Alright, Let's Do This: THE OFFICIAL NOV. 2ND ELECTION DAY THREAD

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(Even though it's not quite Nov. 2 yet in the US...)

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It's overrated already.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

this is getting out of hand already

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

It's already already.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Hipsters.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Go to bed, old man.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I propose we all start rival election day threads.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The first results of the election will be coming in from Dixville Notch, NH

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

http://fusionanomaly.net/ferisbuellercameroncaduceus.jpg
Call me "sir", Ned, goddamnit!

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Serious question: Who here has already voted in this election?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

ONE MORE DAY

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i voted last week

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I filled out my absentee ballot.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I filled out your absentee ballot too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

heh

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, stopping Nadering the thread.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

stopping = stop

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Ralph Nader, masturbater

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned natters with Nader while noodling.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

my ballot was mailed in about 2 weeks ago -- yay oregon

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't vote, due to being too lazy about deadlines. But it was gonna be absentee in either Georgia or Maryland, so whatever.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

If a warmly warbling warbler warbles to
another warmly warbling warbler, which
warmly warbling warbler warbles warmest?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Here's what Drudge has to say:

GLADIATORS OF AMERICA PREPARE FOR THEIR FATE...

The high priests of polling ordained that George Bush and John Kerry should both hold final rallies next to each other under the cliffs of downtown Milwaukee yesterday – Hector and Achilles finally meeting beneath the walls of Troy...

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I love The Drudge

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Did anyone else hear that, already, there's, like, 300,000 absentee ballots missing?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:39 (twenty-one years ago)

60K in florida alone, apparently.

and more everywhere else, one suspects.

can't find any mention of 300K on the newswires yet, tho...

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.wonkette.com/images/or%20you%20could%20say%20shes%20going%20as%20kerry.jpg

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

In other news, my gf informed me that she voted for Kerry in VA. < / yay>

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't have confirmation on the number, just that one of my lefty friends was freaking out about it on the phone to me yesetrday. I swore she said 300,000 though

Across the nation, lawyers are creaming their pants

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Aren't there 300,000 lawyers nationwide ready to pounce on this election?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone care to guess the Senate spread?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet it includes sauerkraut.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to note that right now is the closest we've ever come to having a Portuguese-African gazillionaire as first lady. If she loses, how long will it be before we get the next one?

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

not long enough

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet you include sauerkraut.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Moveon.org's Election Protection info card

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

WRT the pic upthread, is that the get-up Cheney keeps Mary in so nobody knows she's...y'know-- undead?

Oh, wait, I'm confusing attributes again, SHE'S gay, HE'S undead.

― Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted the saturday before this last one. felt good. however I used a diebold machine so Im not sure whether I actually 'voted' or not.

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

DOINK!

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

the Clown?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted last week, and it felt gooooooooooood.

― Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Checking in from Portland, OR, where I've already voted, and so has everyone I know... hooray for our all-absentee-ballot system...

― Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i feel disappointed in myself for not volunteering tonight

oh well

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

altho, i was belting out the lyrics to "ONE DAY MOOOOOOOORRRRREE" whilst driving home from work, and i dont' feel too bad about that

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel kinda bad for prioritizing my election party over volunteering in Wisconsin. But not *that* bad.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't have cable, but I know that they're voting in Dixville Notch right now. Let me know when Pat Buchanan wins again.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

i need to find a place to watch the daily show tomorrow...

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I kind of wish I had voted early but I wasn't sure where I could go to do that. Also a friend of mine witnessed irregularity during prevoting once.

Who's going before work? I think I'm going to have to wait b/c I can't afford to get to school that late. dammit.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush won Dixville Notch 19-7
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/election.main/

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

THE END TIMES

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

THE END TIMES? How so, Ned? You mean Dixville Notch?

― Star Hustler, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

He's just being a bitter punk. Pay him no mind, son.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Dixville Notch always goes republican.

― jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Does this mean that only 26 people voted in Dixville Notch? What's the pop. of this place?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

They're vampires

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Very rural. No shock that Bush won. At least Kerry had two or three households.

― Star Hustler, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the pop. of this place?

40. give or take 5 or 10.

― jim wentworth (wench), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I can already tell that this site describing election incidents is going to be invaluable throughout the coming day/days/weeks.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I have woken up with a thick blanketing of dread upon my mind. I fear the worst.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I forget, are you even American?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 08:55 (twenty-one years ago)

http://hubris.typepad.com/hubris/2004/10/new_pipa_study_.html

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not American, no. Doesn't stop me being extremely worried by the prospect of Bush winning a second term.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:12 (twenty-one years ago)

what on earth is an "election incident"?????

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:14 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.peanuts.com/comics/peanuts/archive/images/peanuts2033284041102.gif

― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I also have this dread.

I voted twice! They should be counting one. The fuckers better count it.

― sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm on less dread than you guys. Although it's tight I'll be shocked if Minnesota doesn't go to Kerry. Republicans *very* cagey on R4 this morning and not minded towards usual triumphant bollocks. Hoping crow on menu at White House by late tonight.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:23 (twenty-one years ago)

No offense Ricky, but we don't need your fear and dread.

I'll be shocked as well if Minnesota doesn't go to Kerry (which doesn't mean I'm not going to be knocking on doors all day).

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, the only things that benefit anyone good now are enthusiasm and resolve.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:36 (twenty-one years ago)

ONE MORE DAY
or
http://www.pixunlimited.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2004/11/01/smabll.jpg

I do hope Gordon Brown or Charles Kennedy get invited to washington before the mad eyed one in the Burka.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"And over to Kathy here with the weather..."

"Thanks, Osama. We're forecasting rain in Ohio and a rather ill wind farting out of Texas..."

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, I have my BBC news ticker, mopst of my IT bookmarks bar RSS feeds have been replaced with news or politics feeds, what else do I need.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, OK then Dan, I didn't realise that this thread was only for enthusiastic Americans.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 09:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's not like the result of the election would affect only the US...

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:07 (twenty-one years ago)

now tuomas, us europeans need to let the americans do their own thing, they're big enough and old enough now to be trusted with an election, oh hold on...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Screw what Dan said -- there's another thread specifically for optimism, and this isn't it. Here's my pessimist ranting:

1. The Democrats played to the center again, and it's too close to call. I cannot comprehend that this is good strategy given that there are some cheating Republican motherfuckers everywhere (and very much so in the battleground states) who are more than happy to bring this one home for W.

2. More problems with playing to the center: if Kerry wins and his term of office looks like his Presidential campaign sounded (God, Guns, and Grown-ups), there's no way I'd ever vote for him again; if his term of office looks like his prior career in Washington, I might vote for him again, but a hell of a lot of the conservatives he's courted in this election are going to feel ripped-off and pissed-off and aren't going to vote for him again.

3. If Kerry wins, the ideological center of the US will shift to the right again, slowly and nearly imperceptably, just like in the good ol' bad ol' Clinton days -- and Clinton was FAR less coy about gay rights and health care reform in his campaign than Kerry has been in his, and the results in the Clinton administration were the Defense of Marriage Act, Don't Ask Don't Tell, and a big ol' health care reform fiasco.

I'm not looking forward to the next couple of months.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/vote.gif

― stevie (stevie), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 10:32 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, ricky t has a right to be here. this isn't the 'americans, how did you spend your 2 nov day?' thread, it's about experiencing the election wherever you are.

i voted a couple weeks ago. i mailed by absentee ballot in the official envelope in a regular envelope to my mom (problems with royal mail getting confused by the absolutely stupid official envelope, which i can understand), on instruction from our township clerk.

she rang him, asked when she could bring it over, and he said 'oh, just put it in a plastic bag and hang it from my back door.'

eek.

she also made a point of telling him i was voting for him, so he really wouldn't want to 'lose' my ballot.

she said there were like 15 bags hanging from the door. this is what it's like to live in the country.

strangely, i still feel confident that my vote will count. that's the plus of having a neighbourly relationship with the guy that counts the votes, i guess.

am nervous today, but feel removed, like i'm watching through a thick bubble. weird. was participating so fully in 2000, and so expected to be on the trail this year that it's a bit of a letdown to just send an ballot in. hmm.

― colette (a2lette), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if they are going to count my vote or not. I called my polling place and they said that although I was registered, they hadn't received my request for absentee ballot. Then they told me that I should just send them the fed. emeg. absentee ballot and they would count it. I asked if they were sure they would count it even though they didn't have record of me requesting an absentee ballot, and they said yes. I called back a week later and they had received my ballot and I double checked that they would count it and they said yes.

Is there any way after the fact to find out if you vote has been counted?

― marianna, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is it that this election is such a shambles again?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Where's the impetus to de-shambles it? The bigger the mess, the less 'difficult' votes that are counted (overseas, newly registered) the better for the incumbent.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

It makes me wonder how shambolic British elections are and if we just don't hear about all the dubious stuff that might go on here.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't there some kind of independent electoral commission that looks after things? Sorry, I haven't really been following all this very closely and am perhaps naively appalled and confused.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I always thought that Brit ballot papers were all counted by Mrs Miggins of the local parish council, but this is what comes of the sort of faux-cuddliness you get when you vote in the hall of your old primary school.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 11:28 (twenty-one years ago)

where can I get state by state hour by hour exit pollS?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:16 (twenty-one years ago)

voted an hour ago. going to spend the evening and night with some friends around a tv we're very seriously going to smash if bush wins.

― el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, quick question:

In 2000, Bush was quite well ahead in the polls yet he only just scraped into office. This time, the polls are pretty much neck and neck. So yes, this looks good for Kerry (unless you take the view that it's always the incumbent party's support that is overestimated by polls)

But have the pollsters changed the way they count since then, to try to be more accurate? A similar thing happened here after the 1992 election. Are undecideds now being assumed to be mainly for Kerry?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

To be honest, I think the fact that Kerry is only neck and neck in the polls does not bode at all well for the final result - I think he needed to be ahead by now

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As long as the state-wide victories have clear margins, it don't matter how close the national race is going, though.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Going after work; hopefully the elderly and kiddies will be done by then.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I know, G. but that's a separate issue. Can anyone answer my question about polling methodology changes?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Pollsters may have changed their methods but the fact that they still, consistently I think, call land lines and not cell phones and, as a result, seem to underrepresent 18-29-y-o voters in their numbers, suggests that Kerry is perhaps a smidgen better off than their figures suggest.

As everyone keeps saying - it's all about turnout and, beyond that, who mobilises their support base better and - hopefully on a much smaller scale - how successful certain groups are in deterring/preventing people from casting their vote. I'm hopeful that the large turnout will swamp those negative factors this time.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, it's all so complicated. Fuck polls.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 12:56 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, for crying out loud. i know this has been said many, many times before, BUT WHAT KIND OF MORON IS UNDECIDED AT THIS POINT? you're either for evil, or against it. really. it's that simple, and i don't care if i sound like a raving lunatic.

― lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img3.exs.cx/img3/4792/electionbul.jpg

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:01 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a shame that such genius that created the above poster could be wasted by putting it to use for such fucking evil.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that genuine?

(I mean a genuine fake. You know what I mean.)

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep. It's real.. ie real fake. I hope they catch the asshole who did it too.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:12 (twenty-one years ago)

"Voting is a privilege"?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I got home late last night after a gig and there was a car in my spot, i.e. my reserved spot in front of my apartment that clearly no one is supposed to park in but me. Bumper stickers included "Bush/Cheney" and "Jesus Loves You, But Everyone Else Thinks You're an Asshole." First time I've ever keyed someone's car.

I'm going to vote now, and I'll be back on this thread later tonight expecting you lot to keep me updated since I don't get in any tv stations.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i took my dad to the polls for the first time ever today. it was awesome! then he told me he voted for bush. but then he told me he was joking, and it was awesome all over again.

― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Let it be known as Awesome Tuesday.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Please ignore Nick, politics gods, he knows not what he says ~~though he can probably point you to a thread about it from 2001~~

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:33 (twenty-one years ago)

what can you do?

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

he can do a little dance...

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, I see.

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:37 (twenty-one years ago)

RJG would you do a little dance for me if I ever visited Glasgow again?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

He can do an R JiG

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:42 (twenty-one years ago)

:-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I done did it. The sticker says so.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I read somewhere, Sullivan I think, that any exit polls might well be skewed depending on the amount of early voting and exactly who voted. But there's no reason one party or another should vote earlier more (is there?).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Democrat supporters vote later in the day because they're cool/slothful.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I am proudly weraing my sticker now, too.
Jordan, I don't have a TV either but NPR has coverage all night long! (What I love about NPR is that they try so very hard to be non-partisan, but you always know how they really feel by the comments that some people make)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Republicans get up before dawn to howl at the moon?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Judging by the other folks in line at my polling place, I am almost 100% certain Kentucky's marriage Amendment is going to go through. Fuck Kentucky.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

SEE, I TOO AM PREJUDICED.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Kenfucky

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope bush gets in cause if we're gonna have an apocalypse it better be good. I don't want no four horsemen showing up on shetland ponies.

― Nellie (nellskies), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I was early to the polls this morning, third in line with all the farmers and teachers. Could've voted absentee, but it's not as much fun. The line was long, but the atmosphere was low-key.

I've changed precincts in the last four years, and the method was different this time - last general elections we had machines, and this time it was the good old fill-in-the-oval ballot.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I was at my college - UMASS - yesterday, and the secretary of my department, who is wonderful, sweet, charming...stated that she is still undecided. Undecided in Massachusetts! I just left, shaking my head. That has to be the most fruitless position to be in - undecided in Massachusetts.

― aimurchie, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I already voted early this morning, but I didn't get a sticker or anything. Huge voter turnout, though.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, just got back.
Here's hoping my vote makes The Chimp die, just a little, inside.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah. Lots and lots of voter turnout.
And from the sounds coming from the inside of the booth, nobodies pulling party levers.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

ATTENTION ALL OTHER DANS ON ILE PLEASE CHANGE YR NAME TO A WHIMSICAL REFERENCE TO AMERICAN 70S SITCOMS LIKE "Willis" OR "Maude" SO THAT I DON'T CLICK ON A THREAD AND THINK "oh shit, when did I post to this and what did I say that got people all riled up" WHEN I HAVEN'T DONE SO YET OK THX

(ps Bush is staggeringly incompetent plz hit him with bats made of votes)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a sticker. It's stuck to my monitor right now because my shirt was being uncooperative. I voted @ a local elementary school. The parking situation was quite untenable, what with the construction going on and the lack of spaces and the folks in the super-vans taking up 3/4ths of the driving path with their outside-the-box parking technique. Once the curtain closed, I got a little nervous. I guess the Awesome Responsibility of flipping switches finally hit home. Now I hope to get through the rest of the day w/out hearing my boss talk shit about all those damn kids (LIKE ME BUSTER!) voting for a Liberal from Massachusetts.

(pps: How about a vote stick of bees?)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Very heavy turnout at the two precincts I was at earlier this morning (Cleveland inner-ring suburbs). Didn't see any challengers -- the appeals court decision allowing them didn't come down 'till late last night so I'm sure many of them didn't make it to the polling places by 6:30 AM. Given that the decision was going to come down late last night (if it was coming at all) anyone who thought they might be challenged should have shown up early.

― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

(votes made of bats)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted early this morning so that I could reap the benefits my voting sticker the entire day. Everything is 10% off with democracy.

― Dale Panopticalis (cprek), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

i didn't get a sticker. where's my sticker?

― results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I was tempted to take my scuffed dress shoe of votes to a GINORMOUS Bush / Cheney sign stuck in the lawn of a house probably 100 yards away from the school, but then I realized that it would be wrong to plotz on their right for folks to put ginormous signs in their lawn supporting a despicable presidential ticket. Plus, my car was nice & toasty.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I got yr sticker RIGHT HERE, baby!

Oh, wait - that should go on the sexism thread.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

should i go to the VOTERGASM party tonight?

― results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Despite being constantly urged to vote early, I've waited until today. There's been insane record lines at the early polling places. I figured that I would do it on the day when there's 400 polling places open instead of nine.

I did do my trick-or-treating two weeks ago. And I plan to open my Christmas presents after Thanksgiving dinner.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone explain one thing to me? Sites like electoral-vote.com seem to simply add up electoral votes based on statewise polls. Fair enough in itself, BUT: I seem to remember reading that Maine and Nebraska don't simply assign all electoral votes to one side, but rather split them? Why isn't this reflected on those sites?

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Because it would be a pain in the ass to add that wrinkle to all the poll aggregation?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:39 (twenty-one years ago)

We have touch screens here in IN. Should I be getting worried now.?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It would worry me, but then I am paranoid.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Also they had a virginian republican elector saying he would vote democrat, because it was his perogative, on the radio this morning.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OleM, there was a note about this on e-v.com a couple days ago -- ME and NE give one electoral vote to the winner of each congressional district in the state; the winner of the popular vote within the state gets a two-electoral vote bonus. Kerry was safely ahead in both CDs in Maine, ditto for Bush in all three CDs in Nebraska.

― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I seem to remember reading that Maine and Nebraska don't simply assign all electoral votes to one side, but rather split them? Why isn't this reflected on those sites?

Because, in all likelihood, all EC votes will go to the statewide winner in those states anyway. There was some chance of Kerry only taking ME 3-1 (losing one of the districts [1-1] but carrying the statewide poll [2-0]) but the latest figures suggest it's 4-0. Same with Nebraska for Bush.

Ed: it does occasionally happen; a DC elector cast a blank ballot in 2000 instead of one for Gore as a protest against DC's non-statehood.

Colorado are voting today on whether to go with a similar system but it looks like being rejected by a 2-1 margin.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Are these voting queues normal? I've only ever voted in the great nation of Podunkia, where I'm able to walk in, pull the lever, and get a free cow on the way out in about 30 seconds - I can't recall seeing any mention made of people in large metro areas waiting in line during the 2000 election, though.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted. Got the sticker. No lines whatsoever in New Jersey.

― mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel cheated because I didn't get a sticker.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I almost walked out without one and the guy said, "Hey, don't forget your sticker."

― mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

You are discount disenfranchised!

― Dale Panopticalis (cprek), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't recall seeing any mention made of people in large metro areas waiting in line during the 2000 election, though.

There were reports of people giving up queuing in Florida in 2000.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Weird reading about everyone voting already, then again I simply have no real opportunity to do so before I head into work (I'm out of the apartment by 6:20 and on the bus shortly thereafter). I'll be home and hopefully have voted by 5.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(And I really am most interested in the overall voter turnout numbers.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

There was a large voter turnout in 2000, at least in my precinct. I had to wait in line nearly 2 hours to vote! That's why I voted right when the polls opened, so I wouldn't have to wait this time. I still ended up having to wait about 25 minutes, but that's not really a length of time that I can complain about.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted. I only waited in line maybe half an hour. I was a little creeped out by the overbearing Republican judges, to be frank.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

On some thread yesterday, people were talking about how voting here in Chicago is always really crazy and crowded, so I took my bath last night and this morning Sarah and I got ready in like 15 minutes and left the house really early. However, the entire voting process (standing in line and voting) only took like 15 minutes, it wasn't that crowded yet. It would be fairly easy to vote multiple times in Chicago, if you were a good signature forger: I didn't have my registration card, and though I brought my state ID and some bills with my name on them, they didn't look at any of them. Only proof of ID required = that your signature matches up. Anyways, got things done. Voting for or against 800 judges was kind of tedious but I feel good and optimistic.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Hi everybody!

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted...and may my vote stick in Bush's craw like a pretzel going down the wrong way.

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

800 judges? Jesus, what did you do? I'm about to go vote here in a bit.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

It took my wife and I all of 6 minutes to walk into the place, sign in, vote, turn in our ballot, and sign out. AND NO FUCKING STICKER.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to Jeff and Michael for ME/NE electoral-vote info!

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

That means you can have another go, Dan.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

election poetry

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Getting a sticker is like getting your hand stamped, though. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Lauren is OTM.

John Zogby thrilled me last night by telling Paxman 'Undecideds are going 2-1 for Kerry - that's normal, that's historical'. With offhand, uninterested calm he seemed to unpick the stitches of the blanket of wickedness.

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Zogby predicted that Kerry would win on the Daily Show as well.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.merchdirect.net/x/detail_image.php?imageid=12671

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to say I'm feeling a little more confident and calm about this -- a little, not too much yet. Maybe I will start checking the NRO blog this evening after all if the laughs are already to be found.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I voted and it was quick and painless. 15 minutes INCLUDING registration. No sticker, though. I was a little torn when all the minor races in Wisconsin were between Democrats and Wisconsin Greens, though!

And damn did it feel good to vote for Russ Feingold.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

NO STICKER FOR ME EITHER! I did get a little voting receipt though. Most of the judges I just voted randomly for or against, except for the two that were proclaimed incompetent by all the bar associations. I read in the paper that female judges and judges with Irish surnames are typically voted for, so I made a point of voting against all female judges with Irish surnames. Highly scientific.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my favorite things was to vote for a guy I went to school with all the way back to 2nd grade for 88th district state representative. A guy that I know from firsthand experience is not a dildy.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I am founding AMERICANS FOR STICKERS as soon as I finish my concert tonight.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Missing stickers are nearly as important as missing ballots!

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a sticker, but it won't stay on - so what's the point?

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

This election needs more PUFF stickers.

― Dale Panopticalis (cprek), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Scratch'n'sniff stickers that either smell like an elephant or a donkey.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

n/a is my vice-president.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

He is a man of vision.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

And smell!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

What do the stickers say? Are they shiny?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I was in line for about 45-50 minutes this morning. That's the longest I've had to wait to vote. The line was longer when I left that when I got there.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I had a sticker. We don't get stickers for voting in the UK. We get them at the dentist though. What do the stickers say? (x-post)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I am getting really really worried about the time it is taking people to vote.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Took me no time at all. NO STICKER FOR ME EITHER. Bastards.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

but jeanne , your state is pure blue.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The stickers say "I voted". Mine does, at least.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The stickers say "I Voted. (Don't Kill Me P. Diddy)"

― Dale Panopticalis (cprek), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

It took me an hour, and I got there at 6:30am.

The sticker I got:
http://thm-b.search.vip.re2.yahoo.com/image/541951632

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I vote in NJ.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I got a sticker from the place I voted at today!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

If the stickers were BIM marks then we'd be talking.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

No sticker here, and I remembered later that there's a joint in town giving a free beer if you can prove you voted. Crap! Hopefully, the bar won't be staffed by Republican vote-challengers.

― briania (briania), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

My sticker says:

I VOTED TODAY!

With a large red checkmark (in a box) in place of the V. It's a round sticker (1" in diameter), so each word of that phrase has its own line (leaving a little space at the bottom for "SECRETARY OF THE STATE || CONNECTICUT" in small print).

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

What does it smell like?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.mickikrimmel.com/redcarpet/images/voted.jpg

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

It smells like FREEDOM!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that girl flipping us the bird?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Middle finger = voter's thumbs up.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I waited in line to vote from 6:45 am and I still got to work late.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

No sticker here but a receipt.

There is a strange sense of relief that nothing more can be done. But in a few hours that will turn into nerve-wracking vote-counting.

Kenan: you got my e-mail about the Cook County judges, right? I said NO to Dorothy Jones, Susan McDunn, and William O'Neal, I left another half-dozen or so blank (some sources recommended NO, but others said YES), and voted YES on the rest.

The ironic thing is that, yes, I got to work late today, but it has more to do with the fact that my car got a flat tire that needed to be fixed early this morning than the actual time I spent voting booth, which was about 15 minutes (and would've been less if I hadn't obsessively double-checked my ballot).

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

www.drudgereport.com

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm going to vote, but hearing stuff like that just makes it all seem so worthless.

Maybe Issac Asimov was right -- maybe we should develop a humongous super computer named Multivac and allow it to make these sorts of decisions for us.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, that is exactly what we should do.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

If Dan agrees with me, it must be so.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

And the same machine should be used to call balls & strikes in Major League Baseball games. And this machine should make a great frappuchino.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It should also have killer gams (by which I mean it should have chainsaws for legs).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Why does matt drudge link the 3am girls. Any independent report of ballot stuffing in Philidelphia?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

And you should be able to play Nethack on it. (uh, not that I'd want to, of course.)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I just keep hearing more and more stuff about the deficiencies of the voting system. It's just appalling. The queuing is bad enough when you've got people trying to keep down two jobs, but add to that electronic voting systems that no one seems sure about the paper trail for, and rumours of planned intimidation at the polling stations ("If you vote, they'll catch up with you for unpaid fines or child support payments" kind of stuff) and I get really worried. I just pray that that these are scare stories themselves, or at least that it doesn't end up being close enough for it to make a difference.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

my voting went really smoothly, should i be disappointed?

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Seeing as you got a sticker too, no.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

They had three lines at my polling place, all smooshed together, and way too close to the booths. The judge said, 'get in that line, right ahead of you.' Well, there were three different lines ahead of me, jumbled together, and I ended up accidentally cutting in front of a guy. I hope he doesn't think I was trying to keep him from voting.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I have just realized two things:

1. This is the first time in four years that I have watched CNN for more than ten minutes at a stretch.

2. CNN is even worse than I thought.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

guys i'm nervous.

i had a weird anxiety dream about the election involving a fat naked lady

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

John: I did get that email, and brough those names with me on a little slip of paper. I voted yes to all the other judges. Man, there were a lot of judges.

And now, the drinking.

2. CNN is even worse than I thought.

Oh man, you should try MSNBC. It's like watching Regis and Kathy Lee all fucking day long.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://users.wpi.edu/~wcoppock/edwardsnazi.jpg

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

That doesn't even make sense.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

(So why am I laughing?)

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

How does william Renquihst being in hospital affect things (other than the next prez being able to pick a supreme court judge)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as I can tell, it doesn't.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:48 (twenty-one years ago)

can he still judge from the grave if he keels over before the inaugaration of a new president?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

yes. yes he can judge for the grave.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, thanks to the insidious Zombie Judge clause passed by Bush I in 1990.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck this. Let's sing "Vertigo."

HELLO HELLO

(hola!)

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The queuing is bad enough when you've got people trying to keep down two jobs

I do think election day should be a national holiday, and point taken, but in many places, the polls are open from 6AM to 9PM. You're also allowed to take time off from work to vote by law in many places, provided that you're not able to vote in non-working hours. I'm not sure how this applies to the two-job situation.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M AT A PLACE CALLED VERTIGO

IT'S EVERYTHING I WISH I DIDN'T KNOW

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(My election monitor man was really hot. I felt bad even thinking that when the fate of the nation is at stake.)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

you guys are no damn fun.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

You shouldn't need to take time off work - they should staff/run the polling stations properly so that it only takes 20 mins max. Surely democracy is worth whatever that costs? It can't be that much - other countries manage it!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'm not saying our system is perfect, but it seems a paragon of modern democracy in comparison)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Other countries are a lot smaller and presumably their elections are nationalized where ours are federal.

And, as I pointed out with the times - most people don't need to take time off work. Part of the reason we're seeing lines is that a lot of people are excited enough about voting that they don't want to wait until Evening. I usually go an hour or two before the polls close. This time, I went in the morning.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If Bush loses, he's going to be the first incumbent with enthusiastic supporters to go down in a long, long time. Ford, Carter and Bush Sr. voters were pretty meh about their president, I gather. You may hate me for saying this, but what's the chance Bush could run again in 2008 after he loses? Or will the NRO crowd that currently think he's Churchill and Jesus combined dump him for being a loser?

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i missed no work to vote today, but i am taking off work tommorrow just because i want to stay up all night and watch the returns. i can't wait to hear bush's pathetic concession speech. ha! loser!

― Emilymv (Emilymv), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

If Bush loses, he will not run again. Maybe Jeb will? Or Arnold S (yes, I know, he can't, etc, yet)?

But we're getting ahead of ourselves here, and Mike McCurry has to defend this corner...

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I feel like it would be REALLY easy to screw up this election. Like Nick said, all they needed were our autographs. Anyone could easily find out who is registered, but not voting, memorize their signatures - eh voila! (not that I'm endorsing that)

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the most accurate national final poll in 2000 was Harris Interactive. their final poll out today has Kerry winning nationally 50-47, among Likely Voters. Their state polls say Kerry wins FL and OH 51-47 and PA 50-48.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Sarah: that's the way it's always worked in Chicago -- at least as long as I've been here.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I guess Chicago usually goes Democratic, so whatevs.

In Virginia, we had these fancy schmancy voting booths with levers and thick curtains.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

in many places, the polls are open from 6AM to 9PM

Well, in NJ, they're only open until 8. Since I often don't get back home until 7:30, it would be cutting it too close for me to try to vote after work. I suppose I could get up an hour earlier than usual to try to avoid being late for work, but it doesn't seem like we should be making voting such an inconvenience for people. Don't we as a democracy have an interest in encouraging civic participation?

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I've always voted that way in Texas, too. Signature, punchcard, fairly lackadaisical.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually had to show ID in order to vote this morning. I can't remember having to do that before. They said something on the news about new voter ID requirements, but I didn't catch the details.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted in the Chicago suburbs, and they were asking for ID.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

So, honestly - are we seeing mainly optimistic polls, commentary etc. because that's what we want to see? Are people ignoring the GOP-friendly polls and factoids on this and other threads? Cos it's all looking pretty decent right now. Can anyone give me CURRENT bookies' odds?

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

SOmebody link some good current polls. The TV is giving me jack squat.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone told me that they aren't technically required to ask for ID. I don't know if that's just Chicago?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

For the book-makers odds:

www.tradesports.com

Right now this favors Bush, about 56-44.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but betting odds aren't real odds.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay - UK bookmakers Ladbrokes and Blue Square: Rep 4/6, Dem 11/10

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Fittingly, after months of going back and forth between Bush and Kerry, Slate.com's electoral scorecard on Election Day has the two candidates' projected electoral votes both at 269. (Unfortunately, though, that would push the election to Bush, since the vote would then go to Congress.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:22 (twenty-one years ago)

recounts have already started in Florida, according to Pandagon.net..

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, at least they're getting a jump on it.

Ohio is going to be the real shit this time.

― Kenan (kenan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Pennsylvania

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

1693 posts by tomorrow at noon. Although at the rate this thread is going, that may be an underestimate.

I like how CNN has the countdown clock going : 6:32:22 until the first poll closes! It's like those billboards that would count down the seconds to the year 2000, starting at 39 488 398 or something.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Question: are there votes being cast for the Senate and Congress today as well? The impression I've got from passing mentions on the BBC news coberage is yes, but there's zero chance of either house changing hands so nobody's bothering to cover these races. Is that right?

― zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The Electoral Votes guy has it Kerry by one electoral vote. And he's a Democrat. The Election Projection guy (Republican) is calling it massively for Bush.

― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Drudge is claiming that poll watchers have discovered vote fraud across Philadelphia (yeah right)

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Question: are there votes being cast for the Senate and Congress today as well?

Very much so. All the Representative seats are always up for election every two years. A third of the Senate seats are up for election every two years.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

(So to give you an idea, in California the other major statewide vote is for Senator -- incumbent Boxer and Everyone Else, essentially.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Drudge is claiming that poll watchers have discovered vote fraud across Philadelphia (yeah right)

It's happened there before, Milo.

― don carville weiner, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I showed i.d. to register, they took down my driver's license # and everything.

A friend said that at her polling place, an elderly gentleman went back over to the poll workers and said "he'd made a mistake on his ballot." Where was the ballot? In the counting machine, of course. I don't even want to know how that situation ended up.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Thousands of pre-loaded ballots when they know the poll-watchers are going to be snooping around - not exactly plausible.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i voted this morning in a very minority neighborhood in philadelphia - while i was signing in, a white guy, mid-20s came in and said, "i'm with the republicans, can i look at the tallies on the machines?" the sign-in lady was shocked, and said he'd have to talk to the judge. so he asked the judge, and the judge was all cool with it.

i was a little freaked out, but reading the drudge thing at least explains what the guy was doing. but i will go postal if they impound the machine in my district. or any of the other philly districts.

― the leglo (the leglo), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

What was he doing?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:31 (twenty-one years ago)

He wanted to jack off to the numbers, I guess (how sad for him if that turned out to not be the result he wanted).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted this morning, not based on the issues, but exclusively based on getting that sticker!

Well, the issues didn't hurt, either. What's funny is that my "I voted" sticker is actually all lowercase, so it reads "i voted !", which is weird, since it looks like someone exclaiming "voted" in Spanish.

Anyway, in Oak Park (right outside Chicago by a few feet) it only took a few minutes. I had my voter ID card, so it was a cinch - just signed something. I did overvote the first time (all those damn judges screwed me up), but even though I know which useless race got the double votes, I just filled out a new ballot instead. My wife went a couple of hours earlier than me and said there were no lines, but she has co-workers who waited an hour and a half to vote in Chicago proper.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

my friend just called me and told me he isn't voting today. after months of harassing me for voting for Kerry. his reasoning was that he will vote bushie and his wife will vote kerry. I hung up on him.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

A funny thing is: I just went looking for ILM threads about the last election, and there were none in 2000.

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

why has Bush visited PA more than any other state? why did he support Specter? why did he bus in out-of-staters for a huge rally a few days ago? he can't win, but wants to bring it close enough to steal. the voter 'fraud' there consists of pretending that the machine's record of the number of elections in which it has been used is a record of votes cast in this election. i.e. it's total bullshit. but it's a big city with a black mayor and the GOP thinks it can convince its supporters that that automatically = fraud.

The impression I've got from passing mentions on the BBC news coberage is yes, but there's zero chance of either house changing hands so nobody's bothering to cover these races.

there are votes being cast everywhere for the House, and in many places for the Senate. the chance of the Senate changing hands may be less than 50-50, but is definitely more than zero. there's almost no chance of the House changing.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:36 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost

well, i think was a "poll-watcher" and was looking to see if there were a bunch of votes already cast on the machine, before the polls opened. or if there were more votes listed than people that signed in.

i think if he was trying to get off, he would be disappointed, since my neighborhood is super blue.

also, nbc10.com in philly is reporting the story now, with rebuttel from the local election officials.

― the leglo (the leglo), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope his wife goes to vote secretly. What a dick.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:37 (twenty-one years ago)

My boss has mentioned a number of times that she is a Democrat but that her husband is staunchly Republican. So yesterday, I asked if her husband was voting for Keyes (I was curious, since basically no one is voting for Keyes) and she said "Oh no, he's not voting. He has never voted." WTF? Can you even call yourself a Democrat or a Republican if you don't vote? Not that I'm complaining about a Republican not voting, but still, WTF?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

right, he's playing the game I referenced above

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

gabbneb otm

― the leglo (the leglo), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:38 (twenty-one years ago)

okay, this was way up there, but this:

The Democrats played to the center again, and it's too close to call. I cannot comprehend that this is good strategy

baffles my mind. Fucking Kucinich didn't win the nomination for a reason. Why? BECAUSE HE WAS TOO LEFT LEANING. Most of the country does not lean that far left. So what would you have the party do? Run a candidate that no-one in the party identifies with, that all of the republicans hate, that most of the country sees as an extremist? I'm sorry to report that nearly half of the US identifies itself as evangelical or born again. These people vote and they aren't going to go away, regardless of how much we'd like them to. Playing to the center is the only way to win.

Also, in case you've NEVER PAYED ATTENTION TO POLITICS, candidates run on things that they have no intention of doing once they're in office. Kerry is running on God and Guns to get elected. Why would you assume that he would suddenly reverse his stances on everything else he's stood for during his years in the senate?

Damnit sometimes the far left pisses me off as much as the far right. Politics is comprimise and making the majority happy. BUsh hasn't been doing this so that's why I don't think he'll win. But someone more left leaning the Kerry certainly isn't the answer.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah he went on to say before i hung up "I made the decision that neither of us will vote, there is no point." Again, I seriously wonder why I consider these fucking ponces my friends.

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Politics is compromise. It isn't pandering.

If you're content to let the country slide ever rightward, then Kerry and the practice of running to and governing from the center-right is great. Scratch and claw for the status quo, screw progress. Some people don't find that acceptable.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

kyle OTM. I hate to say it, but none of Kerry's primary opponents would have made it this close.

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:44 (twenty-one years ago)

but it's a big city with a black mayor and the GOP thinks it can convince its supporters that that automatically = fraud.

Yes, because the GOP is inherently racist. Voter fraud has never been legitimately linked big cities or black mayors and is merely a facade for the GOP to suppress and disinfranchise.

― don carville weiner, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

so there's a record of voting fraud among black mayors?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

― don carville weiner, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Damnit sometimes the far left pisses me off as much as the far right

Well, the 'far left' (some hippie Democrat??) never opposed my rights, so I'll have to disagree with that.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Talking Points quotes an AP story about that whole Philadelphia thing:

An army of zealous, partisan political operatives descended on polling locations around the state Tuesday, looking for any signs of voting irregularities, and election officials planned to spend the day investigating fraud allegations.

Republican observers in Philadelphia lodged some of the earliest complaints, claiming that voting machines in the city already had thousands of votes recorded on them when the polls opened at 7 a.m.

City election officials and the district attorney rushed to some of the precincts in question, and quickly said the GOP poll watchers had gotten it wrong.

Deputy City Commissioner Ed Schulgen and Cathie Abookire, a spokeswoman for District Attorney Lynne Abraham, said the observers had pulled the numbers from an odometer that records every vote ever cast on the machine in every election - and not the counter that records how many votes will be counted for this election.

"It's absolutely ridiculous," Schulgen said.

Ridiculous or not, rumors of widespread fraud quickly made their way on to the Internet and circulated nationally.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

So essentially two things -- like TPM says, this is typical Roveish strategy (I fully believe that), or this is sublime dumbassness supreme (I fully believe THAT as well).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are these people allowed to enter polling locations? What's the legal argument behind it?

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I stood in line for thirty minutes. That's the first time that it's taken so long. I stood there trying to scrutinize each voter as they walked out, trying to figure out who they voted for. You should've seen the cute girl behind me. Thirty minutes is a long time. One's mind begins to wander.

I voted inside of a Methodist church. A portrait of Jesus looked down at me as I voted. I think that He would've approved of my straight Democratic ticket. Health care, no war, and rights for everyone. It felt good.

Now, I'm all antsy and bored. Something tells me that it's going to be a long night. Help us nip it in the bud, Jesus. Amen.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 17:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Just fulfilled my obligation as an American citizen...I have never been so proud to fill in a little oval than I was darkening the one next to John Kerry's name.

I'm glad I didn't run into a Republican poll watcher goon--I was so enraged hearing about it on NPR on the way to the polls that I probably would have broken their jaw.

― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

it took me an hour to vote this morning. no problems, but a really, really long line, and a lot of propositions and local measures on the ballot (in berkeley), which it seems no-one else bothered to read up on until they got in the booth.

My wife's name is never on the roster. It's only ever on the third list of names they have of "people who didn't vote in the last election." We don't know why this is. She always gets a ballot though.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was about to say, do these poll-checking folks think that they're going to be made welcome in many spots? I wouldn't be surprised to hear about random acts of spontaneous physical activity in their general direction. Not THRILLED to hear it per se...but I'd still laugh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:04 (twenty-one years ago)

the other part of the Drudge 'story' was that someone flashed a gun at some of the Philly watchers. I kind of hope that part was true.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I showed up, there was a long line. I showed my registration form to a lady. She said...go to that table, and pointed to the other side of the church, where there was no line. I walked up and gave it to them. 1 second later they showed me a page with my signature on it. They said, sign and go in the booth. I looked up, there were 2 booths, one in front of me, one in front of the 50+ person line. I went in, voted straight democratic. Walked out. Said "Is that it?" and they said goodbye, see you next year, thank you. The only difference I saw in the two lines was a district number. Now my neighborhood is very diverse, being the brooklyn of housing projects 2 blocks away from multi-million dollar brownstones. I'm wondering if the line on the right was the district that was more Park Slope (wealthy people), while mine was more Gowanus (not so wealthy), and if that meant nobody from the projects were voting. Or if everyone in my district voted before work, while the district to the right of me was all stay-at-home moms(there were lots of strollers. Then I asked the woman outside what was up and she said the other line was for people who's names weren't in the book, and my line was for people whose names were. Was I the only person there who had registered? Who knows.

btw, the voting machines were totally simple.

Then I came home and on c-span some guy was calling in and said "thing is, the republicans are trying to get the legal vote, while the democrats are trying to get more votes, Bush will win if they count the legal vote, but the democrats will win if they count all the FRAUDULENT, HIP-HOP votes" at which point I threw my tv out the fucking window. If Bush wins it's because most of america is FUCKING STUPID. The Republican party and people very closely associated have been pulling the most incredible dirty tricks to fuck with the process and there are still people that think there is a democratic conspiracy to tamper with the votes. It makes me sick.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Won't the queueing problems become much worse after 5 o'clock?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Frank Buckley on CNN : "here we see John Kerry coming out of the state house, I'm pretty sure that he voted for himself and John Edwards ..."

O.M.G.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry: "Actually I voted for Jesus Christ like Roxy's friend suggested."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry totally voted for Nader.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

the democrats will win if they count all the FRAUDULENT, HIP-HOP votes"

as you were saying, Don

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Vote rockists.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted for a tugboat captain as Clerk of the Peace!

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I have never been so proud to fill in a little oval than I was darkening the one next to John Kerry's name.

Did you vote by Scantron?!?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

But someone more left leaning the Kerry certainly isn't the answer.

Yeah, Kyle OTM about this. Especially when half the country already thinks (incorrectly) that Kerry is the most liberal member of the Senate!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Not to flog a dead horse or anything, but holy shit there are so many blithering idiots at large it's FRIGHTENING.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

(That lifelong Republican undecided voter on This American Life I mentioned yesterday said that he would've voted for a more moderate Democrat, someone like Clinton, in a heartbeat!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(that was an xpost to myself)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Kyle -- there's this cool thing you can say in German when you're interlocutor distorts your position really wildly, or otherwise makes some sort of accusation that doesn't have a whole hell of lot to do with what you've said or done: "ich fühle mich nicht angesprochen", which literally means "I don't feel like I'm being talked to/about here". It also kind of means "whatever, dude."

Anyway, that's what I'd say to you now if we were talking in German.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

as you were saying, Don

GOP demands for a picture ID are unreasonable, racist, and rockist. I demand an end to the surpression and intimidation.

― don carville weiner, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Republicans attact Rock the Vote, MTV. (Democracy what?)

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

My co-worker wrote in Ignatius O'Reilly for Judge.
My other one said she really wants the bumper sticker that reads "No one ever died for a blow job." I like finding out the the majority of my workplace is "flaming Liberals."

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my coworkers told me today, that voting for Kerry = the draft. He said, "25% of the military will quit if Kerry was elected." He also said that he'd kept his "ear to ground" and that he "knows thing from listening closely to British and American intelligence" reports. I asked him what things, but he refused to say and then walked off saying that I'll be sorry for voting for Kerry (I guess when I get drafted.) It was fascinating. Another coworker (who was having difficulty keeping a straight face) is convinced that he might have been high, but he seemed pretty sober to me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I will believe the "it's too close to call" camp once it's actually too close to call.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

But they think that Kerry is the most liberal because media outlets pumped up that one rating. Rather than arguing that being liberal isn't so bad (if you like voting and minimum wages and public schools) you run away scared.

Somehow I suspect that the Democratic Party can't keep running away forever.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

"GOP demands for a picture ID are unreasonable, racist, and rockist. I demand an end to the surpression and intimidation."

A nice national ID card would solve a lot these problems. Too bad some people think that such a card would = total infringement of individual rights. If this election is a complete bollocks, I have a feeling this may change though.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush has been phoning people? Man that would be an odd phonecall.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:30 (twenty-one years ago)

One of my coworkers told me today, that voting for Kerry = the draft

well I seriously doubt that the Army will just "quit" (uh, you can't just quit the Army). But it is worth noting that Kerry would not rule this out in the debates as strongly as Bush would, and said that the armed forces would have to be increased. HOWEVER, I don't believe Bush for one fucking second that he wouldn't instate the draft if he had to. I'm less inclined to believe that Kerry would push for it having been in Vietnam. ON the other hand, I don't know how they plan on increasing the armed forces. They'd better make the pay and veterans benefits a whole lot better or something.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost)

"I'd like your vote on Nov 2nd"

http://www.setel.com/~ccprek/pics/bushphone.jpg

― Dale Panopticalis (cprek), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Don, at the core you have a point that I agree with, but you are throwing it at statements that seem to be completely unrelated to them (ie, what does a loony calling into a radio show have to do with the GOP wanting to make sure that non-registered voters aren't stuffing the ballot box, you big goofy madman?).

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Clinton and James Earl Jones called my house yesterday. I hung up before they said much, but I think James Earl Jones was just advertizing for Verison.

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU HUNG UP ON DARTH VADER??????????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:33 (twenty-one years ago)

GOP demands for a picture ID are unreasonable, racist, and rockist

actually, I'd go with 'fascist' first.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

From a friend in Ohio via a mass e-mail:

Debacle 2004 is going remarkably well in Ohio, at
least from my experience and from the word on the
street here in Dayton. Let's hope that's the rule and
not the exception.

I waited in a short line - the woman at the front told
the poll workers it had been so long since she voted
that she didn't remember what to do - and everyone
I've talked to has waited, too. No one has seen any
of these GOP poll watchers; either there are fewer
than expected or they're very well disguised as
regular poll workers, because God knows my precinct is
one they would target. The people working the table
seemed like they were pretty tough. I would trust
them to kick out disruptive types.

P. Diddy called me again this morning; Bill Clinton
has called me three times in the last three days; I'm
still waiting for my favorite, yo yo yo this is Spike
Lee! to call again. My mom doesn't even call me that
much.

Don't you wish you lived in a battleground state?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

When I voted, the only ID I had was an expired license with the wrong address that no longer looks like me.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

FRAUDULENT, HIP-HOP votes"

Phrase of the election.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, if Spike Lee would call me, I'd be all, "YO SPIKE, THEY WOULDN'T LET ME TAKE YOUR CLASS FRESHMAN YEAR; WHAT'S UP WITH THE STUPID ROLLING SHOT?"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Fascist is a much better term, you're right about that Gabbneb.

Desperate times like these call for not only mass hysteria, but mass hyperbole.

― don carville weiner, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

and May the Force Be With Us

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

vs. class hyperbole vs. ass hyperbole = Sir Mix-A-Lot, Political Analyst for the Nation.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, the Board of Elections workers here have big green name tags, so at least in this part of OH it would be tough for the D/R challengers to disguise themselves as BOE.

I got calls from Clinton, Kerry, John Glenn, and Ben Stein in recent days.

― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

that's right, a little fascism won't hurt

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

If Ben Stein called me, I'd be all, "BITCH, I'MMA WIN THAT MONEY!"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Republicans attact Rock the Vote, MTV. (Democracy what?)
-- Je4nne ƒury (jeanneƒur...), November 2nd, 2004.

Well, it is pretty obvious, no? Like the shock when Kid Rock said "who are you gonna trust, a rock star or donald rumsfeld?" on TRL and the TRL guy stuttered "yeah yeah well that's what great about democracy, even Kid Rock can have his opinion".

Related: Which pop stars aside from Nas and Talib Kweli has said that they are not voting and are not encouraging anybody to vote?

/Sebastian

― Essdot, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:51 (twenty-one years ago)

nas said that? fuck.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

krs, dead prez (obv)

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

MY WORLD IS SHATTERED

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

as long as Kelis voted (hers should count as two)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"My voteshake brings all the boys to the yard"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a sticker! Unfortunately it says 'I voted touchscreen' so I feel like a douchebag.

― still bevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

On the ballot in KY today is an Amendment to the State Bill Of "Rights" stating that KY will only recognize marriages as between a man and a woman. Somebody put a little leaflet supporting the Amendment in my box here at work. Here are, as it calls them, some "Points Of Concern":

1. Same-sex marriage always denies children either their mother or their father.
2. Same-sex marriage results in gender becoming meaningless, motherhood and fatherhood unnecessary.
3. Same-sex marriage is a vast, untested social experiment that may be inflicted upon the next generation of children.
4. Same-sex marriage advocates tout diversity, but their households only offer "sameness" for their children.
5. Same-sex marriage is oftentimes portrayed as a civil right, but it's actually more of a self-centered demand.
6. If same-sex marriage is authorized, it will be taught in public schools as one of each student's "choices".

If only you guys could see the cartoons illustrating each point.

This Amendment is expected to pass by some 70%.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Three and five are the ones that bother me the most, I think.l

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Nas said, on Mtv, "i'm not knocking diddy or russell, and I do believe that politics can make a change. But in this election i dont see that happening". He gave the impression to be more than just "i just don't give a fuck"-ish about the whole situation.

― Essdot, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

we have a similar amendment porposed. It's ahead in the polls, but it was falling fast last week. it just may fail...

xpost

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

porpoised.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I have often discussed the idea of a national ID card like they have in France and I don't immediately find it fascist. I'd rather use a national ID card than use my Social Security for stuff like health insurance and whatnot. Nationally mandated and supervised elections whould rid us of the state by state, county by county discrepencies and discrimination that have sullied our politics for too long.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

no. 4 is incredible. "two men marrying each other? that's so boring! can't you mix it up a little or something?"

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Ball gags & French Maid dresses to KY!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Another choice line from this pamphlet (from the Q&A section).

Q: Do we really need a state constitutional amendment?
A: Absolutely. In recent years, even in recent months, it has become painfully clear that we are no longer a nation under the rule of law, but rather we are under the rule of judges.

NICKALICIOUS'S ADVICE TO SUPPORTERS OF THIS AMENDMENT: LEARN SOME BASIC POLITICAL SCIENCE DOUCHEBAGS

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:06 (twenty-one years ago)

So I showed up at my precinct polling location at exactly 7 am this morning, only to be greeted by 100 other eager voters waiting in an enormous queue. 2 hours later... hurrah, I've voted! BUT NO STICKER. :(

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

That KY thing is so lame. I've known lots of kids raised in same sex households. They were no more nor less fucked up than kids in male/female or single parent families.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

KY to KY!

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon Snow on Channel 4 News here in the UK:

"...queues at the polling stations reminiscent of South Africa's first Free Elections."

hehehehe

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

If it passes, could the constitutional amendment be challenged & stricken on the grounds that that isn't what a constitution is? So just by definition of "Constitution", that amendment doesn't fit and is therefore not only invalid, but renders the entire document invalid.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:11 (twenty-one years ago)

But then, if the Constitution is invalidated, then it makes it easier for Nick Cage to abscond with it and find TREASURE!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Same-sex marriage always allows children either TWO mothers or TWO father (double yer pleasure!)
2. Same-sex marriage results in gender becoming meaningless making it easier to shop for clothing.
3. Same-sex marriage is a vast, untested social experiment that may be inflicted upon the next generation of children, unlike hetero marriages which have been tested and failed.
4. Same-sex marriage advocates tout diversity, but their households only offer "sameness" for their children, except when it comes to interior design. Woo boy!
5. Same-sex marriage is oftentimes portrayed as a civil right, but it's actually more of a self-centered demand, cuz really everything is a self-centered demand when you come down to it.
6. If same-sex marriage is authorized, it will be taught in public schools as one of each student's "choices". "Would you like to take same-sex marriage as one of your electives? It replaces gym."

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I voted at noon, it took five minutes, i did have to show ID....and there were piles of stickers sitting in a basket by the ballot machine, AND I TOOK A WHOLE HANDFUL AND AFFIXED THEM ALL OVER MY BODY! Sorry Dan.
Salon.com is updating "War Room" (a column) news very regularly today - lots of interesting stuff, and I believe you can still do the free day pass thing. Today would be the day - tons of great articles as well.

― aimurchie, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Huge white billboard at La Cienega and Culver Blvds in L.A. has been graffitied with "VOTE BITCHES" and then in smaller letters underneath "Rick James". I'm going to try and take a picture later.

Took me 45 minutes to vote this morning.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

>we have a similar amendment porposed. It's ahead in the polls, but it was falling fast last week. it just may fail...

Dave, I hope you're right, but realistically I can't see it failing. I'm sure in a lot of the counties downstate they'll get 85-90% in favor.

― Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Rick James, a believer in a true democracy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

the republican governor and two republican senators as well as the conservative newspapers have all spoken out against the amendment - so I'm hopeful still.

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Would you like to take same-sex marriage as one of your electives? It replaces gym."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The thing that is REALLY annoying about the Amendment is that it is same-sex marriages are ALREADY illegal in Kentucky (thanks to a COURT DECISION HAHAHAHA). This motion is really absolutely nothing more than cynical pandering to a certain constituency.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Moore's final message before the election is great! "There’s a reason Bush calls Kerry the Number One Liberal in the Senate – THAT’S BECAUSE HE IS THE NUMBER ONE LIBERAL IN THE SENATE! What more do you want?"

He has a lot of other good points as well. And I'm not a Moore worshiping fanboy either!

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I am. I like that phrase of his, though I don't imagine it winning everyone in the US over.

Is it true that we get the Ohio result at 12:30 UK time??

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The polls close at 1:30 UK time , so .. no..?

― dave225 (Dave225), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

SPOILER ALERT

Wonkette:
K/B

AZ 45-55
CO 48-51
LA 42-57
MI 51-48
WI 52-48
PA 60-40
OH 52-48
FL 51-48
MICH 51-47
NM 50-48
MINN 58-40
WISC 52-43
IOWA 49-49
NH 57-41

I have been asked to clarify: The little birdie is not Joe Trippi nor anyone he works with.

In fact, the little birdie is really skittish and not exactly trustworthy in all cases. Please vote, even if you live in PA. These could be total forgeries, designed to keep you from voting. As a friend put it, "The Yankees always figure out a way to win."

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want to commend Kenan's efforts to make everybody sign "Vertigo." It's really the perfect piece of inanity to while away the awkward hours one endures after voting (which I did - in PA! - and I got a sticker, but I don't wanna wear it).

UNO! DOS! TRES! QUATROSE (or however you spell it)!

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

sing "Vertigo," I mean. Please do not sign "Vertigo" at your polling place.

― manthony m1cc1o (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"The Yankees always figure out a way to win."

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041030/capt.bx11010301755.red_sox_parade_bx110.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i totally heart wonkette

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

HOLA!

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Given what I've heard from friends in MN, I have no problem believing that MN projection.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

HELLO HELLO!

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/entertainment/0010/wb.u2.retrospective/7.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you, Daver, for destroying whatever good will I was feeling towards U2.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The polls close at 1:30 UK time , so .. no..?

No, OH polls do shut at 12:30am GMT. No result then, obv, but a flurry of exit polls pretty sharpish, no doubt.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMUUUUUUUUUUN

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, he looks like The Joker.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Channel 4 news was just interviewing a Bush-supporting Tom Wolfe.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Hippy!

― John Cei Douglas (John Cei Douglas), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

blimey, america is RUBBIDGE. this whole vote is making you look like a third world country. it has never taken me more than 5 minutes to vote. might it not be an idea to just have the preznitial election on a separate day to everything else, like by a week or something?

also, on bbc ldn "today's the day the world's biggest democracy goes to the polls". i had no idea india was having an election today as well...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno if the nets are going to be calling any early states until the West Coast polls close at 11 PM Eastern. But the first batch of polls close at 7PM. They include Virginia. I wouldn't be surprised if someone announces shortly thereafter that it's too close to call.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:51 (twenty-one years ago)

http://contrapositive.blogspot.com/2004/10/election-night-cheat-sheet-as-promised.html

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

might it not be an idea to just have the preznitial election on a separate day to everything else, like by a week or something?

I think if we did this we'd wind up with a hundred senators who were all related to one another.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

CARSMILE: YOU HATE FREEDOM!

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

might it not be an idea to just have the preznitial election on a separate day to everything else

Elections cost money.

― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

huh, why would that happen (genuine question by a naive english)?

why would letting everyone vote quickly and easily be anti-freedom (i realise you're semi-teasing mandee ;))?

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

right i'm going home. next time i post will be tomorrow morning GMT so expect agonised vitriol...

(mainly cos i'll have been up since 5 but also probably THE OUTCOME)

good luck anyway (if Kerry wins i'll play 'Good Luck' loud as i can at all opportunities and make obscene gestures at pictures of Dubya. if Bush wins i'll do the same but the soundtrack will instead be that Buckethead one about being cast into Hades bereft of pants)

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Sullivan just quoted an NRO blogpost and it's a panicky beaut:

Do not, again, do not take any exit poll resports too seriously. JUST GET OUT THE VOTE. Exit polls not always reliable, ESPECIALLY early ones. AND, this isn't over until the polls close. So please get to work while there is still time.
DO NOT get depressed. DO NOT get mad. JUST GET OUT THE VOTE.

(Keep in mind two weeks ago they were saying things like "Can't we have the election tomorrow so Bush can win and we can go home?")

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone know where the b3ta style flash animation they played at the end of channel 4 news is. Bush and kerry doing bohemian rapsody, supreme court justices singing 'no,no,no, we will not count the vote', 'count the votes' etc.?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.flowgo.com/funpages/view.cfm/6019

haha, i found from the freeps!!

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

FREEDOM ISN"T DOM!

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

(ha)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

(he's right, freedom is totally Bolli)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

damnit move the US to a more convenient time zone for UK election watchers, or do the election early in the morning, like world cup football matches in inconvenient time zones.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that flash anim is funny but comes off as a bit too anti-Kerry for my liking

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

argh, really going home now

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.royhooper.com/charo_photo_flag2.gif

Charo is very proud of all you voters.

― Charo ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

the corner is a treat right now

― Sympatico (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Chora is also very proud of her tiny little camel toe.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Chora is the name of Dan's 6 year old niece for those wondering

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

PWNED

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i have to get away from my computer else i waste my entire day toggling between drudge, wonkette, and slate. koritfw!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

got in line at 9:45, voted at 11:00... don't wait to vote if you haven't. leave now.

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve: I'm actually not sure specifically how my joke works, but the root of it is that Americans are pretty bad at voter turnout to begin with. The hard-to-ignore presidential race is kind of the only thing getting a lot of people into the booths to begin with; put it on a separate day and you'd get really depressing turnout to vote senators, congressmen, and state and city positions. Besides which, as mentioned, it's just kind of logistically wasteful: if you already have to show up once and get in the booth, how would it make anything easier to have to do it twice?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

(so ppl on the optimism thread are talking about 80% turnouts, but what proportion of americans are registered?)

oh i understand nabisco, i was kind of just trying to think of ways around people waiting in line for an hour and a half...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I waited happily and talked with my neighbors.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Blimey those Move On ppl are pesky. Last week I told them at our doorstep that we have been waiting four years to vote against GWB once again and stated very clearly that we would be voting on 11.2. Today: early AM phone call, followed by email from Robert Redford (the senile man gave us the wrong voting location but that's okay 'cause we figured we knew better), and then we returned home from voting to find a handwritten post-it affixed to our door asking if we had voted yet and to please vote for John Kerry.

― Andy K (Andy K), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

sooo, did that stupid sinclair anti-kerry thing run last night or not? I don't think we have a sinclair station here. Frontline re-rant it's Bush/kerry story special from a few weeks ago. Bush does not come across well in that.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Like Pinefox and any other UK viewers, I found Zogby's words wonderfully encouraging... I'm looking forward to seeing Paxman again on Newsnight (he did a very good, world-weary report on the military and San Diego last night), and then watching it through the night on the BBC.

Let's hope the turnout really is going to be Bush's death knell. The exit poll numbers cannot be taken too seriously, of course... there must be no triumphalism until actual results start coming out, *but*, it seems there is cause for optimism.

Good luck all; here's to a Kerry win in the ECV and popular vote... 'it was the Guardian wot won it' ;)

― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Glad to see my donation to Moveon went to pestering Kellman to vote for Kerry!

I went to vote this morning but the line was way too long for me to make it to class on time so I'm gonna go again shortly.... I'll be bringing a book.

I heart Wonkette too. I pray those are the official exit poll numbers (methinks they might be given the Drudge ALERRRRRT that Kerry should be happy with them even though more women blah blah Republicans grumble).

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

peter snow has some awesome info-graphics, finally bbcs news has surpassed the day today's wildest imaginings.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the corner is a treat right now

I dare not read it now until I'm more absolutely sure...but how desperate are they?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

The four disembodied Bush heads from the Bohemian Rhapsody flash are terrifying.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

flash has become the most unfunny thing on the internet.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

America needs peter snow, he has a virtual whitehouse lawn with a wizzy 3d map of the US

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/ukfs_news/hi/newsid_3970000/newsid_3973800/bb_rm_3973881.stm

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are those exit poll numbers coming from? Anyone have a site to track exit polls?

― mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Right now, the funniest thing on the Internet is still Blount's monster dunk on me upthread.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with what TOMBOT said on some other thread re polling: better probability estimates are probably what the money says in trading... At intrade.com, Bush's price has plummeted from about 54 (viz %) to about 42 in a couple of hours or so! Liking it.

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(I didn't mean exit polls there, btw)

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Slate is publishing these exit-poll numbers:

Florida
Kerry 50
Bush 49

Ohio
Kerry 50
Bush 49

Pennsylvania
Kerry 54
Bush 45

Wisconsin
Kerry 51
Bush 46

Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 47

Minnesota
Kerry 58
Bush 40

Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 50

New Mexico
Kerry 50
Bush 48

North Carolina
Kerry 49
Bush 51

Colorado
Kerry 46
Bush 53

"Other exit-poll results have arrived in more vague form, with Kerry leading Bush in New Hampshire but trailing him in Arizona and Louisiana."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I posted this on the other thread, but it seems appropriate here too:

Blogs Nudge Dow, Nasdaq, S&P 500 Lower

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:58 (twenty-one years ago)

betfair has 5/2 bush 8/5 kerry

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Er, I thought I understood how those strange Brit-style odds worked, but... or did you mean 3/2 Bush 3/5 Kerry?

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:03 (twenty-one years ago)

2.5/1
1.6/1

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

What is Kerry's 'price', and what was it previously? :)

The Pennsylvannia 'exit poll' (if it be that, my friends!) is the sweetest. Even if these figures are mainly drawn from women voters etc., then at least it shows that Kerry is doing pretty well with women voters; how many would Gore have won the PA female vote by, last time? 10 points, maybe slightly less or more?

r.e. Jay MC:
Dear me, NC that close? Shouldn't they have campaigned there a bit more?

Ohio and Florida; ahem, too close for comfort in those, *but at least Kerry is leading in both*. He only really needs to take one considering what seems like quite a firm hold on those upper midwest swing states: MI, WI, MN. New Mexico is pleasing to see, btw, if still very close...

― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:05 (twenty-one years ago)

bush is price is climbing kerry's level at the moment and the money is flowing to kerry.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Tom May is spot on about Paxman in CA.

It's time to hit the road and head for the eventual screen. Transatlantic allies, take my imaginary hand across the ocean, be it of amazed congratulation or desperate consolation. I feel as though ilx has rarely or never been so ... up for it... waiting for something to happen.

I think that at least one poster to this thread may echo me if I say... Come on Blues!

― the bluefox, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:08 (twenty-one years ago)

1) we have no idea if any of these exits are real
2) if they are, they are measuring only today's voting, and not the substantial pro-Kerry early votes

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry's "price" is at all times very close to 100 minus Bush's. Which now means Kerry is now suddenly >60, hee hee!

Milo: yes, I see what you mean, but the standard way of quoting is the way I did it (I've checked now). Left of / = your opponent's stake, right of / = your stake.

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:10 (twenty-one years ago)

3) if they are real, they may well tighten later in the day - the most motivated people voted early

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I got those odds wrong its 15/8 bush and 4/7 kerry, (thats 185 bush and - 225 kerry)

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Hold on on that last point, Gabbneb. I consider myself highly motivated and I'm not voting until after work, thanks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Took me 45 minutes to vote this morning.

Spencer, did you have to vote at the clinic or at Rosewood? I was at Rosewood, and I was in and out in 5 minutes. (There was a huge line, though, but based on where I live, I got to go in the no-line line)

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

If exits say Kerry is winning, are late Kerry voters less likely to vote?

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man, bush drifting to 2/1 and kerry reeling in to 1/2

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post surely not this time around?

it's difficult to watch the coverage, I'm afraid of hoping.

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

"If exits say Kerry is winning, are late Kerry voters less likely to vote?"

This seems unlikely, esp. after 2000.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I am so nervous. This is mad.

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Luna, I voted at the clinic. I got in line at about 8:15 and was out by 9. the line was twice as long when I left!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

If exits say Kerry is winning, are late Kerry voters less likely to vote?

This is part of the reason that the major news organizations have always refrained from releasing any exit poll data until after the polls close. However, in a post-internet world, it becomes just about impossible to keep this kind of data from leaking out.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:19 (twenty-one years ago)

My friend was working the polls and just left me a voice message saying some people were waiting for an hour and a half in line here (Indiana), one of the polling places has had major problems (too large of a distict),including a broken ballot machine. We have had a very heated gubernatorial race, and it wouldn't surprise me if some finagling is going on. (GOP candidate-Mitch Daniels- is one of the people who developed...wait for it...Reaganomics!

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:23 (twenty-one years ago)

am I the only one living in a LAME swing state?! My fellow coloradoans suck ass!

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:24 (twenty-one years ago)

If the most motivated vote early, might they include the evangelical Christians that Bush/Rove have so been courting? I'm not convinced that Kerry will definitely do better with those voting later, but where's the evidence the other way?

As Newsnight put it last night, the Republicans are more enthused by Bush than Democrats are by Kerry. So oughtn't they to be the ones who turn out the earliest?

And I would find it an appalling joke if any Democrats were put off voting, feeling it was safe. It's hardly that! Just get out and vote; and get out everyone possible. :)

― Tom May (Tom May), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

But you Coloradoans might split electoral votes based on the popular vote! That's pretty gnarly.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as bookies odds go, they are influenced by non-electoral factors i.e. How much is being bet on each.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Bookies yes, not exchanges though surely?

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:27 (twenty-one years ago)

i've got a fanatic kerry fan (his brother's working for the man) coming over later, should be fun. i'm all tingly.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I read "fanfic" in there somewhere and was really terrified.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:29 (twenty-one years ago)

John Kerry had had a long day. John Edwards offered to come over and give him a relaxing massage...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(i meant to just say 'a kerry fanatic')

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

surely exchanges are even more sensitive to the money flows.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

You've seen the Sims fanfic right?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:31 (twenty-one years ago)

my dad returned from a short trip to arizona this week, brought back a bunch of election paraphernalia. i (annoyingly) put a kerry/edwards bumpersticker on my car.

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Not too sure about that, Ed -- but this is probably not the place for that discussion :)

(I note, though, that there seems to be madd arbitrage opportunities for those with accounts both places, especially if one had taken the time to program a couple of bots...)

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Are the bookies working with a spread?

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:36 (twenty-one years ago)

A spread that includes sauerkraut?

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Bookies yes, not exchanges though surely?

Oh, maybe not - I thought we were talking about bookies; I;m easily confused. I don't even think I know what an exchange is, unless a ransom is involved.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

We can do better, Dan.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the same joke and it makes me laugh harder everytime I read it. SOTP IT DAN PERRRY.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.simonbeer.co.uk/simonbeer/images/marmite-yellow-174.jpg

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Where do you lot find these interwebbed exit poll numbers btw?

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

sporting index has ecv spreads of 255-260 bush and 278-283 kerry

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(Is that better, David "I hate RJG" R?)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

: (

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I couldn't watch coverage all day because I work on a truck, but i did stop at a bar and saw that there had been a "MAJOR" error in Pennsylvania, something about two voting bvooths being totally fucked up. This was around noon, Eastern time. Has this been resolved? What's the deal? I'm totally behind.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Quick query: in the UK, it's illegal to publish polling data, or practically *any* election news whilst the polls are open on election day. Doesn't anywhere in the US have a law like this?

(it's great - election day is the one day you can guarantee there'll be practically no politics on the news, at least between 7am and 10pm)

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

betting exchanges are where people bet between each other, rather than with a firm, trading bets much like stocks and shares, you get prices fluctuating by the second, much like a stock exchange.

Nb. all the prices I'm quoting are from UK oriented sites.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:46 (twenty-one years ago)

3. Same-sex marriage is a vast, untested social experiment that may be inflicted upon the next generation of children, unlike hetero marriages which have been tested and failed.

They have? (YES I KNOW THE DIVORCE RATE THANK YOU VERY MUCH)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

weren't the exit polls on wonkette?

roger, i think the deal was the GOP were looking at teh "total number of votes cast ever" odometers rather than the "votes cast today" ones. storm in a teacup.

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

What's the deal? I'm totally behind

a couple hundred thousand Badnarik voters went for Kerry by mistake

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger: Republicans were claiming that a counter on some polling machines showed the number of votes that had been entered prior to voting officially beginning (meaning votes were entered into the machine that would count towards this election), & not (in fact) the number of TOTAL votes that machine has tabulated over the course of its existance. Shenanigans.

Carsmile on the abridged money.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I remembered yesterday that I had months ago received a piece of paper telling me that my polling place had changed. Which I of course promptly misplaced. Yesterday I called a NYC voting hotline to find out my new place: I was unable to get through. I sent the same organization an e-mail--and I never got a response.

So today I go to my good old trusty poll place at Anna Silvers Elementary School on East Houston. They quickly ask for my address and tell me to go Ridge Street. No hassle. Except for my new voting place is now 1 minute from my house so I have wasted some time walking around. I go to the Ridge Street elementary school. Things here are a bit more topsy-turvy.

I give my address and am told to go in and sign in to a table. I stop at the first table I see and am told to go to "13." They gesture inside. I go inside a dinky auditorium that is about a third full with people waiting with cards in hand. There is a table
by the "13" booth. I sign in there (I have of course also misplaced my voting card) and after waiting in line for about 15 minutes, am allowed to vote.

Funny thing about the voting booth: Bush and Kerry are both listed like 3 times, under different categories, democrat, liberal, etc. It says you can only vote once, and I didn't try, but it seemed easy enough to vote for your canditate multiple times. I suppose then one might be discounted? I turn the dinky little switches. They should really computer-ize this. How do you know after you pull the lever that your vote doesn't just disappear into the ether?

The other people waiting must have been voting at a different district on the other side of the room--I'm not sure if they were calling out numbers of names, but they were definitely there a lot longer than I was. I wish I brought a camera to capture the arrow voting signs, the voters, the decrepit elementary schools, the orange leaves...

Made it to work only 1/2 hour late--pretty good, considering.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

There aren't a couple of hundred thousand Badnarik voters, Gabbneb - I think you're lying.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

OleM, the exit poll numbers I've seen have come from Slate.com and Wonkette.com.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Why am I watching Crossfire instead of doing something constructive? N0v4k just blamed the Democrats for the Abu Ghraib scandal. I think I want to strangle him.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(more so than usual, that is)

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)

PS to Dan & RJG re: the spread - AVOCADO MAYO, DAMN IT!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

It says you can only vote once, and I didn't try, but it seemed easy enough to vote for your canditate multiple times.

once you turn down the switch, you can't turn down any of the others on the same row

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

They should really computer-ize this. How do you know after you pull the lever that your vote doesn't just disappear into the ether?

as opposed to what would happen on a computer, how? ;) pencils and paper, my friends is the only way forward...

hi mary, how are you :)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

ned, here's jonah "desperation" goldberg responding to the exit polls:
They're interesting, but wildly implausible. PA is not a 60-40 race. Indeed, were these numbers real -- or I should say reliable -- it's entirely possible that they're good news for Bush. If they were collected uniformly the same way. Why? Because any tally that comes up with a 60-40 race for Kerry in PA right now has to be filtering in some pro-Kerry way that would have to be equalized by the time the final tally is reached. If that filter had Bush losing in PA by 20 points and MN by 18, presumably the equalization of the numbers would push the close calls in Fla, IA and Ohio into Bush's column. Then again, I sincerely doubt that any of that scenario is at work here. I simply don't buy these numbers. That doesn't mean that Bush may not be losing right now or that the Kerry people are unwarrented in their alleged happiness right now. But if all the hullabaloo is being driven by these numbers in particular, I would definitely take a wait-and-see attitude. I would also vote, then wait-and-see.

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Funny thing about the voting booth: Bush and Kerry are both listed like 3 times, under different categories, democrat, liberal, etc

This is because NY voting law allows parties to "cross-nominate" candidates from other parties. Many of the smaller parties do this.

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

How does that work. I mean, what is it supposed to do? (If it's too hard or long to explain, don't worry)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 21:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Indeed, were these numbers real -- or I should say reliable -- it's entirely possible that they're good news for Bush.
He's partly right -- I'm not sure which numbers are reliable and which are not. He acknowledges this unreliability, and then goes on to state that the numbers do in fact favour Bush. Fun with statistics ... unreliable when they tell you what you don't want to hear, encouraging when they tell you what you really want to hear.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

as opposed to what would happen on a computer, how? ;) pencils and paper, my friends is the only way forward...

I know that using a computer doesn't really make that much more sense, but it is a contraption that many Americans have familiarity with, and use every day. Rather than when you go in the booth, behind the ominous black curtains, there is all this anxiety about doing it right, because when else in your lives to you pull levers and turn itty-bitty little switches. Last four years ago, when I went to vote, apparently the machine wasn't working in our district, so they gave us paper ballots to fill in. They assured us that they would be counted. I had a feeling at the time they would be used for paper airplanes instead.

hi mary, how are you :)

I'm well, thanks. I am enjoying all of the English indignation at our sub-par voting facilities and standards. Perhaps your country could organize a relief mission?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

going for nap now but 23/10 bush 4/9 kerry best prices to back.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha a UK relief mission to fix US voting practices would probably make me die in an orgy of mean-spirited amusement.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Americans wouldn't accept an English relief mission surely, as wonderful an idea as it is? They despise the rest of the world!

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

How does that work. I mean, what is it supposed to do?

Basically, it's supposed to increase the visibility of smaller parties, I think. Here's a (possibly biased) description of it:

http://www.nmef.org/solution.htm

― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:05 (twenty-one years ago)

more like a FUCKING QUEER mission

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I've got my Sam Adams (MA), my Anchor Steam (CA), my Rogue (OR) and my Goose Island (IL). I guess the Red states are dry. Also some spicy chip'n'dip (er, NM?).

I've got a desk to dismantle, one to build and a PC to move - I'll see you chaps later.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)

You should only drink beer from swing states.

― mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:07 (twenty-one years ago)

New York has multiple minor, mostly inconsequential parties. The Liberal party is the most notable. It's somewhat mislabeled - basically a non-ideological machine operation - they put Giuliani on their line, for instance - that reaps the benefit of the liberal label. In local races (State Senator, City Council), the Working Families party occasionally fields a candidate with a chance of winning when the Democrats nominate a real turkey. A given candidate can be nominated by more than one of these parties, i.e. by both the Democratic party and the Liberal party. Which party line you vote for the candidate under is up to you and has no impact that I'm aware of.

Rather than when you go in the booth, behind the ominous black curtains, there is all this anxiety about doing it right, because when else in your lives to you pull levers and turn itty-bitty little switches.

I'm far more comfortable with my heavy analog switches than hitting the wrong part of the touch screen on the ATM.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I tried - Oregon is the best I could manage. These were from the Deleted Lines* shelf at Morrisons (sorry, wrong thread).

(* - ulp. Omen? Nah.)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks O.Nate, and Gabbneb. It's interesting - I don't think the assumption at the end of that article is justified, but I suppose that an imperfect solution is better than none.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

am I the only one living in a LAME swing state?! My fellow coloradoans suck ass!

No you aren't, I do not, the rest might.

Actually, for CO to be considered a swing state is rather remarkable. In 2000, I had to vote swap to make my vote count. I swapped with some Nader voter in CA though, not FL (I didn't get choose my swapmate, not my fault).

― Hunter (Hunter), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I live in a swing state!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of omens, I sure hope this JFK doesn't get shot like the last one, if he wins.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I sure hope he gets laid and high as a motherfucker like the last one, if he wins

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Blount, do you remember cross-examining me in the early days of the Dems' leadership contest, and me saying Kerry was the best man for the job? You were expecting to tear into me when I said the wrong thing, but you didn't. When was that?

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

again, in english plz

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I sure hope I get laid and high as a motherfucker, if he wins.

― Bump Wills (Gear!), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

JFK 1 banged Marilyn, who should JFK 2 bang? Rebecca Romijn?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm getting high as a motherfucker tomorrow, whatever happens.

(I sure hope he wins though)

(and I wouldn't mind getting laid either)

(but not as a motherfucker)

― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:24 (twenty-one years ago)

J-LO!

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i just voted. wahey.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i was a deaniac if that's yr point and voted edwards by the time the primary race got round to ga, i've campaigned for kerry since the summer, got the 'veteran for kerry' bumpersticker for my pickup round may, but i wasn't really enthusiastic about the man himself until fall, though oddly driving home just now i did think how if ANY other of the dems had gotten the nod they don't do nearly as good a job against bush as kerry, even my man dean.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, just seen Peter Snow's Whitehouse Lawn for the first time. Marvellous.

― RickyT (RickyT), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha: I was wondering whether votes under cross-nominations are reported to the minor parties. I would assume so, right? I had some temptation to vote for Democrats under minor-party nominations, just to help them feel better about themselves.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

man nabisco is rangel really your rep? that dude is badass

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

i got a call from ed koch yesterday. what a fucker.

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Here in IL, early polls have Barak Obama up over Alan Keyes by as much as 40 points. That's some margin.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't ask if any of you live in swing states, though.. I asked if you lived in LAME swing states. Actually Colorado seems okay most of the time.

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Blount did you move or has the big GA become a HOT POLITICAL ITEM and I haven't noticed?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

What kind of beer should I drink tonight? When Clinton won they were swilling Rolling Rock in the Columbia dorms. Good times.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:36 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC still cagey, ITN news is pretty much already calling it for Kerry. My fingers still very much crossed.

Hello American ILXors, well done all you voters and especially all you workers!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:37 (twenty-one years ago)

http://real.streamtoyou.com/gwb/victory_medium.mov

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

nah curtis i was just dreaming of days when ga was potentially anything other than a red state (ie. 1992). i did briefly think about looking into getting my grandma's house declared my official residence so i could vote in florida.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

My point was anyway a friendly one, Blount, because we seem finally to be on the same side and, I believe, will be united in jubilation tomorrow. Not literally, mind.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

People be counting chickens!

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:38 (twenty-one years ago)

HOW LONG HOW LONG...HOLA!

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:39 (twenty-one years ago)

We simple outbackredneckflyover Berlin folk trust our hunches and our almanacs.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The 4 p.m. ET exit-poll numbers:

Florida
Kerry 52
Bush 48

Ohio
Kerry 52
Bush 47

Michigan
Kerry 51
Bush 48

Pennsylvania
Kerry 58
Bush 42

Iowa
Kerry 50
Bush 48

Wisconsin
Kerry 53
Bush 47

Minnesota
Kerry 57
Bush 42

New Hampshire
Kerry 58
Bush 41

Maine
Kerry 55
Bush 44

New Mexico
Kerry 49
Bush 49

Nevada
Kerry 48
Bush 49

Colorado
Kerry 49
Bush 50

Arkansas
Kerry 45
Bush 54

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

X-post about drinks

I drank white russians all night last election, but this time I just have a crate of Tennants (cheap Scottish lager). Oh, and a bottle of Sake, depending on how things go (for good or bad, I don't really know)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Rangel's all mine: apart from whole draft-baiting thought-experiment, I was pretty happy to actually cast a vote for him.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw a glimpse of Tucker Carlson on CNN, and he seemed to be setting the stage for a Bush loss. The rats are leaving the ship. Of course, they'll scamper back on at the first sign it's not sinking.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:40 (twenty-one years ago)

pwned@@@@

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

For beer, I'm thinking Sam Adams.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

where are those exit poll number from? Holy shit that is amazing if they are at all an indicator.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Betting exchange update: Customers at Intrade has Bush at 26-28% probability, those at Betfair also at about 26%. But much may still happen, obv.

― OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:43 (twenty-one years ago)

There's something nice about seeing Jon W. on ILX political threads, because I know that, whatever our differences, we're united in defeating Bush.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe I'll wander over to the Kitsch Bar? At this rate I actually will be checking the coverage (and hopefully clocking in at 20,000 words for NaNoWriMo). Oh well, still early days yet.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

jon did you vote?

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I may get drunk tonight. Or cry.

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Zogby just called it for Kerry 311 to 213 with Nevada and Colorado too close to call.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i just asked lil' rufus who was gonna win, bush or kerry, and he said kerry. it's official. we can all go home.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

New on Wonkette:

CO Bush 50 Kerry 48
FL Kerry 51 Bush 49
IA Kerry 50 Bush 49
MI Kerry 51 Bush 47
MN Kerry 54 Bush 44
NV tied
NH Kerry 53 Bush 45
NJ Kerry 54 Bush 44
NM Kerry 50 Bush 48
OH Kerry 51 Bush 49
OR still too early to get accurate reading
PA Kerry 53 Bush 46
WI Kerry 51 Bush 48
*** There appear be problems with exits in the following states that could be tipping numbers toward kerry: MN, NH, VT, PA, VA, CT, DE. described only as "serious" issues we're looking at. so i would not put too much faith in those results.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"at which point I threw my tv out the fucking window."
Dan, if this wasn't exaggeration for the sake of good storytelling, you are now my favorite person.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Josh, I want Obama to fell Keyes by > 50%, just to send a message that wingnut homophobic carpetbaggers aren't welcome 'round these parts.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there any chance at all of a Democrat majority in the House of Representatives after today?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:50 (twenty-one years ago)

ian did you really vote for bush? do we have to come kick your ass?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh good lord no, Alba, not unless things are REALLY bad for the GOP. But it looks like what we're getting instead is a specific rejection of Bush, not the GOP.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just wondering about how miserable they're going to make life for Kerry if he does win.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(the Senate is close though, right? They might win that?)

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Well Dems could get the Senate which would be nice for him. Either way Kerry's got a lot of work to do.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's going to be another civil war.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:56 (twenty-one years ago)

At least he'll be able to name a new supreme court justice.

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:57 (twenty-one years ago)

This time, maybe we should let them secede.

xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Do people think a Bush defeat might lead the Republican to reject the neo-con ideology, and return to more natural Republican territory? Or will they just think that the ideas are right, but they handled the campaign wrong?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

how have the handled their campaign wrong? If they lose, it will be by a rather small margin.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I should have some info on MO soon I think.

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba, don't be ridiculous.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't get me wrong - I'll be as over the moon as the next guy if Kerry wins (OK, if Bush loses) but I don't think the next four years are going to be much fun. Look at how mad a second Clinton term made them.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I was joking about the civil war thing (I think).

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

there are tons of repubs, especially the old school ones, who hate the neocons and hate what bush has been doing. i've been hearing a lot of conservatives on t.v. talking about how even if bush wins they were gonna regroup and take back the party from the bushies.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Well that would be fucking tremendous. I hope you're right.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

We've had MUCH CLOSER elections under a MUCH MORE DIVIDED nation and we didn't have violent civil unrest then.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

how have the handled their campaign wrong?

Well, by existing with Bush as the candidate, for a start.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Given the rifts in the party right now, it's too early to say. If Bush wins there will be a 'night of long knives' for those who did not cleave obediently to the Rove line. If he loses, the paleocons can beat up on the opportunists who let that partisans of mere power defeat a principled approach in 2000, namely that of McCain (or so I imagine he'll spin it).

mega xpost

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, they handled their campaign badly because they didn't win (hypothetically) - that's a failing. They should have done better in the debates, should have campaigned on different issues etc.

(x-post I hope that's true, Scott)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely we don't know how close this election is yet, Curtis? I mean, it's neck and neck in polls and so the only way it can be deemed closer is when we see the final vote.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of moderate conservatives think things like faith-based initiatives is just gonzo crazy stuff. i've often wondered what bush senior REALLY thinks about what his loony kid has been up to. he was such the opposite in so many ways.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:05 (twenty-one years ago)

"They should have done better in the debates, should have campaigned on different issues etc."

THEY HAD NO ISSUES! THEY WERE WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:06 (twenty-one years ago)

The US nation seems politically more polarised and divided to me just now than at any time in my lifetime, but I guess that's not a very long time.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

newsnight had rightwing pollster basically giving it to kerry ON A PLATE, paxman being veeeeeeerrry careful not to count chickens though...

woah i had no idea that "paleocons" was a real term, i thought the grauniad just made it up...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I think a vast amount the Republicans will be actually secretly relieved if Bush loses. Jeez, look at Brooks in the Times today. I usually think of him as being a die-hard Bush-y (esp. on stuff like Iraq/Israel) but he could barely muster any enthusiasm at all for the guy at this point (he also may be hedging his bets, guessing on a Kerry win now.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:08 (twenty-one years ago)

This country has always been polarized! Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, people! This is NOTHING new!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

A brief bit from BBC online:

Mr Bush later reached the White House where he will watch the returns, in the company of his father and former President, George Bush senior.

To be a fly on the wall (no matter the result).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:09 (twenty-one years ago)

maybe some republicans want to say that kerry has it on a plate to discourage people from going out and voting???

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Newsnight on the BBC had a Republican pollster basically calling it for Kerry (Frank Lentz?) without sticking his neck out. Apparently sheer quantity of young votes looks to have swung it. Atmosphere at Bush camp described as subdued and certainly not what was expected. Some bloke from National Review skipped around results questions and went to saw that that President Kerry would have problems living up to his promises... From this side of the pond it looks bloody fantastic so far. Famous last words.

― MattR (MattR), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

N. i'm still not sure what it is that's polarising them though, i mean, it's not like there are major policy differences between the philosophies, i'm still seeing it as mainly a beauty contest, which guy do you like the best etc...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:10 (twenty-one years ago)

(am, this was on UK TV, not much chance to change people's minds, but i get the point)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely we don't know how close this election is yet, Curtis? I mean, it's neck and neck in polls and so the only way it can be deemed closer is when we see the final vote.

True. I guess my comment was pretty presumptuous.

The US nation seems politically more polarised and divided to me just now than at any time in my lifetime, but I guess that's not a very long time.

Yes... and if there weren't riots back in 1800 or 1824 when every man and his dog had a gun, I seriously doubt there will be now ;)

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

scott, that's roughly what Friedman said.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought every man and his dawg had two guns each now? ;)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think too many conservatives will be "relieved" if Bush loses, because even if they disapprove of Bush, they consider him the lesser of two evils. And they have their reasons for believing so.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Now, here's where we start wondering: if Kerry wins, what happens in '08? Yes, much can happen betweeen now and then. But Bush is retiring (and will have been discredited), so he's not going to mount a comeback. Then there's all that Hillary talk, but I can't imagine her running against Kerry, who if he wins will be the savior of the Dems (again, that shine can fade fast). And I can't think of any other really strong Republican potentials.

So if Kerry wins, I bet the Republicans will immediately kick into gear for '08, but perhaps with a real eye for '02 vs. Hillary.

Another question: will a lose (by divine decree, we must assume) drive George back to drink!?

But first: must ... concentrate ... on ... exit polls. Stay on target ... stay on target ...

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The US nation seems politically more polarised and divided to me just now than at any time in my lifetime

Be glad you weren't there in 1968. Deep, deep insanity was on the loose. Wallace. Nixon. HHH as the LBJ surrogate. Assassinations of MLK and RFK. The invasion of Czechoslovakia. Bad times. Very bad.

― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Curtis,

Except for those moderate Republicans who have gotten the shit kicked out of them for so long. They'll look at the governors who govern mostly from the center right and they'll look at one of the most radical admins in some time and say , 'We told you so,' to the neo-cons.

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:16 (twenty-one years ago)

So if Kerry wins, I bet the Republicans will immediately kick into gear for '08, but perhaps with a real eye for '02 vs. Hillary.

you mean '12. But yeah, I expect that will happen (if Kerry wins a second term). I don't know who they'll run against him in '08. if they pull back on the religious right shit, they're going to have to find a McCain-level star to make an impact. Elizabeth Dole?

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

woah, knock on wood here people! i'm going out to do another tour of canvassing, and i'll see you all again in better times...

― g--ff (gcannon), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

oh man, that would be funny:

"i ushed to be preznit, you bastards, ah, yer me behsht mate, [hic]"

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:17 (twenty-one years ago)

So if Kerry wins, I bet the Republicans will immediately kick into gear for '08, but perhaps with a real eye for '02 vs. Hillary.

The years are going to start wrapping around? This millennium is still freaking me out.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Hillary vs. Elizabeth in '12? Could happen!

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

although I guess she'd be really really fucking old by then.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill Frist's name was bopping around, but I can't imagine him going far.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Elizabeth Dole ain't gonna happen.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I was wondering whether or not the Republicans see the neo-cons as a means to an end, something to put up with to get elected. If so, and Bush loses, it has to have a negative impact on the standing of those ideas. Eh...I'm just hoping that the centre and the right of the Republicans start a party war, probably keeping them out of the running for a while. But the Republicans seem to be pretty good at keeping that odd coalition together, so...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post

Yeah, I meant 2012 (the future!). My bad. I can't add. Will Kerry help me with that?

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooh, what about McCain himself in '08? It will be a gentlemanly and friendly contest, like the founding fathers! "Well my friend, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you one small point".

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The neo-con ideas were NOT the ideas that Bush ran on! He ran as a moderate fiscally conservative x-tian! Those ideas are kinda popular among republicans!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Frist isn't going to happen, the guy is a fucking freak. They're going to have to move to the center. Other than Lugar I don't know any centerists in the party. They'll probably start trying to amend the constitution so they can run Arnold.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean ran on in 00. Obv he's running far to the right this time around.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hillary will be 65 in Nov. 2012.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Centrists can't win the primary, Kyle. Republicans may be back to the Dole-ing board (i.e. fielding nasty conservatives who Dems can pull an end-around just by seeming kinda human.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not even sure Arnold can win the primary in California btw. He couldn't beat a "real" conservative in any of those southern states.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

They can always get Alan Keyes to run!

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The neo-con ideas were NOT the ideas that Bush ran on! He ran as a moderate fiscally conservative x-tian! Those ideas are kinda popular among republicans!

Bloody flip-flopper opportunist!

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

It's amazing how much better ilx is than the news. Like, I shouldn't be surprised, but I totally still am afresh each time.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:25 (twenty-one years ago)

The neo-con ideas were NOT the ideas that Bush ran on! He ran as a moderate fiscally conservative x-tian!

I was thinking neocon foreign policy ideas. Maybe it is still all about the economy, stupid, but I just wonder this time.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

My apologies for posting a slightly edited thing I just typed up and put on Roger Adultery's thread. But I think I finally reached my breaking point on a few things. In response to Roger asking if people were comfortable voting for someone just because he wasn't someone else, I said this:

----

My coworker Tom is Massachusetts born and raised. Known about Kerry pretty much all his life as a result. Way back earlier this year, I asked him about Kerry and what his exact profile was, what he was like, was he well loved, etc. And Tom's point was a simple but effective one:

"Kerry isn't elected because a lot of people really like him. He's elected because the other guy is always worse."

It's looking like that's what's going to happen here. And if the choice is quite simply the difference between two evils in the end, I will choose what I believe is the lesser.

To my mind, Bush answers for much. He answers for ignorance, willful ignorance, in questions of science on a national level. He answers for shallowness, in the sense that 'taking a stand' becomes 'never moving from it.' He answers for lack of responsibilty, for blaming everything that could happen in his administration and to his administration on others than who he picked, approved of, defended. He answers for incompetence as demonstrated in the haphazard idiocy that is the Iraq invasion and occupation, where political expediency constantly came to the fore first and foremost with dire and continuing consequences. He answers for bigotry with the support of the FMA, one of the most pernicious and revolting ideas ever seriously considered to be enshrined as a *core part of the Constitution.*

He answers for the dead. He answers for all the dead. He answers for them all and he can only find an answer by proclaiming that because Saddam and Osama and the like are, inarguably, murderers he himself is a stainless white knight, pure and wonderful and never ever EVER wrong.

He answers for saying "Bring them on." And now how many of my fellow citizens are dead, maimed, have lost friends and lovers and spouses and parents and children? And how many in Iraq found that the land of milk and honey promised by an adminstration that placed its faith in inaccurate intelligence, in political operators, in pie-in-the-sky dreams, is in fact less that now?

He answers for that and so much more. Hopefully he will answer tonight. If not, a pity. But he will answer. And by god if I won't feel the greatest satisfaction seeing him and all the lickspittle buttkissing power-worshipping ignorance-encouraging toadies that tried to ride every coattail of his no matter what price principles or their souls suffer in the answering.

Let them burn.

If Kerry fails more spectacularly on all these kinds of fronts, let him burn too. But the hunch, right now, is that he would not. He is yet untested in the role. Bush is. AND LET HIM BURN.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking as a frequent time traveller, I can tell you that Schwarzenegger gets his constitutional amendment and wins in 2012 after two Kerry terms. Then the Mirkons invade from Obzark.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow, Ned. Forget losing: your post would drive George back to drink!

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Why, thank you, Ned. That was refreshing.

― Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Ned's the weathervane. When he turns on someone, that person leaves town. Like, remember that Calum guy who used to... oh.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Ned - I expressed my admiration for your post on the Hi-Fidelity thread, but I'll do it here too.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Calum's actually long gone, my friend. The consonant doubling revenant is the homonculous left for a weary world.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ned, I love you!

― caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I weird for thinking that Kerry is much, much more than a lesser of two evils? I mean, he's a idealistic patrician limousine liberal war veteran from MA. I actually appreciate that and like him very much.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The consonant doubling revenant is the homonculous left for a weary world.

this sounds like something out of jarrry

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting that Roger says he dislikes mob rule but is incapable of seeing that the way this administration has degraded our politics through corruption, secrecy, lies, and pandering to the irrational, has brought us closer to corruption. Case in point: he deplores Kerry's hunting jaunt but thinks that four years of flip flopping on stem cells and willfully denying climate change to pander to born-agains are lesser evils. WTF?

― Michael White (Hereward), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

woah ned, that's like totally righteous dude :) well done you :))

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Am I weird for thinking that Kerry is much, much more than a lesser of two evils?

Like I've said before, I am suspicious of power. I am strongly suspicious of how it works and why people want it. I allow for the fact that people who I might admire would pursue it or find themselves in positions of it.

Let me be pleasantly surprised by Kerry, then, if it comes to that. I would much rather that than an unpleasant one.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:39 (twenty-one years ago)

6 pm exit poll from Daily Kos:

(Kerry/Bush)

PA 53 46
FL 51 49
NC 48 52
OH 51 49
MO 46 54
AK 47 53
MI 51 47
NM 50 49
LA 43 56
CO 48 51
AZ 45 55
MN 54 44
WI 52 47
IA 49 49

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I totally agree with Spencer. I was a big Dean supporter during the early primaries but as soon as he started to bow out I began to remember the things I liked about Kerry as a senator.

About the only thing I worry about with a Kerry presidency is, perhaps, the fear that he could be overly analytical. I don't think he'll turn into Hamlet or something, though.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:40 (twenty-one years ago)

'Evil' is the wrong word. I think it's just that Kerry doesn't actually inspire many people.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I can see why so many people would find Kerry inspiring and much more than a lesser of two evils; my problem is one of ideology - he's still a pro-market politician, so I don't see that coming close to solving the big problems. The best candidate the US will accept? Definitely.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Evolution dude. Russia really should've stuck with the Mensheviks.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(Will accept at the moment, that is - I'm not damning the US to eternal capitalism)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:45 (twenty-one years ago)

The turnout is being touted as the biggest in 40 years, in the 125 million range, which bodes well for Kerry. Those are not Bush supporters coming out in big numbers to keep him in.

― Momus (Momus), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i like capitalism (so does ralph nader btw)

― amateur!!st, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah the turnout is looking good.

(I don't like Nader or capitalism, so)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone asked earlier why the Dems don't run a more left candicate instead of driving toward the center. The last time they did that
was 1972 with Nixon and McGovern, and this was the result.
EC pop vote
Nixon 520 60.7%
McGovern 17 37.5%

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

where are you guys getting the exit poll info btw?

― m. (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I must say that CNN's panoramic results board/studio looks mondo cool.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Less than three minutes until the first polls close in GA, IN, KY, SC, VA and VT. I doubt we'll be able to tell much from those aside from turnout and how the popular vote split maps onto that from 2000 for those states. Are TV exit polls embargoed until everyone's voted (well, apart from Hawaii and Alaska) or will we get some numbers immediately?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Alan Lichtman guy on BBC - he reminds me of Chet who does the baseball on Channel 5. (615+ posts on the thread so far...)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that in California the networks don't announce results until 8 PM, when the polls close here. But I think it's voluntary.

― nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The maps just got redder.

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Huh?

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:58 (twenty-one years ago)

NBC and ABC: Virginia and South Carolina "too early to call"/"not able to make a projection - not enough information"!!!

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 2 November 2004 23:59 (twenty-one years ago)

CBS: "insufficient data to make a call"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:00 (twenty-one years ago)

no kidding

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

34-3, baby!

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

4 states announced according to BBC - nothing interestin. Vermont to Kerry, Virginia, and 2 others I;ve forgotten for bush

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

A funny thing is: I just went looking for ILM threads about the last election, and there were none in 2000.

-- the bluefox (pinefo...), November 2nd, 2004 5:36 PM.

There was, afterwards. Kind of weird reading it now. Nice one, Marilyn.

Dubya And Pop

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(Indiana and Kentucky, the ones I forgot)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:03 (twenty-one years ago)

And I might have made up the Virginia one...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

25 minutes until the Ohio poll closes and 'the call' comes in with initial exit poll data.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if "too early" means "too close," and now NBC appars to be drawing a distinction - SC is "too early," and VA is "too close"

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

If Dubya ain't doin' good in Virginia, that's a worrying sign for him.

― Michael White (Hereward), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are you watching, Momus? Japan?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Long Beach, CA- I narrowly avoided shenanigans this morning.

Me, presenting passport to precinct worker
Worker: Do you have a driver's license?
Me, presents license with LA address
Worker: How long ago did you move?
(Worker hasn't even looked at the list to see if I'm on it yet, and seems ready to turn me away. We go back and forth and finally I say)
Me: Why not just look at the list and see if I'm there. We can worry about my address if I'm NOT there.
Surprise, there I am, big as life.

But what if I were old, unobnoxious, easily frustrated? So fucking what if my driver's license address doesn't match? That's not a requirement!

Then I voted the fuck out of my ballot and went away/

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

what was bnw referring to? the 34 so far?

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The electoral votes from the 'called' votes so far (exit polls). KY = GB now,

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd assume:
"Too close" = "Exit poll data not statistically significant for calling Kerry or Bush"
"Too early" = "Data not sufficiently analysed yet to say whether Kerry or Bush or too close"

― OleM (OleM), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohio still has long queues at some stations according to BBC.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

or "too early" = "damn, we meant to say 'too close', ah hell, nobody knows the difference anyway"
xpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:11 (twenty-one years ago)

m1tch, it wasn't bnw.. it was sym, 34-3 (Bush/Kerry) projected electoral votes. It really means nothing. Votes on the east coast whose polls closed unusually early (7pm ET or so) went for the predicted candidates.. most of them were known Bush territory. I'd yawn if it weren't for the supposed tie happening in VA... (woohoo!)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah - they're saying they may have to extend polling hours in Ohio.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo hoo!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:13 (twenty-one years ago)

In KY, the same precints that give Bush an 11-point lead (and projected win) have Mongiardo leading Bunning by 10 points, so that looks like it should become a Senate seat picked up by the Dems.

― scott pl. (scott pl.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(i like how the Canadians are now not so secret about hoping Bush wins.. haha)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, local news pointed out some voting problems in a low income area of Hollywood - voting machines were late, not there, reported broken (from Channel 9)

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

MindInRewind: CNN explained the distinction reasonably clearly, sounded like VA and SC were indeed "too early". More data than just the exit polls is apparently used, incl sample precincts and, uh, something else.

Any exit poll percentages released anywhere, or just these broad calls/non-calls?

― OleM (OleM), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(i like how the Canadians are now not so secret about hoping Bush wins.. haha)
WTF??

The point I'm making is that too close = too early when the polls have been closed for five minutes and nobody knows jack shit except for a few exit polls. Bush carried KY -- big whoop, I could have called that months ago.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:16 (twenty-one years ago)

do you have a link to that ohio polls staying open late story?

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

mindinrewind, i was teasing sym about his "34-3 baby" comment. relax.

There have always been problems in voting... it just that it "matters" now, hence why major news outlets are reporting crucial breaking news items like a baby dropping ice cream inside the vent of an electronic voting machine somewhere in Louisiana or something.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Teeny - no, it was on the BBC TV coverage.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

The CNN exit polls are split into categories (gender, race, party affiliation, religion) but I can't seem to find a full one for VA. So I did the sums meself and came up with 53-47 to GWB.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

There's no way Virginia is actually going to go with Kerry, surely, but if it's close that's encouraging.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

mindinrewind, i was teasing sym about his "34-3 baby" comment. relax.
Oh, sorry ... I thought you interpreted my comment as GOP spin-doctoring. My fault.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Lovely gossip on a LiveJournal, supposedly from a Bush campaigner called Mark Mehlman:

'the bush team is in "major melt down" because their polling has
them losing in ohio and florida, so they are in a mad dash to pull
something out in the upper midwest. michigan isn't really in play.
he called it a "head fake". wisconsin is slipping away, bush spoke
in green bay today to less than 5,000 people (kerry drew 80,000 in
madison on thursday). iowa has the numbers potentially but they've
focused on it way too late, after the dems had a massive absentee
push, so iowa is unlikely. they can't win with minnesota alone and
even that state doesn't look good.

'mehlman says that there is incredible discord at the top. cheney is
absolutley livid with rove on the overall strategy ("we peaked too
soon you bastard") and with karen hughes for not adequately
preparing bush for the debates ("he looked like a g** d*** mental
patient"). cheney is apparently a "real monster". the rnc doesn't
know what to do because they can't get any clear direction from the
top.

'mehlman says that bush's slide in their polls began about three
weeks before the debates when kerry when into attack mode with major
foreign policy speeches at nyu and at a national guard convention,
the day after bush spoke. the slide accelerated big time after the
debates, "everyone was as bad as the first with no let-up in free
fall" according to mehlman. cheney freaked during the first debate,
convinced that bush "'lost the f**** election in front of 65
million people".

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember in 1992 walking into the college radio station I worked at. In the office, the television was on and they were at that moment calling Kentucky for Bill Clinton. Even after the conventions and debates, seeing Governor Clinton having a real actual United State being called for him hit it home for me that, holy crap, an Arkie was about to be elected President!

It was one of the best birthdays I ever had.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, Virginia has been red since the 60s.

Teeny - it wasn't a quote from anyone official, just what the reporter was saying might have to happen, because of the queues.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I would not be surprised in VA was close. I would not be surprised at all.

voting in DC was easy as pie, I just said I was me and got a ballot! Yay!

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, i was about to say. VA doesn't seem to me "Oh yeah, Bush country, totally".. there's this rather large greater DC contigent in NoVA, and Richmond isn't all exactly Bush-lovin' either.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha - dick cheney otm!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Woohoo - Reuters also saying Virginia too close to call. Fantastic.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohio too close to call according to BBC

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I've said for a year that VA can go blue. NBC is repeating SC as too early and VA as too close. NC is also too early.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

This makes interesting reading.

Why Blair secretly favoured win for Kerry !

I particularly liked the line As a social democrat, he would naturally favour Mr Kerry. I think we could be forgiven for thinking otherwise..

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I have no real doubt that Blair would want Kerry to win.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:32 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN exit poll has Ohio 52-48 for Kerry (based on 53-47 female and 51-49 male with a 53-47 girl/boy split on respondents).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Dimbleby say that VA had called Bush a few minutes ago? Did I imagine that?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:36 (twenty-one years ago)

and what of the ohio shemales? are their votes not as worthy?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

he said that

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

A Kerry win would allow Blair to disassociate himself from Bush, which, given Bush's image in the UK, could only boost his popularity. It's a bit academic though: Labour have got next year's election sewn up unless something really dramatic happens.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:37 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC confirms that Democrats are asking federal judge to extend voting hours in Ohio, because people are still waiting at stations.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

VA called him what?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

West Virginia.

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

'The Kerry team has been much more positively vocal about the German chancellor, Gerhard Schröder, than about Mr Blair. During a Blair visit to the US, the official line from Downing Street and the Kerry team was that no convenient time could be found for a meeting. In reality, it was Mr Kerry who refused make a space in his diary.'

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that 53-47 female/male ratio just by chance, or is it supposed to represent actual turnout proportions?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Good god, this Julia Grayson woman is annoying.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Momus, you still didn't tell me where you were watching? Not that it's important, I was just being personable, but I still want to know.

I imagine the Conservative Party would prefer a Kerry win too - Bush's politics are too odd for us, except Thatcher\Reagan.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Nationwide exit poll on CNN: 50.8-49.2 for Kerry.

Dan: this is what concerns me - that I'm not weighting the results correctly because this represents a gender split in exit poll respondents but might not be representative of how it shapes up for real. Maybe women really are outnumbering men in the polling booths to that extent.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there anywhere on the net streaming live coverage or owt?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:42 (twenty-one years ago)

why someone would prefer tv coverage over net coverage is beyond me

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I would imagine C-span would be covering it, no?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah - I'm watching it streamed from the BBC.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:43 (twenty-one years ago)

TV coverage has a human touch I like to have alongside the net.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

anyone gonna watch the live daily show coverage (10 pm EST)?

― results not typical (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are you watching, Momus? Japan?

Berlin. On BBC World.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going to a bar with a bagful of firecrackers, i'll watch whatever they're showing (fingers crossed it'll be the 1986 AFC championship game on ESPN classic)(or porn). later fules! koritfw!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

This is hilarious, I would love to see Blair snubbed by the Americans, and blocked out of a 'special relationship' between Germany and the US!

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I never noticed that. At six pm CST, when London hit midnight, the date changed to November 3rd though the times still stayed Central.

Whenever CNN lights up all the screens to show the polling, you can see Wolf Blitzer's eyes start to gas up.

― Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Berlin. On BBC World.

Ah, very nice. Thanks. I used to live in Berlin, uninterestingly.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I dunno, I'm into the whole election night ritual (all the way back to '72!), so I stick with the tv.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

NBC is projecting Bush taking Florida by 15pts - huh?

The Ohio numbers trickle in...Bush ahead 8858 to 8491 on CNN. Looong way to go.

I'm snaking my way through packing boxes from TV in lounge to PC in back bedroom every few minutes.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck that, that better not happen!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a very very very long thread, any chance of starting a part 2?

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know if anyone's posted this yet, but it helps to define a bit better what "grain of salt" means when people say take exit poll results with a grain of salt:

http://www.mysterypollster.com/main/2004/11/exit_polls_what.html

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)

rwiillmsen, just go into your settings and select "show last 50 messages" or whatever.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Are you registered and logged in, rwillmsen? Go to your Settings page (see link at base of every thread) and under 'Thread Pages' -> 'Show messages' change it to 'last 50 answers'.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:55 (twenty-one years ago)

12% of precincts reporting in VA: Bush up 57-43.
6% of precincts reporting in SC: Bush up 56-43.
1% of precincts reporting in NC: Bush 61-39.

Could be overreporting Rep areas, but let's not get carried away thinking any of these EC votes are coming JK's way. Shame.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah right, cheers

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:56 (twenty-one years ago)

haha bam 77-66 kerry/bush...(8pm EST hit)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Illinois officially projected for Kerry!

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:58 (twenty-one years ago)

NBC: MO, AR, VA, NC, SC, ME CD-2 all too close to call

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

That's all quite predictable, no? I'm going by this.. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1341533,00.html

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing surprising once again with the latest Kerry lead, but still.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

MO too close to call. Much love to teeny and co.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I like it when Kerry posts good news about Kerry.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Are all the exit polls we're seeing conducted by the same firm?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 00:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, what's Bam?

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Rwillmsen - My poor friend is working in the Guardian building all night, tonight. Maybe he wrote that.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I'm not liking that 55-45 spread for Bush in Florida at this point.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush up 55-44 in the first sixth of Floridian precincts reporting, but plenty of Dem areas yet to report. CNN exit poll gave Kerry the edge here.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Bam, boom, thwak, pow. Y'know, like 60s Batman.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:01 (twenty-one years ago)

CBS projecting at least 3 EVs for Maine.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually I'm jealous, the headline tomorrow might well be 'FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKK!!!!

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, what's Bam?

ihttp://europa2skate.free.fr/Bam%20Margera%202%20(guy%20from%20jackass).jpg

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

hey twiki who are you?

― Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

66 projected electoral votes to Bush, 77 to Kerry.

― Momus (Momus), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

So, sorry, was Kerry - 77-66 an overall prediction?

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Obama wins senate seat, of course.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, righht, it was, I shut up.

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo! (for Obama, of course)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Does nyone outside the US give a toss about the senate seats? Radio Five Live seems to think so.

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you to our friends in Europe for staying up this late.

x-post: but I want to see the final blowout numbers for Obama. Turnout was huge - tons of people were walking around downtown with Obama stickers.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:06 (twenty-one years ago)

We just like Obama
x-post

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Illinois 72% projected for Kerry!

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Does nyone outside the US give a toss about the senate seats? Radio Five Live seems to think so.

I do - Democrat president up against two Republican houses would be no fun.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:07 (twenty-one years ago)

The Philadelphia queues are Krazy. (~xx-post - I care) (~x-post - yeah, I want to see a huge victory. He does have the popularity to become a great statesman)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC says 78-66 to Kerry based on clean sweep in Maine.

That pesky 11-point lead for Bush in FL stays steady through 21% of precincts - nothing from the southern tip though (Miami-Dade, Monroe, Broward, etc).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC just had aerial footage of people still queuing round the block to vote in Philadelphia.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:08 (twenty-one years ago)

hey twiki who are you?

http://www.open-mag.com/features/Vol_36/twiki/gifs/twiki.gif

beedy beedy like shuh! beedy beedy

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I do love the professor guy on BBC though.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Bloody hell Simon Schama reporting from New York!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Obama 82%, if you're interested.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry ahead 82338 to 63709 in Ohio mainly thanks to Cuyahoga. Good old Michael Stipe.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, nice to hear from Simon Schama, and he's talking sense too.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't understand all these numbers.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:14 (twenty-one years ago)

what was this on cnn w republican woman saying that absentee votes in florida were gonna take til thursday to count? irrelevent? and any idea how long before we get official numbers on ohio?

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Any noos from Joisey?

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah right it's just been called for Kerry, that's a relief

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG 11% for Keyes.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Adam Levine looking a bit raddled at the Republican Party HQ.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

rwillmsen are you quite alright? (i share your optimism, but its being exhibited rather strangely here)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:18 (twenty-one years ago)

He keeps saying everything's great, but his demeanour is not one of a confident man.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:19 (twenty-one years ago)

55/45
bush/kerry

in florida, so far! "significant gains" from 2000!

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

SO FAR, i do say

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

54/45 now... it's like refreshing baseball box scores for every pitch

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's easy to get a bit frantic about the minutiae of these things, isn't it?

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

the smaller counties in each undecided state will be precincted first for obvious reasons... very generally speaking, counties with smaller populations are more likely to be bush friendly...

if those same figures hold after most of the south beach counties are counted, then i'll start to worry about florida.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry's sister is quite the looker.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:23 (twenty-one years ago)

basically, if kerry gets florida, bush will have be reeeaally lucky to win this one.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

vice versa too, though i think kerry can work slightly less to make up for losing florida.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

You should just leave Florida to the Bushes and concentrate on the other 50 states or whatever

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Right now CBS has: Bush 108, Kerry 77

― chrish (chopher), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

This is for the drunk foxxxurs -- GO KERRY!!!!!!

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

rwill the more incoherent you are, the more i like you

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Voted. Home. Tired. Hungry. Wanna write NaNoWriMo stuff. Wanna veg. Argh. End, day. End.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I WILL jerk teh chicken if Jersey goes for Kerry!!!!!!

― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

How does Oklahoma manage to call ahead of EST states?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Got the stream running. It being RealPlayer, it took a few seconds to warm up, so there was a static picture of the panel in the studio. Then, slowly, the middle of the picture started to move, to take the form of a woman, and suddenly BANG! Some woman called Phillipa telling us that voting hours are being extended in Ohio. Blimey.

NC calls for Bush. BBC sees Bush 81-78 in front.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter Snow and his graphics are weirding me the fuck out

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

He needs a News Dwarf

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

alba, Oklahoma probably had unusually early poll closing time.. like 7pm CST or something.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Who's the awful ginger troll they have on BBC, I note she's only an former Bush Gore worker, I don't think I could stand being the the same room as that laugh for 4 minutes, let alone 4 years.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

And here's Peter Snow's virtual White House Lawn. I am instantly reminded of Peter Snow's virtual Downing Street steps, resplendent with virtual William Hague, who would take one step for each percentage swing or gain or something on General Election night a few years ago. Virtual William Hague took no steps at all. How we laughed.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

94-78 Bush now.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Virginia's called for Bush. 'Alan' says that all the critical pieces of the jigsaw are still missing.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

There hasn't really been a single real swing state called yet, has there?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Keyes update - dropping, 10%.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed, is it 'Mara Rudman'? My visuals aren't good enough to work out if she's ginger or no.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha Ides Of March, Alan dude is mad funny

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

'Political Jazz'. Yes. Well.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan earlier described things as panning out like one of Ibsen's perfect plays.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

NC: 51-49 for Bush based on 6% of precincts - that's the most promising of the Southern states so far (though the exit poll had it 53-47 for Bush).

NH looks good for the first swinger: K56-43B after 6% of precincts, Kerry by 11 in the exit.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, and Tiresias! (x-post)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

"Well-made" plays, Ricky.

dropping, 10%.

Sorry for my ignorance - but what does this mean?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

My, but this banter's strained. Bush has nicked the Waterstone's logo. I am not sure if that's an omen.

SC calls for Bush.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Right now I'm eating CEREAL and BEER.

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Half-Luda Half-Biscuit

(N.B. 'banter' = Dimbleby & Simpson, not ILX. We luv u all.)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, N, beer has started kicking in.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG! I just jacked Sweet's car and picked up Smoke. When we turned the corner, a HELICOPTER CRASHED IN THE ROAD!!! THIS GAME IS AMAZING!!!

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:37 (twenty-one years ago)

incidentally betfair is out at 13/5 bush 2/5 kerry

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba, Alan Keyes is a notorious horrible right-wing Senate candidate in Illinois. He 'moved' here from MD to run against Barack Obama. See the 'Illinois Senate' thread for details.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Aha.

(xpost)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

haha (x-post to errant San Andreas fun)

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The lure of getting drunk and playing that instead of getting all tense is quite strong, after all.

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant what does 'dropping, 10%' bit mean.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Sporting index spread has gone out to 253-258 bush 280-285 kerry. The money is flowing to kerry.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The estimable Joel Biroco has asked the I Ching who will win:

http://www.biroco.com/journal.htm

― the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, it means Keyes has 10% of the vote and dropping.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

There hasn't really been a single real swing state called yet, has there?
Nobody's going to TOUCH one of those projections for a while yet ...

I'm curious, what are they saying on Fox News? I don't get that channel -- is anybody watching it? Is it sickening to watch? Do bears shit in the woods?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I CANT STAND IT ANY LONGER!!!!!

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

'Dropping 10%' means that Keyes is polling at 10% right now and getting worse, which is just insane for a major-party Senate candidate.

xpost

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Genuine Frenchwoman!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

NC called for Bush - disappointing but not unexpected. The tightness of the Southern races is encouraging. Another 14 minutes and we'll know whether we should be worrying about non-declarations in WI, MN, MI, NM...

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

We're not going to get much sleep tonight, are we?

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:42 (twenty-one years ago)

NBC has Kerry ahead in Ohio - didn't see the numbers.

x-posts: and Obama is not an incumbent, either!

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Sleep is for the weak.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Sleep?!? It's 10am here!

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:44 (twenty-one years ago)

SPARKS

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Cheese-eating surrender monkeys! Bah gawd!

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Genuine Frenchwoman is cool! It's times like this you really do feel rather grateful for the BBC.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN exit poll has Kerry by six in PA; he's currently up 68-32 but they've only counted about 18000 votes.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not as sprightly as I used to be and fell asleep in front of the tv (Vic is still watching) SO I'm going to bed with the radio on and will listen subliminally.

ok, so I'm weak. i also have to be up at seven at the latest

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the night is positively YOUTHFUL over here!

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

To my amazement, I'm so tense about the election I feel like vomiting.

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't know what Sparks is. I'm eating pickles and drinking beer.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush in Chinese translates as 'No'.

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

NC is first real disappointment.

Oh, it means Keyes has 10% of the vote and dropping.

Wow - that's what I was hoping. As milo says, that's pretty amazing.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I was hoping the Mael brothers had weighed in

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Every time I hear "too close to call," I cannot help but hear The Ramones' "Too Tough To Die."

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:48 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, and this is the annoying side of the BBC. STOP IT WITH THE GESTURES, KNOB-BOY.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I have to get up for work in 5 hours or so, but I had a nap when I got in from work in preparation.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan's onto Dickens references now.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Whereas I'm mostly thinking "I Wanna Be Sedated".

― Layna Andersen (Layna Andersen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Mr Micawber now...he's a wonder. (x-post)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I was hoping the Mael brothers had weighed in

I hope to hear Bush singing "My Way' before the night's out

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Re: "Bush team in major meltdown"--according to quick Googling, "Mark Mehlman" is Kerry's pollster, so that LiveJournal thing above is probably pure invention.

― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

10% of precincts in NH: 55-44 for Kerry. Come on, CALL IT.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Republicans objecting to Ohio extension of voting hours. How they can morally object when people turned up in good time and are only barred from voting by the deadline because of polling staton congestion, I don't know. Wankers.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

this town ain't big enough for the both of etc

If I'd known of Alan's literary prowess beforehand I'd have attempted some kind of drinking game.

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:51 (twenty-one years ago)

5 hour queues? Fucking hell...

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:52 (twenty-one years ago)

But just in case, Mr. Kerry had his usual Election Day lunch - chowder, littleneck clams and dark beer - at Boston's Union Oyster House, which he regards as a lucky venue.

― 57 7th (calstars), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Kerry a frat boy?

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush gains 1 of 4 in Maine.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Maine has decided that one seat goes to Bush, as expected

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

If I'd known of Alan's literary prowess beforehand I'd have attempted some kind of drinking game.

It's never too late to start. (I said upthread that he looks like Chet from the Channel 5 baseball, if anyone knows who that is)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Balls - first swing is actually to GWB in the form of one of Maine's congressional districts (the BBC are backtracking from their earlier 4-0 call). It shouldn't make a difference.

xpost

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Two glasses of wine at a bar at 5pm EST and - one hour and 45 minutes later....home to a slight domestic quarrel (not my beloved), and now reviewing the fact that Monday morning i awoke at 3 am and logged on to this and other internet places and didn't sleep all day and stayed up to watch PBS Nightline and fell asleep and woke up at 7 am and stayed online until 9:30 and then left the house until 1:00 pm and continued to freak out.
And now i am running between the posts and the television - also, i am on dial up, so I need to keep the phone lines free. ( But I have voice mail).
I have spoken to three people , in their thirties, who have chosen this year to actually vote. All I can say is - yay democracy! One voted for Bush - but all I can say is Yay democracy! I am now going to run between the tv and the computer all night. I hope - and we hope - for what is best for our fragile nation AND the rest of the world, who also hold their collective breaths as we decide.
I am feeling really positive right now - and i haven't in a long, long time. I wish the rest of the world could give an actual referendum on our presidential elections. Since they can't, let me say that I voted for Kerry for many reasons, and one of them is to allow international communication again. To every non U.S. ILE poster - I hope we have a president tomorrow who actually takes the rest of the WORLD into his debates about foreign policy, war, occupation, etc. I must go back to the tv. LOVE XO Alison

― aimurchie, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow! Springy-floppy-quiff-in-a-Mark-Kermode/him-from-Let-Loose stylee!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

(I wish I could remember anything about the man it's attached to)

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Republicans Abroad woman talking rubbish.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh look, a man in Uncle Sam costume.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that was actually Uncle Sam!

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

William, it actually reminded me of Bryan Ferry's hair, at some points in time.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

New York, Rhode Island called for Kerry as expected.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN has gone bonkers in Louisiana - 77% precincts reporting and all nine candidates are on approximately 18000 votes!

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:00 (twenty-one years ago)

The mid-west has gone for bush, obv

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is Kerry not catching up in Florida? 40% reporting, it's still 56-43.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, back to Kerry-Boogie-Down Central... NY calls for Kerry, as does Rhode. Texas, Kansas, Wyoming, Nebraska and the Dakotas for Bush.

And suddenly the women and Man-Not-Alan gone, replaced by three men!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

CBS News (the only channel I get in here) is claiming that Bush is killing in electoral votes - leading by about 50 points. I just walked in so I'm catching up...

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush 157-112.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:02 (twenty-one years ago)

none of the major urban centres in FL have reported yet.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:03 (twenty-one years ago)

What are people (in the US, I guess) doing when Kerry wins? I mean, are those in New York going to Time(s?) Square for a party, a la VE Day? Or doing similar things in your town\city?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear God, it's the bastard son of Richard Dreyfuss and David Lloyd-George!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

You are so right, Mr The Bloody!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Five Live: White women look to be leaning torwards Bush

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:05 (twenty-one years ago)

that dumb W stands for Women campaign WORKED?

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter Snow just got his election graphics in a twist.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

who are five live?

― wet, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that Robert guy was about to unhinge his jaw and swallow the camera

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

"reality medicine"

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:08 (twenty-one years ago)

5live - BBC news radio station.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Democrats in 'Not Taken Reality Medicine' SHOCKER!!!

The reporter in Maine is TWEE-CORE!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Polls close FL, Penn, MO, MI, OH and one other that I forgot.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I hope they go back to that guy if Kerry wins

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

"Lawsuit medicine"

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

"Alan is my friend"

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, what are the state initials for Mississippi? Cos I think I've confused it with Michigan up there. Nyeh.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

No data on a lot of those states still

I think Bush is taking Ohio - somebody told me that no president has ever lost Ohio and WON the election. Food for thought, if it's true.

Talking heads promising a 'long night' in Ohio

but aren't they all?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I want Alan to be my friend too.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Michigan : MI
Mississippi : MS

Now Fox are saying Democratic Michigan is close. Fuck - give me some good news.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Tonight, Alan is everyone's friend.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

gerrymandering pays off in Texas, two extra house seats for the republicans.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

FL now 53-46 Bush with 53% results in and a few more Dem-heavy urban centres left to report. I think we can forget about a result from Florida tonight - some counties aren't even going to start counting their absentee ballots until Thursday and there are tens of thousands of them.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought it was no Republican has ever lost Ohio and won.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:17 (twenty-one years ago)

If Michigan goes Republican, we're pretty much fucked, aren't we?

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I just want one indicative state to declare before I go to bed. I feel sick with worry all of a sudden.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:18 (twenty-one years ago)

how come on the cnn polls page, the exits clearly favour kerry, but the box says bush 53, kerry 47?

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Mississippi calls for Bush

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm guessing it's all gonna come down to Wisconsin.

― Marcel Post (Marcel Post), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Mitch - that's the total number of votes cast so far. You'd expect Bush to have a healthy lead based on those states where polling has ended. California is enough in itself to wipe most of that Bush lead out.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:21 (twenty-one years ago)

CArol king, head for the hills

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow - Carol King.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:22 (twenty-one years ago)

She sounds exactly the same as she did 30 years ago.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Carole King! Quick, do "You Got A Friend"! JFK II'll be a shoo-in!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Cool, the election of 1888!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC calls 1888 for Ben Harrison

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

RETRO-VIRTUAL-19th-CENTURY-WHITE-HOUSE-LAWN-A-GANZA! WITH PERCENTAGES!!!

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

where did you people read/see the 3-1 split in maine?

― j c (j c), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I have a book (the Bible) that was given as a present in 1888 (not to me). Probably no connection.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:25 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC TV

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That was ages ago, jc! On BBC.

Minnesota has historically been the most accurate of all weathervane states, hasn't it? Maybe I can stay up till they call.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Longest odds on Kerry all night, still favouring him though

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:26 (twenty-one years ago)

MN has gone for gore, mondale and dukakkis, home of FDR style dems, according to Suzy

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

cnn has all four of maine's votes to kerry!

i know 1 ev doesnt matter, but it's homestate pride here...

― j c (j c), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:28 (twenty-one years ago)

thanks, michael, its 4:30 am here so i'm a little slow. the thing is, that number that i'm looking changes by state, and sensibly so.. what am i still missing? feel free to not answer if i'm still being too dumb and will only realize this in clearer-headed times

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

How many states have propositions prohibiting gay marriage up for voting today?

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:30 (twenty-one years ago)

JC - CNN may well have Wolf Blitzer. The BBC, however, has 'Alan', whose hand gestures are too violent not to be trusted.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I misheard Peter Snow. Was it Missouri he said had gone with the eventual winner every time but one this century?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Michigan may be close... but Kerry *should win*; I'd be gobsmacked if he didn't. It will hinge on Florida and Ohio... Kerry winning NM and NH would help too. :)

― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

it's missouri

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Next poll closes in 22 mins

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

OK. GO MISSOURI.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I found that in 1998 at least (I know, not a presidential election year, but I'm too lazy to keep looking to find 2000 results), turnout was 53% women, 47% men. So by that standard those exit poll numbers look okay.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The person who made the analogy between Alan and Josh Chetwynd off Channel Five Baseball upthread = OTM.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish Star Parker weren't looking so hott.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:34 (twenty-one years ago)

To be fair, she is sat next to Neil Newhouse.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

That was me! I have a great deal of love for Josh (even though I got his name wrong, I use MLBTV these days), and a new love for Alan.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:35 (twenty-one years ago)

(uh....x-post)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

betfair is on the verge of favouring a bush lead

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:36 (twenty-one years ago)

From the Comedy Central Election Blog:The polls are starting to close, people, and we know that watching the election returns can often get tedious. Liven up your night on the couch with our new games. Kerry voters, grab a beer! Bush voters, dust off that Bible! And Nader voters, start rollin' a fatty! Here we go:
Kerry Drinking Game:
Every time Vietnam is invoked, take a drink
Any time John Edwards and the word "boyish" are mentioned in the same sentence, take a sip of your Shirley Temple
Every time you see a celebrity endorsement of Kerry, take a drink
If the name "Dukakis" is mentioned, take a drink
If the name "Dukakis" is mentioned as a comparison, take two drinks
If the name "Dukakis" is used in the context of "worst Democratic result since" down the whole bottle
Bush Praying Game:
Every time you see a picture of the Bush twins, pray that they get married and have children soon
Every time Jeb Bush is mentioned, thank the Lord for his existence
Every time you see a picture of Katherine Harris, pray for her poor husband
If Bush loses, denounce religion entirely
Nader Pot Smoking Game:

For every state Nader wins, smoke some pot. (This segment of the game is sponsored by the DEA)

Why did I not see this before?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

still long queues to vote in FL

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan quotes Churchill on democracy!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Why did I not see this before?

The election blog bit has only been up for today. That might be why.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Note to world, do not wear red on TV, especially not the reds on alan's tie.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I guess I wasn't too lazy after all; here's some voter turnout numbers by gender for 2000. It looks like women usually run about 4% up like in those (admittedly old by now) exit polls above.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean sort of like in the above polls.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

73% turnout estimated in OH

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan has a bit of Richie Cunningham about him as well

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

People in Ohio still queueing and huge potential mess with paper ballots looming.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:43 (twenty-one years ago)

court rule in favour of paper ballots, election officials challenge on basis that they can't count them.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

One Nebraska elector may go to the Democrats.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Have they never worked in an office? (x-post)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

can't legally I believe

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

the thing is, that number that i'm looking changes by state, and sensibly so.. what am i still missing?

I think the popular vote split changes with each reporting precinct (currently 19% have been counted) - 53-46 as it is right now is about right for a count which excludes certain urban areas of east coast states and none of OR, WA or CA. I dunno - I maybe wrong.

I'm starting to feel that we're not going to get a winner tonight.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Some people are still queueing. Others have given up and gone home. It stinks.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm drunk. who can i fight if bush wins? i'm pretty sure i can take that rhenquist fucker.

oh, the humanity.

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

also green shoes, nono no no, (that's not a technical TV issue that's just taste)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm smoking a Swisher Sweet

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

so, does anyone have any idea when any of michigan/florida/ohio etc are likely to call? i'm very glad i don't have to be in work until half three tomorrow...

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:47 (twenty-one years ago)

52-47 to Bush in FL with 73% results in - still some blank wards on the southern tip. It'll go to absentee ballots here. My hope now is for WI, MI and MN to be held convincingly and OH and NH to go Kerry by 3-4pts.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:48 (twenty-one years ago)

5 more states, says ITV

― Slump Man (Slump Man), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I now don't think Ohio and Florida are going to be decided for days.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:49 (twenty-one years ago)

good news soon, pls.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry continues to lead massively in PA with almost a third of the votes in. Just CALL IT and cheer us up. (NH now very close: 51-48).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Peter Jennings hate Cokie Roberts? He's cut her off twice, and made a crack about getting to hear more Cokie after the break or something.

― Dominique (dleone), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:52 (twenty-one years ago)

don't say that, alba. i have to work at 6am and i want to know who the president is at least 6 hours before then, fer chrissakes

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

what, has Badnarik broken the 1% mark or something, Roger?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:53 (twenty-one years ago)

IS ANYONE ELSE DISOWNING ALL THOSE RED STATES OR IS IT JUST ME?

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG interview with local Bush supporter saying he's voting Bush because he doesn't want to live in a socialist state.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

My hope now is for WI, MI and MN to be held convincingly and OH and NH to go Kerry by 3-4pts

Kerry's trailing in all those states except NH. Starting to look grim.

― crap, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

xxpos to oops: fuck you loser

am i crazy, or did elections used to get SETTLED the NIGHT of the election? When I was a kid, i remember waking up the next morning, and we ALWAYS had a president

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC interative map has partial Ohio result at 51.5% Bush, 47.9% Kerry. Is that news?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:55 (twenty-one years ago)

179 - 112, guess who

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger - did there used to be all these cock-ups over ballots, and an army of lawyers to argue over them, though?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

No, you're right. Sweet progress, eh?

Bush also leading popular vote

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

that agrees with this:

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/SingleRaceSummary.aspx?race=PP

i'm scared.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(is it wrong for me to want to fight roger right now?)

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

err, x-post, that's a response to alba's ohio post.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

whatever will Adrock complain about when Bush wins, fair and square?

ps mookie - you'd lose

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I still wouldn't be jumping up and down, but a quick Bush lead should be expected. All the red states are getting counted early, Kerry picks up what, 52 in Cali?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

any news on michigan?!

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry's trailing in all those states except NH. Starting to look grim.

Trailing on the current count - but I can't believe the urban areas are reporting yet. Particularly in Minnesota, where Kerry took the exit poll by 9pts. Wisconsin does look distressingly close, yes.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm tracking results here, here and here.

― crap, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:01 (twenty-one years ago)

so, PA's looking good, anyway. FL and OH sounding bad on precinct counts, according to what peter snow just said. what are kerry's chances if it goes like that??

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

People! PEOPLE! Democracy, eh? Dear me.

I started watching clips off The Daily Show for a wee bit instead, and Star Parker and Neil Newhouse have been replaced by David Lloyd Dreyfuss and Another Man. Confusing. Bush 186-112 up. Kerry 32% up in Penn, Bush 5% up in Ohio and Florida. Peter unsure about whether it's too early to suggest any impact on the lawn, AK calls for Bush.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The B-E-P are coming out for Kerry in Boston. Oh bugger.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Arkansas calls for Bush. The Black Eyed Peas start playing. I can't cope with this. I'm going to bed.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Alba - be soothed by the neutrality of Bridget Kendall's dress sense.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha--I think there's more Brits on this thread at the moment than 'mericans.

I feel sick. This sucks. It's really painful to watch the results roll in this way.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I may be a loser but at least I'm not a SELF-IMPORTANT CONDESCENDING MORAN. How the fuck do you dress yourself in the morning?

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Misouri vush

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's more Brits on this thread at the moment than 'mericans.

Yeah, sorry. I was getting worried we were stealing your election. Maybe the USers are off at exciting parties...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm feel sick, too. has anyone got any info on michigan? is that still looking good for kerry?

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

er, Missouri Bush

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:05 (twenty-one years ago)

at least I'm not a SELF-IMPORTANT CONDESCENDING MORAN

THERE IS NO NEED TO CITE ANCIENT IRISH TRIBAL CONFLICTS

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

OH FUCK.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait for the west coast votes.

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:06 (twenty-one years ago)

(woops I got confused and thought this was Roger's thread, and therefore could let the insults fly)

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

oops - you misspelled 'moron'

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

cnn aren't calling it though

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I am glad I decided to drink tonight.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Alan says Missouri is a "minor disappointment". So all's well.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish i'd carried on drinking tonight (the fap earlier was very restrained, and i'm entirely sober now...).

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:09 (twenty-one years ago)

betfair has odds now well in Bush's favour but huge bets flowing to Kerry.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Do we all know what a 'moran' is by now?

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

just back, half cut from a RUFUS WAINWRIGHT gig. what's the news so i dont have 2 wade theu like, 600 posts? is the world going to hell in a handbasket? who's winning? is it still 'too close to call'?

summarise quickly, i'm 5 minutes away from falling asleep here.

― piscesboy, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:10 (twenty-one years ago)

There's two L's in Allan. We've been misspelling it all night. Oh crumbs.

Here's Dr. Kiron Skinner (Condoleeza's mate BUT A DEMOCRAT, Donna Summer) and Scott Rasmussen (political analyst, Willie Thorne without the 'tache).

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

bush winning, FL and OH still voting willl not know result before xmas,

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Hang about, how come they can call Missouri for Bush when he has a 3pt lead and a fifth of the votes are in and not call PA for Kerry when he's got a 24pt lead with twice the proportion of reporting precincts?

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know why I'm getting so upset over this when it is clearly not going to be decided any time soon.

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Samatha Bee is CRACKING ME UP on the Daily show right now. This is the happiest moment of the day so far.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i might wake my flatmate up in a minute. watching this alone was a mistake.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I drank my 2 beers already:( I didn't think I would need anymore....

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Liberal media, etc etc etc.

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even watch Jon Stewart without wanting to weep.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow Roger, I am astounded by your observational skills. GET ONE CLUE.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I get a new Blue State in the house?

― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I have Kerry up by 4 (county CA, OR, WA.)

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

*counting, rather...

― Dan Quisenberry (deangulberry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:14 (twenty-one years ago)

"Not depressed yet? Stay tuned..."

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I've watched over £6,000,000 of bets placed on betfair this evening, total bets on the presidential outcome £12.8m

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Particularly in Minnesota, where Kerry took the exit poll by 9pts.

Good call, Kerry has a lead in MN now.

― crap, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Calm down you guys. Milwaukee county has only 3% of precincts reporting (and Kerry leads), Cuyahoga county has only 10% of precincts reporting (with Kerry way out ahead) and Palm Beach county's 56% reporting -relatively low compared to the rest of the state- also heavily favors Kerry. All three are some of the largest, if not the largest, counties in their respective states.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Stewart taking shots at Keyes voters cheers me up

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Right, hands up who thinks Michael Crick's ever been in a bowling alley before?

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:19 (twenty-one years ago)

tinfoil and diapers haha

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

betfair: bush 7/20 kerry 95/40

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:20 (twenty-one years ago)

HI WHAT'D I MISS

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The BBC's interviewing the voters segment is proving pretty depressing.

(where is that?)

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry's down 250k votes in Florida, assume Palm Beach stays the same he picks up ~50k there, where's he going to find 200k votes across Florida?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:21 (twenty-one years ago)

CALL PENNSYLVANIA YOU SPINELESS HACKS!

― Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Alright... finally some comic relief. Larry King just attributed Nader running for president on a stroke he had 10 years ago.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:22 (twenty-one years ago)

bush being reigned in in OH 50.66% to 46.54%

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

haha ohio bowling alley = klassic

― zappi (joni), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter Snow makes me want to rush out and get a 50" screen

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I am a fuck of a lot less hopeful now than I was 4-5 hours ago.

I seriously am going to have some problems dealing with this if this pans out the way it appears to be heading.

What happened to GOTV? New, energized voters? Pissed off Howard Stern fans? Common sense graspers who can see the way this country and world is heading?

Too fucking depressing.

Luckily, I have tomorrow off. I will get drunk as a skunk regardless, and hope for the best and expect the worst.

Fuck.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN's pretty much projecting for The Shrub. It's depressing.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing is depressing! I wouldn't trust CNN to predict sunrise. Kerry is going to win.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Dear Jonathan,
I wanted to send you a quick note to thank you for your support. You've done the hard
work putting up the signs, making the phone calls, sending the emails, and writing the
letters. It comes down to today.
If you haven't voted already, please make sure you get to your voting location and vote today.
There is still time to help get your family and friends to the polls. Simply forward this
message to at least five people and encourage them to vote.
Four years ago, I made a pledge that if you elected me President, I would uphold
the honor and dignity of this office. With your help, today will be the beginning of four
more years.

Sincerely,
George W. Bush

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Where did that come from, Jon (I think that's who you are)?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, that's kind of a stupid question - was it sent as a joke? or seriously?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Isn't Jon just about ripe for drafting age? Should he really be celebrating?

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I got signed up for the "GOP TEAM LEADER" email list by a friend

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyone still up and watching it on the BBC? I'm loving that enthusiastic bloke in the studio with the terrible hair and the endless reserve of pop-cultural metaphors.

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck you guys! You really think I'm a republican!?!??!

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:30 (twenty-one years ago)

is it time to make OFFICIAL THREAD PART II?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm with Dan on Ohio, actually - I think GWB's lead will be eroded there as pro-Dem counties report; FL may be a lost cause, at least until later in the week and those absentee ballots. I'm still mildly confident of Kerry holding the northern Gore states. Kerry's early spurt in NH has vanished though.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:31 (twenty-one years ago)

won't that squew our bets on the number of replies to thread?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

no way dude, we've got those total post bets going. hook up your settings for last 50 answers.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(x-post)

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

CHANGE SETTINGS DUMB FUCKS LIKE THE MAN SAYS

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Someone was tampering with the computers in Florida

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

you can get 100/30 on kerry now.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, Jon, I wasn't accusing you of being Republican - I was just confused and stupid - I thought it was a general encouragement letter from Bush, sent by a relative, maybe. more than 1000 posts so far...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

My parents voted for Bush. I told them I am not returning to Virginia again, I am using Bush-ian scare tactics and emotional blackmail.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Allan, says we could tie the electoral college.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)

yo I'm shooting for over 3000. especially if this FL bullshit carries over to thursday.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Allan is suggesting the possibility of a tie. Oh bloody hell.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:36 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got it set to 50 already, 1000 posts just seems unwieldly in general.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

apparently, and i'm not making this up, John Kery is NAPPING right now.

Yet I'm awake.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I set to 50 a while ago - I couldn't post because it was too slow.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:38 (twenty-one years ago)

"Florida - where if you're not careful the sun will tan you a deep 'ineligible to vote' brown"

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:40 (twenty-one years ago)

David Dimbleby is rocking the Alba outrage at the polling station queues. Allan's continual hedging is v.entertaining.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously - what are you all going to do when Bush wins, fair and square, and you really can't blame Jeb, or hanging chads, or anything else? What if the coldness of the phrase "America has spoken" haunts your Wednesday (or Thursday, or Christmas...)? Who or what will you blame?

Not baiting, a serious question. Surely conspiracy theories are beginning to hatch, no?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:41 (twenty-one years ago)

tow the US out to space

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it's been too long since the last good riot in the streets.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll blame America, duh.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

What are you going to do if Bush wins, and you have four more years of destructive war and heading towards economic ruin? A Bush win is bad for you too, Roger.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You only get street riots with a stolen election. If it's just a bunch of dumbasses, you have to secede.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

go fuck wifey, roger. or drill a hole in a mirror and fuck that. either way, stop spooging on us.

― miccio! hi!, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Can we not turn this thread into a Roger vs the rest of world fite, plz?

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder if any state legislators will propose seccession, even if just to make a point?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe a Bush win will get even more people paying attention to politics (and his policies) - as well they should.

― Giant Douche, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Wifey is depressed about Bush's 'lead' and has resorted to playing San Andreas and smoking heself into oblivion

Kerry just won Pennsylvania, by the way

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

What, the majority of Americans are supposed to be smart now?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:45 (twenty-one years ago)

P. Diddy will kill a few people who didn't vote

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, yea like the last Bush "win" should have? xpost

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got mine set to 50 too ... Part II of this thread wouldn't affect our predictions, since we'd add the total # posts in any continuation threads.

My 1693 by noon tomorrow isn't looking very safe ... I think we're headed for about 2K.

Kerry's down 250k votes in Florida, assume Palm Beach stays the same he picks up ~50k there, where's he going to find 200k votes across Florida?

Does that total include absentee and advance voting numbers? Regardless, I agree that it's not looking great for Kerry now.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been advocating New England's secession for going on four years now...

― Turd Sandwich, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

New England! Sheesh we can't even get the *Valley* to secede.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Tim Russert's electronic chalk board makes me confused, but I think the point is that it all comes down to Ohio.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Seceding? Riots? oh grow up. We had a word for people like you when I was a kid - sore losers. No one wants to be a sore loser. This is the system you subscribe to, remember? This is MAJORITY RULE! This is my point - how can you complain??

That said, I hope you rioters are not bluffing. I'd love to see a good riot. Hell, I'll join in. I love a good riot!

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

PA called by reuters for Kerry.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Wifey is depressed about Bush's 'lead' and has resorted to playing San Andreas and smoking heself into oblivion

yeah but I'm assuming there's precedent that she likes seeing your dick. nobody here does. so stop baiting and needling, please. I don't want this to be a fight thread but I really wish you'd keep your shit to your own private little gazebo.

― miccio! hi!, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and majority is correct, is it? Is that why Justin Timberlake's so popular? Because he produces high quality music? Fucking weakest defence ever.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:49 (twenty-one years ago)

How is the electoral college a majority?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry can lose Florida if he kerries Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania (the latter of three looks likely at least...)

― Giant Douche, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't include absentee but should include early-voters. (Honestly I'm not counting on it going to the absentees.) Worse now than when I posted. FL is Bush country, I'm pretty sure. Start praying for OH and MI.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I like Justin Timberlake.

― k3rry (dymaxia), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:50 (twenty-one years ago)

xxxxpost Not really - i'm not ADVOCATING it, dumbass. YOU'RE the ones that have been rocking the fucking vote, urging everyone to VOTEVOTEVOTE etc etc. It's YOUR system! so,

weakest rebuttal ever.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

he already has PA

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

*whistles into the void*

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't remember urging anyone to vote. I remember urging people to vote for anyone who's not Bush.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

yea, and anyone here is seriously advocating it? xpost

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

why is it whenever we disagree, and try to engage in discourse, it's a 'fight' thread?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

BBC:

New Florida vote scandal feared

By Greg Palast
Reporting for Newsnight

A secret document obtained from inside Bush campaign headquarters in Florida suggests a plan - possibly in violation of US law - to disrupt voting in the state's African-American voting districts, a BBC Newsnight investigation reveals.

Election supervisor Ion Sancho believes some voters are being intimidated

Two e-mails, prepared for the executive director of the Bush campaign in Florida and the campaign's national research director in Washington DC, contain a 15-page so-called "caging list".

It lists 1,886 names and addresses of voters in predominantly black and traditionally Democrat areas of Jacksonville, Florida.

An elections supervisor in Tallahassee, when shown the list, told Newsnight: "The only possible reason why they would keep such a thing is to challenge voters on election day."

Ion Sancho, a Democrat, noted that Florida law allows political party operatives inside polling stations to stop voters from obtaining a ballot.

Mass challenges

They may then only vote "provisionally" after signing an affidavit attesting to their legal voting status.

Mass challenges have never occurred in Florida. Indeed, says Mr Sancho, not one challenge has been made to a voter "in the 16 years I've been supervisor of elections."

"Quite frankly, this process can be used to slow down the voting process and cause chaos on election day; and discourage voters from voting."

Sancho calls it "intimidation." And it may be illegal.

A Republican spokeswoman did not deny that voters would be challenged at polling stations.

In Washington, well-known civil rights attorney, Ralph Neas, noted that US federal law prohibits targeting challenges to voters, even if there is a basis for the challenge, if race is a factor in targeting the voters.

The list of Jacksonville voters covers an area with a majority of black residents.

When asked by Newsnight for an explanation of the list, Republican spokespersons claim the list merely records returned mail from either fundraising solicitations or returned letters sent to newly registered voters to verify their addresses for purposes of mailing campaign literature.

Republican state campaign spokeswoman Mindy Tucker Fletcher stated the list was not put together "in order to create" a challenge list, but refused to say it would not be used in that manner.

Rather, she did acknowledge that the party's poll workers will be instructed to challenge voters, "Where it's stated in the law."

There was no explanation as to why such clerical matters would be sent to top officials of the Bush campaign in Florida and Washington.

In Jacksonville, to determine if Republicans were using the lists or other means of intimidating voters, we filmed a private detective filming every "early voter" - the majority of whom are black - from behind a vehicle with blacked-out windows.

The private detective claimed not to know who was paying for his all-day services.

On the scene, Democratic Congresswoman Corinne Brown said the surveillance operation was part of a campaign of intimidation tactics used by the Republican Party to intimidate and scare off African American voters, almost all of whom are registered Democrats.

― impeach the bastard, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

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― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

New Mexico not callable until tomorrow due to absentee ballots.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Telling people to vote because that is the reality of the system you live in doesn't mean you believe in majority rule. It's YOUR system too, Roger.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Colbert is calling for a return to good-old-fashioned looting!

* biting my nails and smoking all my cigarettes *

― Adam Bruneau (oliver8bit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger, it's a 'fight' because you're trolling.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

and you can't blame Nader this time either. He has less than 1%

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

why is it whenever we disagree, and try to engage in discourse, it's a 'fight' thread?

You're the one who started with the hah-in-your-face crap.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that it bothers me, you're only a Republican support.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

-er.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:54 (twenty-one years ago)

The presence of Roger on this thread surely will help my 3500 posts prediction...

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and this, Roger:

"It's YOUR system!"

is wrong, because it's not my system.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

where's the cream filling?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger's just playing devil's advocate. that's what stupid people do.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought roger had his own thread

what are the numbers in michigan looking like?

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

uh, yea like the last Bush "win" should have?

If you're referring to people paying attention to Bush's policies, no I don't think people have paid close enough attention or fully realize the implications of his policies.

They, the hivemind that is the American electorate, needs to have their nose smeared in his shit before they realize, that hey! Whaddya y'know? It's shit!

― Turd Sandwich, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

oh boy, here come the 'racism' shouts

i find the idea of a bunch of whiny nerdy uptight conservative retirees 'intimidating' Florida's African American population absolutely fucking hilarious.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:55 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah rog you got your own thread set up.
something tells me that you're the type of person who loves to bitch and moan when things beyond his control don't suit his likes, so please spare me the sore loser shit.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

YEAH CA!

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:56 (twenty-one years ago)

have fun living in my socialist paradise motherfucker!!!!!

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the geographicalness of all the votes

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

type of person who loves to bitch and moan when things beyond his control don't suit his likes,

Where I'm from, we call those people Libertarian Party supporters.

Oh, hey...

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Palo Alto Surprise

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The presence of Roger on this thread surely will help my 3500 posts prediction...

Aaron, you're intimidating posters in an attempt to drive up the posting rate ... I call shenanigans. You will be hearing from my lawyers very soon.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I love my state.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

here is a 2000 map with state sizes adjusted by population:

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~sara/html/mapping/election/popden97.gif

xpost surely

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Why do I only get one hour of the Daily Show? I can't watch any of the other networks, they'll make me ill.

Lazy bastards.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

WEST SIDE MOTHERFUCKERS

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the geographicalness of all the votes

Yeah, it almost looks unfair that Bush won't win when you see how much land the Republicans cover.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

17% of Americans age 18-30 voted in this election, same as 2000. Way to go, generation.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought the daily show special was really blah this year.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

CA just went to kerry.

― brock (brock), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

fuck this shit I am getting really depressed now

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.globalhermit.com/ilx/Bizarro.gif

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v38/killerwaves/hilaryduff.bmp

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That's 55 big electoral votes.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:00 (twenty-one years ago)

GIF! GIF! GIF! GIF! GIF!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I'm guessing Kerry's going to win the popular vote... the popular vote is relatively much much closer than the electorate vote at this point.... (sigh, if it only mattered)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:01 (twenty-one years ago)

AZ still voting, but called for bush

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:02 (twenty-one years ago)

the georgraphy one the county level is neat too.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/election.main/top.2233.calif.ivoted.ap.jpg

front page, cnn

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:04 (twenty-one years ago)

This is an extract from the news forum on livejournal, where people waded in when the LJ heads posted "GO AND VOTE!" with each side's ranting. This is a 15 year old media guzzling kid. She wants to vote bush. This is what naivety and the media produce in a kid:

"The news? The news is biased. Most newspapers and stations are owned by liberals. Only Fox news is good because it shows both sides.

And, why?

1) Marriage should be between a man and woman. Only ppl of no values think otherwise

2) Abortion is murder. It is. Don't tell me the baby can't feel anything, because they can.

3) Bush has values. He knows what he stands for."

BE VERY AFRAID.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, jon is that a picture of you?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

WHAT HAPPENED TO SPIDEY!?!

http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~sara/html/mapping/election/popden97.gif

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I've BEEN very afraid.

xxpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that from Nowell's blog?

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

there's a bunch of people in white shirts carrying an american flag screaming shit... think campus republicans

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I CALLED PA U MUTHAS IT'S NOT CLOSE...

thank you :-)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:06 (twenty-one years ago)

goddamn america I am beginning to hate you

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbit: yeah its horrible innit? We just went thru all this, the conservatives got back in here, and now, wouldnt you know it, they're pushing all these reforms they conveniently didnt even mention during their campaign. Like less money for unis, bans on LT abortions, etc. Ugh. UGH.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:07 (twenty-one years ago)

"beginning"

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Small victories column: Minnesota is still leaning Kerry, after all the fretting that followed the disasterous '02 elections.

Unfortunately, Wisconsin is going pretty hardcore Bush at this point, cancelling that gain out.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Being 23 minutes into the Allman Brothers' "Mountain Jam" is making me a heck of a lot calmer right now.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I think this is the part where I start praying Colin Powell sticks around.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Minnesota in being far classier than its neighbors SHOCKAH!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Best case scenario for a clear Kerry victory is taking OH and NH - but all those provisional ballots in the former will be contested and the latter is likely to be so close as to be subject to recounts. FL is probably gone and we won't know the fate of NM until tomorrow. Kerry has ground to make up in WI and (unbelievably) MI.

I think I have to go to bed.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I still don't get why the fuck anyone would vote for Bush. Do they hand out a free lobotomy with every trailer or something?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want you all to be more positive.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:10 (twenty-one years ago)

it's still doable. I'm afraid of a multi-day drawn out process again in Ohio

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:11 (twenty-one years ago)

goddamn america I am beginning to hate you
-- kyle (akmonda...), November 3rd, 2004 10:07 PM.

Meanwhile...

... so, yeah... Kyle OTM.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

be happy Obama won

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want you all to be more positive.
-- Kevin Gilchrist (KevinGil14...), November 3rd, 2004.

why? its not gonna affect it this late!

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Positivity is it's own end.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I say this with all measure of reasonable levelheadedness...

FUCK YOU AMERICA!!!!!!!!!

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

er.

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

do you wear pryamid hats? :-P

x-post

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

what the fuck was up with those exit polls.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

way to go making fun of a 15 year old kid. Tough.

"fuck you america." Brilliant. Are you in Godspeed You Black Emperor?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Allan reckons FL is solidly Bush now.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I POOP ON AMERICAN FLAG

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish I had some pot.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Yahoo calls WA for Kerry. OK, I'm too tired to do the maths: Kerry has sneaked out to an early lead in NV - let's say it's OH plus NH plus NV minus WI minus NM. Is that enough? (I actually think it might be cos it was my original prediction. Hawaii might screw it up again).

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I am not wearing, nor have I ever worn, a pyramid hat. But seriously, a positive outlook produces positive results.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Roger in a jealousy of prominent liberal indie fux shocka

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Was that aimed at me Rog? I wasnt making fun of a 15 year old kid. I was pointing out that if a 15 year old kid will blindly believe "Fox is the only unbiased news and the others are all liberals" then that is very very sad.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I am someone who is coming to the realization that the majority of the country is fine, thank you, with telling everyone of my sexual orientation that we are unworthy to be called human beings. Nothing more.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

If the US wasn't so close-minded and fucking self-absorbed*, Bush wouldn't have received a single vote.

* generalisation obv

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

But what does it matter what I think? I'm not an american.

Eh anyway. Best, y'all, this is stressful.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:16 (twenty-one years ago)

It matters, Trayce, because we're totally affected by this. It's more relevant to us than the Australian election IMO.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:17 (twenty-one years ago)

The anti gay marriage stuff on the state level wouldn't even bother me that much except for the whole part where they dont recognize unions or marriages of other states... ugh fuck you right wingers

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I mean, I bring up the gay marriage thing because, more so than whether Bush or Kerry wins either the popular or electoral vote or this or that, the overwhelming trend demonstrated here towards writing unabashed discrimination into state constitutions tells me far more about the direction of this asshole country.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:19 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish people would treat other people like people.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Rog in spectacularly missing the point shocka.

I hate all this "he's not going to win, no wait he's gonna win! shit he's gonna lose wait no...." shit. Let me know when they've got it all sorted out and a winner has been declared.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i wish people would treat other people like people.

What if they're Republican?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I would love to see more of this anger directed in useful ways though I must admit. Y'all sitting around getting drunk does SFA.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:20 (twenty-one years ago)

keep in mind that the coasts are very liberal.... its not all of us

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops OTM, it aint over til the fat lady sings.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

is there any chance of florida and/or ohio being called anytime soon?! if not i'm off to bed.

― toby (tsg20), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost, even if they're republican...i guess.

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

SFA?????

http://www.popmatters.com/music/concerts/s/images/super-furry-animals.jpg

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

It's 4:20 in the morning here, the only other thing I could do is sleep.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Ahahaha. In Australia Liberal means 'Bush supporter', more or less.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

is nader growing a moustache?!@?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Toby: Florida might be, Ohio not, I guess.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King in the BBC studio!

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

is that an anal cunt song title? xpost

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King?! Holy fuck.

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King, political pundit (stop the madness now says suzy)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

DON KING IS ON THE BBC!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I say we need to start a "lets ignore the election and cybersex0r each other instead" thread or something.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"keep in mind that the coasts are very liberal.... its not all of us"

there's something about the salt water.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I say we need to start a "lets ignore the election and cybersex0r each other instead" thread or something.

DO IT.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Why aren't the networks calling Florida? I don't see a way for Kerry to pick up 300k votes.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

In Australia Liberal means 'Bush supporter', more or less.

But in Australia, Bush means Outback, whereas in the US, Outback is a steakhouse.

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops OTM, it aint over til the fat lady sings.
-- Trayce (spamspanke...), November 3rd, 2004 10:21 PM.

To be clear, I'm not bitching about the presidential race. I'm bitching about this bullshit. (But, I guess you all probably figured that one out already.

I'm perfectly content holding in my grief/elation over the presidential race for days to come.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King citing aussie election as precedent, cunt

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King in not making any sense shockah!

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

http://themeparks.universalstudios.com/orlando/website/images/usf_attractions/jaws.jpg

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I had that misunderstanding w/ an Australian once. Here, liberal=Democratic party and Republican=conservative in general

a billion xposts

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe Florida is still voting and becides, they are all chickenshit

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i think there are over a million absentee ballots from liberal counties in florida

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Orbit: Yep, and in Australia liberal = Labor [red] and conservative = Liberal [blue]. Makes things very confusing.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

All that gay marriage banning shit passed, except possibly in Oregon.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm more FOR gay marriage than Prince John Kerry, by the way. I'm ALL FOR IT. No exceptions. I guess that rocks your world, me being a 'right wing fuck' and all.

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King also using a form of "Because of Bush you can vote" fallacy.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King citing aussie election as precedent, cunt

I bet he doesnt bother pointing out that our election now means majority tory rule and the bastards are pushing all these hitherto hidden reforms I know for sure people wouldnt have voted in :/

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

yes you're a dumb fuck libertarian whiner

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:27 (twenty-one years ago)

incidentally betting has been fast but not fluctuating odds wise. People still able to get odds on bush.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yes but is ralph nader growing a moustache?

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Don King's GOD BLESS THE QUEEN TONY BLAIR AND THE UK stuff is borderline terrifying

― M1chael Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ph1lip Ann0yman (Ferg), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

meanwhile, in sudan the crisis is getting worse

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Alaksa is trying to legalize weed?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Florida has been closed for hours. 95% of precincts reporting, Kerry's down by 303k votes. I think it would require him to pick up every vote not counted and every absentee vote to tie.

xpost
I don't think there are close to that many absentees in the entire state, much less Dem-leaning.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

WEEDE!!!!!!!

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think FL is voting at 11:30PM, are they? Anyway, the Miami votes having been taken into account, and y'all know how urban areas tend to vote.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah shit sorry everyone, that pic i posted comes up with some fskcing password thing :/

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Aw Trayce - have you broken the internet?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Mods! Can someone undo the html of the img I posted?

I feel like a dork now.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Miami votes HAVEN'T been...

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I hope Alaska legalizes marijuana. That'd be neat.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry pulls ahead in Michigan, btw - for those with an interest in small mercies. Oh, and he's 8000 votes clear in NH with 69% votes counted.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.glarkware.com/media/product_main_u_america_1.jpg

― Leon in Exile (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN should call kerry for oregon already... once they get to most of western washington, i'm guessing that will go for kerry too.

sadly, the ban on gay marriage in oregon seems to be barely passing. :(

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Never before has the phrase 'Cha't of ah'p of Chreiysy' been more appropriate.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Broward - 97% counted
Miami-Dade - 96%
Palm Beach 93%

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh fucking hell here comes Richard Perle.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Something tells me a gay marriage ban would pass in fucking New York at this point. Honestly, this nation is more uppity than a flock of poodles.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

poodles are hella gay though...

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Florida called for Bush.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

bbc call florida for bush

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking old people.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

hate to sound happy about it, but it's about time they called Florida. That was just pointless stalling.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

so what does kerry need to win to guarentee victory?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

A time machine and a different leader.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

actually the old people voted Kerry--the Latinos voted Bush.
xxpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:37 (twenty-one years ago)

fucking cubans

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The minute he said 'My name is John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty' I knew we were all in trouble.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry now ahead in WI too; looking at the OH precincts underrepresented in the current total, I guess Kerry could make up 80-90,000 votes in Cuyahoga but Bush might erode a lot of that in Clermont (someone who knows these areas should tell me if I'm talking rubbish). Kerry currently trails in Ohio by 130,000.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:38 (twenty-one years ago)

it's not official (at least not by cnn standards), but lets face it florida is fucking lost. fucking hell, did the buchanan mistakes swing to bush or something. wtf???

ohio isn't looking particularly good either. 52/48 bush/kerry.

xxxxpost

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Allan is very proud of his early call for Florida...

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Florida reported to have an 80% turnout by the BBC.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

(11:22:19 PM) wizardishungry: what the fuck is wrong with you
i hope you die in iraq
(11:42:45 PM) OtterbeinGal: who is this?
why r u saying i hope i die in iraq
who r u
how did u get my sn?
(11:44:17 PM) wizardishungry: i hope you get cancer and cant afford healthcare dipshit
do you hate black people?
(11:45:10 PM) OtterbeinGal: what the hell
i dont hate anyone
who is this
i think u have the wrong person bucks
(11:45:29 PM) wizardishungry: a flip flopper
douchebag
(11:45:30 PM) OtterbeinGal: bucko*
i am a college student
female at that
dont even know who u r
(11:45:49 PM) wizardishungry: have some fucking compassion then

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm simultaneously surprised that anyone would vote for Bush and that as many people voted for Kerry. People are so friggin dumb it makes my head spin.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

please, forces for rightness in the universe, turn ohio blue

please please please please please please

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:42 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf is wrong with you?

xxpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't look too good, though Kerry's holding firm in most of the Gore states... all will hinge on Ohio; one hopes all present to vote were allowed to: the BBC reports spoke of thousands queuing after the closing time.

Could it actually be so that only 2 states change hands? WI to Bush and NH to Kerry...

NM and OH of course still can't be called...

― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry xxxpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:44 (twenty-one years ago)

WI could still stay dem.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

everything you need to know about ohio:

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

what the fuck was up with those exit polls.
The same shit that was up with them in 2000.

TV coverage-wise, this is exactly the opposite of 2000. Four years ago, everyone jumped on the exit polls numbers and called stuff right and left (no pun intended). Now, the networks are filling time with completely useless content because nobody wants to take a risk of calling everything even in the face of obvious and nearly overwhelming evidence.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.theodora.com/flags/burning/seoul_010601_ap.jpg

http://www.theodora.com/flags/burning/art_photo_by_zigy_kaluzny.jpg

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I still think Kerry will win. I have faith.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I've switched to "Dick's Picks, Vol. 16." And I now wish I had a massive, enormous bong.

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I find this refreshing.
xpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:46 (twenty-one years ago)

you can now get 7/1 on kerry and lengthening.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohio is going to turn out to be a godawful mess at this rate. Dubious paper ballot business + small margin = recipe for disaster.

― RickyT (RickyT), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The guy on the BBC is busy ruining lots of guys chat up attempts.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

"Thank you for voting in the state of Florida and for using Diebold Election Systems. Depending on how you voted, your choices may be adjusted in order to preserve the safety of your country."

― Andy K (Andy K), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The girls of Columbus have some mighty fine jawbones.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

CBS news is acknowledging that Kerry is in trouble. CNN still isn't saying jack shit.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:49 (twenty-one years ago)

ARGH

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Only a couple more votes before that password is out of my 50 post line of sight!

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

250,000 provisional votes in Ohio.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:50 (twenty-one years ago)

What I don't get is why did 2% of people with income over $200,000 vote for Nader and only 1% of people under $75,000?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Mozilla zarched it after 2 loads.
xpost

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

i really think it's over. i think he's going to lose one of the midwest gore states, and ohio will be won outside the margin. i have no idea what happened, except the younguns (16%??? FUCK YOU!) and the blog-fuelled grassroots were nothing but hot air-filled mirages. best of all: the democrats will never trust you again.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Votes? Posts! Jon, lets talk about Monkey Island to lighten the mood, assuming your name isn't ironic.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

are provisional votes in the tally?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yanc3y - why would you lose trust in the Dems over this?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:52 (twenty-one years ago)

no, the other way around, kevin

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, sorry, I was being stupid again.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Where are you guys getting the numbers on the Age 18-30 voters? How are these numbers out already?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

You fight like a dairy farmer.

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

that bushite on bbc is cuet.

― :| (....), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:54 (twenty-one years ago)

So I had some time after work and school to stop by a polling place being worked by a few relatives of mine -- including my mother (I dropped her off early in the morning). I was still having a little difficulty figuring out whom to vote for, so I figured I could hang out at the polling place for awhile. I ended up volunteering my services to help out with the voting. (I had worked the 2000 elections, so basically knew how to handle certain things, and had operated our new electronic voting system earlier this year during the primaries, so knew how to handle others.) After an hour of assisting voter after voter after voter, I came to a momentous realization. As much as I'd griped in the past about the stridency of the media's Democratic Party-loving elite (including Michael Moore, Al Franken, and Susan Sarandon), I realized that our county contained just as many strident "oh, I just want to vote a straight Republican ticket" voters, and for the first time, I felt quite turned off by those people whose party affiliation I had shared not even a year ago. That, combined with the many finer points well made by my Voice of Reason and with realizing that the classical conservatism that first attracted me to the Republican party was, in essence, ancient history, made me realize that I should do what I had never in my entire politically-oriented life dreamed I would ever do -- vote Democratic on the presidential race. So that's what I ended up doing. To my extreme shock and, at the end, relief. For the personalities of the most devoted Republican Party cheerleaders have changed drastically since 2000 for some mysterious reason or another. In 2000, the people I knew in the party were sober, thoughtful, careful. In 2004, the people I saw were loud, brash, and passionate almost to the point of violence, and that scared me, made me shameful.

So... ladies and gents, thus ends one era in my life. I voted for Kerry, and don't think I'm looking back.

― Dee Logged-Out One, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

let's take the ability to vote away from them, they don't fucking use it anyway and pandering to them is just a goddamned waste of money and time!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:55 (twenty-one years ago)

please please please. ohio. please.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Florida - 27 electoral votes
2. Pennsylvania - 21
3. Ohio - 20
4. Minnesota - 10
5. Wisconsin - 10
6. Iowa - 7
7. Nevada - 5
8. New Mexico - 5
9. New Hampshire - 4

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurrah for Dee!

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

My parents are in the living room watching M*A*S*H* reruns on the Hallmark channel.
They practically shushed me trying to give an election update as I was talking over some 30 year old Hawkeye witticism. This is America, folks.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

At least this is the end of the charade of American 'democracy'. Nobody will bother voting next time, even if they're allowed to, and hopefully people will be forced to start constructing a serious alternative to this farce.

― rwillmsen (rwillmsen), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:57 (twenty-one years ago)

while yr second sentence might be correct, rwillmsen, the rest is pure bullshit

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

That's cool Dee, very cool.

Oh, and "How appropriate you fight like a cow!" (actually, this isn't as funny as it was when I was younger...)

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:58 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN still isn't calling Florida.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 04:59 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bush lead in Ohio is now 152k. I give up. NV and NH may come over to the Kerry column but it's not enough.

Good night.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

My head's about to explode. So, has it been determined if the FL absentee ballots were factored in? Ohio? Kerry pretty much has to run the table if he's going to have any chance. All my guests left from what turned out to be a godawful election party (except for my lasagna).

Fuck.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

WI, NH and MN getting closer to kerry calls.

people backing bush at less than 5% returns, but people still taking bets. kerry 10/1 plus but very little money in it.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:00 (twenty-one years ago)

57% of people who didn't vote in 2000 voted for Kerry this time.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

(of the people that voted this time)

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:01 (twenty-one years ago)

washington state what the fukkkk??

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok so when do we find out about OH?

― Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:02 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus, FINALLY western washington takes off with the kerry votes.. was worried there for a sec.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that an accoustic 'Living on a Prayer' in the background. Dear God.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

what the fuck has to happen in your country before people vote along different lines? the president mutilates the genitals of every firstborn child? the entire country sinks into the ocean? 9/11 has changed nothing.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and "How appropriate you fight like a cow!" (actually, this isn't as funny as it was when I was younger...)

Thanks for noticing Kevin. It was the only one I could remember off the top of my head.

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

the end of the 'charade' of democracy? Are you listening to yourself, drama queen?

side note: I honestly can't believe that with all the yelling and screaming and sidewalk stenciling, only 16% goddam percent of 'young people' voted. That's a disgrace. I'd be disappointed if I was in the least bit shocked. Actually, that's a lie - this time, I AM shocked.

I mean, Jesus. What the fuck was everybody DOING, anyway? Watching The Swan?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.analse.cx/

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i am pleased to read what dee wrote.

i am not liking this ... i am feeling sick. i wasn't expecting FL really ... it's all on OH's back. and i really don't know what john kerry or john edwards could've done better. let's hope that i am just panicking.

shit!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:06 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN calls FL for Bush

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, if things go the way they're going, we might soon find out, m

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:07 (twenty-one years ago)

P diddy is on NBC now

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Wonderful story, Dee.

― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:08 (twenty-one years ago)

This was the utter and complete failure of GOTV. Massive efforts are worthless; it was all a waste of time.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

what the fuck has to happen in your country before people vote along different lines? the president mutilates the genitals of every firstborn child?

He's already done that, just not in the United States.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:09 (twenty-one years ago)

DEVO are from Ohio! This give me hope. WHat's that Devo line about state that's a riddle where the answer is O-HI-O?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess it's gonna have to get a lot worse before it gets better in this country. A shitload more worse. Crimony.

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You got your left hand
You got your right hand
You got both hands
You got praying hands

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

23:50:17 wizardishungry: voting for a crazyman?
23:50:24 otterbeingal: uh ok
23:50:26 otterbeingal: whatever
23:50:32 otterbeingal: u have no idea who i am
23:50:34 otterbeingal: geez
23:50:53 wizardishungry: blood on your hands dude
23:51:17 otterbeingal: im not a dude
23:51:27 otterbeingal: i am a female geez dumbass get it rigth
23:51:30 wizardishungry: do you enjoy gender roles?
23:51:34 wizardishungry: do you like cooking and cleaning
23:51:36 wizardishungry: and having babies?
23:51:42 otterbeingal: yes
23:51:53 wizardishungry: do you think a man is the head of the household?
23:51:58 otterbeingal: yes
23:52:09 wizardishungry: you are a fucking moron!
23:52:30 wizardishungry: do you think the earth is 6000 years old
OtterbeinGal disconnected (23:52:56)

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you know who that is, Jon?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:13 (twenty-one years ago)

WE'RE ALL A BUNCH OF FUCKING IDIOTS

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

bush camp calling it for them.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I just got home from the Kerry rally; had to leave when nonsoking vs smoking asshats started acting like they were going to fight. Someone who I am convinced was a stoned ILXor was shoving people left and right looking for hash. He tried to use my cell phone to call "his mom". Good times.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Jon that last bit about gender roles was pure genius.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

time to revive the picture thread - will any kind of protest or riot happen in actuality though?

― Richard K (Richard K), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:15 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going across the bridge to the 19th ward to get all the people in projects to follow me to the suburbs to LOOT AND BURN!!!!

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

When do we find out who won?

― Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:16 (twenty-one years ago)

are pilot lessons expensive?

― :| (....), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm so depressed.

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're going to have a riot, go to a red state before you begin rioting.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sitting here thinking the same thing. Bush has been a failure on all counts and should've been defeated handedly. Well, he's been a failure on all counts EXCEPT public relations. This election is the final proof that politics aren't about what a politician does, but what his handlers say. I mean W's major selling point, the issue that gets a lot of people to support him, is terrorism. WTF? He had warning about 9/11 and did nothing. He had Osama cornered and let him get away. He diverted attention away from that failure by starting an unprovoked, unconnected war that has turned out disastrous.
WHAT. THE. FUCK.

I give up. This isn't my country, I just live here. I don't give a shit what happens to it.

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

We all are Mandee

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, this is turning depressing and I need to get some sleep, but I still have a shred of hope that the clock radio will wake me up tomorrow morning with the news that Kerry has pulled out a victory.

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

UGH COLORADO WENT RED

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:18 (twenty-one years ago)

If you're going to have a riot, go to a red state before you begin rioting.

-- Rockist_Scientist (oumtransmission...) (webmail), November 3rd, 2004 12:17 AM. (rockist_scientist) (later) (link)

the suburbs here are ultra rich and right wing

the city is poor and liberal

NO GOOD PUBLIC TRANSIT THANKS A LOT DOOSHBAGSS!!

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

if bush does win, the galvanizing that occurred today won't be forgotten easily... one shady win by a hair can be overlooked. two wins by a hair in a row isn't something forgotten.

what exactly this means for the next four years, i'm not sure yet.. and again, i don't know how this will turn out. but this has absolutely proven that 9/11 hasn't changed anything, for better or worse, but that americans do care, whether you agree with half of them or not. it's sickening and promising at the same time.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

This just makes everyone who supposedly 'cares' look entirely ineffectual. I know it's a banal point to make in the grand scheme, but how irrelevant are album titles like 'Stealing of a Nation' and 'Hail to the Thief' going to look now, and for all time?

Personal politics aside, I'm not suprised Kerry is losing, and I'm not sad about it. What I am sad about is that my 'peers,' 'friends' and others endeavoring for 'change' have failed in a big way tonight. The whole thing reminds me of that Weathermen rally where only 150
people showed up.

What I'm trying to say is that I didn't expect to be sad about this, but Jesus, what a catastrophe.

I hate Kerry, but a teensy weensy itsy bitsy part of me wanted my friends to be happy tomorrow.

And I wanted Otep, Drive By Truckers, Ted Leo and Sonic Youth to be happy tomorrow.

And I would have liked to see some of the more well-meaning ILXors posting dumb pictures of fireworks and comets and baby monkeys smiling tomorrow.

A part of me naively wanted to feel like the bubble of indie / counterculturalism / punkrock / Adbusters I've been living in WAS representative of the country at large.

But this is fucking ALTAMONT, people. And I've never been more sincere about anything here, and I am not gloating (I never did care much for Bush).

Seriously, what now? What ELSE could possibly be done to get people to vote / care? How will anybody ever care again?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of this thread is so twee.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

He had warning about 9/11 and did nothing. He had Osama cornered and let him get away. He diverted attention away from that failure by starting an unprovoked, unconnected war that has turned out disastrous.

Your dollar's dropped pretty substantially in recent years too, hasn't it?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know whats more frustrating, your state voting red, or your state voting blue and it not mattering even though it carries 55 freakin Electoral Votes. This sucks.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

roger otm re: altamont. the only difference being when did we ever have any power to lose?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

in a few words, the u.s. has proven that it's seriously schizo..

(personally, i'm sad about the same-sex marriage bans more than anything presidential, really)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

hmmm

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it, I'm moving to Canada.

― planescapin' 'til dawn (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"only difference" a bit of an overstatement, but tonight we all wear the green pimp suit.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

how irrelevant are album titles like 'Stealing of a Nation' and 'Hail to the Thief' going to look now, and for all time?

Radiohead said the name had nothing to do with US politics.

I guess falsehoods come naturally to you Bush supporters.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:22 (twenty-one years ago)

What? 9/11 has sure as fucked changed things. There's no way a utter nob like Bush would win without preying on the fear 9/11 has engendered in people (most of whom live in Podunktown, USA and will never be targeted by terrorists)

― oops (Oops), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for being sad, twikiho. My sexual orientation is on suicide watch right now.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

PEOPLE IN OHIO HAVE WAITED 10 HOURS TO VOTE

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:23 (twenty-one years ago)

4ss4ssination would almost be darwinian at times like these.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Certainly desirable.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what the heck is wrong with the polling places in Ohio!?!?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

not to try and sour everybody in the states, but if things don't turn out right, how many of you saying you're moving to canada are really going to move to canada? do you know what's involved in moving to canada?

oops, you do have a point there...

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

SOME PEOPLE IN OHIO WILL NOT VOTE UNTIL 3AM TONIGHT

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(this is all on nbc)

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah Mandee Jon and I were just IMing each other about Montreal.

― From a Land of Grass Without Mirrors (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:25 (twenty-one years ago)

what was that thing earlier in the night about paper ballots in ohio? is this going to be the reigning argument? do people even have the energy to argue anymore?

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus you guys write waaay too much.

I've been grading papers all night so no internet. listening to npr since I don't have TV, starting to feel cranky about it.

some good things: my 51-yr old brother and my 26-yr old brother voted for the first time ever today. My brother was pissed that TX went to Bush and I had to explain this was normal but it was still important to vote. For the sticker.

bad things: I didn't get a sticker. :( On my way in to the polling place the front door of a van opened nearly smashing me in the face and a little black girl eating a bag of fritos said, "you tacky!" I was wearing a red sweater and black slacks, how is that tacky!

just in: 97% of ohio counted, bush leading with 51%

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

As for 4ss4sination, I think Bush the Martyr would be harder to bear than this.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

That's it, I'm moving to Canada.
Hi Mandee, move to Toronto plz ok good.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I think twikiho is wrong, though. Two wins, by hook or by crook or legit means a legacy. Thirty years from now my kids (ha) are going to be pissed off on their cyber-implant message boards while NewsMegaCorp (only media provider left) eulogizes Dubya's valiant fight against terrorism and what good he did for billionaires everywhere.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

yanc3y totally fortifies my point about caring. if people are willing to wait 10 hours to vote, they certainly now have the stamina to possibly get involved in civil protest.. people who possibly have never been involved in protests before... it's a minor victory, at the very least, one would hope.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:28 (twenty-one years ago)

still voting in Ohio

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

This "9/11 hasn't changed anything" is completely backwards. Terrorists threatening our national security = pure gold for the Republicans.

― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

As for 4ss4sination, I think Bush the Martyr would be harder to bear than this.

harder to bear than a back-door draft and thousands of war casulities? More then continued drops in job rates and rise in the defecit? More so than a gutting of the medicaid/medicare program and the pushing of an educational reform that does nothing to help schools what so ever? More so than Dick Cheney and George Herbert deciding the next supreme court justice?

I'd take the martyrdom, thanks.

(xpost, and yes still voting in ohio, that's why it wasn't with 100% in)

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:29 (twenty-one years ago)

about a 2k vote lead in ohio. even if there are that many uncounted provisional ballots, it's pretty moot isn't it.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

People in Ohio waiting 10 hours to vote sounds a lot like how Chavez got 're-elected' in Venezuela last time...

― Richard K (Richard K), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:30 (twenty-one years ago)

It occurs to me that Obama will be the DFL ticket in '08... if only because he's just about the only one left who'll have a job after tonight.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

some good things: my 51-yr old brother and my 26-yr old brother voted for the first time ever today

I still think Kerry will win, but if he doesn't, a victory can be fashioned from these small, personal victories. I think the hours of waiting are like this too.

X-posts - I mean that a martyr inspires his imitators, protected by emotional blackmail and idolatry.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:31 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't canada threaten to go all fucking scary ass right wing every few years? that plus cold weather does not equal any kind of paradise to me.

I'll stay in california and join some movement to overthrow the goverment

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

a lot of those are brand new voters. big lines at college students etc. The under-30 vote usually goes democrat.

xpost still ohio

on martyrs - conservatives and republicans martyring themselves? oh, that would be so sad. ( i just don't care about them)

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"threaten to"

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

doesn't canada threaten to go all fucking scary ass right wing every few years? that plus cold weather does not equal any kind of paradise to me.
You've never been to Canada, have you?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i went to sleep around midnight with the TV on. i just woke up. shit. getting stoned and going back to bed now, perhaps FOREVER!

― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I've joked about using my position as a teacher to build a secret army of youths to take over the city of Dallas. Maybe I should think seriously about how to broaden that plan. . .

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, I'm not being clear. If a leader dies in that way, he becomes deified - his legacy is solid gold, his successor will show pictures of him to the electorate, persue even more extreme forms of his policies because it is hard to criticise him without being open to being accused of defiling the dead.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

hyperbolizing, but british columbia's premier is a total right winger, despite lefty vancouver.. (which actually isn't that lefty if you take into account the greater area...)

overall, canada isn't scary right wing at all, but there are certainly shades of it, and it comes and goes in ways canadians least expect, as opposed to the u.s. malaise of eternal "republican" vs. "democrat"

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:35 (twenty-one years ago)

dems get one back in maine

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:36 (twenty-one years ago)

MN, called for kerry.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)

this infamous night four years ago, I fell asleep in front of the tv hearing gore, woke up hearing bush and continued to wake up every couple of hours, in horror and what was going on.

minnesota for kerry

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:37 (twenty-one years ago)

well, at least bush can't win again a third time... *cough cough puke sob*

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the KY senator guy is crazy

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Apparently Bush could win Ohio and still not get 270.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Oregon goes kerry

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

yay!

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Also assassination would just scare the Republicans who are scared, even more, which would be a bad thing.

I said I wasn't going to stay up and do this.

I don't think it's going to be decided tonight really. Hmmm, unless Ohio decisively goes to one or the other.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:39 (twenty-one years ago)

well, at least bush can't win again a third time... *cough cough puke sob*

-- twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass (twikih...) (webmail), November 3rd, 2004 12:38 AM. (later) (link)
http://www.research.att.com/projects/wordseye/textures/people/politics/jeb_bush.jpg

― (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

well, at least bush can't win again a third time... *cough cough puke sob*

-- twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass (twikih...) (webmail), November 3rd, 2004 12:38 AM. (later) (link)
http://www.research.att.com/projects/wordseye/textures/people/politics/jeb_bush.jpg

― fsdf (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM. More or less, Canada gets more liberal the further east you go. BC is a strange exception, it tends to switch between far right and far left. And not being slaves to the two party system has left us with more choices for most of our history.

And the politcal centre is not equivalent to the US political centre. The Progressive Conservative* party that governed during most of the 80's was perhaps more liberal that the present-day US DNP.

* not to be confused with the united Conservative party we have now

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:40 (twenty-one years ago)

fox call ohio for bush

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

OHIO I HATE YOU

how can they fuck up their elections like this? I mean, someone please explain to me why people were standing in line for hours. WHAT THE FUCK.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohio is going to be won in the courts. (I just saw them talking about this so I am expert.)

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Fuck this shit.

― From a Land of Idiots Without Brains (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)

can i just point out that us dems have been embarrassed tonight? fucking crazy-ass kooks like bunning and coburn get elected; daschle is going to lose (tho i hardly lament his disappearance -- wadda weasel) and fags everywhere are getting rounded up and put into "do not touch or feed" pens. congratulations, conservatives, soon you will get the selfish utopia you so badly want. how long before you realize that your dreams are your nightmares, and that your heaven is the only thing left to look forward to, that is if god decides to forgive your selfishness? or are consequences only the province of the "reality-based" world?

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think anyone (here) is seriously condoning assassination (think who would be pres. then!). But keep in mind that desparate, crazy people do desparate and crazy things. A lot of folx who didn't keep up with politics too much before are real het up about it now and will be very upset if they see their new passion and action coming to naught.

xpost, uh that's goddamned FOX. give me a break. let someone else call it.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

i like the name of the heavily bush county in minnesota.. koochiching

i'll say it again: koochiching

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

fags everywhere are getting rounded up and put into "do not touch or feed" pens.

Upthread, someone wondered what it would take. Sadly, even this wouldn't change some people's minds.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It was the evangelicals wot won it? Sodding 'anti-same sex marriage' 'amendments' added as the carrot in many states.

It seems that the Republican people did enough to appeal to a lot of stupid, and some would say, bigoted, people. And indeed, we must all remember, in many ways, the landscape has shifted towards them in the last four years... Bush's incompetence and major errors which people recognise have shifted the contest to one that's very close, but sadly, it seems, his people knew how to eke it out in the states Bush won last time.

Will be interesting to see the final popular vote; I suspect a point either way. It ought to be nothing for Republicans and Bush to be triumphialist about; in Britain, such a vote would be in effect a hung parliament or tiny parliamentary majority.

But as we saw in 2000 onwards, Bush is not one to compromise with the vocal opposition in his country. And that is the appalling shame of this result; he and those around him will see it as an utter vindication.

― Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Ohio's Secretary of State is on ABC right now, saying that the long lines are a sign of a "robust system working."

― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe if fuckin Eminem and Dr. Dre were running we'd get more than 17% 18-25 turnout.

― Vote Mathers/Young '08 (AaronHz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)

And all it would've taken is 2% of the US population showing up and voting Democratic... Fucking 1 in 50.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:48 (twenty-one years ago)

2000: The year Gore blew it
2004: The year the voters blew it

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

How could Bush not win if he gets Ohio now?

The more I think about it, waiting 10 hours to vote is completely insane! WTF is going on over there? This is crazier than Florida.

― Richard K (Richard K), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

you tried, eminem, but your fans didn't

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet the youth vote is less democrat than usual this year.

The key forgotten factor in lotsa the election run up -- right wingers have a base that doesn't always vote and they can turn out too.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahha... the people waiting for 10 hours are at Kenyon College. Typical fuXors.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:51 (twenty-one years ago)

They were easily more liberal, MIR. (In all honesty, they were quite possibly as liberal as the present-day Liberals.) Just that there's almost a national consensus on socialized medicine and gun control would seal it, I'd think. I'd imagine that even the present-day Conservatives wouldn't be much further right than the more conservative elements of the Democrat party. I imagine the Canadian NDP is at least as far left as Nader, if not further - which is sort of why I have trouble getting very excited about Kerry and sympathizing with the "Nader's stealing his votes" crowd. Mind you, I'm so far from being any sort of authority on politics; I'm quite eager and willing to be shown wrong about any of these points.

13 or so xposts

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

It ought to be nothing for Republicans and Bush to be triumphialist about; in Britain, such a vote would be in effect a hung parliament or tiny parliamentary majority.
-- Tom May (joycean_cha...), November 3rd, 2004 11:46 PM.

Stop talking about British politics as though we (America) aren't going to pwn you in the space of a few years.

Sorry, that was dumb gallows humour. ;)

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost on electoral college It's our system. Until it's changed there's no reason for them to act ashamed of winning that way.

A commentator just pointed out how Hispanic votes in TX went to Bush for the first time. Republicans did hit hard on those who didn't vote like evanglical xtians who didn't have voting records. With Hispanics they appealed heavily to moral issues in a strongly Catholic population. Usually the Hispanic vote rates education, healthcare, jobs etc highest, pitching them w/Dems.

The eminemn thing was too little to late. no impact whatsoever.

You guys need to stop being so violently pissed off and pessimestic. A lot of good has come out of this. Give some fucking credit to people who got non-conservatives out to polls for the first time. Let's keep an attitude that will bring those folx back again.

Votes DID NOT fuck this up. (and it's not fucked yet)

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

so right, if Kerry wins Ohio (and yes, it's a very big if right now) and keeps Michigan (eep), he wins the election (unless he loses 3 of IA, WI, NM and NV)

and everyone understands that many more young voters voted this year, right? total turnout rose, and young voters were expected to make up a smaller percentage

I bet the youth vote is less democrat than usual this year.

wrong. 2-1 Kerry. in 2000, it was almost tied.

and the night is young for Daschle - we're moving Thune-ward as we move West, but Pine Ridge comes in at the end

and thank you, Dee

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

All polls officially close in less than a minute.

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet the youth vote is less democrat than usual this year.

And will only get worse from here on out.

There are only two issues that the Republicans need to cope with in order to even the fields (and then some) with the youth vote: stop hating gays and respect the environment. Tonight's results (at least on the first account) suggest that there's still some hope for that bloc.... if they ever learn how to vote.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so happy to see we'll have four more years of the hair-trigger Texan.

Like California and Schwarzenegger, America deserves whatever it gets.

― Turd Sandwich, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:55 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHA, "None Of These" has 2K votes in Nevada!

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry Springer on the BBC - lisping that he thinks Ohio is going Dem.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

even beer tastes bad right now

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, it's not even close anymore. Let's all go to sleep.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:57 (twenty-one years ago)

NBC calls Ohio for Bush.

If Kerry takes all outstanding states, it's 269-269. Then the revolution starts. How many electors will be faithless?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

(Richard Perle is serving as a panel commentator on BBC World.)

― Guymauve (Guymauve), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush's not a real Texan.

I think youths were largely motivated by the war this time. Heard a piece on NPR where they were talking to two women working in a shop. The 60 yr old was voting for Bush, the 19 yr-old was voting for Kerry. The latter said she's already lost three friends in Iraq. That would sure as hell making me fucking vote. As would being scared of myself or younger siblings being drafted.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Because Le Chuck insists on sabotaging my threads due to penis envy: My offer to leave ILX for one full year if anyone can prove NEW Canadian citizenship before June 1st, 2005, stands.

That's plenty of time to get your shit together. Any takers?

― Roger Fidelity (Roger Fidelity), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

all kinds of fucking screaming heard on campus. sounds angry

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 05:59 (twenty-one years ago)

i am so sad right now

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

ap headlines:

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GOP Boosts Senate Majority to 52 Seats (AP)
•
Republicans Extend Decade of House Control (AP)
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Scattered Problems Impede Some Voting (AP)
•
Car Bombs Kill at Least 12 Iraqis (AP)

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

sad to say, if it really comes down to iowa making the difference, nader will have made the blow if bush edges out as the winner there... it's dead 50%/50% bush/kerry there and the nader votes would have easily mostly tipped to kerry had nader not run...(but it's too soon to claim that scenario.)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:08 (twenty-one years ago)

the supposed equation of 527 + vote or die + blogosphere + 18-29s + ex-naderites = e-z kerry victory has obviously been handily refuted. the supposed ceding of the democractic leadership from the mcauliffes of the world to the soroses will not be happening anytime soon, no matter where the purse strings lie. moveon can funnel all of the money they want to gotv efforts, but unless people ACTUALLY SHOW UP AT THE POLLS who the hell cares how many times they hit swing-state voters with prerecorded ben affleck phone calls? the democractic leadership will certainly be gutted based on 11/2, but whoever takes over in their wake -- leon panetta? -- will never ever ever ever ever count on that equation i mentioned above again. 2004 -> the year of the giant cocktease.

strangely i don't blame kerry for this. he is who he is -- a good man but the wrong candidate. i don't know who would have been preferable -- when i'm sober i'll consider it more fully -- but this, to me, seems a problem of organization (where we still are significantly behind the gop and its tentacles) and message. we need to retake the national discourse, to put forward the MANY MANY MANY places where we are right and they are wrong. we can do this. take a week to mourn our sorry fate this november day, but let's regroup and refocus, finding a way not to appeal to those southerners and working-class families that we lost, but finding a way to TAKE THEM WITH US. this is the key.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I think it is more important that Republicans have retained control of the senate.

Also note that provisonal ballots in Ohio haven't been counted and there could be problems there. Suggestions already of disproportionate amount of them cast by inner-city voters.

I must go to bed and leave this mystery be. My students will vote for the first time in the next presidential election and so I've still got lots of indoctiring to do.

If you just want to throw out your toys and give up then you're as much of a part of the problem as all the asshats upsetting us.

NH goes to Kerry. Went to Bush last time.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:11 (twenty-one years ago)

My offer to leave ILX for one full year if anyone can prove NEW Canadian citizenship before June 1st, 2005, stands.
We may have a half-decent immigration policy, but we don't dole out citizenships after only eight months.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Ahahaha, CNN is hiding the fact that it has no news by changing the picture every 10 minutes.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My students will vote for the first time in the next presidential election and so I've still got lots of indoctiring to do.

Suddenly, I'm very worried for your job. :(

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

It's just that the majority of the laziness community is liberal. The ideals are similar.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:13 (twenty-one years ago)

c-span is still not calling OH...

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:14 (twenty-one years ago)

NBC may have called Ohio for Bush, but I think they'll be sucking their knuckles over it and sweating bullets later on this morning. It's going to be close. (Perhaps Diebold pulled off his boast after all - to deliver Ohio's electoral votes to Bush - not the voters, mind you, but the electoral votes.)

― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Why is that Eric?

My students are 50/50 black and Hispanic (as basically all of Dallas proper is. Whites are minority here) and they're nearly 100% below the poverty line.

Their families are liberal in nature anyway but my kids are bright and sharp. They don't know who I voted for but they get the picture as I pass up no opportunity to help them understand why certain policies and actions of our government are fucked up and negatively affect them. They're pissed off too.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:16 (twenty-one years ago)

nader fucked iowa.

iowa bush lead seems to have thinned slightly, for what it's worth. and i seriously doubt it's worth shit now.

i haven't slept at all.

it's time to disconnect.

― m. (mitchlnw), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Yancey - you're missing the point. All the groups on our side did what they said they would. The problem is that the other side also did what it said it would. There really are that many fag-hating morons.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, considering your earlier comments about the 80s PCs and the present-day Democrats, MIR, have you ever noticed a disturbing resemblance between Kerry and Brian Mulroney? Have they ever been seen in the same room?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the supposed equation of 527 + vote or die + blogosphere + 18-29s + ex-naderites = e-z kerry victory has obviously been handily refuted.
I'm not sure why anyone believed that to start with. I've always thought that people predicting an easy victory (much less a landslide) were reacting emotionally to a rightful disdain for Bush.

The problem isn't 527s/Moveon/etc. in and of themselves - the problem with that movement is that it would take time. It takes time to get people politically active - you can't just turn the faucet on six months before the election. This all goes back to the DLC takeover of the party and its general avoidance of the base and grassroots activism. Maybe it takes years to shift the voting/apathy patterns, but now is not the time to put a halt to the one thing that could be seen as a positive in all this.

Imagine this election without that GOTV effort - it would have been a crushing defeat for the Democrats, a clear-cut mandate for Bush's policies.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the groups worked insanely hard, you are correct, gabbneb. i don't want to diminish their efforts. but we failed tonight, plain and simple. and milo OTM as well.

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:22 (twenty-one years ago)

That's good (and a relief). I didn't mean the comment in a threatening way, just a frustrated way. I know of teachers who try to teach civics class in as neutral and dispassionate a manner as possible and still find themselves subject to complaints from asshole conservative parents upset that they're not being taught "correctly."

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:23 (twenty-one years ago)

on cnn: "republican congressional leaders say that with tonight's results, they will be much more aggressive in the pursuit of their political goals: more tax cuts, anwar drilling, conservative judges."

with that "news" -- what, the last two years weren't aggressive??? -- i'm off to bed

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:24 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/photos/5mulroney_brian030530.jpg

http://finewhyfine.typepad.com/fine_why_fine/kerry-thumb.jpg

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

mitch: i'd bet that 5k nader number in IA is pretty much a constant in any year. i'd also bet that more IA dems voted for bush than for nader.

i don't like the guy either but he's not the smoking gun.

― g--ff (gcannon), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:27 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, considering your earlier comments about the 80s PCs and the present-day Democrats, MIR, have you ever noticed a disturbing resemblance between Kerry and Brian Mulroney?

Now that's just crazy rambling, Sundar, ... uh, hold on ... the high forehead ... the prominent jaw ... the monotonous baritone voice ... it couldn't be ...

No wait, I saw a clip of Kerry trying to speak French and he sucked at it. Unless he was intentionally butchering the language in order to throw us off the scent ... I'm feeling dizzy ...

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:28 (twenty-one years ago)

someone just started blasting "I'm So Bored With The USA" in my complex's parking lot.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:31 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, I'm wasted, but oh the depths of cynicism I/we will sink to tomorrow.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:33 (twenty-one years ago)

The end of the enlightenment era republic of America.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Washington state goes to Kerry.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

1400 posts. If Bush wins, it's only one battle. Admittedly this loss will cost a lot of lives, but there are ways to fight back - resistance is fertile, as they say.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://history.htb.dtdns.net/images/canadianpms/mulroney.jpg

http://www.evote.com/evotepix/elections/presidential/2004/kerry_john_announcesforpres_121602.jpg

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It was the white women. The white women did it.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:36 (twenty-one years ago)

One battle, but surely after this we can't convince the rest of the world that the last election was a fluke and "most" American citizens are sane and reasonable.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

The gap in Iowa is bigger than nader sized now.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Jordan OTM.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I keep thinking, well in 2000, nobody really understood the stakes and so it's no surprise that Bush was elected; now, with the highest turnout since 1968, I'm completely dumbfounded.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Do any exit polls break it down by issue? I want to know how many Bush voters think Saddam was behind 9/11, how well did the scare tactics work?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

CNN calls Colorado senate for the dems.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:40 (twenty-one years ago)

It's difficult for liberals/progressives/populists to deal with, but most people are uneducated on the issues and vote irrationally. The 'beer test' and celebrity endorsements seem to work. (That goes for both sides, but liberal celebs weren't so great at it this year, they heavily-targeted the least-active demographic)

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush's margin in Ohio is still hovering at 100,000 with 92% of the precincts reporting, according to CSPAN.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:41 (twenty-one years ago)

(The question remains if provisional ballots can make up this margin at all. Right now, it seems unlikely.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:42 (twenty-one years ago)

It's difficult for liberals/progressives/populists to deal with, but most people are uneducated on the issues and vote irrationally.

I was told that a co-worker of mine voted for Bush. When asked why, she said, "Well, I voted Democrat in 2000, so I thought I'd mix it up this time around."

FUCK YOU WITH KNIVES

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I am completely baffled as to how this can be closer than 2000. Bush's approval ratings suck, the economy's weak, we haven't caught Osama, we're stuck in an unpopular war - all the numbers seem to indicate that people who disapprove of Bush's job performance and the war VOTED FOR HIM AGAIN. WTF?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

My mom only completed the equivalent of the 5th grade and voted for Bush because he seems nice and because my dad told her too. It all makes sense to me.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

pretty redundant at this point, but without ohio, kerry loses.
even if he wins, he has a repub senate and congress to deal with.
sigh.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't even see straight between my tears. I can't fucking believe this has happened again, but it makes me more willing to stay here and fight for the country I belive in.

― aimurchie, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Those two stories make me want to go hide from humanity forevermore.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:45 (twenty-one years ago)

i think the benefits of the emotions and passion of people voting today will be seen in the not-too-long-run.. it seems very crushing right now, but it will pay off.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

and bush seems to be trouncing the popular vote this time too, give or take.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And it's all too easy to come up with stories of "lame voters", when the 2000 election was, in retrospect, lame voting all 'round.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

If Bush wins, it's only one battle.

It might be the final battle. If he doesn't kill us all through unnecessary wars, he'll do it by fucking over the environment.

Get ready for World War III.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing is, like I said, I totally understand Bush's 2000 victory. I even understand Bush's base -- there are LOTS of people out there who are with him on abortion, gay marriage, etc. That's fine. There's no chance that they'll ever vote for Kerry, and that's cool. What I don't understand is how there can be SO MANY STUPID PEOPLE that seem to have no idea of the CONSEQUENCES of this election.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:47 (twenty-one years ago)

but bush's supporters came out coz they saw consequences too!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Nader is currently the difference in Nevada.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

don't blame nader maaan -- kerry's so bad he couldn't even win his home state!

oh... wait...

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:50 (twenty-one years ago)

but bush's supporters came out coz they saw consequences too!

Well, yeah, certainly -- but I guess I mean the people who cast random ballots, I just wonder if they paid attention at all to what was going on, if that would've convinced them to vote for Kerry.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not blaming Nader: just an FYI.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

51 million and counting voted for 4 more years of this malevolent shitbag administration. It is mystifying and dismaying.

― crap, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate to get drawn into a sky-is-falling mindset, because it's not necessarily true (we kinda recovered from 12 years of Reagan/Bush) or reasonable. But emotionally, something feels different here. Bush and his cronies are basically the worst aspects of Nixon and Reagan mixed together. This could be a turning point in American history - can we ever expect a united national culture again? What happens if we do invade another nation? What happens if the Bush tax cuts are set in stone?

What happens next? It's the absolute unpredictability that scares me. In 2000 you thought the outcome was predictable - he'd be like Papa Bush and a little Clinton, nothing too extreme. In '96, predictability seems ensured. '92, '88 on back. But I sincerely believe that these people are capable of anything.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

haha sorry jay i just was waiting to make that gag for some reason.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:52 (twenty-one years ago)

STUPIDEST CNN HEADLINE PIC EVER

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/02/election.main/t1.ohio2.jpg

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush won because of his eye lasers.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

95% of the precincts reporting: Bush up by 102,000.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

lame country, lame culture, lame values, lame obese dying hopeless uneducated unwilling people fuck the USA

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but the rest of the world is not to fucking happy right now

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/politics/articles/2002-12-01/images/ap_kerry_lg.jpg

http://www.ftlcomm.com/ensign/desantisArticles/2002_700/desantis774/BrianMulroney.jpg

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:04 (twenty-one years ago)

well cnn was decisive and turned ohio purple

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

What happens if we do invade another nation?

What, like the last few times?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:05 (twenty-one years ago)

fritz we must begin the building the of THE WALL

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

We've run out of places that can be easily beat up. Iran or North Korea (even Syria) would be much different in the invasion aspect. We had a decade of sanctions to soften the Republican Guard up.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:06 (twenty-one years ago)

canandians, release the beavers to damn the rivers of the US

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Exit polls showed women preferred Kerry 52 to 47%, while men preferred Bush 54 to 45%.

FUCK MEN.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:08 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Larry King is tired, apparently. He's asking Wolf if they can change Ohio to "leaning Bush."

― Baked Bean Teeth (Baked Bean Teeth), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:09 (twenty-one years ago)

New England and the West Coast is in desperate need of it's own government. THE U.S. IS TOO BIG AND TOO STUPID AS ONE.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, will Bush be silly enough to attack a nation that actually has WMDs?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Larry King has been amusing this evening. He seems to be taking on the "regular guy" role among the CNN commentators, asking lots of questions about what certain things mean.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Women usually break at least 10% for the Democrat, jay. Blame the 5% of 'security moms' or whatever they're called who went to Bush.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't forget us Great Lakes states, Carey! Regardless of what happens in Ohio, Illinois is a definite Kerry victory, Minnesota is very likely, and Michigan and Wisconsin are both super-close but leaning Kerry.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Fucking assfuck motherfuckers.

What

the
fuck

What does a fucking republican have to do to get kicked out of office? I mean fucking seriously.

WHAT THE FUCK.

How useless was "Get out the vote"?

Record number of voters

Kerry's ass was handed to him.

No question.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

well, again, surely some of you abhored Reagan and Bush I, and that was 12 years! And we all somehow survived.

I mean Reagan cracked a joke in '84 where the punchline was "we begin bombing [of the U.S.S.R.] in five minutes"! In retrospect, that's pretty fucking heinous. But he's now dead, and the world is still turning, and while things are fucked up, we still, um, keep doing our thing... us lucky "Westerners" that is. sigh groan.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Yep, the Us is all safe and sound. Yep.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Of course, now that we've learnt how much devastation can be had by nicking a couple of aeroplanes, things are just a little bit different now.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

All the single issue voters need to be put in a boat to utopia too. Oh well, now I have an excuse not to go home to Virginia for the holidays.

― Carey (Carey), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Reagan got reined in during his second term. Rather than continuing to escalate tensions with the USSR, he worked (in a manner of speaking) to defuse them. He signed bills raising taxes, and generally wasn't half the right-wing nutter he was first-term.

I don't think we can expect that this time.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:15 (twenty-one years ago)

No way. Bush is a fucking psycho.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

A self-absorbed fucking psycho, at that.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

in OH 200,000 votes to count plus 100-150,000 provisional and absentee ballots which will take 10 days to count

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Has anyone called New Mexico for Bush yet?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

so 350,000 votes left to count.. what was the Bush margin in Ohio last checked?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

what was the house / senate control during Regan / Bush I years?

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the Democrats had the House for all eight years (until '94 actually) and the Senate either up to 1986 or after 1986, I can't remember

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

ohio only matters is Nevada goes kerry (asuming NM and IA are republican)

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

twiki's: The margin in Ohio right now is approx. 136,000 (eek).

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed is right, unfortunately. I'm assuming NM goes Bush. IA still looks very close, though (50/49 with 96% reporting, a difference of only 10,000).

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

..that's around.. roughly half of 300,000-350,000

So, if Kerry loses Nevada, Iowa, and New Mexico... Ohio doesn't matter?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yes

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Doesn't matter anyway. I fear anyone who's still holding out hope is clutching at straws.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

actually, I left out hawaii hang on

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

and it looks like Hawaii is going for Kerry quite easily (if it's any comfort to know)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:24 (twenty-one years ago)

hawaii would do it.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

duh!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

jesus christ.. when HAWAII could theoretically make a difference, that's just obscene. (Sorry, past, present and future Hawaiians reading this.)

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Edwards not giving up yet.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe Nowell is not actually 15 and is voting now!

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:26 (twenty-one years ago)

if kerry loses nevada, iowa and new mexico, that is 17 electoral votes. ohio is 20 electoral votes.

it does not matter if kerry loses those three if kerry wins ohio.

its as simple as that

also, it looks like hawaii is going democrat... but there is a lot of counting still to be done

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

michigan finally called I promised myself I'd go to bed when it was called.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:27 (twenty-one years ago)

oops, yeah I forgot about Hawaii, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:28 (twenty-one years ago)

hawaii called democrat by msnbc

― todd swiss (eliti), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

minnesota blue

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry needs:

Ohio (20)
Michigan (17)
Wisconsin (10)
Hawaii (4)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'm basing this on the CSPAN map, which has Bush at 249 and Kerry at 221 right now, with the following states up in the air: Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, and Iowa)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Kerry behind 125,000 in Ohio wih 97% reporting.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:31 (twenty-one years ago)

minnesota just closed

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm assuming Wisconsin and michigan for Kerry

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Hawaii and Michigan goes Kerry according to CNN.com

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Well last time Gore won but Bush got presidency, so this time Kerry should be given presidency to balance it out.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm done mourning (and I'll be glad in the highly unlikely event I'm proven wrong), and I'm ready for the pissed off and disgusted phase. If people want a medieval world with crusades and shit, let em have it. I'll just keep fighting for, as a poster way upthread put it, the "enlightenment republic".

Anyhow, obviously I can't sleep and my thoughts are incoherent. Glad ILX is here to vent with.

― Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

MSNBC reckons 269 to Bush.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:33 (twenty-one years ago)

you'd have to wish terminal cancer on the Supreme Court right wing nutjobs to get that to ha... oh wait.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:34 (twenty-one years ago)

back on betfair, kerry has shortened from 40/1 to 9/1 on heavy trading, bush drifting out but not by much

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:35 (twenty-one years ago)

wait a minute.. isn't minnesota a party switch? how come cnn.com didn't give them the neat little light blue color but gave it to new hampshire?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Minnesota was Democratic last time. And for a long time before that too.

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:38 (twenty-one years ago)

aie.. for some reason i thought gore was from minnesota.. maybe i should sleep.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

a nairn plz go away you're driving up the number of posts on this thread and i predicted 1693 and there's still nine hours to go.

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank you Johnny Edwards. Fight it to the last fucking vote!!!!

― Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:45 (twenty-one years ago)

ok, off to bed.. all in all, *shakes mi head*

even clutching at straws for an outside chance of a Kerry victory in Ohio will still be breadcrumbs, since he'd have to contend with a Repub senate and house...

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:46 (twenty-one years ago)

when did I last post to this thread? who was it that guessed 2000?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:49 (twenty-one years ago)

once again, the Onion calls it right:

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4044

NEW YORK—Observers from around the world report that they were inspired and moved by America's most recent attempt to hold a public election in accordance with the standards of a democratic republic.

"After all of the recriminations, infighting, and general madness before the election, the people of this fractured nation still found the courage to show up at the polls," said Anas Salman, an Afghan U.N. official who was in New York during the American electoral experiment. "More than half of America's citizens—a large portion of them women—made a valiant attempt to choose their own leader, even though there was no guarantee their votes would be counted. It was truly inspirational...."

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:50 (twenty-one years ago)

even clutching at straws for an outside chance of a Kerry victory in Ohio will still be breadcrumbs, since he'd have to contend with a Repub senate and house...

I appreciate that people are trying to find something to be satisfied about, but I'm sorry, this doesn't cut it for me. It was most likely going to be a Republican Congress, anyway. And even if Kerry wasn't able to get as much done as he might've liked (see Clinton post-1994), a Kerry administration would've at least slowed the progress of some of the scarier Republican legislation, and perhaps even reversed some of the policies not as dependent on congressional support.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:54 (twenty-one years ago)

you want clutching at straws, wait until some people who start crowing about 2008. There'll be GOP fatigue, time for a change, etc.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:55 (twenty-one years ago)

you want clutching at straws, wait until some people start crowing about 2008. There'll be GOP fatigue, time for a change, etc.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)

well, let's just say one scary thing Bush tried to push.. the federal gay marraige ban... completely bombed on its first try... almost half of the republicans voted against it.

Not all republicans are Bush's fellaters. Many of them are, but some of them aren't.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

C'MON GUYS, IT'S NOT OVER, PLEASE!!! 249 / 242

Don't just throw in the towel when for so many weeks we had been projecting that this could last longer than Nov 2nd...and now it officially has. Kerry isn't conceding until everything is counted.

(I been avoidin' this thread since yea, you guys needed a PART DEUX a long time ago...this shit takes so long to load!)

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 07:59 (twenty-one years ago)

so, to me, the inevitable gridlock between kerry and the house+senate that would happen is going to happen, albeit to a lesser degree, with bush too.. more likely with his more insane ideas... at least, I hope.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Well give what a cunt Bush has been, you'd think non-Bush Republicans would at the very least abstain voting.

xxpost

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:00 (twenty-one years ago)

if i die because bush invades iran and some stupid fucker decides to blow up chicago, i'm going to be really pissed.

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

well they all have to pay him some lip service xpost

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Nader Supporters Blame Electoral Defeat On Bush, Kerry

WASHINGTON, DC—Supporters of presidential candidate Ralph Nader blamed his defeat Tuesday on George W. Bush and John Kerry, claiming that the two candidates "ate up" his share of the electoral votes. "This election was stolen out from under Mr. Nader by Bush and Kerry, who diverted his votes to the right and the left," Nader campaign manager Theresa Amato said. "It's an outrage. If Nader were the only candidate, he would be president right now." In his concession speech, Nader characterized Bush and Kerry as spoilers.

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that from the Onion too?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

CSPAN calls Nevada for Bush.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Bush down by 139,000 in Ohio. 98% reporting.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:08 (twenty-one years ago)

DOWN by 139,000? You serious?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

WHOOPS, sorry!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I meant up. Sorry. I am tired.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

wait whatFUCK Y%:UTJRDTFHGB

― LE CHUCK!™ (ex machina), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

ARGH>

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus.

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, the counties with less than 100% precincts reporting have Bush in the lead. Dunno whether this is signif.

― OleM (OleM), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm going to try to get laid this weekend

― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Jerry Bruckheimer's Ohio...

2005.

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:11 (twenty-one years ago)

can't christian slater and winona ryder just off a lot of these younger bush voters and make the nation think they committed suicide?

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:12 (twenty-one years ago)

http://img39.exs.cx/img39/70/fuckthis.jpg

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

awesome.

― papa november (papa november), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Ok bitches, mind if I start PART II ? This insanity is taking too long to load, and besides this thread has been outdated for a while

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

go fer it

― twiki's ho and dr. theo slapping ass, Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:18 (twenty-one years ago)

What, you mean this part II?

― Core of Sphagnum (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Ne'rmind, schmuel already did the deed

xxx-post

― Vic (Vic), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:19 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/images/409/image_article2644_418x430.jpg

― Sir Kingfish Beavis D'Azzmonch (Kingfish), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 08:41 (twenty-one years ago)

this thread is incredible, but then so is what's happened. the outcome frustrates and depresses no end, but at least pretty much everyone from Swygart to Williams to Dee to Ed to Ned to Carey has made me smile (and sometimes laugh), so thanks for that.

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 10:36 (twenty-one years ago)

It's Nov. 3rd now, and we have no president: the second official election day thread

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

As much as I mostly hate Philadelphia these days, the fact that it turned out overwhelmingly against Bush makes me feel a little better about it.

― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 3 November 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Clinton was FAR less coy about gay rights and health care reform in his campaign than Kerry has been in his

in its post-election wrapup book, Newsweek reports that Clinton urged Kerry to endorse local gay marriage bans. Kerry refused.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 5 November 2004 02:06 (twenty-one years ago)

But surely a late-in-the-day move from Kerry to do so would have been seen as very cynical... if even Clinton advised him post-July say on this.

It's rather to Kerry's overall credit that he did refuse this, I must say; perhaps not shrewd politics, but rather honourable/truthful really. And was he quite to know how much of a factor "moral issues" were set to play at t' end of the day?

― Tom May (Tom May), Friday, 5 November 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

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