WHICH 808 STATE STUFF SHOULD I BUY

perhaps Prebuild and new reissue of old New Order acid mixes, haven't heard them yet.

avoid most else.

While there, get Voodoo Ray by A Guy Called Gerald.

Before 808 State Graham Massey was in Biting Tounges.

and before Biting Tounges Graham Massey was in Danny and the Dressmakers.

You don't get more N0IZE then Danny and the Dressmakers.

Their most famous song = "Please Mr. Rickenbacher (Don't Make Another Bass Guitar)"

btw I think Jon should get one of the Ivan Smagghe comps, for sure.

otherwise:

http://threelobed.com/bardo/discography/discosucks_front.jpg

BUT i don't sit around obsessing about dance music. Most of it is mindless trash. Which is fine; it sure sounds great on the dancefloor. But, like, I don't get all ROCKIST about it and TRAINSPOTTER about it and COLLECT and OBSESS about the RECORDS. I mean , that would just be horribly ROCKIST behavior -- to do those types of things. ANd I just don't roll that way. I just, you know, use the music in the manner it was intended -- go out to a club, house music all night long, let's dance, come home, pour myself a nightcap, slap on a copy of Song For Biko or Unhalfbricking or Let It Bleed or Sketches of Spain. Because that music is a helluva lot more enjoyable than more mindless BADGER BADGER BADGER when I'm chilling at the crib.

It's very simple. I use dance music the way it was intended, and I very much enjoy it while doing so. But I keep that sphere of my life separate from my more involved listening sessions. Easy peasy.

So, you need to try again, Dan.

i am. i think i love you.

Current listening: NOTHING! I need to decide what to listen to. I've alread listened to Abba and the Beach Boys. I was thinking U2 next, but I think I need something heavier. maybe Aerosmith or some shit like that.

umm,, wtf are you talking about? I made a joke about someone saying Disco Sucks on a thread asking about 808 State! Who was talking about being obsessive and trainspotting and being rockist and all that shit?

For the record, I only listen to dance music when I'm at dance clubs as well. I seriously don't take well to people attributing arguments to me that I'm simply not making.

on the flipside, much of the dance music I listen to stands up to as much involved listening as any non-dance music I own, but that's another argument for another time.

But I'm suprised you'd have such a negative idea about dance music's place outside of the club, being named after a radio dj and all...

But that's not to say that I don't laugh at the defensiveness of people that are largely identified with the dance scene, when they hurl insults that are similar to your dance/girls comment. I mean, that's the thing -- at that level of dance obsessiveness, there's no fucking difference between a guy who collects original KMS 12"s and a guy who collects the whole Polvo discog. Big whoop. The average person on the street doesn't know what the fuck EITHER party is talking about. I just like tweaking the dance contingent on ILM; a little piss-taking, as our British friends like to say, can't hurt. And the fact of the matter is, dance music IS produced primarily to be consumed on the dancefloor! That's just the way it is! So yeah, when people take it out of that context and obsess about it, it strikes me as no different than, i dunno, 'Dylanology' or any other kind of rockist strawman you wanna create.

But it's all good, my friend. Hopefully we can hang out and shoot the shit sometime. Maybe if I come to Phil's shindig. If I can actually get some $$ together, that is. (and by the way, next time you see K3v1n B@rk3r, tell him Rob in Chicago says hi!!)

I've always been a big supporter of this idea, that's why I have no idea why you'd start randomly attributing opposing ideas to me. And if you think I'm "largely identified with the dance scene" or I'm "a guy who collects KMS 12"s" as opposed to the whole Polvo discog, you've been selectively reading ILM. If anything, if people have any idea who I am, I'm usually thought of as a DIY Punk/Post-punk obsessive first and foremost. Not saying that's the truth, just the perception.

To reiterate, in a discussion about which 808 State records are the best, 2 people came on and made jokes about disco SUCKING. So I made a joke about them being bitter because girls won't dance with them. You then attributed a world of opinions that are completely opposite to everything I've ever said to me, so I have to respond. Your response didn't seem to be in the same tone of "fun", and as you said, wasn't based on anything concrete anyway.

Don't you love it how ILM dudes are always more on top of things than everyone else? This comment appears in ANY thread about electroclash and in response to any post about electroclash.

ALL MUSIC IS DANCE MUSIC / ALL MUSIC IS NOISE

But sure it's dance music. You can totally dance to it. In that "I am on mushrooms and swaying in an artificial breeze" kinda way.

Merrick is local to Austin and is quite a DJ. Beyond that he is a great producer and runs Tektite. Tektite is a techno label that has an emphasis on the floor but still makes tracks that are at home in your living room. Merrick is partially responsible for unleashing Stewart Walker onto the world.

Dan's suggestions will do you nicely

but get the Optibuk DVD if you wanna see the videos and cool concert footage

and the Don Solaris album has some good tracks - esp. 'Bond' (featuring Doughty of Soul Coughing) 'Azura' (the Dillinja mix still kix), 'Bird', 'Balboa'...not at all clubby tho, and the song ft Manics dude is crapola

if you can download get the tracks from '90' not on the US version (esp. Sunrise - unless that IS on it, can't remember) and 'Plan 9', 'Ski Family', 'Repa Repo' (very Carl Craig), 'Marathon' and the remix of John Hassell's 'Voiceprint' is nice in an ambient Detroit-lite way

i started with gorgeous then got ex el and then finally utd state 90 which i just ordered again and havnt gotten yet but anything after now sounds too commercial so i may go backwards to newbuild and prebuild.

PACIFIC 4 LIFE

newbuild is what's up