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David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Seven Soldiers, Y, Walking Dead. And coffee.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

BLOOD OF THE DEMON #2 (this is just to say that the preview art looked very good, in light of what JB's done recently, or perhaps, dare I say it, away from such light) (though he seems to be in full-on grimy seedy tentacled-monster mode, which never did a thing for me) (cf. all that Master nonsense in Alfalfa Flight) (& the thing Superman kills after he pornos Big Barda) (yeah, I'm the only one that cares)

DETECTIVE COMICS #805
INTIMATES #6 (MR)
LEX LUTHOR MAN OF STEEL #2 (OF 5)
LOSERS #22 (MR)
SEVEN SOLDIERS ZATANNA #1 (OF 4)
Y THE LAST MAN #32 (RES) (MR)

SEA OF RED #1 (MR)
WALKING DEAD #17 (MR)

GLA #1 (OF 4)
INCREDIBLE HULK #80
MARVEL TEAM-UP #7 (MOON KNIGHT WOO!)
SHANNA THE SHE DEVIL #3 (OF 7)
ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR #17
ULTIMATE SPIDER-MAN #75

COMICS JOURNAL #267 (mmmmaybe; I just bought the HUGE $25 CJ special, focusing primarily on manga [not enough for my taste] & Vaughn Bode [way too much for the same taste], & might give the Official Rag a shot)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Am I right in saying that you really did have to be born at a certain time and smoking the right things to like Vaughan Bode even slightly?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I am thinking so, Tom.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 April 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Nothing for me this week. That's kind of a relief, actually.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)

Seven Soldiers, that's it. When is the next Fables coming out?

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

Mad About the 90s!

Huk-L, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what it is about The Losers. It's the one comic I seriously pine for every month until it comes out.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

Okay, so Zatanna is not a friend I would like to have.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't all that impressed with Zatanna. The 'metaphysical journey' part of the story seemed the sort of thing that Grant Morrison probably can write while watching tv, before his morning coffee. The art was really nice though, and I'm looking forward to the other issues.

Everything else I read last night was fantastic though - Y (hott!), Oceans (the 'Doors' computer corporation, har har), Walking Dead, Astonishing X-Men (with a very Morrisonish concept, it seems), and Runaways #2.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

The layouts in Zatanna were the standout thing; the story itself wasn't really that interesting.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, those were great.

Speaking of art, there still aren't backgrounds as such in Astonishing, but there IS that fantastic splash page of Hell/the Danger Room!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 April 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Okay, can someone quickly explain to me who Zantanna is, back-story wise? So I won't feel like a dummy when I read the comic and nothing makes sense.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

You don't really need to know anything about Zatanna; I knew nothing about her and the comic still made sense to me.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Here is what I know about Zatanna:

- silver age character, member of JLA for a bit, has magic powers
- well known for wearing fishnets and saying spells backwards
- daughter of Golden Age wizard Zatara who got killed in an Alan Moore Swamp Thing. He also did the backwards thing; the fishnets, less so.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

There are howls of protest on the DC boards from Zatanna fans who aren't buying the other 7S books so it seems likely to me that recent continuity is being ignored.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

From this page, which has fantastic early 90s pixel versions of Zatanna and Zatara:

"Giovanni "John" Zatara was born on March 10, 1919. Descended from a long line of magicians and mystics, Zatara also became a powerful mage. At the age of fifteen, he receives a box of magic tricks from his grandfather, and began practicing stage magic. (DC Special Blue Ribbon Digest #5, Secret Origins #27) Using only his last name, he became a stage magician and crime fighter and debuted early in the Golden Age of heroes. He was a contemporary of the likes of Dr. Occult and Sargon. (Action #1) He occasionally teamed up with other mystics, and during World War II, he also joined the super-hero community in the All-Star Squadron. (All-Star Squadron #59)

Thirty years ago, Zatara met Sindella of the Homo magi race in Turkey. They relocated to America and their daughter, Zatanna, was born within a year. Several months later, Sindella faked her death in a car crash to spare Zatanna from being captured by the Homo magi. (Justice League of America #164)

Zatanna also had a romantic relationship with John Constantine, which began when they first studied magic together. As Zatanna was still a teenager, Zatara always disapproved of this union; he felt his daughter deserved a better, smarter, more heroic man than Constantine. They broke up following an incident in Newcastle, where he destroyed the demon, Nergal with the help of three Angels. After this, Constantine was committed to a mental asylum.

When she was only eighteen years old, Zatanna's father was cursed by an evil elemental known Allura. Since the nature of Allura's curse was such that both Zatanna and Zatara would die if the two ever set eyes on one another again, Zatara decided to leave Earth and travel among various mystical realms in order to protect his daughter. When she noticed her father was missing, however, Zatanna began a lengthy search for him. With the help of the Justice League, Zatanna finally located her father in the mystic dimension of Kharma and helped Allura's heroic counterpart to force her evil twin to remove the curse. (#51)

Zatanna teamed with the JLA several more times (#87, 100) before becoming a member. She joined after helping the JLA battle the War lock of Ys, one of Green Lantern's old nemeses, (Justice League of America #161) and remained a member until just before the Martian Manhunter dissolved the Justice League after Professor Ivo began systematically murdering its members. (#257)

Eventually, Zatanna went in search of her mother as well. She discovered the hidden Homo magi society, who had enslaved Sindella. Sindella committed suicide to destroy in order to save Zatanna from the same fate. (#162-165)

It is said that Zatanna is made up of pure magic, and she is considered one of the most formidable mages on the planet. For a time, she lost a great deal of this power (#191) Just before she left the JLA, Zatanna mystically merged with the "Godhead," the collective consciousness of all beings, living and dead. She believed that this event would change her life forever. Perhaps it did; when she next appeared, it appeared that her magical abilities were back at full strength. (World's Finest #277, Spectre v.2 #7)

Zatanna and her father were part of a large collection of Earth's sorcerers assembled by John Constantine to battle the primordial Shadow Creature that threatened Heaven itself, a battle which cost Zatara his life. (Swamp Thing #50) Zatanna blamed Constantine for Zatara's death and the two parted bitterly. Zatanna also aided the Spectre against the alien sorcerer known as Wotan, (Spectre #7) and battled Felix Faust along side Dr. Mist. (Secret Origins #27)

Zatanna now operates on the fringes of the metahuman world. Although she has returned to active JLA duty, she has occasionally acted in reserve capacity, and she was appointed liaison between the JLA and the Sentinels of Magic. (JLA #68, JLA: Black Batptism #4) She craves the limelight and has built a successful national stage show. At times, she still encounters Constantine, but it is clear that they are now just friends. (Books of Magic v.1, Zatanna: Everyday Magic)

Zatara and Zatanna descend from a distinguished line of ancestors including: Leonardo da Vinci; Nicholas Flamel (who is still alive [JLA Annual #2]; Nostradamus; Cagliostro (a.k.a. Joseph Balsamo, Guiseppe Balsamo, also still alive); Luigi Zatara (grandfather of Zatara) and Evan Fulcanelli (unknown relationship to Zatara, described as an "uncle" of Zatanna, deceased).


NOTES: The exact date of Zatara's debut is subject to debate. His origin was first told in DC Special Blue Ribbon Digest #5 (March 1980), which cites November 14, 1938. The History of the DC Universe #1 confirms the year. Later, Secret Origins #27 retold the origin using the date September 1, 1939.

Exactly when Zatanna regained her powers is debatable. They were back in World's Finest #277 (3.82). But the letter column of JLofA #260 (3.87) claims she got them back in Swamp Thing #50 (7.86). The Justice League Sourcebook states that they returned in JLofA #257.

Zatara also appeared in a pre-Crisis Earth-1 tale where he met the young Clark Kent at age 3 (New Adventures of Superboy #14, 2.81) and later as Superboy (age 16, #49, 1.84) "

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Also, she and her fishnets were on Batman: The Animated Series!!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

There are howls of protest on the DC boards from Zatanna fans who aren't buying the other 7S books so it seems likely to me that recent continuity is being ignored.

What recent continuity? She was in JLA: Obsidian Age, and then there's that IC stuff, where nothing major happened. And she was in a Flash IC tie-in that was no big whoop, continuity-wise.
Whatever "recent continuity" DC nurds think is being betrayed exists only their jerk-off fantasies.

Huk-L, Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)


http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?threadID=2000018817&tstart=0

"I'm supporting Zee, not Morrison, which is why I'm not wasting my money on the rest of this silly Seven Soldiers fiasco. Zatanna is an extremely interesting character, she's lovable, fun, powerful, and she's so cool. She deserves better treatment and if by buying a horrible limited series by a horrible writer it can be shown that she is more popular than DC originally believed, then I'm all for it. The whole thing is rather silly since the Vertigo Zee one shot, Zatanna: Every Day magic sold very well, so why they are letting morrison destroy this character is beyond me, but she needs to come back regularly in some title! That's why I buy it. And it'll only be 3 more lousy issues instead of the whole 38 that some people are going to waste their money on."

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

This is my first visit to the DC boards actually. The favourite question I've seen so far is the gloriously naive

"Why CAN'T Captain Marvel be the flagship character for DC?"

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 April 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I HATE ANY AND ALL FANS

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Which means I hate myself. Figures.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Z.E.B.R.A - the Zatanna Escalation Brigade and Reclamation Association

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Wow, thanks guys!

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

The best thing about the DC boards (which I visit regularly as handsomish, btw), is that sometimes creators post there, and you can tell them that Deadshot looks like a douchebag in his new costume. The worst thing is that a lot of the posters are fucknards.

Huk-L, Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

J0rdan, wrong thread!

Create Your Own H3AT!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

'The Man' by Vaughan Bode is a beautiful and simple story of a Caveman that isn't the least bit druggy or hippy-flattering - some Revenant-type comics co. shld reissue this little gem of an Underground

Bode was always REALLY popular w/ UK graffiti artists/taggers

Andrew J L, Thursday, 7 April 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

So I just clicked on the new Green Lantern Limits thread and the first lines are "In the latest issue of Green Lantern..." which I haven't read yet. (i'm trying out this whole avoiding spoiling comics before I read them after last week)
I'm really dying to read it, but I can't. I won't.

Huk-L, Thursday, 7 April 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

haha, well i haven't seen the issue or anything, but it doesn't seem like a big spoiler; that thread is a philosophical question about what a gl can do with the ring (eg can he make his own battery?)

dave k, Thursday, 7 April 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Zatanna was a bit low-key, but decent enough -- consistent at least, with, uh, Garth Ennis's writing of her -- although actually caring about her continuity is one shade too hardcore-nerd-fan for me. (Maxwell Lord still rankles, though.

Anyone read the end of the S/B alterna-timeline story? Strikes me the whole coulda been done in three issues, but it's been pretty fun. (First person panels still v. annoying, though.)

Also, no one's mentioned the excellent GLA, the increasingly overlong GL: Rebirth (sorry, Huk), or -- best of all! -- that fantastically piss-poor painting of Hal Jordan in DC model adverts this week. Nice ringlets.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 7 April 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

Zatanna would have seemed a lot better if I'd never read an issue of Promethea.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 April 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)

So, wait, I had been under the impression that each Seven Soldiers character would only get one issue each, but these issues all look like they're the beginnings of new series individually. Is it like a multiple mini-series thing where their plots will keep growing together, or is there just going to be a morrisony jump-cut to a resolution? I guess I'm just confused cause I don't remember reading about the intended scope in terms of numbers of issues of the project.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

Each of the mini series is four issues long.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 April 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

There's a schedule in each of them, I think, they'll make sense individually, and if you read them all, more stray bits will gain significance. I don't think any of them require knowledge of the others except the big closer.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 April 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

Judging from the preview blurbs in back, the enemies in Shining Knight are the same as in Zatanna, so it looks like they're going to start tying together pretty quickly.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Btw, I don't about y'all, but I think I could have done without five pages of Matrix Online ads this week.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Zatanna would have seemed a lot better if I'd never read an issue of Promethea.

That Promoethea stuff went on a bit, didn't it?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it was one of those titles that I was pleasantly surprised that it found an audience, although I suspect the audience was imported (IE heard about it elsewhere, bought every issue, then fecked off).

I loved it, but then I have a high tolerance for bollocks, and for Alan Moore's intricate clockwork.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 April 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

i didn't make me go 'omg omg omg' as much as the first two but i still liked it alot. it seems to be aiming for 'promethea + alias' and would maybe come alot closer to this if it didn't have to devote so much to the overarching story (this one definitely explains the most on that front by far) and maybe if it wasn't a big mainstream dc comic where they're just not going to be nearly as willing to delve into the mystical/philosophical (promethea) or the harrowing personal/psychological (alias). of course it could settle down into an unconventional conventional comic by the next issue, which truth be told might be something morrison's alot better at anyhow. i liked the dead redhead's appearance here - condescending to zatanna, dropping at the end she had a major team gig, in ss#0 condescending to the group, namedropping zatanna. the assortment of superheros at group reminded me of top ten too.

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

meanwhile, highlight of the week - HOT HOT HOT THEN THEY ALL LEZZED UP IN Y THE LAST MAN

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

I know, I can't believe that they managed to put off the inevitable lezzing up for 31 issues!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Good things come to those who wait. And wait. And wait. And wait. And then do s'more waiting. (& I'm talking about the release schedule of Y, not the lezzing.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Isn't the story arc titled "G!rl on G!rl"?

Huk-L, Friday, 8 April 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

Dave, has Y really been flaky on the release schedule? Seems like it comes out all the time.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

No pun intended.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

HOTT

I think it's been pushed back a little here & there - nothing prolonged, but maybe a few weeks' off, occasionally. I was kinda goofing w/ that post, of course.

BTW, the cover to the 2nd part of this storyline is TEH HOTTNEZZ.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

did yorick get laid yet?

tom west (thomp), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

He got laid a few issues ago with a girl with the same name as his girlfriend, so it's almost like not cheating, right?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

He got some from a PRIEST(ess)!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Hang on, wait, these Zatanna people:

"I HATE Morrison's nonsense SO MUCH that I'm going to buy four issues of him, in my estimation, warping my favourite character into some hateful harlot of harriden-ness!!!"

Is that supposed to make sense? Or is it a form of BACKWARDS VOODOO OMG

Vic Fluro, Friday, 8 April 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

haha

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 8 April 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

wth

j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 8 April 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

sthu

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 8 April 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

So, um, Superman/Batman #18, even more blatantly heralding the return of the multiverse than S/B #6's "There will be a reckoning...a crisis!"

Especially since "reckoning" sounds so much like "retconning", at least the haughty way Luthor says it.

Huk-L, Monday, 11 April 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

"There will be a rack-&-pinion steering..."

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

"first there was Hawk and Dove! Then Cloak and Dagger! now Rack and Pinion!!! a stripper and pro wrestler team up to fight crime and be sexxxyyy!"

Mark C (Markco), Monday, 11 April 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

I bought GLA at lunch! But they didn't have that Image vampire pirates book. :(

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 April 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

GLA was hi-larious. And also very dark, the character I liked best got killed in the first issue.

I also read the new Phil Jiminez solo book, Otherworlds or whatever. Sort of muddled, overly serious and a little pretentious, but very pretty to look at.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Otherworld is VERY pretty - I love PJ's stately take on George Perez's style. I found myself more interested in the real-world character interactions more than the magical foofery, though. Any page that featured lots of high-falutin' fantasy cant I skimmed yadda-yadda style.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

It seemed like he was trying to cram everything he thought would be cool to write about into one book - politics, hip college kids with their sex and their indie bands, epic fantasy, robots, etc.. That sounds great of course, but maybe a little much for the first issue?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but I'm OK w/ an initial overload. Though (SHOCKER ALERT) I was most interested in the 2nd item you listed than w/ anything else.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

AARGH SEXY SPOILERS.

Bibbo Batman (Leee), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Though (SHOCKER ALERT) I was most interested in the 2nd item you listed than w/ anything else.

Haha, read one indie comic?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

My interest in that topic is boundless. Also, show me one indie comic with hottt hippie girls drawn like PJ done dood it. SIP fans, please do not post lest I get all up in your grill w/ the hot coals.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)


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