpetua), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm all for Morrison on anything, but Huk's got a point. It reads like "we're just fucking around on all the other stuff, but we're actually going to try and make these good!"

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Wasn't Morrison going on in an interview a few months ago about how "definitive take" superheroes were the 'in thing' and he didn't like it because it left you nowhere to go?

The old slyboots.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

This sounds really, really awesome.
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/AS/AllStarSuperman_Morrison.htm

Huk-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha, you're right Tom, he was saying EXACTLY that. I'd like to think he has something up his sleeve though.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

That GM interview was the best XMas present a geek could ever get.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I am boggling at my complete and utter non-desire to read this.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

An evolved dinosaur who is dictator of a civilization at the centre of the earth doesn't interest you?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 22 December 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Not if it involves Superman.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never been interested in Superman before either, I just want to read all the GM books I can get my hands on no matter what characters they involve.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Superman is a like a gigantic testicle; almost impossible to ignore, yet completely uninteresting to me.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 December 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(haha I guess upon reflection there really isn't anything you can say to that, is there?)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Gigantic testicles C/D

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 23 December 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Yay, Superman-talk, I needed an excuse to post this:

http://www.comics.org/graphics/covers/97/400/97_4_0000101.jpg

Chris Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 23 December 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Superman is my all-time favourite superhero, and since by now Grant is my favourite ever superhero writer, I could hardly be more excited.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 December 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Remember on one or several threads where I was all "I don't see what the big deal is about GM on JLA!"?
After reading two issues of JLA: Classified, I get it. (Though surely, Ed McGuinness is the most perfect penciller for GM's lunacy, though Porter might be more up to it now [see his current work on the Flash])

Huk-L, Sunday, 26 December 2004 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Probably only Huk will be pleased about this, but hooray!

Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Sunday, 26 December 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, having read the article now, it sounds a bit iffy

Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Sunday, 26 December 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I saw that in the new Wizard. (hey, I was bored, I was downtown, I wanted something I could take into a bar and read while I drank beer alone) Also Dan Slott (of She-Hulk) is going to follow Kurt Busiek's current arc on JLA!

Huk-L, Monday, 27 December 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Good fucking god! Frank Miller is writing All-Star Batman!
http://www.newsarama.com/DC/AS/AS_Batman.htm

Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Almost as cool...Jim Lee says he'll be using watercolors over his pencils. Well, that might be cool.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I have real misgivings about this. I mean obviously it's not a good idea, but it's possible that if the modern Frank Miller returns to Batman, the sucking could actually damage the regard for his earlier, great, work.

No, wait, that already happened four years ago. Why is he back?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Because nobody remembers 4 years ago!

The thing that bothers me is that the All Stars line is supposed to be the "Fun" version of the characters, and while Y1, DKR and DKSA had their moments (DKSA has a lot of fun moments, but has even more colossally shitbaggy moments) and when I think of fun Batman, I don't think of Frank Miller.
The Pulse is reporting that Englehart, Rogers & Austin are returning to Batman this spring though! That will be fun.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not explicitly the 'fun' versions, is it? It's the 'public icon' versions - the stuff Joe Doesn't-Read-Comics thinks of when he thinks of Batman. And that means Robin but it also (or so DC presumably thinks) means a Tim Burton-style darker Batman, which is a post-Miller version anyhow.

Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Good point, but why would they try to make a mass-appeal comic and not have it be fun?

Huk-L, Thursday, 6 January 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Perhaps a "serious" definitive take would sell more, at least with Batman? At least we don't have to worry about that with Grant.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

At this stage, very few people look at Batman and think "Oooh! Wacky fun!" Even the camptastic "Batman And Robin" was filmed on a palette of darkness.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 6 January 2005 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I only hope Frank Miller has the balls to rewrite the scene where Batman gives Robin a birthday spanking.

Huk-L, Thursday, 6 January 2005 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

A PALETTE OF DARKNESS

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

ON SALE AT WAL-MART FOR $.99 / PHOTON

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

ihttp://www.comic.eck24.de/images/TDARK26.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh dear I've scarred the thread.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

That lady is wearing my couch :(

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...
Well, what do we have here?

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 19 February 2005 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Also of note.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 19 February 2005 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Though the first link I posted is U&K. And gorgeous, if I do say so myself.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 19 February 2005 22:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, you should be very proud. The Batman & Robin, I'm not so sold on.

Huk-L, Monday, 21 February 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not keen on the superman one either, Kal-El? More like Chin-El. I have never really liked Quitely's art though...

Mark C (Markco), Monday, 21 February 2005 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem -- well, at least the hitch -- with the Batman one is that all the language they're using to describe the All-Star idea, "timeless," "iconic," focusing on the elements the general public knows, etc., has applied to the main Batman titles for the last fifteen years. That's been the default take, if you add in a large supporting cast and ignore the couple years around Knightstuff -- it's hard to see how the All-Star one is going to be an alternative to that at all, or a change from it, other than being "a Batman title written by Frank Miller that doesn't cross over with the other Batman titles."

Not that there's anything wrong with "a Batman title written by Frank Miller that doesn't cross over with the other Batman titles," but it's hard to get excited about it, especially since it's still in main DCU continuity and he'll be -- indirectly, if not directly -- bound by the mandates of the Bat-offices.

The Superman one makes a lot more sense -- there hasn't been a consistent take on Superman since Crisis, and the material is very messy; Superman's been governed by more of a red Kryptonite mentality -- "what can we do to Superman this time?" vs the "what can Batman overcome this time?" engine of the Bat-titles. There's more noise to filter out there.

Tep (ktepi), Monday, 21 February 2005 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

also i really like the incredibly chill version of superman that morrison was talking about in that one interview

dave k, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

five months pass...
For some reason I'd forgotten that Frank Quitely was drawing the insides as well as the covers of All-Star Superman. I am officially completely geeked out for this.

Also I found this, which contains stuff from the Newsarama interview and more:

http://theages.superman.ws/History/allstar/

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 5 August 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

I'm probably the only person that had no problem w/ the first issue of All-Star Trapeze Artists Dying On The Ground Stuff (Featuring Batman And Half-Naked Vicki Vale).

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Well, if it had actually been called that...

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 5 August 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Dave, I'm this close to calling you a Frank Miller fan! </kettle>

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 5 August 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

so did these turn out good in the end?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Shit I'm kind of a Miller fan. I even think that DK2 is OK. Though I could never finish reading it, so it's probably more of a "hey this wasn't that abject!" thing.

Shame on me?

iodine (iodine), Friday, 5 August 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
did all-star superman come out yet? i'm excited about this!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

One more month!!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

i don't wanna wait

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

so what did people think of batman?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

BRUTALLY. BRUTALLY. Brutal.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)


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