Wondering about knives and pots/pans preferences

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Curious what brand people think is best for knives and pots/pans. I currently use Calphalon and Henkels but am getting married this year and want to update our kitchen.

Jene OKeefe, Monday, 13 February 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a pan thread: Sticky pans
Here's a knife thread: Knives

I've got a mix of Henckels and Wustof and generic knives and a mix of stainless (Revereware I think), cast iron, and Calphalon non-stick pans, as well as two Le Creuset pieces which are my current darlings. Different materials cook different things better/worse.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

At the risk of reiterating, my knives are Globals, I've yet to get round to buying good pans (I only ever use two or three, anyway), though my preferred of the ones that I have are some lovely old one-piece ones a friend gave us, as I can just sling them in the oven and not worry about it.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

I use Henckels 4-Star knives, Wolfgang Puck Signature Collection stainless and some fairly generic (but good and heavy) nonstick skillets for things like omelettes. Plus assorted odds & ends. I like the Puck stainless set a lot. They had a crazy sale on QVC when he first came out with the line, something like 17 pieces for $140.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...
Do you think using posh knives makes any difference? I do know people who insist they won't cook without a posh knife. Personally, I care more about the food. When you're cooking in a kitchen that is crumbling around you, knives don't seem to make much difference.

hobart paving (hobart paving), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

B-but good tools make work easier, and safer. I care more about the food too, but the food tastes better if it wasn't a pain in the ass to prepare.

I will commence to drop a knowledge bomb. (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

The better condition your knife is, the easier it is to prepare the food. This doesn't necessarily mean a posh knife but in fairness stuff like that is generally more, uh, "endurance-full."

Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Thursday, 6 July 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

You really only need one good chef's knife--I like a 9-inch but others say 10. Keep it sharp and the only other thing you'll need are some cheap paring knives, which I treat as disposables when they get dull. Wusthof Grand Prix is my favorite. It really does add immesurably to my cooking enjoyment, to the extent that I got my sister-in-law one just I wouldn't have to open up a vein with her crappy knives. The times I've cut myself were with a dull knife.

quincie (quincie), Thursday, 6 July 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Quincie!

I just solved the perpetual dull-paring-knife problem with a ceramic paring knife by Kyocera, $25 and gigasharp and never ever goes dull. Is that posh of me?

Otherwise, Ally's right, you can keep a $10 knife sharp and usable but it'll require way more attention to do so than a $70 knife will. Really though most foods can be torn apart with your hands so owning any knife at all marks you as a rather frivolous type, I'd say.

Paul Eater (eater), Thursday, 6 July 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Dull knives add onto your cutting experience immeasurably. I was shocked by how quickly everything went once we got the global set. Granted perhaps the secret was to not use the old knife set to, say, hack open a stuck door and then attempt to use it to cut tomatoes...

A good chef's knife is an utmost necessity and I'd say a good butcher knife too.

Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Thursday, 6 July 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto also a pair of good, heavy, professional saucepans.

Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't Chris (or somebody else) using a Japanese knife set a while ago? I'd be curious to know more about that…

Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Thursday, 6 July 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting this thread's come up, as there was an article on knives in the epicure section of the Age I was reading yesterday. All the pro chefs opinions were that Wusthof Trident is the preferred brand for them - they're quite pricey but I imagine one good knife would do you.

I have a Mundial 10" knife which was great but I foolishly chucked it in the rough and tumble of the big utensil drawer without a sleeve or anything - ouch - now it is all nicked and dull. I suppose I could get it ground and resharpened but it'd need so much it would probably unbalance it. So I might invest in a Wusthorf perhaps.

The article also bigged up Mundial, Global, Furi (I dont know if Furi are maybe only australian?) and some v fancy mega sharp Japanese knife called Shun.

They dissed ceramic knives as too easily chipped/too brittle, but also pointed out that in Aus we cannot get the special sharpening tools needed for ceramics (god knows why).

http://www.theage.com.au/news/epicure/the-cut-above/2006/07/03/1151778841791.html?page=fullpage

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 7 July 2006 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

Alton Brown shills for Shun. They look great, but I can't go $132 for a 10" chef's knife. I'd like to try ceramic, and that paring knife Paul linked to looks like just the ticket. My paring knife is the hardest one to get sharp and keep honed.

I will commence to drop a knowledge bomb. (Rock Hardy), Friday, 7 July 2006 01:18 (nineteen years ago)

I just buy those cheap plastic handle paring knives you can find at all kitchen/homeware stores. They're nice and sharp for about oh, 3 months? But because they're only about $5 you just turf it and get another one.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 7 July 2006 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

A good chef's knife is an utmost necessity and I'd say a good butcher knife too.

They both make a real difference. It was so much quicker and easier to cut and prep things once I got good knives.

I bake a lot, so I'm thinking of finally getting a good bread knife though.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Friday, 7 July 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Should I really try to sharpen my knives myself? I use a steel regularly, but for the sharpening I've generally taken them to the hardware store. But I have to leave them there for a couple of days and I can't seemed to be bothered to have it done quite as often as I'd like.

I'm scared to fuck up my edges, basically. Although this would give me an excuse to get a new knife with more--is 'rock' the word? I want to be able to rock the blade more than I can with my Wusthofs. Any recommendations

Oh and hi Paul!

quincie (quincie), Friday, 7 July 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I meant any recommendations??? What about those Santoku-style things? More rock?

quincie (quincie), Friday, 7 July 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

You can take them to Eastern Market and they'll do them for you while you wait, and you can buy delicious piggie products while on site. Or so I've heard, I'm too lazy to really do it much either and mine are brand new (errr, yeah, I've heard you should sharpen them before you ever first use them but UH screwed that one up already).

Allyzay will never stop making pancakes (allyzay), Friday, 7 July 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

A santoku (or, better, another Japanese design, like a deba) should rock decently, but so might, say, a 6" chef's knife if you're accustomed to a 9". I wouldn't think a Wusthof would be too too lacking in that regard though: the Germans put a nice curve on their designs. Maybe it's you and not the knife that needs to rock? Is your work surface at a good height?

I've gotten into sharpening with a Sharpmaker. It took a little getting used to, especially for bringing severely dull blades up to snuff, but now I have to keep an eye on my sharpening habit lest my knives become TOO sharp for casual kitchen use.

The other knife thread has lots of info/opinions about these subjects too.

Paul Eater (eater), Saturday, 8 July 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think part of my 'rocking' issue is the clearance between my hand gripping the handle and the cutting surface when the blade is resting parallel to the board. In this position I barely have room to rock back before my knuckles hit the board. So yeah, my technique may be the issue. The physics of knives are tricky! I feel that if I had a 'taller' knife with the right curve I could rock back further. I will check out the deba, thanks!

quincie (quincie), Saturday, 8 July 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you buy a cleaver I don't think you'll find a Japanese knife that gives you much more clearance than a 9" Wusthof. It could be a grip issue. Are your second knuckles pointing downward and hitting the board? Can you try holding the knife more like a paintbrush, gripping the blade with your forefinger and thumb and holding the handle with the remaining three fingers, so the flat part of your, um, medial phalanges is downwardmost, presenting less of an obstruction to the board?

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 9 July 2006 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

One plus of small-town living: I asked today at the butcher's if they do knife sharpening. Sure! Bring 'em in - NO CHARGE!

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 9 July 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

One plus? You are always dazzling us with talk of hand-reared chickens, cheap and wonderful asparagus, and heaven knows what else. Not to mention the looming promise of a smoker (any updates?) which is a bit of an impossibility in a Manhattan apartment.

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 9 July 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Boy, isn't that true - when we lived in a midrise in downtown Seattle, we felt lucky the landlord allowed us to keep our gas grill up on the roof. All the other tenants had access to it, which was problematic, but it was better than having no grill at all.

I had pretty good success turning that grill into a hot smoker a few weekends back. I'm getting ready to do sockeye salmon with a friend - he's got a little cool smoker that will handle 7 or 8 pounds of fish at a time, so we'll set up and tend it from deck chairs with copious quantities of mildly alcoholic and refreshing beverages in about a month.

I'm horribly torn between wanting to move back to Seattle (and the west side of the Cascades) and the various benefits of continuing to live here. One huge plus of our current situation - I have time to cook. If I make the changes I'm contemplating w/r/t work/location/etc, cooking opportunities revert to few and far between.

I probably shouldn't mention the cherry/apricot/berry bonus of living where such things are grown :) And also - the heart of Washington's wine country. (I can see now I really need to make a list of pros and cons...)

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 9 July 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Paul now that I think about it I kind of grip my knife like I'm trying to choke the shit out of it, which places my, uh, middle knuckles pointing down at the board. I will experiment with a more delicate grasp tomorrow.

Great stuff at the Dupont farmer's market today, and Ally and I are growing all manner of stuff in our community garden plots. I have way way way more swiss chard than I know what to do with, so suggestions there would be appreciated.

quincie (quincie), Monday, 10 July 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmm - chard!!

I just saute it chopped up in olive oil with garlic, a little chili oil, and some red pepper flakes. The leafy part makes a nice green in light soups, chopped and added at the very end of cooking.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 10 July 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

Quincie, that knife tutorial Paul links to in the other knife thread is really good. I always held knives the totally wrong way - all my fingers and thumb on the handle, which makes it really hard to control. That tutorial showed me where to position thumb and forefinger (either side of the blade, just above the handle) for not only better control but needing less force.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 10 July 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

I had a wonderful risotto the other night at a friend's house; apparently the only liquid involved was stock made from chard!

I typically separate the leaves from the stems, saute the leaves per Jaq above and meanwhile slow-simmer the stems in a little broth. I serve the leaves with dinner and then nibble the stems cold after midnight. Or toss stems with oil and garlic and roast at 450 for fifteen minutes.

Caldo verde made with chard is great too. Practice your knife grip on the chiffonade.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 10 July 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)


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