Tell me what's happening on "Gilmore Girls" a.k.a. The "Gilmore Girls" thread.

Gilmore Girls Spin-off!!!

I always seem to be away on Tues. nights these days.

I watch one and tape the other every tuesday. so there.

(I love how in the couple "Rory and Jess" you'd have no idea about the sex of either unless you watched the show -- I'd probably assume the names were sex-reversed!)

- Lane gets drunk & calls her mom on the phone to tell her EVERYTHING
- Rory & Jess have that li'l encounter in the bedroom
- Jess & Dean get into a big ol' fight after the encounter
- Lane's band plays "Fell In Love With a Girl"
- we learn that Dean's gf likes Matchbox 20 (which Jess scoffs, of course, edgy bastard that he is)

Also, Dean got engaged. Also, Lorelai & her mom are having a semi-major tiff. Also, Lorelai is jocking Luke & his new girlfriend. And did the inn burn down or something?, because there was mention made of it during that whole funeral thing.

- Lane has a band?
- What happened to Rory and Dean?
- Like has a girlfriend?
- Funeral?

And what the hell was / is the deal w/ that goose / football black eye he got a while ago?

Amateurist (can I call you Ama? Or how about Wrist?), in order to have your GG needs serviced efficiently, we're gonna need to know where you last left off, & then we can proceed.

Triscuit! I watch GG for the plot and snappy dialogue! (And that friend of Paris that used to be on _Undressed_.)

What happened to Undressed anyhow?

Nabs you are on crak. Alexis Bledel is like 21.

I hopped on board sometime after the whole thing w/ Lorelei & Rory's teacher fell apart (I think), or was that w/ Lorelei & Rory's father? Anyway, what I know of (up until the BIG party):

- Rory & Dean broke up @ a dance marathon, & the Rory / Jess rollercoaster started uphill. Jess starts working @ WalMart to make extra moolah (going so far as to skip high school to pick up extra shifts), shows up one day w/ a bruise that he lies to everyone about, and acts rather diffident & distant around Rory. Meanwhile, Dean hooks up w/ some quaint lass & shows up every so often to remind Rory of his goodguyness. Oh - because of Jess' WalMarting (& the absences accrued from this), he'll have to repeat 12th grade & can't go to the prom.
- Lane began clandestinely dating this guitar playing guy (Dave) & is now drumming in a cover band w/ Dave; no one knows about Lane & Dave except (of course) the Gilmores. To see more of each other w/out clueing Lane's mom to what's going down, Dave & his bandmates end up playing hymns @ religious type functions put on by Lane's mom. Hijinks involving the word "bulwark" ensue. Lane's mom, meanwhile, tries to set Lane up w/ this nice Korean lad who's ALSO seeing someone on the sly, but who (of course) ends up falling for Lane, much to Dave's dismay.
- Lorelei starts sorta seeing this guy that's friends of an old friend of Sookie's (some coffee shop entrepeneur), while also dealing w/ some issues stemming from the return of Max Medina (Rory's ex-teacher; she had some thing w/ him; turned down marriage proposal; yadda yadda). Also, Rory's father's new wife gives birth, & she's there for that. MEANWHILE, Luke starts dating a lawyer (whose working w/ Taylor on some ice cream store shenanigans), & the tension is so thick when Lorelei's in the room with either of them that you could insulate a tarpaper shack w/ it & not worry about your heating bills for, oh, 50 years.
- Also on the Lorelei front - she gets an oodle of money from her dad (some real estate investment he made when she was born), which she then uses to pay off the long-standing debt between her & her parents (involving Rory's private school tuition). Lorelei's mom sees this as a way for L. to get out of spending time w/ the 'rents (since their relations are strained ever so slightly), & a big ol' tiff ensues. Also, L.'s dad is "starting a business" & is acting quite shady (the scare quotes are my thing; I'm such a Doubting Thomas).
- As far as Rory & college - she was accepted into Harvard (conveniently located near her dad & Madchen Amick - such coincidence did not strike Lorelei as, how you say, a good thing) AND Yale (thanks to some finagling by L.'s dad, a Yale alum - such finagling was not taken to kindly by Lorelei). I BELIEVE Rory has chosen to go to Yale; Jess might've been a deciding factor in this decision. Bad move, Rory.
- Most importantly, Paris got some from a Princeton man & didn't get into Harvard. The two events are mutually exclusive. OR ARE THEY?

THank you and good night.

(Jess is a big butthole, no doubt, but in a cute "aww lookie the little butthole he thinks he's so tough and brooding awwww" kind of way.)

I think Bledel would look good as an electroclash fashionplate. Ms. Sherman-Palladino please get on that.

That was to show Jess still has trust issues.

from a dramatic perspective:
Dean & Rory happily together = boring
Jess undermining that relationship = good
Jess & Rory happily together = boring
Jess being a dick and ditching her = good
estimated time Jess's spin-off lasts = 1/2 season

Gilmore Girls has ruined me for boys though. I keep imagining that there are boys in the world that talk like that in real life, like actually initiating conversations and discussing things of no importance in lots of sentences. I like that. And I drive my boyfriend crazy because he doesn't talk much.

Okay, I labored over that one. Be glad I didn't use the phrase "barely legal."

(BTW, I should introduce myself since I've never posted here. I'm Scott Seward's wife. We're both at home looking at this thread on separate computers in different rooms of the apartment. I think I'll go talk about GG with him now in "meetspace" (the kitchen).)

Welcome Maria D;) -- Scott, loved your article on Baltimore house. Is it a real phenom or are you just having a go?

I liked the finale. It had me smiling a lot.

Keiko Agena and Sean Gunn also star. Amy Sherman-Palladino wrote and directed the episode. "

high-concept black humor is a rare taste.

anyway the wb's schedule is pretty white -- once dawson's creek took off, it decided to specialize in teenz-with-powaz-and-or-angst hours. the wb also has the honor of airing one of the top three whitest shows on tv, '7th heaven.'

this season's big new show is 'tarzan' (with a blonde looker in the title role). there's also a new show starring joey lawrence (my tagline's like wo) and i think they're the network with 'young macgyver' (starring dean from gilmore girls) in development.

anyway the point here is: research before you hatorize!!

but i never actually watched it myself until much later. has anybody seen the eve sitcom??

deja vu!

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I still haven't done that Yale walk:(

"Say goodbye to Daisy Miller" = classic.

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Although is it still on Tuesdays? Because Canasta just shifted practice from Tuesdays to Mondays, and if so, it means I'll be able to see it for the first time in over a year!

Seriously: what's going on in the show? Rory's a sophomore now, right? I missed all of last season, and I should probably just go over to Television Without Pity and read summaries, huh?

(i havne read the thread) Rory slept with the married guy and got busted by her mom pretty much and so she is off to Europe with her grandma. the grandparents made the police blotter for domestic dispute, lorelai and luke kissed

this show was a secret gult if mine but now ILx has never felt better

Uh-oh, that sounds like classic jump-the-shark material.

Are they going to skip summer now, or show Rory miserably travelling Europe? Usually when a show starts a new season, or with GG anyway, they've had a bit that happened over the summer, but mostly just some context so they can start the story with fall. But there's too much going on to skip this time, what with Luke/Lorelai.

what season is this anyways?

I'm so rooting for Dean. That awful spoiled brat of a wife will be the death of him. He's *got* to leave her this season.

The premiere dragged a little bit though the Daisy Miller bit was pretty great.

I'm kinda glad that the whole Jason/Richard business thing is over with, but I do kinda wonder if Lorelei's parents splitting up ISN'T some sort of jump the shark moment. It seems kinda forced. I don't believe that those two would act this way.

Whoa, whoa, what?!

While Rory is mid-sentence, wondering what else they could do, Paris grabs Rory by the face and plants one on her. They loop in someone gasping here, but nobody around Paris and Rory even glances over in their direction. Rory asks Paris if she's crazy. Paris says that Fraulein and Louisa do it. Rory says they also wear their underwear outside of their clothes. Rory walks away, telling Paris to get away from her, and adding, "You're not my type."

Interesting interview with Amy Sherman-Palladino in this week's Onion.

I relate to Rory quite a bit. I've never met anyone else who does, though. I don't relate to her situations, per se, but her character and how she relates (or cannot relate) to other people around her.

That was a great episode, not so much for that subplot but for the whole thing with Rory showing the vapid teenager around Yale, and Paris and Jonathan From Buffy hooking up after finding one another at a speed dating meeting.

only screwed up the timeline once. i was all 'that lorelai REALLY IZ like.... a mega-WHORE) and my gf was all 'no honey thats a tape you're watching, she and luke arent dating yet'

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I love Buffy a LOT, but I prefer Angel. I'm in the minority there, I guess. I think Angel seasons 2 through 4 are kind of amazing.

I am in the process of reading TWOP recaps from the last month.

Something I've never gotten -- journalism school at Yale? Do they even have a journalism school? Why not Columbia? Too far from home? Who in their right friggin' mind goes to Yale to learn to be a reporter? Be our next President instead, please, k thnx.

The show, she's dying.

The clumsily-introduced Luke thing goes like this: he wants to buy this house he's always loved, because he dreams of marrying Lorelai and having kids and so on. Dean pops up like a Greek chorus / arc-clarification fairy and tells Luke that the Gilmore gals just aren't going to be content with living simple Stars Hollow lives, and sure enough, some inn conglomerate takes an interest in buying Lorelai's inn and giving her some cosmopolitan inn-consultant position. Luke, who's secretly purchased the house out from under the curiously-rich and slightly-deformed Kirk thanks to the intervention of an Emperor Palpatine-like town elder (seriously, Kirk-wise, was that chest a birth defect?), learns that Lorelai is maybe thinking about taking the job, and therefore pulls out on the house, though only after blurting out something obvious and telling about their imaginary unborn children. Later, Lorelai fills him in on the Rory situation, and he gets all agitated and concerned, and she's evidently moved enough by his concern to propose, which is pretty cute.

Also Lane's stupid band is going on a tour of Seventh Day Adventist churches, as organized by her mom, who says that "Kims don't quit." And the guy in the band who is not Zach or Sebastian Bach got a job as a Century 21 receptionist.

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She freaked out and stole a boat bc the intership that she was doing with her boyfriend's father--a consolation prize when the rest of the family told her that she wasn't good enough for their son--ended badly. Rory had been doing a great job, interning at a small city paper, being Huntzberger's shadow. She did everything great, had everything organzied and had lots of energy, but when Huntz decided to talk to her about her performance, he said that she would make someone an excellent assistant someday, but that she didn't have the "it" that was required to be a journalist. He says he works with a lot of people and he just has a sense about these things. Not really fair, bc he never asked her to write anything, so I'm not sure what he is judging by. Nevertheless, now Rory wants to give up her dream of becoming a journalist, and feels that she would be wasting her time to continue her studies at Yale without having a goal and a plan that she is working toward.

By the way, Luke renegged on his deal to buy the house after he thought that Lorelai was going to take a position as a hotel consultant.

She always wanted to be a journalist - did it in highschool, on the paper - but, yeah, also had this dream to go to Harvard, though I'm not sure why. Then switched to Yale instead, mostly as a legacy thing, but also b/c her mom couldn't pay for Harvard and asked the grandparents to pay, which caused Richard to argue for Yale, which Rory went along with.

Okay, I just freaked myself out with my own tv knowledge. Back to the Lost thread...

man, this is why one should only watch shows that are over, with all seasons on dvd. mean to tell me i have to wait all summer to find out what happens?
strug.

Yep. That's how that works.

there's not all that much to do in new haven

Actually now that I think about it Rory's sudden clueless juvenilia seems to trace straight back to the moment of preparation.

(Typo ruined the joke and I think threw off the tone for the white-people joke, too! Sad.)

What the hell happened to this show? It really went off a cliff this year.

(NB possibly that joke works better if you substitute "non-immigrants" for "white-people," or something. The whole mid-college breather thing is a concept that seems really alien to me, at least in cases like this one; it’s one thing if you’ve got an actual life-crisis or some other opportunity to follow, but I never understood that generalized “ah, I’m vaguely unhappy about something, I’ll just go home for a while.” But that should probably get restricted to a joke, because I suppose it serves some people well, and I'm in no position to question that. It just seems really foreign to me, which middle-class immigrant parents all across the country would probably congratulate my mom on.)

I AM SO NOT KIDDING EITHER

YOU ARE ON THE LIST

DON'T GO THERE

Lorelai overreacted by freaking out at Rory's pronouncement. None of this has to be decided right now. Rory could chill over the summer, and maybe she'll feel like going back in the fall. Or she could take time off, or she could realize that was freaking out needlessly and return to Yale, which is likely what she will do next season.

Either way, Rory is going to be freakin' miserable in the poolhouse; she'll run home crying to mom soon enough.

The thing about the internship criticism being unfair, is that as a young intern type, the way that you impress people is by doing the grunt work that Rory was doing. You don't really get a chance to do anything more unless you prove that you can be a sort of punching board. Her job was to be a "shadow"--a shadow is not supposed to jump in at meetings and assert herself.

Speaking of which, check out Rory *and* Joan of Arcadia in the Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants.

"In its highly competitive 8 p.m. EDT Tuesday time slot against Fox's powerhouse 'American Idol,' 'Gilmore Girls' has repeatedly ranked No. 2 among its target audience of young adults 18-34 and young women."

By the by, I *love* Richard and Emily. If there is a spin-off, it should be for them. (If Lane is too busy.)

http://www.annasuibeauty.com/site/fall_2005_stills/7.jpg

have you been watching stella dallas recently...?

She hadn't!

This is so deeply wrong. This is all very logical behavior for her, and it's all certainly in character. You might not be able to relate to someone so tightly wound as Rory, but trust me, I do, and I this is all stuff that totally makes sense in terms of her sheltered background, uptight personality, and the social situations that she's in.

i bet sales of gilmore girls dvds are going to convince the wb to keep it around awhile, a la family guy.

Matthew, I think the behavior's psychologically coherent but just really badly introduced in narrative terms -- they never made quite enough happen to really spark that change. The party at her grandfather's house -- the one with the Dean break-up -- that kept the shift in motion nicely, but apart from that I feel like they've done kind of a poor job with it. Same goes for introducing the Luke/Lorelai one, really, which would have worked a million times better if they'd just had the job interest come before Dean's weird reappearance. (Seriously, why is Dean the season's Official Character-Arc Spokesman?)

NO

BECAUSE HE'S SO DREAMY! (Or maybe the Palladinos are taking pity on him after New York Minute.)

I don't think Paris is pregnant, just Lisa Weil.

i bet sales of gilmore girls dvds are going to convince the wb to keep it around awhile, a la family guy.

Kinda, but it's also making a killing in reruns on ABC Family and the ratings are up and it pulls a very attractive demographic to the WB.

nitsuh: can i make out with lorelai?

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But next week looks like Rory is going to go even further into her country club princess Hunstzberger bubble. I can't wait till they bring back that cute student-cafeteria-worker and Rory and he and Luke and Lorelai have the double wedding for the series finale and we can watch the DVDs and the Tivo's episodes and reminisce about how great it all used to be.

Oh, and what was with R. speaking Spanish? For a native Spanish speaker I would have expected a bit more zest, though perhaps she was trying to convey, white-bread college-level Spanish.

Bledel, you mean? (Not you?)

I loved the article I just read where Alexis Bledel says it's nice that Rory's calmed down a bit, as "she can be a little tiring."

I was just being pedantic about your dangling modifier. :-)

Suddenly there were a bunch of kinda absurdist jokes going, and lot more kinda "wet" gags (like the Romanian maid's cold look) -- hopefully that's just early-season entertainment, but I'm still not sure I like it.

holy mixed metaphors in that last sentence.

Rory is looking beautiful, though. And we have got to do something about Luke's would-be construction worker brother-in-law. I'm no judge of thespianship, but that dude seems to really, really love to overact.

By the way, I hope nobody gets offended by my calling them the G Hos. I don't mean anything by it, but that really is the best name for them.

When Luke told Rory that he was engaed to her mom, and her face clouded over with lots of emotions and she held back the tears; acting champ! That's the best emotional acting I've seen her do since forever.

I've felt this way ever since Season 4 ended.

Unlike most other shows on television, Gilmore Girls allows its characters to grow and change rather than remain in some kind of unnatural stasis. If you've been watching the show consistently from the very beginning (as I have), every change and shift has been organic and logical. I can understand why skipping around through the series might be confusing to casual viewers, but the show isn't really built to be watched in that way.

Maybe these shifts have been organic and logical (although I would disagree), but if I liked the characters as they were, and hate the characters as they are now, does it matter how believable the transformation was?

I think that they're being wierd about the engagement. It doesn't seem wholehearted or something. I've heard that SP (Luke) is not signed for a 7th season, but the girls are. Perhaps they are making it murky to justify writing him off if necessary?

Scott Patterson is just working out his contract, he had a different contract than Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel. I'm sure he'll be back in the seventh season.

If you want to watch a show where the characters stay just the way you like them forever, I recommend watching some shitty sitcoms or something.

I always prefer characters when they are out of high school. High school stuff bores me, and I have trouble relating to it. The difficulties people have when adjusting to life outside of that sort of institution and attempt to become adults is endlessly fascinating to me.

I'll have you know that I have logged many GG hours in my time, although admittedly most of them have not been recent. I haven't been haphazardly skipping through it, though.

I also think the way the show handles the class warfare stuff is 100% OTM -- Rory is becoming a "Gilmore" in all the wrong senses of the word: rich, rotten and entitled. But she still has enough of her mother in her to make it a struggle. I think a fantastic illustration of that was the scene with the maid in this past week's episode -- she was nice enough to strike up a conversation with her, but also not aggressive enough to speak out in her defense later when Emily walked in.

I for one don't want characters to stay the same. If you'd like to jump to the conclusion that I am too much of a simpleton to enjoy complex characters and should watch shitty sitcoms, that's fine.

My favorite series have been Once & Again, Freaks & Geeks, My So-called Life, all shows with rich characters who change and grow (but also with characters still in high school).

What I loved about Once & Again is that sometimes a character was a "good guy" and sometimes a "bad guy" and sometimes both at the same time depending on whose perspective you chose.

I've also been known to laugh out loud during Everybody Loves Raymond, so feel free to shower your scorn of sitcoms on me.

I'll cop: that show is an occasional guilty pleasure of mine as well.

i very much agree with this.

I said they were fave shows of mine, not the perfect examples of multi-year character development.

What are your favorite shows? Tell me so I can ridicule you! (not really)

Maria, those are perfectly decent shows, I wasn't trying to mock your tastes so much as point out that never had a chance to grow like Gilmore Girls. Actually, I've always been of the opinion that those two shows never really had any place to go, and it's lucky for them that they never had to deal with their characters growing up and leaving high school.

A better comparison for Rory's post-high school growth is Claire from Six Feet Under and Meadow from the Sopranos.

I really enjoyed this last episode, what with Paris' sudden loss of wealth (very Cordelia Chase!) and everything with Richard and Emily.

I agree, Paul Anka is the one thing I really don't like about this season, though I think it forces a really good point about Luke, which is why he's there, I guess.

"As Rory's twenty-first birthday approaches, both Lorelai and Rory are saddened by the fact that their ongoing estrangement will keep them from spending the day the way they had always planned. Richard tries to convince Lorelai to help him with a plan to get Rory back to Yale, but Lorelai insists that Rory has to make the decision herself. While Richard continues to worry about Rory's future, Emily throws herself into planning an elaborate birthday party. Meanwhile, Emily and Richard are shocked when they realize that Rory and Logan have been having sex. "

and

"The little mission [of getting Rory to go back to Yale] falls on former Secretary of State Madeline Albright 's capable shoulders."

(It's also really convoluted in terms of real-world reference: what kind of conversation that would have taken place if she'd taken three steps to the left and introduced herself to Lane?)

I'm excited to see Jess back as a look-how-you've-changed tool, but if it's anything as speechy-blunt as Dean's whole magically-appearing "they're not like us" bit from last season, then next week might be a little rough.

They really dropped that community-service stuff pretty quickly.

I've enjoyed the pace this season, though the episode last week had virtually nothing in the way of plot advancement and just felt like filler to get the story paced right for sweeps season. Last night's episode was fantastic though, lots of payoff, especially with Emily finally verbalizing the subtext of Richard's problem with Rory - that she's turning into HER.

i am watching season 4 on dvd these days, and although for years i'dve picked lauren graham over alexis for my hott girl fantasy life, she's really challenging that notion in this season.

The Saga of the Aging White Dude Continues

3ric B4d3r: previously a writer for the 1nd3pend3nt, contributes to the philly w33kly, known for being kind of a dick [he's cool with me, so whatevs].

both of these dudes are kind of the quintessential twentysomething urban writers round these parts, so i feel like they used both of them to model that part of the dialogue. and "the subsect"? sounds like b4d3r's serialized novella "tru3 j3rs3y" to me.

3ric B4d3r: previously a writer for the 1nd3pend3nt, contributes to the philly w33kly, known for being kind of a dick [he's cool with me, so whatevs].

both of these dudes are kind of the quintessential twentysomething urban writers round these parts, so i feel like they used both of them to model that part of the dialogue. and "the subsect"? sounds like b4d3r's serialized novel "tru3 j3rs3y" to me.

Haha, oh God, I totally thought the same thing! I don't think so, though.

What was great about it was how the quick jump-cuts showed the laughter and the bitterness in such quick succession: you're left thinking, boy oh boy is this family stuck together.

But, what is the exciting new trauma for next week? Camera made it seem as if Rory finally got herself pregant but we know that's a long shot, so either--pregnancy scare, or the aforementioned above Christopher deadbeat scenario edited to look like a pregnacny scare, or Rory getting physcially assaulted by one of the downstairs "doo-wop singers" or ... make your predictions here.

Loved the dinner scene as well; felt a certain Long Day's Journey Into Night quality. I like that they're taking risk and still trying out new stuff. EW is hoping for a Thurs night Veronica Mars followed by GG when the networks join up. That might just be too much goodness.

He's like Chad Michael Murray, but worse. Where is that cute cafeteria worker from the freshman dorms?

her bangs are lovely, though, and I covet all her dresses.

A few months ago I got Gilmores seasons 1+2 on DVD really cheap. So far I'm only halfway through the first box (so I don't totally know how things worked out) but boy was I surprised to find CCM playing one of Rory's classmates @ Chilton--an arrogant little rich bastard who's pretty much Logan Version 1.0.

I started watching the first season on Austrian tv this fall, dubbed. Then I moved to Switzerland and found out that the Italian-language Swiss network broadcasts the show in two-channel, so I started watching Season Four in English while continuing to watch Season One in German. Then my wife discovered the show, and watches Season Five in German on a German network. I think I'd like the show if I know what the hell was going on.

Paris is one of my favorite tv characters too!

i am so glad logan and rory are back together and have gone from not dating, to one kiss, to moving in together in the course of a week.

and of course things are moving too fast between Luke and Lorelai, and of course Luke would be the one overwhelmed and want to put off marrying the woman he's been pining over for the last 5 1/2 years.

this show is really really aggravating sometimes. i mean i realize you need to stall stall stall and create some conflict between now and may sweeps, but they really shouldn't do it if it doesn't stay true to the characters.

and i thought after last season they had finally gotten over having important stuff happening off screen. but no, this season we get Lorelai possibly convincing Rory to get back together with Logan, with a letter of which we still don't know the contents.

at least its not as bad as Lorelai breaking off her engagement with Max offscreen, but it still sucks and reeks of lazy writing.

yes, I watched some of this last night and didn't quite like what I saw.

the realish-looking view from the Taft Apartments was ok, tho.

I never saw the first two or maybe even three seasons of this show so I don't have much context with christopher; in fact I didn't even know he was alive for a long time. What was he like earlier in the series (assuming he showed up occasionally)?

Logan saves the paper and announces THIS IS HOW WE DO IT, PEOPLE! -- when "what we do" is obsequiously drop our old-money family name while on the phone with the printer.

You can't help but feel sorry for him, but in general that type is to be avoided.

All of the Yalies can just spin themselves off into a new program that will disappear like Jess's ill-fated venture. I'm all about Stars Hollow and Hartford. And where the hell is Lane? She can stay.

(1) what seasons are now on DVD? what season are we in?

(2) when is this show on?

everyone here scoffs at my interest in g.g., and so i haven't really been inclined to catch up. it's the sort of thing i'd jump at if someone else were interested in watching the episodes with me.

weird how i've seen this show maybe 5 times in the past 3 years and i still feel vaguely devoted to it.

I think the first four seasons are on DVD, and the show is currently in its 6th season. It's on Tuesday nights at 8pm eastern time.

i liked that episode even though it was all over the place.

Actually it wasn't that bad, but I can't help thinking it.

THE WOMAN HAS TO KNOW!

You can dress nautical
Learn to tie knots
Take lots of Dramamine
Out on your yacht
But when you're all alone
And nothing bites
You'll wish you stayed at home
With someone nice
But when you think you made it disappear
It comes again, "Hello, I'm here", and
I've got angst in my pants

You can be smart as hell
Know how to add
Know how to figure things
On yellow pads
Answer so no one knows
What you just said
But when you're all alone
You and your head
What's the computer say, it's mumbling now
It says "hey Joe"
It's spelled it out and
"You've got angst in your pants"
"You've got angst in your pants"

But when you think you've made it disappear
You're sure you made it disappear
And you've still got angst in your pants

I hope it doesn't show
It'll go 'way
It's just a passing phase
It'll go 'way
I hope it doesn't show
It'll go 'way
Give it a hundred years
It won't go 'way
And I've got angst in my pants
I've got angst in my pants

the rest of the episode was fine.

anyone else notice that lane always wears that sweater? I like this; it reminds us that rory is still a rich kid

What is up with Rory? Would anyone even want to hang out with her these days? Is this what happens when we go from adolescent to early adult? Is that cute April girl gonna end up a snot-nosed Ivy kid in the end also?

am i the only person who didn't know until recently that rory and jess are a real-life couple?

How can Jess be at that fake Barnard College and at a hipster gallery in Philadalphia at the same time?

Huh. No idea.

I think my brother was there a month or two ago and saw Jason Lee.

this week's episode was good and now I think Lorelai should ditch Luke and get back with Chris, and I hope Logan dies

For the “Gilmore Girls” season finale (and the swan song for the show’s creators, Amy Sherman-Palladino and Daniel Palladino), the plot revolves around the town troubadour, a recurring role played by Grant Lee Phillips, going on tour with Neil Young after Young sees him performing in the show’s setting of Star’s Hollow.

sounds awful. For the last Palladino-written episode of the show ever? An episode that's all about the troubador?

And Coco is as tall as Kim!

Barely holding herself together, Lorelai has her big showdown with Luke. She begs him to elope with her. With unprecedented emotion, she tells him how much she loves him and how much she wants to marry him. Lorelai tells him that she's tired of waiting. He...acts like a douche. Luke repeats over and over how he "needs time" and has to think, or whatever -- it's a bunch of bullshit, and Lorelai finally loses it. Her ultimatum failed, she turns to her old standby, Christopher. The next morning, she wakes up in his bed, looking like her heart is broken into a million pieces.

and rory saying bye to logan was sad too, but in a "oh they're young, everything's a big drama" way, rather than a "gar, freakin LIFE turning on its head, etc" way, which is how loreilai's situation felt.

i also liked all the musicians, though i can't name them all and that frustrated me. to the internets!

so anyway, there was:
Kim Gordon, Thurston Moore + Coco (aw :) )
Sam Phillips (who scores the show, i read - was he the older guy?)
Joe Pernice
Sparks (!)
Yo La Tengo :)
Michael Miller Crusade (i read)
who was the blond girl? she seemed so familiar and i'm blanking (and she said 'can you say BTK?'!)
a few others, obv

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_Pf7JhKWo

so yeah, when last we met our heroes, lorelai couldn't deal with luke relationship, ended up in chris' bed, and rory drama appeared low but logan had just left for europe, so... that's all i remember. i am also curious about how different the show may or may not be now that palladino is gone. hm.

Yeah, she was nuts on that as well. My fave Graham-Ellen moment was when she appeared last Valentines Day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mdojTrnJyM

Caveat Emptor: I'm currently without sound, so I don't know how much of the appearance is contained in the clip.

paris, as always, was great.

Paris looks so adult now.

Hopefully Kelly Bishop and Edward hermann will be back soon.

but she got pregnant from that one time.

Transfer of gangly big-eyed one-time Veronica Mars girl to Gilmore in tiny dress is okay by me, though, I guess, because she totally CREEPS ME OUT in some way I can't figure out and therefore enjoy, like fussing with a loose tooth, but I sense some lame obvious impending arc where Rory gets a social life and forgets about Logan, thus prompting Logan to make some Big Redeeming Effort to come back and reclaim Rory, negating his previous "well but he's kind of a radiant asshole" persona. No thanks.

My recommendation for this show once again returns to something like Rory having a long affair with Cesar. Or Luke running over Paul Anka. Or Kirk molesting April just ANYTHING PLEASE HAPPEN THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE EITHER WAY.

I'd look forward to the first half of this statement, though, just so Logan can quietly disappear.

At the same time, the way the two art-girls came in and right away started snooping through the apartment made me a little uneasy, like they were going to take advantage of Rory somehow.

April: the Olivia to Rory's Rudy Huxtable?

*Newspaper people (or Colin, Finn and the Loganettes) don't count

re: huxtables - well, she is precocious and cute and has the rory banter down... i like her more than rory though. and sherilynn fenn looked great on this ep, for the brief minute we saw her. she is awesome.

yeah, something should happen, anything. even if it's another love triangle.

REALLY?

I probably would've had a crush on Rory in high school, even if I was sometimes annoyed by her perfectionism -- whereas I'd have outright hated April. The way she was all, "YOU'VE never been to TARGET?" made me want to slap her.

i still do like rory, but she is annoying in perhaps more ways than april. e.g., rory as newspaper editor, rory as logan's girlfriend, rory as not very good friend to lane lately, etc etc. but then, she is totally 22! yeah, it all makes sense.

Oh, awesome! I liked that kid. The kid who Logan's first action on the show was to be a dick to, which may have something to do with Logan having way more to overcome, being-annoying-wise, than he ever did.

Here's an issue: Rory-as-teenager seemed smart. Rory-as-college-student just seems vacuous and ditzy, if still well-organized and careerist.

Anyway, I liked last night's episode though I don't know why. We all agree this season is better than last one, right?

I like watching where Rory's going, but yeah, pretty done with Lorelai.

Supposedly they're gonna bring back whatisname, that poor Yale kid that admitted he liked Rory

Yay! This guy was awesome. Though Rory doesn't in any way deserve him. I liked the new girls. Hopefully they will stick around, and Rory will get a life, and move out of that glass house she lives in.

I've completely swing from being interested in Rory to being interested in Lorelai. Did y'all see her on Studio 60? She is so gorgeous.

What's going on with Lane? And Paris? I watched an old episode on the family channel the other day and realized the only thing that was keeping me going was the five minutes of Lane-and-Mrs.-Lane storyline.

lane is pregerant and is still great and not on the show enough, paris is running a standardized testing prep service and is still frightening and great, christopher is on the show a lot and is not as entertaining as luke, who grew a sense of humour and romance over the past few seasons but may have lost it again. christopher is richer. luke has not had enough altercations with town nutbars recently. lorelai and rory are still good at shopping and wearing clothes.

christopher is richer.

I'm sure that redeems him of all the shit he's pulled, if the way this show has been going the last couple of seasons is any guide.

xpost: oh yay! maybe I'll try watching again, if no Logan.

OTM. I don't like nu-Rory. She's too rich and too pampered and I don't care about her. It was more fun when they kind of didn't have much money. Now it's all like it was when Roseanne won the lottery.

And Lorelai is getting on my tits. She's too whingey and, I'm sorry, but that dress she had on the other night when she went out for the date with Christopher was actually a slip.

However, I am glad that SOMEONE finally got done for DUI on this programme. For six years those Gilmores have been tearing around Connecticut, smashed. Enough!

Bad, bad Palladinos. I am glad the new regime is doing something about this.

NYT article had a pretty good interpretation of just how the show went downhill, although IMHO a lot of the problems were there last season too, if not as pronounced. How many eps ended with "quiet sad Lorelai" after all?

I haven't seen this week's episode yet. I take it it was not good.

For me, the best part this week was the Kirk/Lulu/Luke thing. Everything else was either ass or a tease.

i thought ms hefferman (sp?) made an interesting argument about the show's style and how it is suddenly seeming much more conventional. i'll have to go back to the old episodes and count the number of reaction shots. my sense is that ms hefferman overstated her case a bit but was arguing in the right direction.

Admission, though: I actually liked the last five minutes or so of that episode, as far as plot complications. Or rather, I don't really care either way about Chris-and-Lorelai secret marriage, but at least it means something happening. And I actively like the idea of Rory being confronted with her own annoyingness by meeting friends who are vaguely entertaining (you know, in plot-world) and having the one normal guy she met date one of them -- plus his motivation for pretending not to know her reads as totally intriguing. (It will probably pan out into a lame "still wants Rory" thing, though in my fantasy world he's just told hilarious stories to his creepy-looking better-than-Rory girlfriend about this total annoying chick he used to have a crush on, and is now just sparing her the humiliation of everyone going "oh, this is that girl? OMG LOL you suck, Rory!")

How long until the annulment?

Jesus christ, if you think everyone talks really slow, you should have watched last week's episode when Lorelai and Christopher went to Paris. I was giving it the Apu-style "I can't believe you won't SHUT UP!!" she was so fucking yammery. On and on and on. I used to love this programme, and now I hate her so much, I hate her! I'm sure she wasn't always this stupid and annoying, was she? Have I just overdosed?

mary, maybe they broke up because milo made a movie called "The Deeds" where he jacks off into a loaf of bread and then put it back on the grocery shelf.

And fuckin everything to do with Rory. I can't believe there is so much hate for Logan, I mean he's crap, but he seems like the least pretentious and fake of all of Rory's new friends (excepting that guy that used to love her and obviously still does).

Gilmore Girls is probably my favourite tv show ever, but I am contemplating not bothering to see the season out. I don't particularly care what happens.

Maybe we could ask them to go back and shoot it again. Maybe this could be all a dream?

It's always been that way!

anyway this episode and the previous one (months ago) were a step up from the rest of the season, I think. Needs more grandparents though.

Interesting things used to happen: nobody's been attacked by a swan in forever! I think the main problem, though, is their not having figured out how to turn Rory into an adult character anywhere near as interesting/likeable as her teenage character.

I was thinking it was going to end this year, but maybe this is just the first year without ASP and on the CW and maybe I was just assuming that it would end this year.

i did think it was weird that NO mention was made of the fight b/w chris and luke. they didn't even show it in the recap.

Yay for Gil showing up again though. Too little, but still.

Oh, and Lorelai was a lot less annoying than she has been of late.

way dumber shit happened under them last year that that scene.

I.e. she has dated both SPIKE and RILEY -- picking up Buffy's sloppy seconds!

Lorelai is being horrible, so here comes Chris. Chris is being understanding, but wait, we need to break them up so now he is going to be a dick and Lorelai is the good one, etc...

Rubbish. Paris was good, though.

BTW, this may be old news by now, but I was looking at the most recent TV Guide last night and there was a news item about how the CW wants another season of the show. Apparently Lauren G. has agreed to do it, but Alexis B. might end up only doing a handful of guest shots during Sweeps.

Logan is so riduculous. Oh, I'm just going to use that 3 mil siting in my trust fund, no big.
Rory: you are so bright and handsome. Tell me more in that business speak of yours.

i want more wackiness.

man, it sucks they had to get rid of tristin so damn early

I don't even remember who that is

kid at chilton during seasons 1 + 2, teasingly called rory "mary" at first but ended up having a thing for her. his pops sent him to military school early in season 2 (show was forced to write him out due to him getting the lead part in One Tree Hill). totally redeemable and multi-dimensional and interesting character

am really loving that you watch this show

also just general lols at one tree hill. never gets old

oh man "a-tisket, a-tasket" is the best episode so far (i'm only halfway through the second season).

;) sounds like a great saturday nite

the part where lorelai realizes she doesnt want to parent like her mother re: jess is perfectly done and touching. really like jess now too. and lorelai and luke are getting SO CLOSE to getting together. and sookie and jackson are getting married!

xp lol yeah

totally not being sarcastic even! hopefully you have good snacks happening

i basically know what happens alreay from watching random eps in the past but it doesnt really spoil it. show's more about situations and emotions rather than "what happens" (though this is the mark of most good shows imo)

sometimes it's nice to know what happens, you can just kind of zone out if you want

continuing what i was getting at earlier, i find it admirable that the show is far more concerned with the characters' reactions to or emotions resulting from significant events and how they affects pre-existing relationships more than the events themselves. think about lorelai and max splitting up & rory and jess getting into a car accident, which i'd say are the two most important events of the show (as far as i am, which is near the end of S2). neither of these events are actually shown to us on screen! depicting these would not only be superfluous but run the risk of being insipid - the way lorelai reacts to ending her engagement with max, or the way jess' crash and subsequent town-wide vilification makes rory re-evaluate her feelings for him and relationship with dean is far more interesting to me.

in short, this show is good

On occasions (e.g. A Film By Kirk, The Festival of Living Art, and the show's startlingly frequent invocation of "woah there!" sexual innuendos), it even verges on true greatness.

this show is fucked

have sex OR go to harvard

Lauren Graham is coming back to tv. On Parenthood, the tv show. Ron Howard is involved.

anticipating new Lauren Graham show Parenthood.

SOME ONE PLEASE HELP ME AND TELL ME WHAT JESS'S NOVEL IS CALLED?

The episode was on tv today and I seriously just turned it on like twenty seconds after they must have mentioned it and now I'm going crazy trying to remember what it's called and a google search just brings up novels he reads in the show... *deep breath*...

THE SUBSECT

http://www.tvloop.com/gilmore-girls/show/quotes/top10/jess-mariano-2140/4

(I had to Google: Jess, gilmore Girls, wrote a novel)

ty ty ty ty you are amazing

GAH! Now I need watch this show again.

this is on in the background of the apt and everyone on this show talks in this shrill way like reality TV stars pretending they're on an episode of Friends

What a surprise that Whiney hates it.

We've watched the first season on DVD over Xmas. I did not expect Fugazi references and astutely observed class/parental issues from the awful airbrushed cover. Season 2 had better arrive today so we can marathon it tonight.

This show is like

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I would probably kill myself if I spent as much time hating things as Whiney does.

this show is the shit f u whiney

haha latebloomer otm

I know u are Whiney but what r the Gilmore Girls

logan huntsberger i h8 u

luke you braek my heart

jess comes back and omg

s6 of gilmore girls is the most depressing series of television ever made

Once Rory went to college, the magic was gone.

s6 of gilmore girls is the most depressing series of television ever made

something i sincerely like about s7 is that for most of it lorelai is a convincing depiction of a depressed person, just perpetually unwilling to talk & slouching about all bummed out, rueful. it's good, you don't see it so much on tv.

rory -> college means that it is paris's time to shine

main memories i have of those last seasons is rory and lorelei talking on the phone. which i guess is realistic, but not exactly great TV.

they should've incorporated a scene w/them talking over the phone, but incorporating a slight time delay, & so each gilmore's quick stream of pop-culture strewn barbs overlapped & overlayed slightly, creating a kind of reichian come out style sound montage

just it maybe would've been less boring

main memories i have of those last seasons is rory and lorelei talking on the phone. which i guess is realistic, but not exactly great TV.

They even did one ep (s6) where they played phone tag the whole time without connecting.

was that a result of scheduling with the actresses, you think? just seemed like a terrible way to do a show that is literally based around those two characters' relationship.

Now that I think of it, it was earlier than that--whatever season Rory first went to college and Lorelai was getting the inn fixed up--I think they were trying to illustrate that their relationship wasn't going to be the same anymore. However IIRC, that was nullified the next week when they reunited in the cold open and talked about how terrible not talking to each other was. Might also have been a way of making lemonade out of a scheduling issue as well.

yeah, i mean, it makes sense as a plot point -- daughter goes off to college, they start communicating more via phone. but it just got to the point where half of the episode was them discussing things over the phone. at least that's how i remember it.

have rewatched in recent weeks seasons 5 and 6, halfway thru s7. i really don't think it gets terrible until the last episode of s6 where i suspect amy sherman-palladino deliberately torpedo'd everything. which i would respect.

anyway as far as gilmore romantic relationships go it's logan > jason > christopher > dean >>>>>>>>> jess >>>>>>>>>>>>> max medina

now that the dust has settled i think it's safe to say that this and v mars ended up the best wb/upn teen shows by a huge (huge) margin with gilmores ultimately the winner due to suburban san diego biker gangs being unlikely to wear helmets/be captained by a 5'2" theater kid.

also new amy s-p show? maybe good?

i don't like the title! or the dance angle. but i would watch it.

best wb/upn shows, what about among best shows of the 00s, period.

anyway as far as gilmore romantic relationships go it's logan > jason > christopher > dean >>>>>>>>> jess >>>>>>>>>>>>> max medina

whaaaaaaaaat

no way this show was as good v mars cmon

i mean its def good but its only in the top five of cw/wb shows

v mars suffered from huge suspenseful buildup/inevitable cliffhanger resolution letdown. i know it's inherent to serialized mysteries and just a 'feature' of the genre and that maybe one could make the argument that as a show v mars was well aware of this feature/problem and toyed with audience expectations a little bit but still went gracefully into that inevitable letdown in deference to the primacy of genre that drove the show as a whole etc BUT gilmore girls was a consistent iv drip of heartwarming narcotic and in my advanced age i think that might be a greater achievement than EKG suspense.

max medina was awful. jess too. i don't know that i've wished more ill on a fictional character than i've wished on jess.

i think the characters on v mars were better drawn and more nuanced and i think as a show it took much bigger risks, which i guess i care about to some extent. the girlmore girls created a p desirable world to inhabit but it was never really compulsive viewing and many of the season arcs were p boring and indifferently plotted.

they're different shows

for example gilmore girls is better

its true that they are different shows

i think gilmore girls was pretty nuanced in its presentation of class conflict within the relentlessly cheerful bounds of its world up until this relentless cheerfulness left all the main characters so wealthy and successful that they had nothing to do but focus all their energy on vague and underexplored ideas of i don't know self-actualization or something.

can't believe buffy is not the acknowledged best show in this conversation

ive never watched buffy

but ill ride or die for everwood and the first few seasons of antm

haha i love everwood but it's not really in this conversation imo

until this relentless cheerfulness left all the main characters so wealthy and successful

this does not sound real accurate.

the relationships between the characters on gilmore girls seem more three-dimensional than pretty much most other tv shows.

max medina was awful. jess too. i don't know that i've wished more ill on a fictional character than i've wished on jess.

― adam, Monday, February 13, 2012 10:41 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm but your ranking is crazy! luke wasn't even on it and he is obvs the only acceptable one!

I loved watching the show but thought it was really a treat when Todd Lowe's character was on.

I was a pretty loyal fan but a year after it was over, I just didn't miss it and thought it was sort of silly in retrospect. I didn't expect that I enjoyed that cozy little world.

I never caught re-runs until this past summer and just couldn't bring myself to watch the whole thing. I thought that was disappointing because at one time I considered the entire DVD set. Just didn't stand up for me, not like I Love Lucy, Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke or Route 66 did.

i kind of feel the opposite way. i always was sort of dismissive of it while it aired even though i sometimes watch it. the times i've seen it since then, i have to admit it's a better show than i realized.

i sometimes watched it, i meant.

haha i love everwood but it's not really in this conversation imo

yeah its... not that good a show but man did i love watching it

me too; i still watch episodes sometimes when i want to cry

yeah GG is like a tv comfy blanket, I can always watch a few eps

Max Medina was ick, ick, ICK

was max median the guy who taught at rory's school?

yeah

o yah he was gross. i thought christopher was really handsome, i remember when they went to paris he looked really chic and waspy and boyish

the other day i was sure i saw the actor who played logan's name in the opening credits for 'revenge' but then he wasnt in the episode and it bummed me out

i really liked logan

the thing about the Gilmore Girls is that Rory is kind of awful and i'm bad at figuring out shows where one of the main characters is awful. i now think the creators made her awful on purpose, but when the show was airing i was like, am i supposed to like this asshole?

omg all you people who like christopher and logan i can't understand

Lamp the actor who played Logan is on the good wife, and i have to grudginly admit he's really good on it. so you should watch the good wife!

logan and christopher were the same person basically. i meant more that i liked the actor who played logan although i guess his character 'made sense' for rory. i mean what kind of snobby 15 year old cares so much abour going to choate they wouldnt date dean cmon

christopher was just really handsome in a way that i um responded to

ha i pretty much liked all of the dudes in gilmore girls incl max (until the end) and jess and christopher

lamp you totally need to watch buffy, what the heck man. shit, i need to finish buffy, and update my thread, but i'm not looking at a lot of free time in the near future

yes the show was very heavyhanded abuot the way logan and christopher were the same person. there was that one episode where they met and got along really well and it was like DO YOU SEE?

christopher was handsome but he was a heel

i'm also only on the 4th season of gg lol @ me :-/

i feel like i actually don't like anybody which is what's going on with me and the characters on the gilmore girls