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― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Cont. from:

Chicago XIV

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

thanks kenan. i also didn't know how to glean that image from jordan. i made one instead.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

i made this one
http://static.flickr.com/29/43592702_cfe2ea8b44.jpg

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

"If you leave me now, you'll take away the biggest part of me..."

Ah, Chicago. You're so lite.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

So what are these threads all about, then?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Mainly we talk about what a tool that Huk guy is.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Rock superstars Chicago, of course!

― dan m (OutDatWay), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Haha, that's awesome, Kelsey.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

We also discuss whether huk is "handsome," "handsomish" or "not so handsome."

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

I want to move to Chicago. Is that a good idea?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Everybody wants to move to Chicago, because it's a very good idea.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

i'd like to move out, so you can take my spot.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

if i were to judge chicago based on chicago threads, i'd say moving to chicago is a very good idea. but i've never been to chicago, so i can't be sure.

― carly (carly), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

http://sitemaker.umich.edu/pdcalpha/files/GreenRiverLadies.jpg

Dave Matthews dumped doody in the river, look.

― andy --, Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, Halloween:

Every year in Madison, all the college students and a bunch of other people get dressed and spend the weekend closest to Halloween on State St. It's a giant street party and it can be a lot of fun.

However, a couple of years ago kids started getting stoopid and out of hand, then the police overreacted and there were "RIOTS"! And it's happened pretty much every year since then.

So, if you come up you either have the option of going home before the RIOTS start, finding a quiet(ish) bar off of State St., or looting a liquor store and getting tear-gassed, whatever your mood is at the time.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

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― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Shit, I meant:

http://www.chicagoist.com/images/2004_11_madisonhalloween.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Are there lots of opportunites in Chicago for a college drop-out stand-up comedian with 60 wpm?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

YES.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

If you and Maddie go as Zmobies you should get another team together to go as the crew from "Shaun of the Dead" And then you can fight.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

Why is that man being so mean to Spongebob? I mean, honestly.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

(Maybe it's because his costume is stupid and lazy.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

Maddie actually wants to get a bunch of zobmies together and have ZOMBIE LURCH. Possibly for charity.

Shaun of the Dead is a good idea too, though!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

MASS THRILLER DANCE ON STATE STREET

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

http://badgerherald.com/news/2004/11/01/halloween1_dm_400.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Jocelyn, my roommates did that like five years ago! It was actually before I moved in with them, so I wasn't there to learn the dance and get made up. I did hold the boom box, though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

that's awesome.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

I do not want to get tear gassed on Halloween or any other day, thanks all the same. I want to get drunk and hold my own private costume-judging contest in my head, while dressed as perhaps a member of Devo.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I want to learn the thriller dance.

Also, I want to see Shaun of the Dead again.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Everybody wants to move to Chicago, because it's a very good idea.

To tell the truth, I've been thinking about moving to Chitown lately. Today is my last day at this job, I have 6 months severance pay & benefits, my house will be ready to sell by the end of October, I crave (painfully) to live somewhere other than Lexington for once in my damned life, and it's within decent enough driving distance of Louisville that I wouldn't have to fuck up my relationship with my son to do so. But lord only knows what I'm REALLY going to end up doing. We'll see.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

MASS THRILLER DANCE ON STATE STREET

They have done this a few years in a row here. This 19-yr-old kid named Micah got the Michael Jackson part by auditioning SINGING AND DANCING THE ENTIRE VIDEO ROUTINE WITH A DEADLYLY FRIGHTENING PRECISION.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Also on the maybe moving to Chitown: there are people there I have known well enough and long enough that they would A) put me up until I found my own place, and B) start a band with me.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Nickalicious and I could be roommmates!!!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Your arguments to yourself are compelling.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

nick! someone in my office did exactly that!!! she regularly treks back to louisville (& owensboro) to visit. i think she loves it here!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I believe for Halloween I might like to dress as this guy:

http://jon.happyjoyfun.net/pics_ms/snl/snl80.jpg

And play the spoons.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

so are me, nicklish and huk all moving to chicago? wowzers (well, i am - someday, probably not for a coupla years)

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

i swore to myself last halloween i WOULD be momus this year.. now im not so sure. i'm not skinny enough.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

I saw a guy dressed as Papa Lazaroux (from League of Gentlemen) and I think that wins my top costume prize ever.
I was going to be Adam Ant in Stand and Deliver last year, I think I might do it for real this year.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I'm still not sure Mandee! I might be getting an amazingly well-paying job here in Lexington that starts in January, if not, well, then teh SKY'S TEH LIMIT!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

I think Jeff should be Henry Spencer from Eraserhead for Halloween. I've been pushing this for years, but Jeff is kind of anti-dress up so alas. I, on the other hand, live for Halloween.

Guess what I just did, ya'll???? I just drove the car all by myself in Chicago! Jeff wasn't even at home so if I got lost or scared or crashed into a building, I couldn't even call him to come get me! And it was a complete success. I took the vacuum cleaner to the vacuum cleaner repair place, and ate free cheese at Whole Foods and then bought a toothbrush just like Kelsey's. I also bought some recycled plastic razors that are disposable but you're also supposed to be able to replace the blades. I almost got killed by a bimbo in a Lexus SUV then I ran a red light then I parallel parked right in front of our apartment building.

Anyway, YES everybody move to Chicago!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 15 September 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

I like how one Nick has come to sub for the other today.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

yay for jenny!!!

hope you like that toothbrush! did you get the yellow one too? if we have a sleepover, I'll put a sticker on mine so we don't mix them up.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

I wonder how Nick's brandy consumption is going.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I think it's this flippin' weather, but I am tired & cranky & I don't feel like doing anything except sleeping. I wanna get take out food & watch more episodes of the shield ... in my room. lights off.

i'm so tired i don't even feel like riding my bike home in this windy town.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Hmm... Well, I haven't heard from him in a while... I guess I'll find out when I get home! Any guesses as to what happened? Maybe he fell asleep on the couch.

Tonight I'm going to Barnes & N0ble to get learned.

xpost- I know. And I wore long sleeves Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Today, I decided to go for something practically sleeveless and not bring a jacket. Ta da! It's chilly and windy. Last night, I wore a corduroy skirt to practice from the back of my closet. I decided it was time to pull out the fall duds. Nick wore a long sleeve shirt too that he hasn't worn all summer. Ben was like, "Whaaa?! Did you guys go back to school shopping or something?"

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I think it's this flippin' weather, but I am tired & cranky & I don't feel like doing anything except sleeping.

But the weather is beautiful! Cool and overcast and mellow. I love weather that makes me feel like doing nothing but sleeping.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I wish Am. was around so he could give me advice on the best silent film involving a flapper. I was thinking of maybe checking out It with Clara Bow, but then saw it's #72 on the best silent movies of all time list. The General is #1 which:
a) I've seen
b) Is great
c) Doesn't have any flappers in it.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I do love this weather - fall weather is the best. But it helps to have my fall gear with me, like my tall socks.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

at your birthday was the most i've ever spoken to ben. he seemed very nice . . . or at least very tolerant of my drunken self.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm sporting the ol' denim jacket. Perfect.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Thank god the weather has improved. Now that it feels a bit more like Portland, I actually want to go out and do things. So I spent the day at the Art Institute scrutinizing paintings for my Pre-Raphaelite class. Thank god I quit my job and went to grad school. I highly recommend it.

― Markovitz, Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Apparently I have a lot to thank god for. Odd that I am an athiest.

― Markovitz, Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

eh, you know. Thank whoever. I like to thank The Academy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

I'll never forgive The Academy!

― Markovitz, Thursday, 15 September 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Markovitz, what are you going to grad school for?

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Art history seems like a good guess. But it's only a guess.

Is Markovitz different from Markelby?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

MFA Studio with a concentration in performance.

Yes, I think Markovitz and Markelby are different. The different spellings are an initial indicator of such.

― Markovitz, Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

Sorry. I don't keep up.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Hey! I can actually load this thread now!

What's going on Chicago?

Also: the weather gets a big thumbs-up from this guy.

― giboyeux (skowly), Thursday, 15 September 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)

Have you set your ILX setting to only display x number of posts? That's essential on these long threads.

The weather is so awesome I could cry. The only way this would be better is if were 10 degrees cooler and I could put on a sweater and smell fireplaces.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

I wish Am. was around so he could give me advice on the best silent film involving a flapper.

Sunrise!!! The woman from the city is hottymchothot

http://www.gonemovies.com/WWW/Drama/Drama/SunriseKus2.jpg

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 16 September 2005 01:24 (twenty years ago)

She looks like Manequinn McPlasticPlastic.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, I've seen blow-up dolls that were hotter.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

bad picture, but she is among the hottest humans ever. Especially when she's dancing.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 16 September 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

The Flappers!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

I have always been partial to Theda Bara and Louise Brooks, myself.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

dudes, i just came back from an open bar at a bar that just opened RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from my building. buuuuuh. i drank beer with my neighbor, who i hardly talk to and these two vietnamese guys. also a plumber who got mad when i told him i was married. whatever, dude. anyway, bar IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD.

booyah.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:13 (twenty years ago)

ps - i like clara bow and read her biography. and also used it to hold my window open.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

i also LOVE young joan crawford.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

did i mention open bar?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

as for young Joan Crawford, all you have to see is The Unknown. MAN, that movie is good.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

anyway, i'm going to bed. see y'all tomorrow.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:19 (twenty years ago)

The sunrise lady is either Janet Gaynor or Margaret Livingston.

I'll still take Louise any day:

http://silentladies.com/Brooks/images/Brooks175.jpg

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Joan:

http://silentladies.com/Crawford/Crawford143.jpg

Clara:

http://silentladies.com/Bow/Bow289.jpg

and Lillian just for kicks:

http://silentladies.com/GishL/Gish160.jpg

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

I wish Am. was around so he could give me advice on the best silent film involving a flapper.

pandora's box with louise brooks! unfortunately only available on out-of-print vhs, but still, amazing movie.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 16 September 2005 03:49 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, May I borrow the Clara Bow book? Pretty please? Was it any good? By the way, I brought the 1930s comp to work today. I'm anticipating a quiet day in the office.

I love it outside! I broke out a sweater, corduroy, and my tall boots today!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Also, I bought THIS SIDE OF PARADISE last night, but I need to finish the Colette biography first. I hate being such a slow reader!

Also, last night Nick and I joined a Bally's gym! Amanda, we put you down as our reference. I THINK you said you go to one?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

'Pandora's Box' is pretty great. Louise led an interesting life. What's the name of your 1930's comp Sarah? Or is it a custom mix?

I wish I had the panache to have a silent film-star hairdo.

― sgs (sgs), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

good morning.

yes, i am a bally's member

no, i haven't gone in a while.

yes, the weather is perfect, though a bit rainy

no, the book was not that good. there are probably a lot better books available -- i would check abebooks dot com for the best prices and selection. i searched "clara bow" (because i couldn't remember the name of the book) and a ton of early Hollywood/women in the age of prohibition stuff came up.

yes, i smell a little bit like beer today. i hope no one notices.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

I've been up since 5:30 & I'M VERY EXCITED TO SEE LEAF TODAY!!!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

what you might enjoy looking at, sarah, are my grandmother's college yearbooks, which i have in storage. i have a little collection of yearbooks (started by my grandma's) but hers are the best because they're from a women's college during the years of 1928-1932.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Hi guys. Here's what I did yesterday on my day off:
1. Drank some brandy.
2. Wore PJs.
3. Listened to records ("Witches and Devils" by Albert Ayler and "One Nation Under a Groove" by Funkadelic).
4. Took a hot bath.
5. Read some of my book about reggae.
6. Watched a stupid baseball game where the White Sox sucked it up and lost to the team with the worst record in baseball.
7. Took a very brief nap.
8. Washed a few dishes so I would feel productive.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

OK I just read the old thread and WTF is up with people being mean to Amanda about liking Sound of Music? Everyone likes Sound of Music! It's a classic! SoM HATAZ NEED TO QUIT DRINKING THE HATORADE!

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey, are you driving up after work?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm leaving at noon!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

S'ok, Amanda. I have plenty to read. If it were good, I would want to read it, but as it's not, I'll be fine.

Yay, kelsey! Love love love love love!

Sarah, the 1930s comp is one Amanda had and copied for me.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm jealous of your day off, Nick. Maddie went home at noon yesterday as well, she drank beer and wrote a wine column.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, peoples, cut it out with the hatorade! I have a suit of armor when it comes to people mean to me about loving that movie though.

Sarah - I was thinking about your signature dance and how it looks remarkably similar to the Lindy. You're already well on your way to being a flapper.

Kelsey -- on a scale of 1-10 how excited are you?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

i don't know why i'm so amused that she drank beer whilst writing about wine, but i am.

amanda: i think i'm about a: 134,958,743,095,713,467,134,068,068,068,739,750,193,457

or, you know, a ten.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

sarah, you have naturally great flapper hair. such soft curls!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Thanks!

Wait, what is my signature dance?

Amanda, we should go work out together sometime, just because we can.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

xpost - i second that. also, the glint of mischief in your eye.

you know the dance -- the one you did in 6th grade, the kid-n-play dance? it's a modified lindy for the hip hop era. the g-funk era?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

ps -- yes, we should go to the gym together...if i can ever get my lazy lazy butt there. did you sign up for the plan that allows you to go to any bally's or just the one near you?

i'm only allowed to go to the rogers park bally's.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

i'll work out with anybody, for the record. i'm happy for the company and/or weight spotting.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

I STILL haven't gone to the gym, as much as I've been whining about it. I get home and my girlfriend cuts me off with beer and gourmet meals (I know, poor me, etc.).

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

what a hardship it is to be you, jordan.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

don't you mean . . . FIANCE?!?!?!?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I still can't say it with a straight face, unless we're introducing ourselves to people. It makes me feel pretentious!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I would probably be the same way . . . and I assume it's a weird thing to get used to. A handful of my friends who were recently married kept introducing their husbands as boyfriends & then immediately correcting themselves, muttering, "i just can't get used to saying husband!"

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, plus "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" sound hipper than "husband" or "wife" or "fiance" or "fiancee".

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

i'm listening to missy elliott & i just keep singing "i think i'm in love like beyonce be with jigger" over & over (in my head).

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

how do you feel about "ladyfriend?"

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

One way to use words without pretension is to deliberately mispronounce them. I suggest you say "I would like you to meet my FY-ANTS." Or say FINANCE instead.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Haha.

"Ladyfriend" is pretty smarmy, it makes me think of seedy bar scenes in movies. "So, who's your ladyfriend?" Though I do have one co-worker who says it, and he's a nice guy (but also smarmy).

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

"I would like you to meet my LUH-VAHHH."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

I like "gentleman friend." That implies that he's gentlemanly and may wear a cravat. I don't mind being a wife though, so long as my introduction isn't accompanied by eye-rolling and other signs of disgust.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

I once heard my trumpet player introduce his girlfriend to a friend as, "This is Kelly. She fucks me!"

It was a close friend.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I think I'm going to go with "consort".

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

hi. i am in new york.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Really, I think you have to go with girlfriend/boyfriend unless you're married. Fiance sounds silly. Lover sounds... good, but a little European for general consumption.

"This is Kelly. She fucks me!"

hahaha Yes I'm sure she does. All that is implied.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Hi jaymc!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Birds do it. Bees do it. Even...

http://animals.timduru.org/dirlist/dog/bugPorn4-DogwoodCalligraphaBeetles-Mating.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Hey jaymc, how was your show? Are you famous yet?

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Where are you in New York? I want to know intersections.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, how was your show? My psychologist friend wants to know where you're going to be tonight.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

My psychic friend already knows.

Oh yeah! My charleston dance!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Where I'm going to be tonight? I don't know. I'm going to a Vietnamese restaurant (L'Annam) with Stylus folks -- not sure after that.

Show went fine. It's all kind of a blur to me.

I'm in Chinatown-ish.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

his show was fantastic! nabisco and i took some action shots of jaymc, to be posted on the internet by nabisco at some point.

― carly (carly), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

yaaay! are you famous yet?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Hey Jordan, did you ever get the CD I mailed you?

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

(Hey, John, Nick not only didn't skip the Sufjan song on one of the mixes you gave me, but also said lots of nice things about it afterwards! A-ha! Now, I've outted him!)

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, I can go to any Bally's in the Chicago area. I'll roam where I want to, roam around the Chicago-land area. I can not, however, roam around the world.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

No! But I didn't check mail yesterday, it probably arrived. I'll check over lunch, I could use some dub in the afternoon.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

yay! you can roam up to rogers park and we can go to the gym, then to the fruit market, then maybe to the beach to eat our fruit. i'm not sure precisely when this will happen, but you're probably on a contract, so i would imagine we have time. i'm certainly not going anywhere.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I am famous now. You're lucky I'm still commiserating with you.

(Hey, John, Nick not only didn't skip the Sufjan song on one of the mixes you gave me, but also said lots of nice things about it afterwards! A-ha! Now, I've outted him!)

Haha! I put on "Casimir Pulaski Day," right?

Someone is unloading a stack of 2x4s outside the door. Hmm.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

How I feel about that Sufjan song: His lyrics are great. The melody is good. The arrangement (music and voice) annoys the hell out of me.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

There are a lot of interesting, free shows going on tonight in Madison. There is a group called "Balkan Beat Box" at the Union tonight, and Richard Davis is playing his annual benefit concert at the university. I'll won't get around to any of them, though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Nick also referred to the Sufjan song - yes, that's the one, John - as precious. He didn't mean it as a compliment, but I thought that was a good word for what I liked about it!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

xpost - i feel that way about his voice too. i wish he would stop whispering and being so faint. sing it! louder!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

I like his voice quite a bit. I like voices like that. Maybe it's hard to take for a whole album, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

i used to have a workout video that combined weight training with various aerobic stuff, and one of the things that was done was the charleston dance, to keep things interesting. it was fun.

xp i need to get some sufjan stevens. a friend has promised to burn me some.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Julia, I am sorry to ask you this, but did you ever listen to the FREAKY SPACE mix CD I made you? Did it freak you out?

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

It's OK, jaymc, you can tell us that you're hanging out with Chloe Sevigny tonight and we won't ask to tag along.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

hey EZ - did you get my emails?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

I did, I did, and I'm gonna write back! Been away from the computer (good thing).

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, I just felt bad for not knowing that you had written and then I blabbed and blabbed.

It's always good to be away from the computer.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

nick--of course i did, i listened to it a bunch. i kept getting songs from it in my head, as i am EASILY INFLUENCED by such things. i thought i emailed you about it, but that probably never made it from my head to actual text, knowing me.

it's a funcrazy mix, i like it. thanks! and it didn't freak me out, it takes more than that to freak me out....

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 16 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

i liek the song about Gacy.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Nuts. Carly sent me a great camera-phone photo from last night but I can't seem to upload it on this computer. Oh well. I will take that as a cue to take my leave and go out and explore the world instead.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

bye! talk to strangers!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Good plan, John.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Hi and bye John!

Hey I don't have bronchitis, just a bad cold, and thus I will stop whining about my health. And I'm going to go to the gym tomorrow, even if I have to get an extra towel to blow my nose in while I work out.

Ew. I just really grossed myself out.

I never called Jeff my finance with any seriousness, but "husband" was pretty easy to get used to after a week or so.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

i'm kinda excited about the prospect of being married, although i really want little to do with the actual planning of a wedding.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

wedding planning doesn't have to be a big affair. being married is pretty fun.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey - have fun today! I'm really excited for you!

(I got the red toothbrush, although it occured to me when you asked that I didn't even think about the color when I picked it out. I think that means I'm getting old.)

Jeff and I felt exactly the same way re: being married/planning a wedding. Hence, well, you were there. I thought it worked out nicely.

xpost: Amanda = correct!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

t-minus 40 minutes till i'm on the road!! yay!!

the red one is good. i had trouble deciding between that one & the yellow one.

jenny, i really appreciated your wedding. it was intimate, great food & great booze. it was an honor to be there!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that was a great wedding!

I never called Jeff my finance with any seriousness
You didn't call him your finance? ha ha That's too bad.

Have fun, kelsey! I get to have lunch in 40 minutes. That's not at all as exciting as traveling to another state to see my luvah, but still fun for me.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

You should stop in Osseo for PIE at the Norski Nook, Kelsey.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey -- drive safely and HAVE FUN! Footrubs and cookies and tons of Galactic Pizza (both literally and euphemistically)for everyone!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

is it really really wrong that you mentioned galactic pizza euphemistically and i thought of ally's popearoni story?

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

what story is that? popearoni? popcorn stuck in someone's ear, lodged in there with a firm stick of pepperoni? do tell.

ps guys - i'm going to Gulliver's tonight! i can't wait. i'll take some photos to post here so you know how cool it is.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Haha did I ever post the Pope-a-roni story? I read this in Savage Love this one time, right, this girl found this huge light up Pope statue and brought it to her house. Then for some reason this inspired her boyfriend to create a gigantic, like 6 foot by 6 foot pizza. He asked her to have sex with him on the pizza while the light up Pope "blessed" it and he was yelling "Pope-a-roni! Pope-a-roni!" over and over. I mean, wtf? Now that is weird shit.

-- Ally (mlescau...), August 13th, 2003.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

hahahahahaha

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

It was an honor to have you! Seriously! I got a little choked up that so many people came.

Ha ha finance! That was a Freudian slip...

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Sex on top of a pizza? That's such a waste of pizza.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Ha, that's what I thought too. I like the George Constanza-esque decadent symbolism though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

We are probably going to get a frozen pizza tonight. I don't think we're going to have sex on it though.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

What kind?

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Why not?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

because that's better with delivery.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Sarah likes el-cheapo generic frozen pizza, the kind with the really thin crust, like original Tombstone pizza. I kind of prefer the Digiornio kind that puff up when you cook them. So we will have to fight to see what kind of pizza we get.

The plan tonight: Go to the gym, work out, go check out some movies (probably each pick out one movie because I am tired of compromising), get a frozen pizza, be lazy.

Tomorrow I think we're going to go to the Hideout Block Party if anyone wants to hang out. Lots of good bands are playing.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

That sounds like an awesome night. I hope to do something similar, except we have marlin that we have to cook tonight.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

So we will have to fight to see what kind of pizza we get.
A sexy fight?

Sometimes, just sometimes, I like to put black olives on said thin crust frozen pizza, but I don't think we have any right now. Also, I mostly just like eating them out of the can.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

i like the cheapo pizza too! i want to cook a lot this weekend (scones, calzones, things that end with -one), rest, watch the movies i got from the library and work on my homework. i'm a little bit socialized out -- i realized that i went out 4 times in the last 6 days and that's a LITTLE TOO MUCH for me.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

ps -- i had fun during all of my socializing, i'm just a little tired, i think. this week has seemed really long. i miss my dogs and dan.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Your Double D's of Love.

Kelsey leaves in 15 minutes! BOO YA! (I mean, good for her, not glad she'll be away from the thread)

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of Double D's, yesterday I tried wearing a different bra to work from the back of my drawer. Then I went in the bathroom and was like OMG! My CHEST IS HUGE! Apparently, there is more "help" in that bra than my usual one. So then I was really embarassed about what my coworkers might think seeing me with my sudden Marilyn Monroe look.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

I also like thin crust frozen pizza, esp. Tombstone, although I'm an equal opportunity pizza consumer.

In fact, I've got a thin crust from a deli + sauce, mozzarella, and salami ready to go for some meal this weekend.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

You guys and your DIY calzones and pizzas. It's crazy!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

By that I didn't mean MEN, but Jordan and Amanda.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

mmmmm...calzones

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

It IS crazy. Crazy awesome!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Frozen pizza is tasty. I've been a big fan of the California Pizza Kitchen ones of late. They're oh so good but oh so expensive.

My gf and I got one from HomeMade Pizza Co. They make you a pizza, you get to cook it. It's awesome! Fresh herbs, good crust, great gimmick... I could go on and on.

Is the thing at the Hideout all weekend long? Some of the dudes from my band were talking about going but I think they were going tonight.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, maybe we should try HomeMade Pizza Co tonight.

The Block Party is all weekend, but tonight is the "country" night and tomorrow is the "rock" night. It starts at 3 tomorrow.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I should say: the HomeMade ones aren't frozen, they're fresh. They cost about as much as a regular take-out pizza.

Yeah, that makes sense about country night vs rock night. These dudes are big Wilco/Son Volt/all those bands fans.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

i gotta tell you - once you make your own pizza/calzone dough once, it's easy to keep doing it. i make mine with 1/2 wheat flour for health. they also sell pre-made dough at trader joe's which i've never tried but i hear is pretty good.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I tried to make pizza from scratch once but it was a pain in the ass and my dough was not very good. I will take any dough recipes you want to recommmend.
Growing up it was a special thing for my parents to make pizza. My dad would make the dough/crust and my mom would make the sauce and then cook the pizza. BEST PIZZA EVER.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

True love.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

i havent had pizza in like, a year, at least. i feel deprived!

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

I thought pizza was gross for a little while there. Actually, that will happen for a month or so at a time and it really upsets Nick. It breaks his heart, he loves pizza so much.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

Dough recipe: Go to Trader Joes. Buy the fresh pizza dough in the cool case to the left on as you first walk in. I love the whole wheat one. It's chewy and delicious and a lot easier than making your own damn dough. But since I started school, I have been ALL ABOUT the sort of kitchen shortcut that I used to totally scoff at superiorly. Like buying frozen, pre-sliced bell peppers and mushrooms.

My dad used to make the Chef-Boyardee pizza that came in a yellow box. That was a Friday night thing. Home made pizza and the Dukes of motherfucking Hazzard. Yeah, dawg.

Tonight! I go see Sufjan Stevens. I'm going to throw my panties on stage to both show my affection and try to offend his religious sensibilities. (Yes, I show affection through offense. What?)

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

here's the recipe for the crust - i use 1 cup WHOLE WHEAT flour and one cup white. you can use all white but you can't use ALL wheat. add a little more flour, a little more water if you think the dough is sticky/dry.

1 tsp yeast
2 cups flour
1/4 tsp salt
1 tbs olive oil
2/3 cup lukewarm water

Mixing: In a large bowl, combine all ingredients and stir with a wooden spoon until mixed and the dough forms a crumbly ball. Knead for five to ten minutes, adding a little more flour if the dough is too sticky.

Kneading: I usually knead the dough right in bowl I'm mixing it in, tho some people prefer to knead it on a bread board, or the table. If the dough is still sticky after all the flour is mixed in, add a little more flour. Knead the dough for about five minutes, at which point it will be smooth and elastic.

Rising, part 1: Put a couple drops of oil in a large bowl (I'm often lazy and just reuse the mixing bowl), put the ball of dough in it and flatten it out. Turn the dough over so the now-oiled side is up, and cover with a piece of wax paper (or plastic wrap). Put the dough in a warm place away from drafts, for an hour. While the dough is rising, preheat the oven to 450 degrees (F)

Rising, part 2: After the dough has risen an hour, it will have doubled in size. Punch it down. Punch it hard, but don't hurt yourself. Let it rise a little longer (15-20 minutes), and you can go on preparing the toppings.

NOTE: I like to make smaller pizzas so i can do different toppings and cook them all at the same time. One Greek-style (feta, olives, roasted red pepper), One margherita (basil, tomatoes, mozzarella), one tons-of-stuff (pesto, artichokes, everything i can find)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

jenny, you and my dearest friend katie are SOUL SISTERS. i hope i can introduce you two someday.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

ps - i am WITH YOU on the kitchen shortcuts. have you tried the trader joe's paneer? peas paneer has never been so easy!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

That's a good dough recipe, Amanda. I worked in a pizza joint for 7+ years and we used veg oil and some dry milk to aid in making the crust crisp and brown. I miss making pizza sometimes. I haven't done it since I quit and moved to Chicago.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

We also had a biiiiig mixer (like 5 feet tall) and made 30-lb batches of dough... but it's still very similar.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I have worked in two pizza joints - one during high school and then again, much to my utter shame, after I graduated from college and moved back in with my parents to wallow in my own failure for nine months, and once during college at a Pizza Hut. I was a cook at the Pizza Hut and I remember the big, hand-severing mixer, but I don't remember how to make anything. Hence pre-made dough.

I have not tried trader joe's paneer, but I am sure as heck going to the next time we go shopping there!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

ALSO -- i dissolve the yeast in the warm water first, then add in the oil and then the dry ingredients.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

could i make pizza dough with oat flour? i dont eat wheat or white flour anymore

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

dan, your mixer was as tall as i am. i have two inches on the mixer, really.

i don't know about the oat flour...you sure could try it. do you have gluten allergies?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

a wee bit, yes - nothing serious, but enough to cause some discomfort

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

might as well give it a try -- the dough may lack elasticity though, and (i'm guessing) be more dense. but if that's ok, i'm interested in hearing how it turns out.

another plus to playing with dough: making dough-heads of people you know and love, baking them, taking photos of them and emailing them to the person.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

On a night when I was still trying to be healthy and yet craving pizza, I bought some gluten-free "pizza crusts". The only ingredients were rice flour and potato starch I think, it tasted like a wood plank.

This is OTM. Last we made dough from scratch we made one or two huge pizzas, but resolved that next time we'll make a bunch of little ones to have more toppings options (and so I won't make myself sick with too much pizza).

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Guys, I know everyone probably has their plans set tonight, but if not, Rebirth Brass Band is playing at Martyr's tonight. I saw them there about 3 1/2 years ago for the very first time and it was a blast.

http://www.sfgate.com/n/pictures/2005/09/15/shezbie3.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

This bike messenger just came into the office lobby to do a pick up. He's always really flirty with me, which is ok because he seems like a nice guy, but also he's old and tiny and weird looking. Anyway, he wouldn't stop chatting me up this time and as he backed away from the desk I realized "OMG! HE HAS A TENT!" I mean, we're talking a SERIOUS tent in his highwater camo pants. I couldn't avoid seeing it. NOW can I go home??

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Ew. Pervy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

I hope I'm never so desperate that just TALKING to a girl does it for me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

That was a good story.

Where is everyone? I am bored.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

i'm bored too. i just bought some stamps.

that story was great sarah. i like that he's 1) tiny 2) old and 3) horny.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

I might see him again this afternoon if he's the same guy for the next delivery. BOO YA!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Do any of you ladies or wannabe ladies have experience with Venus Swimwear or J Crew swim? I want to get a swimsuit to wear in Vegas on the office trip, so it would need to cover up enough. I wish I could just go try on swimsuits somewhere, but I don't know what stores would still have them now. Thoughts?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

now, granted it was 12 years ago, but the first bikini i bought was from j-crew and it smashed my boobies down and made me look FLAT. i bought another one on sale and it was SAGGY in the butt and made me look like i had pooped my diaper. they were both cute but not on me.

then again, maybe it wasn't the suit. maybe it was just me. who knows. either way, my experience with j-crew swimwear was not good.
target might have some decent ones, maybe on sale? also check TJ mAXX and marshall's.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Sarah:

http://www.cah.utexas.edu/hickman/people/thumbs/thumb_beautyqueen2.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, I also need a bathing suit. American Apparel has sparkly gold bikini tops with hipster bottoms, and I really wish that 1) I could wear a gold bikini 2) I had enough money to buy that sort of thing 3) I wasn't made to feel bad about shopping there.

― ginny (ginny), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

why would you feel bad about shopping there?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

My conscientious friend says their labor practices are bad. But whose aren't?

― ginny (ginny), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

i thought they were known for having good labor practices. except for the creep who's in charge.

― carly (carly), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

I thought the whole point of AA was that their labor practices are good? Isn't that why people shop there? xpost

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Seems like with AA you trade good labor practices with poor sexual harrasment practices.

I want one of these suits:

http://www.easleyscostumes.com/assets/images/auto_generated_images/a_o051.jpg

And then all the ladies in their bloomers will want to feel my muscles.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

That's what I thought as well.

Our band track jackets are AA and they're nice, but I wish I had gone for the large instead of the medium. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Talking does it for me. Random conversation. Gentle breezes, car insurance commercials. But I'm broken.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I think it has to do with union-busting. Also, I've seen send-ups of their porny ad style, with other people totally have done first anyway.

― ginny (ginny), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

which, rather

― ginny (ginny), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i thought they were supposed to have good practices. i'm confused. shopping for bathing suits is a total drag. i bought one 6 years ago and i wear it about once a year. i don't look forward to replacing it.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

car insurance commercials

Yeah, I love that commercial where the girl is getting banged from behind, and the dude's like, "Whoa, the condom just broke!" and she's like "I don't care, keep going!" and then the voiceover says, "It's just not smart not to have insurance. Geico." And then they pull back and the lizard dude is watching and touching his nipples. That one does it for me.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I'll get my coat.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

OMG Kenan, I just lost it over here.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, that description of the j crew bottoms in particular makes me scared. That is not the look I wanted.

ginny, I saw the ones at AA actually, but haven't tried any on. Maybe I should do that, seeing as how they still have them in store and they are in my neighborhood. I could get away with wearing a gold suit in Vegas, but that's it.

But yeah, failing that I'll try Target & the Maxxx. I need more excuses to make Nick come to Target with me.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

what, the #2 look isn't what you're going for? i might just not be equipped to properly fill it out, but i would not buy another suit from there without trying it on.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I would continue with that talk about the bottoms as I have LOADS of funny jokes I could make about it, but for Nick's sake, I won't. I think Friday afternoon has fried my brains.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I was seriously considering doing a standup routine for the last Squeezed, but Nick said if I did he would walk out, drive home, and make me find my own ride!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Nick, stop ruining our bikini jokes!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

But seriously, Chicago folks, is anyone up for some Halloween partying?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I am!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Just me?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm up for some Halloween RIOTING!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

You know what I haven't done in a while? Egged a car. Who do we really, really hate? Who has a car?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Last year's Halloween "party" involved watching a terrible movie at our house ("The Fog").

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft/images/bush_goofy/george_w_bush_making_a_turn_in_open_car.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

oh sweet jesus they're letting him drive

― gear (gear), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

That's not right. He's way more fit than that. The dude runs every day, went biking with Lance Armstrong. He doesn't have a spare tire. Unless that's an old photo.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

i was thinking the same thing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.workingnet.com/thunderbear/images/georgewbush-car.jpg

xpost, I actually thought the same thing, Kenan.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

if it's an old photo, his style has certainly improved

― gear (gear), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

hmm, so apparently I am inheriting a dead distant relative's 2004 chevrolet cavalier. I guess I'll make it my grocery store car.

― Markovitz, Friday, 16 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

so what exciting things are happening in chicago this weekend? Or was that already discussed at lunch time?

― Markovitz, Friday, 16 September 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

You could go see Rebirth Brass Band at Martyr's tonight. :>

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

A WHOLE brass band? that sounds awesome.

― Markovitz, Friday, 16 September 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

jordan is in a brass band. we-all went to see them when they played at the green mill. they were 1) great and 2) loud.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

i plan on cooking a lot this weekend. and reading up on emerging hispanic dialects. FUN!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Rebirth is better and louder!

http://liveneworleans.com/images/reviewPicHomeThumb/20040609-6NQLA81_rebirth_5.JPG

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

that's a tuba!

― Markovitz, Friday, 16 September 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Technically a sousaphone, but yeah!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

oh, I just read that the original sousaphones had upright bells called "raincatchers."

― Markovitz, Friday, 16 September 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

I didn't know that, but it's funny! We've certainly played some parades in the rain. Some old (mostly white) guys still carry normal tubas (instead of wrap-around sousaphones) in parades, that must be a btich.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

I can barely carry my book bag. Ugh, I should go to the gym while I am downtown but I can't stop yawning, even with my 5:00 coffee infusion.

― Markovitz, Friday, 16 September 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

Thought of going to Martyrs tonight, but I don't think I'll end up there.

See you tomorrow at the Block Party probably, Nick. I'm a big fan of Sam Roberts, who's playing in the afternoon. There's also word that a certain supergroup will play a surprise set; we'll see if that happens.

― Eazy (Eazy), Friday, 16 September 2005 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Nick, I got the cd last night and put it all on my iPod this morning, thanks dude.

We made pizza from scratch last night and rented Crash, it was a nice night.

― Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 17 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

On American Apparel and their labor practices:

AA is good in that it maintains domestic factories, pays workers a living wage, and avoids the sweatshop conditions that plague both domestic and foreign garment manufacturers.

AA is bad in that the CEO is a creepy, handsy misogynist, and in that it has been known to engage in unfair labor practices to prevent its workers from unionizing. As for the unfair labor practices, UNITE-HERE, the union trying to organizing AA, filed a complaint with the NLRB who did not find any violations (this is less indicative of AA's innocence than it is of the NLRB's current political stance, ie very Republican and MUCH more sympathetic to management than to labor). It's likely that AA did go to great, and very possibly illegal, lengths to prevent its workers from organizing, which sucks but is no different from nearly every other company in existence today. At least AA didn't have anyone stabbed to death.

So on balance AA is probably still better, from a progressive political standpoint, than most companies that make the clothes we wear. Unfortunately.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 17 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Cool.
Last night we watched Aguirre: Wrath of God and Curb Your Enthusiasm. I think we will end up wussing out on the Block Fest because we have been shopping all day and are tired. We went to the Harold Washington Library and got library cards and checked out books and CDs. Then we saw the comic strip exhibit at Columbia's gallery. Then we shopped for hours and hours.
If anyone is doing anything awesome tonight, give us a call.

― n/a (Nick A.), Saturday, 17 September 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

What did you think of Aguirre?

We just saw Sufjan Sweetums! (Our tickets were for tonight, not last night.) Unbelievable as it may seem, he is even MORE adorable in person than he is in photos. It was a good show, if short and very choreographed. They did cheers and made a human pyramid and closed with the song about Chicago. Whoop!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 18 September 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Hi jenny! Hi evrbuddy!

I finished watching the first season of "Lost" today. Man, this is some fuckin' show.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 18 September 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

I really like that black guys and white guys seem to have different tuba/sousaphone styles.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 18 September 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

I mean, that could be the awesomest thing I've heard in all of 2005!

― Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 18 September 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

Haha!

Uh, that does sound bad, but I've only seen the upright marching tuba thing a couple of times, and it's always been cheesy white or European brass bands! I suppose I shouldn't draw conclusions though, there could be lots of old black men carrying tubas around New Orleans and I just haven't been to the old people parades.

― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 18 September 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

You should develop a stand-up routine about how WHITE PEOPLE PLAY TUBA LIKE THIS...BUT BLACK PEOPLE PLAY TUBA LIKE THIS and go on Def Comedy Jam.

I liked Aguirre a lot. I'm sad we took it back before I finished watching it with the commentary. Last night we watched Sunshine (which was awesome) and the beginning of Dog Day Afternoon (to be completed later today). It's a catching up on classic movies weekend.

― n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 18 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

You can borrow my copy to watch the commentary, after John gives it back.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 18 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

good morning chicago. this weekend i was a cooking machine.

i'm so proud of nick and sarah for getting their library cards!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Good afternoon Chicago (hah, I can say that six hours before any of you)! It's good to be back!

We make A LOT of pizza in our shiny breadmaker, which is BRILLIANT for anyone who isn't an Amanda-style domestic goddess. And it's brilliant - we've got a perfect routine now, where Sarah does all the breadmaker stuff, hands me the dough, which I stretch, top and cook for 14 salva-inducing minutes before OMG BEST HOME PIZZA EVER.

(our toppings recently have beens elected from the following list: mozzarella, tomato sauce, mushrooms (both fresh and sott'olio), peppers, red jalapenos, salami, peperoni, ham, oregano, artichokes, ground beef, capers and pesto)

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

D'oh, we watched SunRISE, not Sunshine. The Murnau movie.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

Did you get it from the library? Their movie selection is pretty goo-oo-oo-d. At least at lunchtime on weekdays, when I'm usually there. I have Blow-Up and some 80s-era Jane Campion movie about two teenaged girlfriends. (I have a soft-spot for movies about girl-friends) I think it was a TV movie.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

No we got it from the video store.

I was kind of disappointed in the music collection. It was a lot smaller than I expected, and it was totally disorganized. But I still checked out:
Ethiopiques 1 (which I was really excited that they had)
A Treasury of Library of Congress Folk Music (which is awesome)
and
Some pianist playing pieces by Xenakis and Messiaen.
Books I checked out:
Pastoralia by George Saunders
and
No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie (biography of Joseph Smith that I've been wanting to read for a while)
I almost checked out The Recognitions by William Gaddis but we're still under our trial period so we can only check out 5 things at a time and that book is fucking long so I'm saving it for later.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

I love Sunrise. My second favorite film of all time.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Nick, you read lots of books I've never heard of. Who's Joseph Smith? Do I want to read his biography? I feel pretty dumb.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, it was pretty great. It was really TRIPPY for a silent movie, all the overlays and the psychotic carnival and the murder fantasies. The structure is really weird too, starting off all scary and dark, then getting giddy and happy but eventless in the middle, then turning tragic at the end. I accidentally fell asleep at the end but I think I only missed a couple of minutes.

You know who Joseph Smith was, he was the founder of the Mormons.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

And there's a thread about George Saunders on ILBooks right now. He writes short stories. I've never read anything by him but he sounds interesting.
William Gaddis writes very long books consisting almost only of dialogue. He gets thrown together with Pynchon and Gass and writers of that ilk a lot. I read another one of his books a few years ago and hated it, but some people seem to think that The Recognitions was his only great work, so I thought I would at least give it a chance.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

What a civilized weekend, Nick.

We rented mainstream, non-zombie movies (Crash and Anchorman), which we haven't done in way too long. And made pizza from scratch, of course.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

I almost checked out Anchorman instead of Dog Day Afternoon.

We also went to the gym twice. So it was a very VIRTUOUS weekend.

I am nervous about my job performance evaluation on Weds.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

Ooooh. Right. I didn't know that. I thought some other guy founded the Mormons. A guy whose name I've already forgotten. Seriously, I think my brain is going through this process of discarding information it finds useless, at least for now. I think I might be slowly getting dumber.

I'm like Charly in Flowers for Algernon.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh, we went to a total 'Sconsin party on Saturday. It was a co-worker's parents' annual thing, way out in the boondocks. They set off a shitload of FIREWORKS, and one of them went astray and hit the house (no harm done). There was also a bunch of free food and one of those inflatable castles that kids (and me) can jump around in. It was very wholesome.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

I was feeling a little homesick for Ohio today, with the rain and all.

Has anyone looked outside? It looks sinister.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

makes navy pier look like gotham city, which is a solid improvement.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

hiiiiiiiii keeeeeeeeeeelsey. how was your weekend?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

so so so so so so so lovely. just a dream. it was wonderful. i can't say enough great things.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

So, Kelsey, did you get any http://mosaikum.org/images/galactic_pizza.jpg ?

(if you know what I mean, etc.)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

AND we ate galactic!! we had the "second harvest" pizza or whatever it's called. so. fucking. delicious.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey I'm so glad you had a nice weekend! How was the pizza?

The thunder has scared Ed the cat into hiding under my desk. No amount of prodding will get him to come out. Poor guy.

Nick, tell me how the Joseph Smith bio is. I read about that in Under the Banner of Heaven, which is another good book about Mormons. I have some Mormon relatives and I'm a little obsessed with the whole thing. It's just so strange. Well, it's no stranger than Christianity (so one dude reads a golden book with magic glasses and another dude goes up on a mountain and gets told whats up by a bush that's on fire) but it's so contemporary and strange. Fascinating.

Oh by the way look! Face transplant! I'm so proud to be a USA-ian today.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

haha!! we were thinking the same thing!

Jenny: it was BETTER THAN I REMEMBERED IT!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Good morning.

I enjoy rainy, quiet mornings like this, unless they involve me doing actual work. I have this huge stack of filing to do - OH NO! I don't want to do anything except sit at my desk and play online.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

EYES WITHOUT A FACE! Face transplants didn't go so well in that movie.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

Long distance relationships may suck, but I kinda miss the high of cramming all of the good stuff into one weekend.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/issue408/eyeswithoutaface2.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

We got Crash through Netfilx as well this weekend, but have not watched it yet due to going to see The Constant Gardener on Sat. and my head being too full for another "serious" movie at the time. I think we may watch it tonight. No pizza involved though because I am DIETING. ; (

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I learned about No Man Knows My History from Under the Banner of Heaven too. I agree that the Mormons are totally fascinating, just because it is such a recent history and so we know a lot more about their development, plus the whole history of violence that gets totally glossed over, per UtBoH.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Question for the masses:

If you, god forbid, suffered a horrible face-disfiguring accident, would you concede to a face transplant from a dead dude?

Knowing that you would have to take anti-rejection drugs forever?

Knowing that there might be psychological difficulties for you and your loved ones adjusted to your new visage?

Knowing that eventually the face would start telling you to kill people because unbeknownst to you, the corpse from whence your new face came was that of a CONVICTED AND EXECUTED MURDERER????

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it is a lot of cramming all the good stuff into one weekend. also, i don't worry about being all "healthy" for a couple of days. i kinda lived that up, lemme tell ya.
although, yesterday we had breakfast at my favorite breakfast joint (thus far) & i had cornmeal crusted tofu cutlets with acorn squash & a pecan/cranberry/something else compote. it was AWESOME.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

the only thing that was mildly sucky about this weekend was meeting two of his new law school friends. one of whom is kinda prickly & i can't say i got warm fuzzies off of the other one either. i've never really not liked leaf's friends before . . . i hope it was just an awkward first meeting & that if they keep hanging out, it'll get better.
i got kinda awkward vibes & they didn't understand/appreciate my sense of humor. i also got the most polite looks of horror when i mentioned r. kelly.

meh.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

I kinda miss the high of cramming all of the good stuff into one weekend.

I know that feeling, Jordan. That quivery feeling you get when you've been waiting all week, or for several weeks, to see someone, and when you do, you just attack each other. That's nice.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

xpost - bleh. he probably barely knows them too, seeing that he's only been there a little while, right?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

i also got the most polite looks of horror when i mentioned r. kelly.

Aw hell no! Some people just can't appreciate the greatness of Trapped in the Closet.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, fuck em if they can't take being peed on.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

What was the breakfast joint, Kelsey?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

funny, i do not miss long distance relationships at all

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 19 September 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Haha! I was totally talking about Trapped in the Closet!! Yeah, did NOT go over well. But I think you're right, Amanda. I mean, this is Leaf's third week. It's early yet.

Jordan: it was this place called Birchwood Cafe. They have a cycling team too! I should've bought some little birchwood cycling socks.
http://www.birchwoodcafe.com/

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

That place looks good. My favorite breakfast place in the cities is Maria's Cafe. They've got big cornmeal pancakes with crumbly cheese, mmmm.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

That place looks so yummy! Kelsey, don't worry about those guys. They barely know your bf, and they definitely don't know you yet. Also, you probably sort of subconsciously didn't like them because they get to live in the same city as Leaf does and you don't.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

haha! that's probably true to a certain extent.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

thanks for that link, jordan. i just sent it along to leaf.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mariascafe.com/images/marias_cafe_pancakes_small.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Oooh Oooh Oooh, Twin Cities breakfast joints?!? Bryant-Lake Bowl!

― dan m (OutDatWay), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

The Egg & I!

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

hey Amanda, I'm sorry if my bringing up Ohio on the states thread is bringing you down, especially if you're feeling homesick today.

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

I like the Uptowner (or is just Uptown?) too. I don't remember the food, but if you order a huge bloody mary you get to keep the glass. I hate bloody marys, but I like glasses.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Hi. I had a weird weekend in another city, and now I am in a brand-new office. I feel like it's the first day of college all over again. (I think it rained that day, too.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

It's no biggie Sarah! -- I'm just standing up for my thoroughly mediocre (but NOT horrible) homestate. It's just not as bad as people who drive through it think it is.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

The pride of Dublin, Ohio (if you don't count this cute girl named Katie Ril3y I once had a crush on):

http://www.mikebrowne.com/lunch/archive/01082002/davethomas.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

The pride of Dayton, OH:

http://flung.net/comics/images/bob.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, I feel the same way about Surrey (which Tom takeas apart on the UK version of that thread) - I don't technically live there, but I know it better than any other county and it's, well, it's got some plus points, I'm sure...

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

"It's just not as bad as people who drive through it think it is." I feel the same about IN, if you've only heard of Gary of course you think the rest of the state is a hellhole. I wish adam were here to defend Gary.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Hey Jeff and/or Jenny, what was that place you stayed at up in Spring Green? You know, the one with the shackles?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I once spent a few weeks in New Harmony, Indiana, workshopping a potential Broadway musical about a truck contest in Texas. What a beautiful town. I'd never been to southern Indiana, and this town had been a Utopian community in the 1800s -- a successful one, with patented products coming out of the "science buildings" and meditational paths designed by philosophers. Sounds crazy, but it's there, and lovely. Plus, I spent a lot of time playing Scrabble with an original cast member of Hair and others.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that sounds like some Waiting for Guffman shit.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

This cubicle has less privacy that the one in the old building. I keep looking over my shoulder. It also doesn't help that on moving day there are dozens of guys walking around still nailing things in and moving crates and stuff.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

How was your weekend weird, jaymc?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

It just ... was. Probably not best talked about here.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

uh oh.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh, ok.

In really less interesting news, everyone is ordering food at work today except me. Boo hoo hoo. Also, I didn't buy the boots I found online, because in real life they made me look like my ankles were deformed. Damn the wedge heel look! But other than that, I had a great weekend. I'm so sad it's Monday now, so very very sad.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Well, hell, Jaymc, let's have lunch.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

i just ate a slice of blueberry pie!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

(Intelligensia in the Monondock Building? 11:45?)

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to, but I think the company is buying lunch for everyone today. And I don't work around the Monadnock Building anymore!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh, right, I thought you were over by the Merc, but you're further away. Alas!

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Jordan - The Don Q Inn. I would NOT recommend staying there (it stinks, really badly, and I have no confidence that they clean as often as I might like), but they do offer tours if you want to look at the shackle rooms.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

The area around is here is kinda touristy: Harry Caray's, boat tours, etc.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

you're over there?! crazy. so you're near the house of blues & the corncob building?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Oh also, Jordan, the shackles were defective. Only one worked!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Haha!

Ew, thanks for the heads up, Jenny. We'll have to find somewhere else to go on our vacation next month.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, K, my building is right on the edge of the river. Unfortunately, the side that I'm on overlooks a parking lot.

(Also, I got your phone message last night. Let's talk later!)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

I feel sick and I want to go home. Fat chance.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

Vong's Thai Kitchen over there has a great great lunch deal if you ever want something a little special -- 3 courses for something like $10, great food.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Who wants to go see the n3w black next Saturday for their record release at the Hide0ut? huh huh huh?

One of my coworkers just left to try on pants at the Gap. Another one is leaving to pick up food for the office. I think this would be an excellent time for me to sneak off to the bathroom to read.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Jordan: you can go to Minneapolis & have GALACTIC PIZZA!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Bob.

Oh.

Oh, I'm not sure anyone else will care about this, but Bob and James Greer will be at the DePaul center Barnes and Noble for a book signing:

http://depaul.bkstore.com/default.asp?s=566789774824|084&m=0501

Nov 15 Guided By Voices - two original band members
We are delighted to welcome original Guided By Voices members James Greer and Robert Pollard as they discuss and sign copies of Guided By Voices: A Brief History. Guuided By Voices is the most influential and devoutly followed indie-rock band of the last decade.
Location: Barnes & Noble DePaul Center

I'm tempted to this signed:

http://static.flickr.com/3/6203781_d9c30db76b.jpg

I'd have to lug it on the train, and to work, and then to class that night. Life is hard.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Jeff, your journey to and from the signing with that poster would make a fantastic music video or short film.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Nice poster (and frame job)!

― sgs (sgs), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Jeff! No way! I gotta tell Dan! I am THERE!!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Guuided By Voices is the most influential and devoutly followed indie-rock band of the last decade.

I'd take issue with this claim.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Me, too, and I *heart* GBV. It's just silly ad copy to get people to go to Borders.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Exactly. It's ridiculous press release regurgitation. It doesn't mean that GBV doesn't TOTALLY RULE THOUGH! Woo! Yeah! Ugh!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't mean that GBV doesn't TOTALLY RULE THOUGH!

I'd take issue with this claim. ;-)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure that I've ever heard GBV.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

I'd take issue with this claim. ;-)

I know, I know. Let me wallow in Ohio pride for just a little while. At least they deserve some points for being prolific.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

TS: Robert Pollard vs. Joyce Carol Oates

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that was a $300 frame job. Custom framing is too fucking expensive. Still worth it though.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, you just want to pick fights about GBV. Well I won't! I won't do it.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Nick, I listened to Keith Hudson before and on the way to work this morning, so thanks again. It's good stuff, some of the drumming is pretty crazy. I wish I could remaster it though...one thing I loved about that Soul Jazz comp I got is that the bass is mixed really loud but the low-end is EQ'd out. Some of the tracks on this have that loosey goosey bass mix that's become my pet peeve.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

we are a quiet bunch today. i'm sleepy & feeling all craptastic from drinking soda too late in the night last night.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

i'm worried about the zit on my chin and wondering whether or not i'm smelly because i went for a walk on my lunch break and managed to get sort of sweaty.

to recap:
1) zit
2) stink?
3) sweaty

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

It's uncomfortably humid outside.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

i stayed up until 4, and am barely alive today. Getting out of bed this morning will be the hardest thing I'll do all week. It was so nice and cool out and the sheets were fresh and smelled nice and the blankets were all fluffy and the kitty was all snuggly and I just wanted to stay there until noon. I still want to go back. Like, right now.

Three more hours.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

i was really tempted to call in sick today.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

You and me both. I'd have been better off, I think. The morning was even worse to me than that -- the bus was 20 minutes late, which means I was 20 minutes late, but I did get off the bus just in time for the peak of the rainstorm, and showed up three blovks later drenched to the underwear. I'm still a little musty.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sick at all, but also I have to save up my sick days for wintertime because I always get the flu and a really bad cold or two or three. Basically, I'm just really pale and sickly all winter long.

I'm excited about going to the gym after work today. I've been using some of the weight machines to build up my back muscles so I'm not such a wuss playing bass. It's pretty fun. Plus, the new season of AD starts tonight. BOO YA!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Hell, I am sick and I still came in today. I could have gotten away with calling in, but I left early Thursday 'cause I felt shitty, then took a half day Friday 'cause my grandmother died. So I kind of felt like one of those students my mom always bitched about, searching for ways to get out of class.

xpost: Just hope you don't get the cold I got.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

sorry about your grandma, dan.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

and your cold.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Thank you. It was a long time coming. A lot of grief that she, my aunt, mom, and rest of family don't have to deal with any more.

xpost: Haha. Yeah, I'm such a martyr.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Hey dudes. I am taking Friday off because my sister will be here. Four day work week, wahooey!

Yeah, Jordan, most of those reggae recordings were pretty lo-tech. The sound on some leaves much to be desired. But I kind of like it that way.

xpost, sorry dan.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I'm sorry to hear about your loss, but I can empathize about those feelings of relief.

No, I know colds can be really really bad. Thus, the trip to the ER I took last winter thinking I had bronchitus (biggest f'n mistake of my life, or at least up there).

I'm tired of making copies. It's sooo this morning.

NICK! Have you already asked for Friday off?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

subject change: what's the best way to get rid of fruit flies?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I have ASKED FOR and RECEIVED Friday off.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

what's the best way to get rid of fruit flies?

Little dish of vinegar works pretty well. Much better than honey, despite what people tell you.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Time for a Literati break, Sarah?

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

EZ. When are we going to work on our new number?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Who started that rumor, anyway? More flies with honey. It doesn't even work metaphorically. Say you're on the phone with SBC. You can either a) be calm, complacent, polite, and get nowhere; or b) curse up a storm and be openly, brazenly pissed off and get what you want. I got Comcast to cut the cable bill in half once by being a total dick about it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry about your grandma, dan. And your cold. My cold has finally subsided to an occasional, gooey sounding cough.

I have a two day week this week. I'm going to Delaware on Wednesday. Woop.

Best way to get rid of fruit flies: Clean! Get rid of what's attracting them! They'll die.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

EZ, I haven't played literati since my last job - so, it's been since January! I've been mostly good at this job and recently got a wee bit o' a raise. Otherwise, I'd be literati'n it up with you (and Julia!).

Nick, congrats on getting Friday off! I'm jealous. Are you guys going to hang out with me at lunchtime? huh huh huh?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

yeah, my roommate finally cleaned this weekend. before i left on friday, i kinda laid down the law. her stuff was really all over the place. i was tired of being the only one doing dishes. so the kitchen is clean & there are about 3 little cups of vinegar. we'll see. it's just gross.

dan, i'm really sorry about your grandma.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

btw: i think amanda will be the only person who cares in the slightest, but i leaf & i took our measurements this weekend. i sure have big ass hips, lemme tell ya.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

I have to get in on that hot Literati action.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

K., let's maybe work on the number maybe early next week (now that we got the reprieve)?

I'll kick the Literati habit whenever I leave this job...but for now I'm up to about 2250. But will be glad to retire the crown sometime.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

that sounds fine. we have to be kinda disciplined about it though b/c this weekend is the only weekend i'm in town for the next 6 weeks.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

Good job laying down the law, Kelsey. Dirty roomies drive me crazy.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

shit, kelsey, does that mean that we have to work on our dance this weekend too? i'm free monday and wednesday nights as well...

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

i'm been feeling grade-A terror about it.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

I did a monster amount of cleaning last night -- did all my laundry, scrubbed the bathroom and kitchen, swept and mopped all the floors, picked up balls of cat hair from behind furniture, etc. It felt gooooood. I love that feeling when everything is clean, and then you take a shower and you're clean, too, annd it's like, just for a moment, all is right with the world.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

similarly, i performed two acts of plumbing and i felt very accomplished because we didn't need to call a plumber. now, due to my acts of plumbing, i AM a plumber.

i am a plumber, i seek to understand clogs.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I love that feeling! I wish I had enough time to feel it more often.

Our vacuum cleaner is in the shop so our apartment is covered in three inches of cat hair. Gah. It's making me kind of itchy just thinking about it. This means that nobody can come over until we get the vacuum back. Don't look at how we live!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

I love that everything's clean feeling too, but sometimes it works the other way. I'll be out and about and suddenly feel like OMG! MY LIFE IS IN COMPLETE CHAOS! because I'll remember that the apartment is dirty or I need to do laundry or wash dishes or something. Right now, though, the apartment IS clean, thanks to a cleaning spree yesterday afternoon avec Nick.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

So what should I be for Halloween? A face transplant patient? Something scary? Something whacky? I need help!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

amanda: yes. tonight is not good for me. my brain is mush. i want to watch my favorite tv show ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT. i never want to watch tv, so when i do want to watch tv, i become very excited about it. i was going to lift today, but i'm tired so i'll do it tomorrow, thurs & sat instead. wednesday i'm hopefully going to ANTM debut at a friend's house, but otherwise, i'll be workin' for some overtime at mah job. don't worry, it's r. kelly. there's very little we need to do. i plan on trying to shorten the song so that we don't have 15 repeats of the chorus. that would get right old right quick.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

yes - shorten the song. short short short. this week is bad for me too because I have a paper due on Thursday.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Also, I can't imagine you guys getting through 15 repeats of the dance moves without just falling over laughing.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

I've decided I'm too chicken to sing any of my Sekret Projekt stuff, but maybe I should copy that cd to give out for free at Squeezed as some sort of art project??

I still want to do some kind of performance too though. But what?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

what if i wore a GIANT t-shirt for my costume?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

You mean the T-shirt as a dress look?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey, Obviously you have to wear a white t-shirt and jeans so the cops can't pin anything on you.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

join us sarah.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

one of us one of us one of us sex in the kitchen, over by the stove, put you on the counter, by the butter(ed) rolls one of us one of us

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

Say it more menacingly and maybe just maybe I will.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

SEX IN THE KITCHEN, OVER BY THE STOVE, PUT YOU ON THE COUNTER, BY THE BUTTER ROLLS! ARGH!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

that was scary.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'll brainstorm tonight when I'm working out about something to do, but if I don't come up with something, maybe I could join the dance team? If I end up being involved, I insist that we have some costume coordination going on. I haven't made up dance steps since my best friend Nadia and I choreographed all of Mony Mony.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

JOIN the dance team! I agree about the costume coordination.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Hello, Chicago! What's this I hear about someone wanting you to outlaw foie gras?

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard about that, but I think there should be a french cowboy bad guy named Monseiur OUTLAW FOIE GRAS.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

i heard about it -- an alderman - someone- wants to make foie gras illegal on the basis that it's cruelty to animals. (force feeding, etc)

soon there are gonna be all sorts of little underground foie gras joints for people to go to, to dance and eat fatty, spreadable liver into the wee hours of the morning.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

An alderman proposed an ordinance outlawing foie gras due to the cruel way its produced, by Mayor Daley said that was too much governmental interference in our every day lives and wouldn't let it go on the books.

Pate for everybody!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

You had me at French cowboys, Sarah!

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

i mean i'll wear a giant t-shirt so i'd be like i was wearing R.KELLY'S t-shirt! 'cause he thinks it's so HOTTTT!!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

actually, three people would be PERFECT because then someone gets to be R KELLY & MOUTH ALL THE WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Daley's right, though, there's far too much government interference in the lives of geese -- all these countless standards and USDA-approval mechanisms and feed-quality regulations and so on. And to think that this alderman wants to poke the nose of the state into the private, sexual lives of geese, and deny them the opportunity to engage in whatever kinds of BDSM force-feeding relationships they like. . . . it's just a slap in the beak, is what it is.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

and that person is you, while sarah and i are the background HOs

yeeeeees.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Is R Kelly from Illinois?
http://www.danubius.hu/repository/images/22531

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

while i am (sickeningly) okay with playing r. kelly, i don't want anyone to be alarmed by me acting extra sleazy. i'm afraid i might get into character too much. and i mean this in a sincere way . . . not in an "i'm going to use r. kelly as an excuse" kind of way. think: drama. the theatre.
this also means that i have some serious re-thinking of my costume if i'm going to be rk.
anyone have a doo rag? sweat band?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

So what should I be for Halloween? A face transplant patient? Something scary? Something whacky? I need help!

Two words: sexy pirate

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

Is R Kelly from Illinois?

Born and raised in Chicago, baby.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

Basically all female adult costumes start with sexy, like Sexy Vampyre, Sexy Nurse, Sexy Witch, Sexy French Maid...

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

And I will in turn be a gay pirate. A member of the crew of The Raging Queen.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Check some of these out.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

R. had a crib in Lincoln Park for a few years.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

I like how some of the adult costumes on that page include video as well as your typical photo.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I was workin' out around the corner from R. all this time!

http://www.insideonline.com/site/epage/27170_162.htm

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Ooh la la? I think not.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

what kind of name is that for a costume?! honestly!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

i never know what to be for halloween. i've just posted the question to the "extensive" readers of my bloggy thing.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Kenan, your costume of choice should be an adult version of this:

http://www.dressingupboxonline.co.uk/images/products/1cc262_lg.jpg

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

xpost I think it's supposed to be a french can-can girl, hence the "ooh la la." But something is very wrong. Why is he wearing a fat suit? Riddle me that!

Ooh! Foxy!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

(The site that comes from is called "dressingupboxonline.co.uk," which has got to be the most English thing I've ever heard: "Come now, Mummy, let's see what in the dressing-up box!")

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.painetworks.com/photos/ik/ik2529.JPG

Bow-chicka-BOW!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

...but I'm not so sure I have the body for that outfit.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to dress up as a disgruntle desktop support specialist.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

I will be wearing nothing but my RAGE.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

jordan: maybe you could be your very own galactic delivery guy?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

I actually hate dressing up. I think it draws too much attention to myself, but then not dressing up and going out really calls attention to myself. The key is that I must dress up, but not too much as to call attention to myself. A couple of years ago I accomplished this by wearing just a paper crown.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

I was in meetings all afternoon, so now I have to stay late to get my actual work done.

Kelsey, that's a brilliant idea. I wonder if people outside of the cities would get the joke?

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Hey guys, should I buy the first season of Arrested Development on dvd? I've only seen one episode, but it seems like it couldn't not be funny.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

Yes yes yes do it do it. You will not regret it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

I try to wear pyjamas every Halloween.

― Eazy (Eazy), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Now who's being English?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

I think I just say a dead guy in an alley at Argyle. There was a cop there, just standing around, like he was waiting for some. Doesn't seem like he would be waiting for him to wake up. Plus, the way he was lying there, he was sort of wrapped around a poll with everything limp. So he was either dead or had one hellava night.

The surreal thing about it was that it was 6:30 and there were a lot of people getting off the train, and while everyone was glancing not a single person slowed down, not even myself.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Monday, 19 September 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

That's really sad.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 19 September 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

I will dedicate my current beer to Jeff's anonymous corpse.

I worked until 9:00 and then stopped by the record store to get Arrested Development, but they didn't have it (and yes, they have dvds). The dude did sell me the new Bad Plus cd a few hours early though.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

I think I want to be something scary for Halloween. Maybe I could be Satan's Cheerleader or ZOMBIE REHNQUIST or something.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

I guess this Halloween I'll have to get another costume - my sailor outift is played out :(

OMG apparently there's a sniper in Wimbledon!!

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Hi yall.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

jeff, you went to SPACE CAMP? tell me all about it. i wanted to go to space camp so badly but my mom said it was too expensive and i didn't even like science, so why go to space camp.

space camp. dish.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Jenny -- please please be Zombie Rehnquist.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

or Sexy Zombie Rehnquist.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

I agree with all of this.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

The premier of this season's AD was so good! Who's with me? huh?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

yes!!! i thought it had a slow-ish start, but then it picked right up!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Is the spacing between the lines on ILX weird for anyone else, or did I accidentally change my settings somehow?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

it's not weird for me.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

i forget that i like kiwis!! i bought some last night & ate one with breakfast. so good!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

How could I have done this? I know how to change the font size, but this is like I made the whole page double-spaced somehow.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

it's not weird for me. i saw my former college classmate on his new sitcom and it was very Friends-y.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh I fixed it somehow. FALSE ALARM.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

I actually won a scholarship to go to space camp. I wrote a measly little 3 page essay about how space travel would affect the future. In hindsight, I was dead wrong. Idealistic youth.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Also, I have video of me there, which is HI-larious. If only I had a VCR.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

that is so COOL! i never thought that the mere mention of space camp would get me all worked up almost 2 decades later, but here i am, wanting to hear more more more about space camp. did you have cool bunkmates? did you go in a zero-gravity chamber?!?!!?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

was there any romance? did you avert any crises? were there monkeys there?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

I wrote a measly little 3 page essay about how space travel would affect the future.

haha "In the future, things will be a lot more expensive. Also, we will have velcro."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Can Amanda or someone else please link me to her flickr page with the birthday pix again? I've forgotten her code name. Also I now have a flickr account under the name "naamme" which will have ARTISTIC photos on it, if you want to add me as a contact. Right now there is only one. It is of my cat. But there will be more eventually.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

here you go

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

Oh, did I ever want to go to Space Camp as a child. I was even in YOung Astronauts at school in the hopes that my model-rosket making talents were recognized. The only other girl in YA was an albino.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

For the Arrested Development fans on the Chicago thread:
http://www.imoscar.com/

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

jordan & nick, i just added you as flickr contacts. hope that's okay.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

ha! i was going to try the website today to see if they had one up & i forgot to!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

Last night, a dj saved my life. Not really, but I just felt like saying something.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

And all the sailors say "Brandy, you're a fine girl, what a goooood wife you would be..."
Also, We love Katamari is out either today if you're looking at Amazon and Thurs. if you look anywhere else. Who is right? It's a mystery.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm. I love Katamari Damacy but the new one looks almost exactly the same and also I have no money right now. So I will wait. I haven't been playing my PS2 that much lately anyhow.

This is going to be a long boring work day.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

sarah, are you in for r. kelly?!

would anyone want to try & get together this weekend to practice?

what are people doing this weekend? namely, saturday night?

also: i am kinda in love with the idea of wearing (what looks like) nothing but a GIANT white t-shirt since r. kelly is so fixated on those. maybe i'll wear boxers underneath or something.

i'll tell ya, if i'm r. kelly in this get up, i think i'm going to wear a GIANT t-shirt & a fake moustache. that's it. in all other respects i'll look like a woman. what do you think?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Kels, do you know that your "favorite pose" (per flikr) is the same as R. Kelly's favorite promo-photo pose (lowering his sunglasses to look at either the camera or a beautiful woman)?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

My SISTER will be in town this weekend before going to INDIA for 9 MONTHS. To do what, no one really knows. We were thinking of maybe going to the Hideout on Saturday to see the NEW BLACK.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

i suddenly started worrying that this was going to come off like some transgendered minstrel show. it's not, right? no. no way, right?

this weekend we have friends in town and i'm not sure when 9that's the kind of people we're talking about -- we're coming, but we don't know when!), but there's a chance i could come to your house for practicing on sunday.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

I need to practice my Squeezed performance, but I don't really want to do it at my house. Maybe I'll go to the practice space so I can practice LOUDER.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

i suddenly started worrying that this was going to come off like some transgendered minstrel show.

I think this fear is somewhat founded.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

transgendered minstrel show? i think/hope that's overthinking it a bit. i'm imagining it as low budget, elementary school talent show silliness.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

if you don't want to do it, that's honestly okay. i'd just rather know sooner than later.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Even if it does come off that way, some CONTROVERSY would probably make Squeezed a little more exciting than usual.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

(I mean, maybe I'm tired and cranky, but I'm having flashbacks to a certain "ghetto fabulous" party.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure where the "minstrel show" aspect comes in - just because kelsey is white and she's singing a song by a black dude?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

i thought the same thing, about it being a cute elementary school dance routine, but then became afraid that i was being naive in thinking this...

i don't want to be the person who's always backing out of things, but sometimes i'm that person. usually i'm eager to do something and then later i have doubts. i recognize this as extremely lame behavior. unfortunately, it's also a lifelong habit.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

The premier of this season's AD was so good! Who's with me? huh?

arrested development was hilarious last night. it totally made my day. i immediately put s1 on my netflix list.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

john, seriously. let the ghetto fab thing drop okay? you're going to make me cranky.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I shouldn't have brought it up.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

I can't find the photo I saw a year or two ago in GQ -- R. is sitting in a sports car with a bethonged woman sitting on the hood, and, owing a bit to Tone Loc, he lowers his sunglasses with the idea that a) he can see the beautiful woman in better light with his sunglasses down and b) letting us in on the excitement of the man under the cool shades.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

now i'm embarrassed. why is this such a big deal? wow, i'm REALLY annoying. i'm sorry kelsey.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Fite! Fite! Rawrrr! Let's see some hair pulling!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

amanda, just let me know. if you do back out, then maybe eric & i can work on two songs or i'll just play a harmonica solo. i don't want you to feel pressured, but i do think this could be really hilarious.
really, really hilarious.

and nick, i'm with you. a little controversy does spice things up a bit. but maybe i'm less PC or whatever, but i don't see an issue with me singing a song by a black man who happens to be extremely fixated on sex. perhaps i am naive & ignorant of the racial & gender divide. maybe not, though.

eric. i would LOVE to find that photo. maybe i can start a career as an r. kelly cover singer & my brochure has our two photos side by side!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

I really can't get into AD. My humor glands are broken.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Was the GF party the one with all the dirty photos on the walls, or was that a different theme party?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

amanda,
it's seriously okay to back out. seriously. obviously i'm enthusiastic about it but that shouldn't stop you from being comfortable. also, we're on the brink of a fresh & new friendship. I don't want this to be any kind of deal breaker or tension inducer to jepordize the fresh new thing.
also, you're not embarassing or lame.
if i wasn't as stupidly excited about it, i'd probably be riddled with doubt. i have really bad stage fright. i shake & get nervous & stuff.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

he lowers his sunglasses with the idea that a) he can see the beautiful woman in better light with his sunglasses down and b) letting us in on the excitement of the man under the cool shades.

Shade Tippin'

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

eric, that was the "who's yo' daddy" party. also controversial, but not as much.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone ever been to an orgy? I don't mean you guys, I mean anyone. I don't think they exist.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Deejay's Appeal: 'Kill the Whiteness Inside'

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone ever been to an orgy? I don't mean you guys, I mean anyone. I don't think they exist.

In college, I was dragged to something that I was told would be an orgy. We ended up just playing spin the bottle for a while and then some people made out in corners. I think a girl maybe took her shirt off. Meh.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

I think you need to start from the very beginning with AD since it references itself so much.

Kelsey, I'm totally in. Like Nick said, his sister will be here this weekend, so I should probably, um, hang out with her. But wait, Nick, when is she leaving? Sunday or Monday? Anyway, she's going to India with only a backpack and no plan. CRAZY!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Excellent, Jaymc!! I love your 'Wonder Boys' contribution!

I may take a sabbatical from work this fall and develop an article about the histrionics of shade tippin', though I'm sure others have beat me to it.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

http://www.phase9.tv/images1a/Rules_of_Attraction_-3.jpg

Let's throw THAT Halloween party. Whaddya say, guys?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Or this one.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

The Wonder Boys photo is a classic, although it loses a little something by not being actual shades.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

My bf invited me to an orgy a week or so ago, but it turned out it was just the two of us in our own bedroom.

But in all seriousness folks, I do think they exist, but I don't think they sound sexy.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm still getting the hang of this Chicago thread -- is it Tuesdays and Thursdays that we emphasize sex here?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

sarah, just let me know. i'm around all this weekend. during the week, but out for the following 6 weekends. i have lots of travel. next weekend, i could be back by sunday evening no problem & likely will. so there's that.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I do think they exist, but I don't think they sound sexy.

Yeah, I'm afraid that IRL, I'd just end up in a damp-smelling room with a bunch of malformed hippies.

is it Tuesdays and Thursdays that we emphasize sex here?

It's just kinda whenever I'm around. I have a... condition.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Hypothetically, they're awesome, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

why are the women in those photos all hot but the men, uh, either chubby or hard to tell what they look like?

a friend of mine had an adventurous sexual past, and he used to have orgies in his bedroom all the time, because that's where everybody went to smoke when there was a party at their place. it just became tradition for everyone to get naked and get it on as well. i'm not quite sure how the transition would go that way, but apparently it was a very small room, and people got ideas.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

So, Amanda, are you in or out?

(Now you guys know why Nick doesn't want me to do any standup.)

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to Delaware this weekend. Actually, I'm going tomorrow, but will be there over the weekend. YEAH DELAWARE YEAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!

Jeff's space camp video is honestly one of the most adorable things I have ever seen. He was such a sweet little kiddo! I think when I saw the video was the first time I thought I might want kids because if all goes well, the would like like Jeff did when he was little. Also he has a southern accent and gets excited about a rocket and then wins an award. It's one of my favorite things ever.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

sorry if i come off as a pushy r. kelly fanatic. sometimes i think i come off a lot harsher than i mean to.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

wait. sarah does nick not want you to do stand up b/c you're doing r. kelly or b/c he's saving the time to initiate orgies?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

why are the women in those photos all hot but the men, uh, either chubby or hard to tell what they look like?

Because women are better.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

My bf invited me to an orgy a week or so ago, but it turned out it was just the two of us in our own bedroom.

Sarah I'm pretty sure this was LAST NIGHT.

Yeah, a lot of Arrested Development doesn't make sense unless you watch it from the beginning. It's very self-referential, which might be part of its ratings problems.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

i'm not quite sure how the transition would go that way, but apparently it was a very small room, and people got ideas.

I have plenty of ideas, but things like that never seem to happen to me!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

actually (with some wonderment, since his life is no longer at all like this), my friend tells a story about how there was an orgy going on in his bedroom one day, and he was in the living room watching a movie, and some naked girl came out and asked him to join them. but he was watching a movie, so he said no, because orgies were regular enough that they were routine for him, and he really wanted to see how this movie ended. so then two girls came out, both naked, and they started making out and feeling each other up and all as a show for him, and he just said, leave me alone, i'm watching a movie! he doesn't even remember what the movie was, now.

i agree with sarah though, i don't think they sound all that sexy in reality. i like one sweaty person at a time.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Blah blah everyone has more sex than me blah blah.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

Julia, thanks for that story, I'm going to curl up and cry now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

i would like to point out that this is a real friend and not me, i don't have stories anywhere as interesting. also, i'm female.

aw, i'm sorry...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Your salad days are ahead of you, Jaymc.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

the idea of an orgy doesn't do anything for me.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

Just wait 'til Canasta tours opening for the revamped INXS. You'll be getting so much tail.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

I guess.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Everyone in the same room doesn't do much; better to have a very spacious place with a lot of nooks and crannies for pairs and trios.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

xpost Careful of the autoerotic asphyxiation, though. You know how those INXS guys are.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

xpost Oh, there are nooks and crannies alright.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

(I wish I could edit posts here. I should add -- better to have a party where there's a sexy vibe in the air and a lot of nooks and crannies.)

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

btw and totally off topic, we should play literati sometime, eazy.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cityofangelsfilmfest.org/CAFF99/Sleeper220.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

So, Amanda, are you in or out?

I'm afraid that I'm out. A full chronicle of my terror at performing in front of people is available upon request.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

I remember in college one of the houses put up "Orgy at Te3ter House" signs in all the dorms and bathrooms, just because they wanted to see who would show up and then laugh at them. I guess it caused some kind of minor liberal arts college controversy, but I could care less. Then again, I found it amusing when someone blasted Ween's "Spinal Meningitis (Got Me Down)" during a campus meningitis episode.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Hey, anytime Julia, esp. between 8 and 4 p.m. I had someone get mad at me this morning and call me a cheat -- OH! and it's because I spelled, coincidentally CRANNIES covering both triple-word and double-word spots for a 6xW bonus.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Hypothetical orgies probably are better than the real thing, though, because everyone's attractive and the inevitable awkwardness is sexy rather than frustrating.

I guess it caused some kind of minor liberal arts college controversy

Oh good God, I remember minor liberal arts college controversies.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Fr@nk Church to thread.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

i've been called a cheating cunt, it was amusing! literati people can take things way too personally if you're good. though i'm not as good as i used to be.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

i got booziest on a triple with the z on a double once, wooo. i'm jbdules on aim if you want to find me for a game, anytime.

ok, sorry, back to orgies or whatever.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

For the record, too, I've never witnessed or been invited to participate in an orgy. I did hear that the women at Oberlin College were prone to organizing them, though.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

i got booziest on a double shot of z-grade triple sec.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

I did hear that the women at Oberlin College were prone to organizing them, though.

Liz Phair, where are you?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

EZ, I agree with you about editing posts -- "Liz Phair, so much to answer for" would've been snappier.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

i went to marquette, and as far as i could tell, the catholic school kids weren't really into organizing orgies, just getting drunk and hooking up individually.

maybe i just wasn't privy to a whole other side of things though...

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, booziest must've been 120+ points, Juulia. I should work now, but let's play soon.

I visited Marquette as a teenager. Stayed with friends a year older than me in that big beer-can-shaped dorm.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

Orgies in movies tend to involve lots of ladies and like one dude who totally doesn't deserve that much attention. Plus, due to my clumbsy nature, someone would definitely get elbowed. Also, they make me think of nudist colonies, which reminds me of that time my mom and her bf invited me to go to one with them & his 6-yr old daughter.

ALSO, it's sort of like some of those groups in high school who slowly make their way around the same group of friends, so in the end everyone has had sex with everyone else. UGH.

I still want to do it, kelsey, but I wish we had another backup dancer so it would look more balanced.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

maybe i just wasn't privy to a whole other side of things though...

You know that joke about Puritanism? That it's the fear that someone somewhere may be having fun? Sometimes I feel this way perhaps more than I should.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Case in point:

Orgies in movies tend to involve lots of ladies and like one dude who totally doesn't deserve that much attention

WHAT ARE THESE MOVIES? TITLES/DIRECTORS, PLEASE.

ALSO, it's sort of like some of those groups in high school who slowly make their way around the same group of friends, so in the end everyone has had sex with everyone else. UGH.

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE. INVITE ME. I DON'T CARE.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, now I just feel like I'm overplaying my hand.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

sarah, i'm working on it. i'm putting a couple "asks" in to get more folks to do it with us.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

if anyone wants to wear my waitress dress, it's up for grabs.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

i was always the one girl who didn't get it on with this or that of the group of our friends, it just seemed icky. prudish me.

just to point it out, i was just telling someone on im: (about my friend with the orgy stories) he told me that story in total wonderment at how his life used to be, because now he isn't getting any, nor will he be anytime soon, most probably.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

I bet he has STDs up the wahzoo, and other places too.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm prudish like that too, Juulia. Which reminds me, we need to schedule a 6fu viewing session.

How come when I google HEALTHY SNACKS, I only come up with sites geared towards housewives full of fingerfood ideas for thier kids? I NEED SNACKS TOO, DAMN IT! LAZY SNACKS!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

ugh. maybe, but i dunno, i only hear his interesting stories.

xp yeah, we should totally watch 6fu. i have lost for you too.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Celery and peanut butter.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

My office is freezing right now. I'm in a t-shirt.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

nuts, seeds, dried fruit, the dreaded cottage cheese (although string cheese might pass), fresh fruit . . . sometimes i'll do a luna bar or a clif bar, but not so much anymore.
i just bought pumpkin seeds at trader j's & they're great. i also have an apple & grapes for later & cottage cheese for when i need protein.

chips & salsa aren't bad, either.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I have some lowfat moz. string cheese with me today! I think I'll go eat it!

Who is Jack Mc1nney?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

jesus. that's crazy! did you find that googling?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

i always used to like trail mix with nuts and raisins and dried cranberries and stuff, but for some reason i don't really have that so much anymore, i just have lots of honey roasted peanuts.

pumpkin seeds are really good for you, they have lots of good fats and vitamin e.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

the only thing with nuts is that some of them have high fat content, but the saturated fat is low. sometimes people care about that.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

How come you guys don't eat your own delicious healthy snack ideas any more?

I ended up donating my cottage cheese to the office. Some ladies bring in fancy cookies or donuts. I bring in cottage cheese.

I yahooed the band name, something I do when I'm bored.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

I never snack. The last time I had anything like a snack, it was a coke and a twix bar at the laundromat, which I bought just to break a bill for change. Perhaps I should try snacking more.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

I just can't get over my dislike of cottage cheese. Cheese curds, on the other hand, are squeaky bundles of love.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

And I loooove celery. Is that a weird thing to be in love with? Carrots, too. Both of them go well with peanut butter. Also, fingers. Penut butter and finger is a great snack.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

it's FREEZING in here too. i have a shawl and a blanket and a sweater.

as for healthy snacks, i ODed on trail mix (remember?) but lately i've been eating a lot of (don't take this the wrong way) cucumbers.

cucumbers with a little cayenne pepper, salt and sprinkling of lemon juice.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I snack too much. I just ate my lunch, at 11:30. Which means I will probably be snacking later.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

i pretty much do nothing but snack. i don't like eating large meals.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

Odd. My favorite soup (canned category):
http://www.homegrocer.com/images/products/camp-cream-of-celery.jpg

You can cook with it, too, but why? Avoid the 99% fat free version, though. It has a creamy texture that's very mysterious considering there's no fat in it. It's like some kind of gelatin or olestra or something equally foul. I'll have the fat, plz.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

More power to you, Amanda, but cucumbers just seem too boring to me, even with dressings.

Nick, you should log on to Lastfm and put up a pic of us.
That site is funny. Is it related to audioscrobbler? Because there are all of these bands that supposedly sound like the fake f1ctions on there, but I think it's just because those are other bands Nick listens to alot - like Jon Brion.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'm not really much of a snacker, either. Or a dessert-eater. But it's not like I'm always Mr. Healthy at meal-time, so it's just as well.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

That site is funny. Is it related to audioscrobbler?

Yeah, it used to be that Last.fm was the streaming radio station component of Audioscrobbler, but for all practical purposes it's all the same thing now, just called Last.fm.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

i snack. i'm a grazer. i eat throughout the day. i just don't eat clif bars or luna bars much anymore b/c i mostly ate them for the protein & now i eat soy nuts or cottage cheese b/c the caloric intake is less. i'm on a "health kick" & trying to lose inches. particularly after realizing i have big ass hips. nothin' like a stupid number to make you feel more focused. although, that didn't stop me from eating pie yesterday. i like to keep it real.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

i also get really sluggish if i eat a large meal all at once. i'm about to eat my largest meal of my workday: a tofurkey sandwich. the rest of the lunch i brought will be scattered throughout the day.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

I was Ms. Healthy all yesterday until I got a sweet tooth last night. Then we didn't have any ok-for-you desserts, like those fruit popsycles we just finished off the other night, so Nick and I brainstormed and ended up eating frosting from the can (from the back of the fridge)!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

actually, sometimes i eat larger breakfasts. but usually only b/c i'm combining the protein shake i drink after i lift & the cereal (or once in a while, a bagel) i'll eat once i get to work. sometimes after lifting & the bike ride, i am STARVING.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

I think we've discussed cucumbers before. I swear by 'em. Can't do without 'em. A hot dog from Byron's comes with a whole damn salad on top, including lettuce, a buttload of tomato, huge cucumber slices, bell pepper, chopped onions and chopped celery and of course celery salt. Who needs meat when you've got all that? That's what a hot dog should be -- smothered. You don't really want to taste that nasty weiner, do you?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

ended up eating frosting from the can (from the back of the fridge)

That so rules. It sounds... romantic, actually.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Sarah I uploaded a pic but they have some dumb thing where people have to vote to add it. I think they need like 10 votes or something. Dumb.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

I'll vote for you if you vote for me.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

i'll vote. where do i do it?

i bought some baby cucumbers at tj's last night. i'm throwing some on my sandwich. we'll see if they're as good as adult cukes.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I wish I had something fun to do at lunch today. I will probably just sit outside and read, like I normally do.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, vote for Canasta, too!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

part of what i like about cukes is that they're resilient. they're rarely rotten. that's a good quality in a vegetable.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

In your 'Top Artists - Overall', Jaymc, I'm next to Snoop Dogg and Joanna Newsom. I like that.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Ha!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I like that album cover! When you were describing it, that's not how I imagined it at all; I was thinking more of a photo of a darkened stage with a thick green curtain. But the actual image is a lot better than what I was imagining.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

New Snoop Dog (feat. Joanna Newsom): "Bitchez & Balloonz"

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

i can't get the newer last fm to work for me, it is peeving me.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

That cover would look really nice on a RECORD cover. Big.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I can't see the album art, jaymc. :-( Would I need a login?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, Sarah. You might.

Thanks, Nick, I like it, too. Originally I was annoyed because the album title was supposed to be in black text, like the artist name, instead of red text -- but I am getting used to it now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

http://83.142.226.211/proposedimages/original/6/6634382/20818.jpg

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

nice!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

eric: hahahahaha!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Who designed it?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Brand0n Durh@m.

Who is Last.fm user "msfj"? This person voted on the Canasta image and is also in the ILXor group.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Mister Sasha?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

I know, right?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Hey, speaking of photos, I've got one (and here's where I try tagging for the first time here hope i do it right) [url=http://dragcity.com/bands/frost.html]here.[/url]

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

(see, i knew i'd mess it up!)

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

http://dragcity.com/bands/frost02.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

Two ways to post photos:

http://www.url.com/pic.jpg" >

(without the spaces next to the angle brackets)

just put an "i" before the URL: ihttp://www.url.com/pic.jpg

In either case, though, the URL has to be the photo itself (the jpg) rather than just the site URL.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Eazy, if you can make the Joanna Newsom/Snoop Dogg collaboration happen, I will give you ONE MILLION DOLLARS and my first born (or my second or third born, whicever).

part of what i like about cukes is that they're resilient. they're rarely rotten.

But when they do, they ROT BIG TIME. Often, it seems, in the far reaches of my fridge.

― Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

J., How do I do it with a link like you did with the lastfm link? That's what I was trying to do...

I'll do my best, Markelby -- I wanna make it happen.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

All Marshall Fields to be renamed as Macys by Fall 2006.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

for that, you do < a href= "whatever the url is"> (text you want visible) < /a>

only without the spaces after the brackets

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Oh, in that case it's

< a href="http://www.url.com">BLAH BLAH< /a>

(again, delete spaces next to angle brackets)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

just put an "i" before the URL: ihttp://www.url.com/pic.jpg

That won't work anymore.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

should i start a separate thread to discuss possible FAPPING while I am in town? or do it here?

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

That won't work anymore.

It works for me all the time. It worked when I posted Eric's photo of Edith.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

The only time I use IMG SRC is when I fear an image may be too big, or if I want to resize it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Marshall Field's Nameplate Conversion
All Marshall Field's stores will convert to the Macy's nameplate in fall 2006. This includes 62 locations in Michigan, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, Indiana, Ohio and South Dakota that will continue to be operated by the Minneapolis-based division that will become known as Macy's North.
"From a shopping standpoint, customers will have the best of both worlds in major markets like Chicago, Minneapolis and Detroit. They will continue to benefit from regional buying that remains attuned to local preferences and lifestyles, plus enjoy the distinctive merchandise and shopping experience that's part of the Macy's brand," Lundgren said.

"We have great respect for the legacy and traditions of Marshall Field's, and we carefully researched customer preferences and studied alternatives before making this decision to incorporate Marshall Field's into the nationwide Macy's brand," Lundgren said. "While the store's name will change, much of what customers love will stay the same, including Marshall Field's traditions and its outstanding record of community and charitable giving. As part of this name change process, we will do everything we can to honor the Marshall Field's heritage, particularly in its Chicago birthplace."

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

That totally sucks.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

my mom sells shoes at one of the stores, she sent me an e-mail about it. she's rather upset about it!

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I mean, first Comiskey, now this. Next we'll be calling the Sears Tower the British Petroleum building or something.

(Well, we won't, actually. I wasn't even here when Aon Center was called the Amoco Building, and even I call it that.)

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

And it's not even the brand that's important, it's the name of one of Chicago's best-known godlike awesome-force-of-raw-capitalism robber barons! Marshall Field is a historical figure, yo!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that does make me sad. Fuck a Macy's.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I'd accept it if they changed the name to William H. Macy's. http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/0211/WMacy.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

some of my earliest memories involve christmas shopping at the marshall field's on state street during the heart of winter. what bastards, i hope daley pulls some sort of weird dem-machine mojo and stops this.

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

We should picket!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

doesn't new york have enough? why does it have to eat chicago?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

It just seems like a bonehead business move. Macy's obv. doesn't understand Chicago's attachment to names, this one in particular. It seems out of touch and cold and people are not going to like this one little bit.

And if they own it anyway, why bother changing the name? This will lose them more business than it could ever gain them in branding.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

true. I've gotta believe there will be protests!

― gear (gear), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

That makes me kind of sad.

I'm feeling kind of full of class angst right now, but not because of that. At lunch, one of my coworkers asked, "Hmm... Where do you guys think my husband and I should go on our next vacation?" So then everyone started talking about their favorite resorts/countries. And I was fucking amazed at how many places these women have been and they are just a handful of years older than I am.

When I'm in..., I always stay at the ...
Whatever you do, don't leave the resort. They tell you that for a reason. The rest of the island is ugly & dangerous & ick...

At some point during lunch, someone mentioned Memphis, but I don't remember why. I said, "Oh, my mom is moving there!" And CIH was like, "WHAT?! She's MOVING There??! WHY?!!" grrr And then she said, "Where is she moving from then??" I said, outside of Richmond, VA. "Oh,... I see..."

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Memphis is awesome. She should suck a tailpipe.

Now if she had been shocked about someone moving to, say, Houston, I could understand.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

true. I've gotta believe there will be protests!

I'd write an angry letter, but I wouldn't know who to send it to.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Send it to me! I never get real mail any more! But seriously, there's got to be a petition online somewhere already, right?

I've never been to Memphis, but neither has my coworker. I do know it is a relatively cheap city though, seeing as how my mom might buy a house there.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Kels and I have a friend who lives in Memphis. I think he likes it. Seriously, though, CIH (I forget what this acronym stands for?) should realize that people in New York are probably laughing at all the provincial Midwestern folk in Chicago.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

She has made pre-emptive strikes on New Yorkers just in case.

CIH= Coworker I Hate
A new nickname would be nice. Every time I type CIH, I try to pronounce it in my head, which is annoying.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

xpost Well, every city has its institutions, and Marshall Fields is one of ours. It's been in more of less the same place in the middle of the city for 140 years. It was Marshall Field's idea to have the el trains "loop" around downtown (because he wanted people to have to get on and off in front of his store). You can't just change the name of Marshall Fields. You can't! It's like changing the name of The Wrigley Building! It's a bloody stupid thing to do! And besides, there's no dignity in shopping at Macy's. There are Macy's everywhere.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

should realize that people in New York are probably laughing at all the provincial Midwestern folk in Chicago.
Did people laugh at us when you were in New York? The perceived supremacy of New Yorkers galls me.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Hey, in Minnesota we grew up with Dayton's, part of Dayton Hudson (the Hudson being the Hudson Bay Trading Co. -- centuries old!), and it was pretty shocking there 10 years ago when the old venerable downtown department store changed its name to Marshall Fields.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

No, no one laughed, but you do pick up a whiff of it every so often.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I'd sign an online petition to keep the name. Seems stupid to rebrand it for all the reasons y'all are listing. The Marshall Field's logo (?) is way better anyway--I am proud of some vintage clothes I own with their label sewn in, hearkens back to more genteel days of shopping. Macy's can suck it.

Has Carson Pirie Scott changed its name?
xpost

― sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Soon all restaurants are going to be Taco Bell.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

L.S. Ayres (an Indianapolis institution, now part of May company too) is changing its name to Famous-Barr here. Boo. I think it's all part of the Macy's buy-out.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Has Carson Pirie Scott changed its name?
Nope.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Not yet. I would say that the Carson Pirie Scott building will never change, seeing as how its name is so closely tied to the building and the fabulous Louis Sullivan facade and decoration and all that, but the same thing is true of Marshall Field's, so I guess there's no guarantees.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, CPS is now owned by Saks.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

eric, i shopped at "hudson's" as a kid. i didn't realize it was part of a larger chain of stores with similar names till i was older. it was always "the fancy store."

sarah, you tell stories of the most god awful co-workers. i don't know how you do it sometimes! you're a better person than i.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Mailing address to complain about Marshall Fields name change on Chicagoist.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Oh, there's a link to an online petition on there too.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

memphis is a fun city. i was just blathering on to someone about the martin luther king museum there the other day...

Whatever you do, don't leave the resort. They tell you that for a reason. The rest of the island is ugly & dangerous & ick...

such people should be strangled.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

It's always kind of baffled me why people go to a resort in a particular place and then don't leave the resort at all. Like, if you're going to a resort in Jamaica, and you don't see anything of Jamaica, what's the point of the resort even being in Jamaica? You could go to like Florida or Mexico or whatever...I dunno. I haven't been on many vacations though, and never to a resort.

― sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

i have hardly been anywhere. i attribute it to poverty, and laziness.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I've been to Trinidad & Tobago in the Carribean (summer 93), but I didn't see any of the resorts because I stayed with my friend's family who were - oh no! - natives. I slept in sandy beds, 5 or so kids to a room. The doors and windows were uncovered. The shower was outside, but most people bathed in the ocean. I survived a horrible hurricane while I was there. It was a very relaxed vacation (minus said hurricane), almost a month long, but I didn't feel like bringing it up to my coworkers.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

i was at a resort ONCE in mexico, with my family. and golly! we went off of it . . . EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

i've never been to a resort and don't care to start now.

is it really only tuesday? is this the slowest week ever?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Guys, don't click on the ILX: The Book thread whatever you do. I'm scared IT is going to show up at my desk now. (it's an@l pron stuff)

― joc, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

me too! i'm sitting here totally horrified.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

am i right to assume it's NSFW?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

SO NOT SAFE.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

NOT SAFE! I clicked on it too. It filled up my entire screen.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Mine too. And I don't think I'm going to forget it anytime soon either. BLECHHH.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

They must have this sex-on-Tuesdays discussion rule too.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Fortunately, I did not give it enough time for my eyes to really focus on anything.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Now it's a cute wittle bunny wabbit! Awwww!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Much better than a fist in the ass, I think.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

good thing i have images hidden!!

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if I should believe you.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

That was to Kenan.

I have my images hidden too, but I clicked on the link.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

No, it's true. A mod changed it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

THANK YOU MODERATORS, YOU ARE SPECIAL AND WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

YES!!! THANK YOU!!! CUTE BUNNY!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

(as though all caps will draw their attention, but whatever).

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, for a second there I was following the old TRUST NO ONE motto, but then I remembered that was sooo 10 years ago.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

it's a v cute bunny. i'm so glad i didn't see the original pic.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

http://go.kvasir.sol.no/ek/http:/www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/banks/122/msxfiles.jpg

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

you are SO glad you didn't see the original picture.

i have a question for you-all - do you think people still understand the phrase "throw me in the briar patch"?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't. Any relation to Briar Rabbit?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

Brown Bunny?

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

I totally agree with Kenan about changing Marshall Field's to Macy's for all the same reasons, and I will add that I get a real dorky kick out of shopping at Marshall Field's because I feel like I'm sort of communing with Chicago's past. (Granted a past that would not allow immigrant women to shop at the same store that I am getting such a dorky kick out of but anyway...) And because Marshall Field's is a very Chicago-specific store that makes me think of Chicago, there's something special about shopping there. I mean, there's a fucking Macy's in the DOVER MALL in Delaware. That's not special! That's hours of boring school shopping during which my grandmother tries to buy me appliqued sweaters and embroidered jumpers.

Also, I have a Marshall Field's card, and I like that. I do not want a "Macy's" card. That doesn't signify my Chicago residence in the same way.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

I think it's Brer Rabbit, but I also seem to recall a briar patch playing an integral role in one of those Uncle Remus tales. I didn't know "throw me in the briar patch" was a common expression, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Hey guys. I had to get up early today, put on a suit, and go to our stupid user's group meeting all morning. Lame. I looked great, mind you, but the whole morning was spent sweating in a dark, crowded movie theater. The only highlight was a slice of steak & fries pizza from Ian's afterwards.

I miss all the orgy discussions.

(and all the orgies)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Briar patch - it comes from the Brer Rabbit stories. The rabbit tricks a fox into throwing him into the briar patch by acting like it would be the worst thing in the world when in reality, the rabbit totally lived in the briar patch and that's just where he wanted to go! It's a reverse psychology thing, as if someone were to say to Amanda, "If you don't quit surfing on ILX, I'm going to send you home with pay." Amanda could say, "Oh, Brer Fox! Don't throw me in the Brian Patch!"

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Yeah -- briar/bre'er rabbit -- I remember it from Song of the South, which I saw when I was very young. I don't think that movie is available and I don't think people really remember that, but it's a useful little phrase to say when someone wants you to do something they think you find abhorrent but that you secretly like.

Remove the clog from the bathroom sink? Throw me in the briar patch.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

I also secretly want to be thrown into the Brian Patch.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Brer Rabbit says please don't throw me in the briar patch, but it's reverse psychology, because he grew up in the briar patch and so is not affected by the brambles.
xpost

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

I remember a part in that movie where a little boy is gored by a bull. It was terrifying. For some reason (gee, I wonder why) that NSFW picture reminded me of this whole thing.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I don't think that movie is available

Oh no. It certainly isn't. No movie with a character named "tarbaby" gets much play anymore. Those were different times.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) Will Disney ever release Song of the South on DVD/video, or is it still considered too politically incorrect? I think I had some sort of book-on-tape version of it, I want to say.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Amanda, I have some plumbing you can do. Our tub gets clogged all the time . . .

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I loved it as a kid, before I knew what the words "racist caricature" meant.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

You guys I am so bored. And then I start to feel guilty about not doing any work, especially with a performance eval tomorrow, but then I remember I don't really HAVE any work to do, and the work I do have I should save until tomorrow when my boss is here so that I look busy and useful.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

i only remember seeing that movie a little bit.

my grandma used to read me little black sambo, though. it was one of my favorite stories. i stupidly still don't understand the racial connotations of it though.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I don't remember seeing Song of the South, but I do remember reading Little Black Sambo a bunch of times. Also these English kids books about a puppet named Noddy, which had evil golliwogs in them (essentially black stereotypes).

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I am so glad I did not see that picture. And so is everybody sitting behind me in class.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure about Little Black Sambo either, actually, though I think maybe "sambo" itself was a derogatory term? Is that the problem?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

The problem, Nick, is this:

http://instruct.westvalley.edu/kelly/Distance_Learning/Images/17B_L02/sambo.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Ah! Nick! I was just going to say that I'd never seen Song of the South, but I read the books, and I had Little Black Sambo as well. My progressive parents who would not let me have gender-tracked toys (no kitchen sets, toy vacuums, etc.) were more short-sighted when it came to racism, it seems.

xpost: Yeah, I think "Sambo" either was already a racist term or the book, by calling the kid "Little BLACK Sambo" made it into a racist term.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Ooowee! He sho nuff done got him some watermelon! That boy gon eat the rind, too! He sho do love watermelon!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

One of my earliest memories is of seeing a restaurant chain in California called Sambo's -- it was kind of like Denny's or Bakers Square. I think the name is only derogatory in the way that Aunt Jamimah is.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

I had a record with Zip-a-Dee-Do-Dah on it, and I was just thinking about this Song of the South re-release issue the other day. There also used to be a chain of restaurants called Sambo's, with the stereotypical black child as its mascot. So I think Sambo itself is a derogitory term.

― Joce, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) Sambo only became a derogatory term as a result of the book, I believe. I think the racist qualities had more to do with the illustrations in the original version than in the content -- but I don't know, I've never read it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

my book, as i remember, didn't have racist pictures in it like the one kenan posted. he was just a normal-looking boy.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Actually, here is a really good article about the pickaninny caricature in general, with specific mention of Little Black Sambo.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I am confused as to why a GIS on "sambo" turns up this. Not safe for work, exactly, but not anal fisting, either.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

I don't think Kenan's pic is from the actual book.

The Noddy books were by Enid Blyton! Huh! But there seem to be no pictures of the golliwogs from the Noddy books online, mysterious!

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

i just found this:

Sambo \Sam"bo\, n. [Sp. zambo, sambo.]
A colloquial or humorous appellation for a negro; sometimes,
the offspring of a black person and a mulatto; a zambo.

Sambo \Sam"bo\, n. [Sp. zambo bandy-legged, the child of a negro
and an Indian; prob. of African origin.]
1. A negro; sometimes, the offspring of a black person and a
mulatto. [Colloq. or Humorous]

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

I vague remember the kid in my book wearing a turban?

The story, as I recall, is that somehow Sambo tricked a tiger into running around a tree so fast that he turned himself into butter.

That's really weird. No wonder I took drugs later in life.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

i'm surprised by how much i remember about that movie -- and there was a girl in my gradeschool, the class pariah, who would sing "Zip a Dee Doo Dah" almost every day. every day was NOT a wonderful day for her, but she sang it anyway.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh I found a little one:
http://www.mygrannysatticantiques.com/assets/images/noddy_inside_page.jpg

Sorry I keep posting about Noddy, I'm sure no one else knows what I'm talking about.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

Me too. Isn't Zippidee Do Da in that one? xpost

I used to eat the best pancakes ever at a restaurant called Little Black Sambo's with my grandmother. They had murals of the pictures from the book all over the walls and the story was on the menu. Remember? The tigers turn into butter and they make pancakes with them?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

How did watermelon become a black thing? Seems like that would be the kind of thing that would cut across racial barriers. Large, sweet, delicious fruit. Maybe someone on the internet can explain it to me.

I want some watermelon.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

We are learning a lot about life on the Chicago ILX thread today.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

It was three tigers I think. They are circling the tree Sambo has climbed up and they run so fast in a circle that they melt into butter.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

A propos of nothing, I realized on my lunch hour that "Bitchez and Balloonz" would probably be about Snoop's views on contraception.

I love "Zip a Dee Doo Dah" -- the first part, then "Mister bluebird on my shoulder..." and then back to the rousing chorus. That song sets the standard for sing-along choruses.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

You can learn more about golliwogs here.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

That's it! Thanks, Sarah. I stand by my original statement that the underlying plot of that book is weird. And probably led more than one child to assume that fast, repetitive motion would turn a living creature into butter.

Also: Can vegetarians eat pancakes made from butter made from tigers who ran really fast around a tree?

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

It's sort of weird to me that all of you grew up with Little Black Sambo. I thought it had been pretty much banished by the time we all came of age. I don't think I learned about it until I saw that Marlon Riggs documentary Ethnic Notions (about African-American stereotypes) sometime in high school.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Also: would different animals turn into different condiments if they run really fast around a tree?
tiger : butter
lion : honey
yak : mustard
raccoon : sweet relish
parakeet : cilantro

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

A propos of nothing, I realized on my lunch hour that "Bitchez and Balloonz" would probably be about Snoop's views on contraception.

Awesome. I have a reggaeton remix of "Bridges and Balloons" that doesn't quite come off, but I appreciate the effort. A lot of it's just the Newsom song with a guy in the background shouting "REGGAETON!!"

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm older than most of you. My freshman year, there was a smoking court in my high school, accessible to students with parental permission!

Who was it that had the teacher who suggested that Chinese people bathed in soup? Jesse and I were talking about that last night and laughing and laughing.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Jaymc, I just realized that I'm going to be checking out my new potential digs right around the corner from the BK tonight, so if the price isn't too steep I'll stop by.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

I would like to think that if I ran really fast around a tree, I would turn into crab bisque.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

That would be such a cool superpower to have.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Or cool for me, since I love crab bisque.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

There's some story about Sarah telling her sister that all Chinese people went to the bathroom in one giant toilet, and they all lined up around the edge. Also they had super deep bathtubs and did water ballet in them.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

Who was it that had the teacher who suggested that Chinese people bathed in soup?

Me! Good old Sra. Rosa.

EZ: The price is ridiculously low: $6. That'd be cool if you stopped by. For those who haven't heard, we're playing a last-minute show with North Carolina's own Kingsbury Manx tonight at the Beat Kitchen.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand the watermelon connection with the "savage blacks." is it because no one can eat it without being messy? the chicken i can understand b/c you're picking flesh away from the bone & there's the drumstick factor. but watermelon? they mentioned watermelon at least three times in that article john linked to.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

hey, i remember them! i saw them a couple times when i lived in NC.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

not the "savage blacks" -- kingsbury manx!

yikes.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, maybe we should go to the show tonight...I feel like doing something FUN. Is this show a consolation for Squeezed being pre-empted?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

(xp) Yeah, I actually first heard about them from a guy I worked with a few years ago who was from Raleigh.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I don't even get the chicken, Kels. Why not... anything? Why not peanut butter? "No, seriously, you go into any black person's house, and you'll see a jar of peanut butter. It's true. They love that stuff." And then you think to yourself, "Yeah, that's true! Black people DO eat peanut butter!" etc.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Is this show a consolation for Squeezed being pre-empted?

I'm actually not sure how it all came together. I think K.M. were booked but then they couldn't find an opener in time?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

is it because no one can eat it without being messy?

Maybe it's more the 'lazy summer day' aspect of it. Blacks are always lying around, loafing, eating watermelon.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm only saying that I "get" the chicken b/c I'm thinking of how they serve it up at places like Medieval Times & it's crazy & gross & all hands & "savage" & "primal" & all those things that get tied up in the stereotypes.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

someone is going to find this thread, link it to me & think that i am such a fucking racist or something.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Now you're being paranoid.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

No tenure for Kelsey!

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Re watermelons and chicken. I just did a little research. Here's what I probably would've put forth (from the Snopes message board):

I'd guess that watermelons and chicken were simply two prevalent foods in the South (watermelons because they grow best in areas with long, hot summers, and chickens because they live just about anywhere and are fairly easy and cheap to raise) which required little or no preparation and were more readily available to persons with little money or freedom.

In any case, depicting a black (or any other person) eating fried chicken or watermelon is not in itself racist, since the consumption of neither of those foods has a strong negative connotation in our culture (as opposed to, say, depicting a person eating bugs or excrement). The problem is that stereotypical depictions of blacks consuming those foods were commonly used in conjunction with other racist images, so they are now inextricably linked.

But then there's also this, which I don't entirely understand:

I was looking at more than 150 prints of Levinthal's in my living room one day when my 13-year-old son came along and asked what I was doing. I showed him the pictures and explained that white people used to make these images to show that black people were inferior to them and to justify racism and segregation. I introduced him to Aunt Jemima and said that white racists wanted people to believe that all black women were fat and dressed in a white apron and a kerchief as a permanent fixture of white peoples kitchens. Black people were also represented as porters and shoeshine boys at train stations. Those who rebelled against these portrayals of themselves and their race were depicted as Rastus, uppity niggers and called "Zip Coons." When we got to the image that associated black people with watermelons, he asked, "Oh yeah, why are they always smiling like that, with those big red lips?" I told him that whites used to malign black people as watermelon and chicken thieves. They would say that during the night, when it was pitch dark, black people would go to the masters field to steal watermelons, or, like foxes, to the chicken coop to steal chickens. But supposedly, these black people were always betrayed by their white teeth and white eyes which shone in the dark like lightning. So they could not hide, even in the darkest of nights, even though they were so black. That was why their smiles were cut like slices of watermelon and they were considered, like chickens, to be cowards. My son laughed and remained pensive for a moment before resuming his mundane activities.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Apparently, Sambo's Restaurant's name was taken from part of the two owner's names put together. Then they used Little Black Sambo as the theme for the restaurant. There were over 1200 of them (a chain) across the US at one point.

I would bring my book of it (I'm pretty sure it was a Little Golden Book) with me to breakfast.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

(xp) (That's from a black cultural studies journal, btw.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

i was gonna say something about Southern cuisine, but there it is.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Of those two possible explanations I cited, I'm going with the one that obeys Occam's Razor.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Is it too late to make the theme for the final Squeezed "A Tribute to R. Kelly"? 'nasta could do "Step in the Name of Love".

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

One of my biggest disappointments in New York was that the private-room karaoke I participated in (with my fellow Stylus scribes) only had "Ignition" and not the "(Remix)."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

if that's your biggest disappointment, it must have been a hell of a good trip.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Does "private room karaoke" involve strippers?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

I pick you up from the club
Take you home to make some love
Got a surprise, close your eyes
I'm gonna cover you with suds
(instrumental breakdown)
I'ma give you some poo-poo
I'ma give you some pee-pee
I'ma give you some doo-doo
Wash it down with some wee-wee
This is the remix edition of the song about pissin'
I got that peein', leakin', freakin' and there's juice in the kitchen

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Only thing that make my life complete is when I turn your face into a toilet seat.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

(and on that note...)

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I really don't want to go to my Lady Doctor appointment tonight. :-( She makes me see her once every six months, but in VA I only had to see mine once a year. Is that a ripoff or standard for Chicago? Ladies, I'm talkin' to you.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Hey, Laaaadiiiiesss... Get Get Get Get Funky.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

if that's your biggest disappointment, it must have been a hell of a good trip.

I was being sarcastic. ;-)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

The first time I went to see her, I was really shocked because she started grabbing at my chest BEFORE she said, "This is the part of the exam where I grab at your chest."

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I don't know much about regional gynecological standards, but I use Nancy for my lady-needs.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Sarah, you should have slapped her across the face and said, "Well I never!"

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

i only go once a year.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

my old boss used to be a waitress at Sambo's and said there were tons of cockroaches and they'd always get in people's water glasses

eeew

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

Six months? That's like a dental check-up. [INSERT "HILARIOUS" VAGINA DENTATA JOKE HERE.]

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

sarah i suspect you are being ripped off

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Awesome.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

i don't think it's a matter of being "ripped off" so much as it is excessive caution on the part of your doctor.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Sarah, you're too young and healthy to necessitate going every six months for a checkup.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

I mean, unless your girl parts have been acting funny.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I've been to the gynie in 4 different states and they all have varying degrees of paranoia about cervical cancer. That's all I'm saying. I've been on the 12 and 6 month schedule -- it never seemed like a huge deal.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

My feeling is that unless your doctor has specific reasons for a biannual exam, there isn't much need for it. That seems to be the popular opinion, anyway.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Right -- what she said.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

The last time I went, there was a very very young couple in the waiting room with me. The woman had to be about 8 months pregnant. She and her bf/hubbie yelled at each other the entire time I was sitting there. I mean, YELLED. It was not pleasant.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

The upside to this place is that it is basically right next door to my apartment (ie: across from Resurrection) and it usually doesn't take very long.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

I just like to complain about everything. :-D

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

She and her bf/hubbie yelled at each other the entire time I was sitting there. I mean, YELLED. It was not pleasant.

People are awesome.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Image burned in my brain for some reason: Woman pushing a stroller with a very young baby in it wearing a t-shirt that said "I Fucked Your Boyfriend." The joke just makes itself.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

I can imagine the fetus was already holding his tiny hands over his ears, thinking, "Why do Mommy and Daddy have to fight? Why can't they just love each other?"

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Wait. The mom was wearing the shirt? At first I thought the baby was wearing the shirt.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Wait, is the woman or the baby wearing the t-shirt?

xpost, ha

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

That modifier isn't the only thing that's dangling.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Er...

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

I had to go every six months for a few years because I kept getting abormal pap results, but after two good tests, I was allowed to go back to once a year, which is my current GYN visit frequency (for those of you keeping score at home). So yes, I would say that every six months absent some reason for the contrary is over-cautious per the current standard of care for patients with consitently normal pap results. (I busted out some med malpractice terminology there - hot!)

This kind in my class tried to pronounce OB-GYN as an actual word instead of the initials, like "obgine." I thought, "Haven't you ever had a girlfriend or a mother?"

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

They say it like that in some hospitals!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Med mal terminology but poor, poor spelling. Just like a real lawyer! Yee haw!

xpost: One year for Halloween I dressed up as a pregnant woman with two black eyes and mouth sores. I wore a Newport t-shirt and smoked 100s cigarettes and drank bourbon straight from the bottle all night.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

True enough. It is weird that we pronounce it as if it's an acronym, though, like NAACP.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Classy.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

They say it like that in some hospitals!

Really? I had no idea! Well, sorry anonymous classmate, for slandering your name and suggesting you can't date women and are an orphan.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Classy.

I know. What's worse is that my roommate, who worked at a shelter for battered women and their children, wore a variation of the same costume.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

Haha. I'm not saying that it's correct, but I have heard it said that way at at least one hospital that I've worked at (and thus I'm never sure how to say it...luckily, it doesn't come up in everyday conversation very much).

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Stay classy, Chicago.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

hey guys, im photographing some yuletide dish towels. COOL HUH?

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

A friend of mine once wanted to go dressed as a date rape victim (her) and a frat boy (me). I respectfully declined to be any part of that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and it was the mom wearing the shirt.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Well, Chicago, I'm out. (And you all know where I'm going, lucky you.)

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Have fun at the obgine! And have a nice week and weekend erbody!

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Have fun in Delaware!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

All this medical talk made me schedule an overdue teeth cleaning. Thanks.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

give my props to the DE

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

two chicago women leave, ilx chicago dies.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

It's all about the wymmens.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

or wimmin.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

I HAVE HAD A THRILLINGLY DULL DAY.
I think I will stop at Edmar on the way home and get some greens to cook for dinner. RECOMMEND ME SOME GREENS.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

"On ILX the women come and go, talking of gynecology."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

chard. collard. the swiss chard is lovely in season. kale is nice. all of the above can be cooked lovingly with sesame oil, seeds.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

NICK I WILL MATCH YOUR JAMES JOYCE JOKES WITH T.S. ELIOT JOKES. TAKE THAT.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. My greens always end up tough and oily. But Sarah's mom cooked some when she was here and I think I picked up a trick or two.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0002OERI0.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/rbs/pub/may02/light.jpg
http://www.qsl.net/w5www/dollarbill.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

The highlight of my day has been receiving this MONSTROUS LASER PRINTER and struggling to hook it up even though there were no USB or LAN cables in the box. WTF? But there was a spare something or other, so I got it going, and glowed with satisfaction in my accomplishment.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Mustard is the greatest of all the greens.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

John I have no idea what you're talking about but I probably don't have enough Eliot knowledge to catch whatever reference you made. My knowledge of poetry is pathetically meagre. So yeah, feel free to recommend some poetry you think I might like. Anyone.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Basho.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

I didn't catch the Joyce reference, but then I've barely read any Joyce. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Ovid.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Another Tuesday, missing free Dan Flavin again.

Nick, you would like poems by: Charles Simic, August Kleinzahler, maybe C.K. Williams, maybe Steven Dobyns. Simic's your man to start with, though.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Jordan, you are missing a picture up there of something dear to your heart.
I am trying to decide what I want for dinner. I have a choice between
a) green salad with crumbled Gardenburger on top (possibly have to make dressing for it)
b) Omelette w/ chive and canadian bacon (possibly a little sodium heavy)
Dieting is so much fun.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Country Fair
Charles Simic
for Hayden Carruth

If you didn't see the six-legged dog,
It doesn't matter.
We did, and he mostly lay in the corner.
As for the extra legs,

One got used to them quickly
And thought of other things.
Like, what a cold, dark night
To be out at the fair.

Then the keeper threw a stick
And the dog went after it
On four legs, the other two flapping behind,
Which made one girl shriek with laughter.

She was drunk and so was the man
Who kept kissing her neck.
The dog got the stick and looked back at us.
And that was the whole show.

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

The Joyce reference was on the silly Clap Your Hands Say Yeah thread on ILM.

xpost I do like that poem!

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I don't really understand poetry, but I think I could appreciate and enjoy it.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah Jocelyn, that!

http://www.madolan.com/engagement/MHSmaddie.jpg

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

(mmmm, Greene)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Ah. I was going to ask if that's her last name.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

n/a if you get Nabokov and Joyce you can get poetry.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, the Eliot ref. is from "The Wasteland": "In the room the women come and go, talking of Michelangelo." I actually wouldn't have caught your Joyce reference a year or two, though: I mostly know it now from the "all yessed out" thread.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

i agree, you'd like simic. i think you might also like tony hoaglund. he's wonderful. check out "donkey gospel" (book) before his others. pedro pietri, naomi shihab nye, and robert hass are poets of varying subject/style that you might like.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

That's from The Lovesong of J Alfred Prufrock, jaymc.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

I looked at the Clap thread and I still don't get it (nb I've only read Portrait, not Ulysses).

(I did get the Eliot reference though!)

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

That's from The Lovesong of J Alfred Prufrock, jaymc.

D'oh. I don't actually know anything.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Neither do I.

Except that.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Derek Wolcott is also very good.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Nick, I very much enjoyed your Joyce reference, and want you to know that I don't feel you got the recognition you deserved.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

The last line of Ulysses is pretty famous: "...yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes."

I don't think I "understand" Joyce though.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

And I know I can understand poetry, I just feel like I would have a lot of catching up to do, figuring out structure, meter, all that stuff. I guess I just have to start with instinct and figure out all the technical stuff later.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

That's a really fantastic line. This is probably sacrilege, but it reminds me of Cummings, who is sometimes my favorite poet.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

I just feel like I would have a lot of catching up to do, figuring out structure, meter, all that stuff.

Why? I mean, sometimes it's neat if you realize a poem is a sonnet or whatever, but it should be able to appreciated without this knowledge or consideration, too.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I ever finished Ulysses. I should pick it up again. A lot of people on ILBooks recommend just picking it up and reading random parts and enjoying the language, not so much trying to figure out what's going on.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

cummings is a longtime favorite of mine, as well. And his books make great gifts for sweethearts, since he's all sweet and dirty and stuff.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Maybe with something like a sestina it would be good to know something about the form, so you're not like, "whatever, he just keeps repeating the same word" -- but in most cases, I think this stuff is easily surmountable.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

And his books make great gifts for sweethearts, since he's all sweet and dirty and stuff.

Yeah! He's dirty in a really sweet, innocent way.

I can still vividly hear a recording of him reading "anyone lived in a pretty how town, with up so many bells floating down" with this high, cracking voice. I used to imitate it.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Here's some cummings:

since feeling is first
who pays any attention
to the syntax of things
will never wholly kiss you;

wholly to be a fool
while Spring is in the world

my blood approves,
and kisses are a better fate
than wisdom
lady i swear by all flowers. Don't cry
- the best gesture of my brain is less than
your eyelids' flutter which says

we are for each other; then
laugh, leaning back in my arms
for life's not a paragraph

And death i think is no parenthesis

― Eazy (Eazy), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

Good one!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

i like my body when it is with your
body. It is so quite a new thing.
Muscles better and nerves more.
i like your body. i like what it does,
i like its hows. i like to feel the spine
of your body and its bones, and the trembling
-firm-smooth ness and which i will
again and again and again
kiss, i like kissing this and that of you,
i like,, slowly stroking the, shocking fuzz
of your electric fur, and what-is-it comes
over parting flesh....And eyes big love-crumbs,

and possibly i like the thrill

of under me you quite so new

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

I just skimmed the last few days' worth of posts and I like that Nick is all talking about ILBooks behind our backs. Also something about orgies?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

ILB needs more orgies.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

I thought I pulled orgies out of nowhere, but now I realize it was zeitgeist.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

I really don't care about the name change of Marshall Field's. It has little positive connatations for me, and I haven't live here long enough for it to become a part of my life that I actually care about. They should change it to Beelzbobdumpypoo.

xtimesmillionpost.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

I know it's all corporate and blah de blah, and Marshall Field was not the best of human beings exactly. The way he cowered in the face of the workers' movement is particularly noteworthy, although it's also worth remembering that these were times in which the only two choices were thought to be naked capitalism or rabid anarchy. Of course he opposed anarchy. He liked money. But he was a major player in the history of this city, and this city was a major player in the history of capitalism as a whole, and he is in his own cowardly, money-grubbing way an important man to preserve the legacy of, even if it's only in the form of a department store. ESPECIALLY if it's in the form of a department store, since that's what he did better than anyone else. He invented the upscale department store. That may not seem like much of a legacy, but really it is. And he's a Chicago heavy hitter. In a city that's proud of its gangsters and its most corrupt politicians, Marshall Field was almost a saint by comparison.

And he has a very beautiful statue over his grave in Graceland Cemetery.

http://giganticmag.com/photos/04_016_224.jpg

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm gunna go pee on it.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Also, it would be all kinds of awesome if the Field Museum became a Macy's too.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

Actually, I'm furious about it. We natives know damn well what it means. It's just New Jerk playing its little identity games again....no one can have anything of their own, it's all got to be conform to their 'standards'. This has been going on for a century and a half. I suppose we should be grateful that they're just changing a name, instead of burning down the city or something...

― kidnapping and blackmail (dymaxia), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

And another thing...they said a couple of weeks ago that they were NOT going to change it.

I also saw someone elsewhere say that no one goes to Field's at the suburban mall anymore....not true - there is a very nice Field's in River Oaks, and it's the main supplier for nicer clothes, shoes, etc. in that area. Of course, mostly black folks shop there. I guess black folks shopping at Fields is unheard of back east...

― kidnapping and blackmail (dymaxia), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

Good morning, Chicago.

I'm never going to see that lady doctor again. She didn't even give me a gown this time! I got a small paper sheet to "cover up." And for the chest exam, she just unhooked my bra and stuck her hands in my shirt. ICK! Not to mention, I had to wait an hour for my appointment. Then she said I've lost too much weight and that I need to gain over 15 pounds.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

good morning sarah. we watched Blow Up last night and I found the celebrity you look like! Vanessa Redgrave!
http://gfx.filmweb.pl/p/2632/po.77512.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

Also: sounds like you need a new gynie. I need one too, so if you find a good one, lemme know.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

you seriously need a new doctor. that sounds downright unprofessional.

chicago women's healthcare is awesome. they take some insurance. i like my PCP enough to make her my ob/gyn.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Kelsey, Would you mind emailing me where you go? I don't mind driving out of my way. I mean, this doc has entirely too many patients/appointments crammed into a day. She said I don't need a pap until next month, would I want it now? Yeah, duh, I don't want to come back here next month. So then she was annoyed because she has so many people waiting, so as soon a she is half-way out of the door she says, "Oh, Jesus." I don't want an angry hates-her-job/life doctor down there.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I love those poems upthread, by the way. I may be tempted to enjoy poetry yet.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

sarah, i just emailed you!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

thanks

Oh, no! I'm killing the thread!

With regards to Marshall Fields, I am protective of Chicago because it has become my self-chosen home. True, I've only been here since the tail end of December '03, but this is the city that won my heart after visiting a whole bunch of cities on my quest (with my bf) to find THE PLACE. I would hate to think that the city I was born in had to be my real home. I don't even know anyone there any more. My family has spread out all over the place. I do have a soft place in my heart for Virginia in general, but anyway...

jbdules, Are you free tomorrow night?
kelsey, Are you free Sunday afternoon?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

i'm still here. you guys remember how i was doing my student teaching at truman? well last night i had an interview and i'm officially on their roster now. yay! i don't officially have a job there YET but this is the first step to that happening. i have to sub for a while until a position opens up. i'm pretty excited about this.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to give a shout-out to Stanley's Produce. Cheap organic fruits and veggies. I am eating a plum and I have an avocado for lunch.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else like pluots?

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

CONGRATS TO AMANDA

I don't eat bastard fruits

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I am against miscegenation of fruit

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

I favor the PURE FRUIT RACE

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

I know it's kind of "modern" to some folks.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

(I have never tried pluots)

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if those square watermelons are any good

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Is there a stereotype that nerdy black people like square watermelons?

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

This is my very first small success in a steady parade of career failures, so I'm happy about it. Anything that makes this unpleasant combination of working full time + going to school worth my while is worth celebrating. Maybe I'll get a special lunch today.

All fruits are good -- why you people gotta DISCRIMINATE?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Pluots take two fruits that are OK on their own, plums and apricots, and blend them together to make oh oh oh

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

I had one of those grapples and it was nasty.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Are avocados fruits?

I just dumped about 1/4 glass of water on my lap. I was thirsty and didn't take the time to pay attention to what I was trying to do.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I love pluots!! And I think that avocados are fruits.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Avocados are fruits because they have seeds.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I think?

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Avocados are a gift from the gods. But grapples are apples injected with artificial flavoring and end up tasting like grape bubble-gum.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Do they pick them with a grappling hook?

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm ready for lunch now. Whenever we have a lot of fresh produce, I just want to eat it all up. Then we don't have any more. It is a vicious cycle.

I paper toweled off my skirt, but I just realized there is a puddle of water under my chair. ha ha

Nick, I don't think that's how it works. I mean, squash has seeds...

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Chicago, it looks pretty outside. Is it? I will step out the front door and then give you an update. Here I go...

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

No clouds.
Very sunny.
Fairly hot.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

i need to use my lunch time to complete the scuba certification test i failed to finish in TWO HOURS last night. the dive tables are killing me, i tell ya.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

I started filling out the FAFSA online yesterday. That was fun.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Actually it was a little bit fun. But I haven't gotten to the hard part yet.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Are you going back to school?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Mmmmmmmaybe.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah? Are you ready to reveal your potential course of study?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Wow. Guess not.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Too hot today

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Jeff- You're the only one who might care about this, but I got a present in the mail from my friend Dave in Ohio and it was a vinyl copy of live GBV "For All Good Kids" -- do you have that? I had a cassette copy a long time ago and I was thrilled to finally get a proper record. Yesterday was a good day. Today it's too hot.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Nickideedoda Nickideeday has to play it cool today because his review is this afternoon. He's thinking of going back to school in journalism, or something along those lines.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Oh! The review. That makes sense.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Where's Jaymc? I pitched 'Bitchez and Balloonz' to him last night at the 'nasta show: loop the opening plucks, keep the chorus, add Snoop. That motherf'er is probably meeting with Jimmy Iovine as we speak.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Right here!

The entire computer network in my office has been very sporadic in the new building this week, so I just got online now.

I bought some pluots about a month ago. I only ate one. It was just okay. Produce goes to waste in my house too often.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

how was your show last night?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Good, I think, though sparsely attended, which makes it hard to tell sometimes. Also, I was really tired.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

You guys have gotten a lot of talking done this morning, while I was busy oversleeping by almost an hour.

Morning, peeps.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

Did you get an earful from the boss?

Jaymc, you had very short notice for the show, so I wouldn't take the crowd size as any indication of how well you played.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Plus, it was a TUESDAY NIGHT.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

Did you get an earful from the boss?

Not really. He's kinda light on such things. Which is weird.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc, also, I need to say lots of comforting things since I was one of the people who could have made the crowd bigger - by one - but didn't. :-D And you know I likes me some Canassta.

Anyway, when will you guys have girl style T's? That's the ticket!

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Wow. I just glanced at the new answers page. Girlfriends sure be losin' lots of shit up in here.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Oh no no no, I didn't expect very many people to come! I'm fine with that! I just mean that when there's more people there, it's easier to have a sense of whether it was a good show or not, because you're feeding off the crowd's energy and stuff.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, when will you guys have girl style T's? That's the ticket!

Soon! (I think.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

For All Good Kids.

Yeah, I actually don't have this one. I have a ton of vinyl bootlegs, and I honestly can't remember exactly everything gbv related that I have. I stopped trying to be a completist 2 or 3 years ago.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i'm definitely not a completist.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Oooohhhh, I see, John.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

I've always craved an original Propeller though. Never had the $400 to $1000 to spend on it though.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

fuck. i think someone is making fraudulent charges through my debit card. i just called my bank & there's about $180 i can't account for. hi. i think i'd remember if i put $100 through paypal.
jesus.
but i can't do anything about it until tomorrow since it needs to officially "post" & it hasn't done that yet. i don't know what to do. take out $20 & put a freeze on my card?! yikes.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

yikes! that's scary! i don't know what to do. you should ask someone at the bank.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

he was helpful until he told me i was qualified for their credit card.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

NICK: Look what's on today's Stycast.

(I was tipped off to this the other day but forgot to mention it to you.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I'd also like my favorite bootleg ever Crying your Knife away on vinyl, I have it on cd.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what your bank is like, but when I bank online (N0rth community), there is a little hour glass I can click on next to each transaction that says where the money went. So, when I'm like WTF?! I don't remember spending $27.80 on anything this weekend! I can click on it and it will tell me I spent that at Earwax or whereever. Then I sigh and breathe again.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Awesome! What's stycast?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

It's a series of podcasts (remember the great podcast debate of a couple weeks ago?) put together by some of the writers on Stylus.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

I'd also like my favorite bootleg ever Crying your Knife away on vinyl, I have it on cd.
that's the other one i want! i have a cassette copy of that too and it's insufficient. that one's goo-oo-oo-d.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

You guys are cute. So so dorky. I just want to pinch your little indie cheeks.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

jaymc, Is that your pocast today?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

No, it's Mike P0well. He was in a band called VHS and th3 Babi3s, who played with the Id a couple of times.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm having the same problem as Sarah. Unfortunately, I can't bank online, since my social security number was altered without my permission. I was informed of this by the bank teller. Also, my bank statement is being sent to a safe place that I can't get to readily, since my mail is being stolen.

― kidnapping and blackmail (dymaxia), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

holy shit. cancel everything. call the police.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

I didn't realize that real, live "identity theft" actually happened. I thought it was just a ploy to sell credit cards.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

it happens ALL THE TIME. especially since so many people buy things online & stuff.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Awesome, john! Did Nick ever give you any of the VHS&thebabies stuff? I love them. Also, they're good people.

Hi, kidnapping, I think you meant to say Kelsey, but that's ok. I'm assuming you're a newbie to this thread? Or a former lurker?

I'm going to prepare my lunch now.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Sympathy to all y'all over the identity theft. How horrible.

My brother is a doctor and he definitely says "obgine". Though the potential confusions of "OG" make it my first choice.

I'm having my daily panic that I have nothing to say that's remotely Chicago relevant. Um, my girlfriend used to live there? And I REALLY want to come and visit you guys :)

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

I don't trust mail and mailboxes

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm assuming you're a newbie to this thread? Or a former lurker?

Sarah, it's Kerry K.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Markelby, all you have to talk about is sex, fruit, zombies, menstruation, etc. & you're in. We rarely discuss Chicago.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

sex, fruit, zombies

Tep to thread.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Markelby, all you have to talk about is sex, fruit, zombies, menstruation, etc. & you're in.

Bonus points if you can plug an upcoming gig.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Wait, "Kerry K." is my boss' name!

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

my dad got his identity stolen a few years ago. he investigated stuff and found out exactly who it was (someone had stolen his SS# from his work records), and reported it to the police. the police didn't care and never did anything about it, because he lived in the suburbs, the crime was committed in the city, too much red tape, i dunno.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

>> explain what a pineapple zombie blowjob is and Tep's connection to it
Yeah, I think I want to clear that up. Maybe.
There are juice drink things they sell in New Orleans' Little Vietnam that are like a cross between bubble tea and Kool Aid: they're fruit-flavored drinks with gelatin bits in them, and a normal-sized straw, so that you have to suck pretty hard to get the wiggly little jello to shoot through the straw and into the back of your mouth. I compared it to a pineapple-flavored zombie blowjob (because in the hypothetical universe implied by that comparison, see, zombies ejaculate leprous little maggoty things. Because of the rotting. And so on.)
And ... there you go.
Wait, I don't think I've made myself look better at all by explaining!

-- Tep (te...), November 14th, 2003.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Erin McK3an likes it "literate and nasty"!

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Dictionary sets a trap with an invented word
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By Nathan Bierma
Special to the Tribune

September 21, 2005

A term dictionary editors invented as a lexicographical "gotcha" has given word lovers a chuckle.

Last month, The New Yorker reported that the editors of the New Oxford American Dictionary (Oxford University Press, $60) had inserted a false entry in their dictionary as a trap.

Mapmakers and creators of dictionaries, encyclopedias and other reference works sometimes include fake information to expose people who lift the material for their own publications.

Erin McKean, the New Oxford American's Chicago-based editor in chief, says it is unethical for lexicographers to lift a word from another dictionary without doing their own research into how the word is used.

Though traps can result in a copyright infringement charge, usually the most severe punishment is egg on the guilty party's face.

Common occurrence

Since the practice is discreet, it is difficult to document, though McKean calls it "not uncommon."

The New Oxford American's trap appears in the dictionary's first edition published in 2001, before McKean was appointed editor in chief, But it wasn't until after the second edition came out earlier this year that talk began to spread about a trick entry.

"I was pressed, and I said, `It's in "E," that's all I'm saying,'" McKean says.

The New Yorker presented a short list of the possible fakes to a group of word experts. The majority of them fingered the word "esquivalience" as a suspect.

The New Oxford American's entry for "esquivalience" defines it as "the willful avoidance of one's official responsibilities; the shirking of duties," as in, "After three subordinates attested to his esquivalience, Lieutenant Claiborne was dismissed." The word's etymology is traced to the late 19th Century, "perhaps from French esquiver, `dodge, slink away.'"

But while "esquiver" is a real French word, "esquivalience" is an invention. McKean confirmed this for The New Yorker, saying the New Oxford American team set out to make up a word for "working hard," which they were. But one editor, Christine Lindberg, came up with a word that meant just the opposite.

"I wanted the word to suggest character weaknesses," Lindberg writes by e-mail, "and words like `quivering' and `vacillating' went through my mind and became the glob of brain putty that eventually got fashioned into `esquivalience.'"

The copyright trap worked. "Esquivalience" showed up at Dictionary.com, attributed to the electronic dictionary Webster's New Millennium Dictionary of English. (The word has since been removed from Dictionary.com.)

McKean says although the definition of "esquivalience" had been altered at Dictionary.com, there was no question that the entry came from anywhere but the New Oxford American Dictionary.

Both Dictionary.com and Webster's New Millennium Dictionary are online reference works offered by Lexico Publishing Group, a privately owned company. Barbara Ann Kipfer, editor of Webster's New Millennium Dictionary, deferred comment to a Lexico spokesman, who did not respond to repeated inquiries.

McKean says she doesn't lose any sleep over dictionary pirates and that Oxford University Press, publisher of the New Oxford American dictionary, is not contemplating legal action. As crime waves go, dictionary piracy isn't even a trickle. "Piracy is low on our list of concerns," McKean said. "We don't have hordes of lawyers watching for it or anything."

Still, doesn't her team find it satisfying to say "Gotcha!"?

"I shouldn't say," McKean says. "That should be a `no comment.'"

No harm

A more serious question is whether publishing a copyright trap damages a source's credibility. McKean says there's no harm in listing an entry nobody actually uses.

"We wanted it to have as little a footprint as possible. We didn't want to find a [fake] synonym for `yellow,'" she says.

Of course, in the world of lexicography, a made-up word can become real simply by having people discuss it -- and then use it.

Lindberg, the inventor of "esquivalience," says the word is real to her. "It is only this recent bit of attention to my infamous little neologism that has reminded me of its fauxness," she says.

"I find myself using the word regularly, and I've grown quite fond of it. I especially like the critical, judgmental tone I can get out of it: `Those esquivalient little wretches.' Sounds literate and nasty all in one breath. I like that."

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

Oops, that wasn't her -- it was Christine L!ndberg. Either way. This is Chicago related. We like words. We shirk responsibilities.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

PS -- Sorry that was so long.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Ha. McKean is great, even though that article doesn't really add much to the New Yorker piece.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

This is Chicago related. We like words. We shirk responsibilities.

haha It sounds like a pretty useful word to me! Er... about me!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Pineapple-flavored zombie blowjob. Wow.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

The tragic part is that they probably no longer exist. :(

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

That's a great story.

CHICAGO! I just ate my delicious salad! Now I will go for a brief stroll in the sunshine.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Pineapple-flavored zombie blowjob. Wow.

Less "wow," more "don't talk about that anymore, plz."

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Why? Because it was an overused meme two years ago?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

"esquivalience" = uncontrolled need to listen to Esquivel over and over.

http://www.bar-none.com/images/s-abpm.gif

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Because it was an overused meme two years ago?

Mostly because it's gross.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

xpost - I had that problem in 1998. Over and over with the Esquivel.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

Esquivel's awesome! I think I listened to Esquivel mostly in 1997. "WHATCHAMACALLIT, ESQUIVEL?"

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

I was in a record store one night last week, heard 'Tits on the Radio', got home and found it was by the Scissors Sisters, bought the song for 99 cents, and it's pretty much all that's in my head this week. What a song.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Considering I listened to The Strokes for the first time in mid-2004, I guess it's time for me to get into the S Sisters. Can't wait to hear the Arcade Fire sometime late next year.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

Ok, this is long and I'm sorry, but I thought it was really interesting. Forwarded email from a relative that doesn't suck, for once.

-------Original Message-------

Subject: 8th Grade Education

Remember when our grandparents, great-grandparents, and such
stated that they "only had an 8th grade education"?

Could any of us have passed the 8th grade in 1895?
This is the eighth-grade final exam from 1895 in Salina, Kansas.
Source is the original document on file at the Smokey Valley
Genealogical Society and Library in Salina, reprinted
by the Salina Journal.

8th GRADE FINAL EXAM

Grammar (Time, one hour)

1. Give nine rules for the use of Capital Letters.
2. Name the Parts of Speech and define those that have no Modifications.
3. Define Verse, Stanza and Paragraph.
4. What are the Principal Parts of a verb? Give Principal Parts of lie, lay and run.
5. Define Case, Illustrate each Case.
6. What is Punctuation? Give rules for principal marks of Punctuation.
7. Write a composition of about 150 words and show therein that you understand the practical use of the rules of grammar.

Arithmetic (Time, 1.25 hours)

1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
2. A wagon box is 2 ft. deep, 10 feet long, and 3 ft. wide. How many bushels of wheat will it hold?
3. If a load of wheat weighs 3942 lb., what is it worth at 50 ¢/bushel, deducting 1050 lb. for tare?
4. District No. 33 has a valuation of $35,000. What is the necessary levy to carry on a school seven months at $50 per month, and have $104 for incidentals?
5. Find cost of 6720 lb. coal at $6.00 per ton.
6. Find the interest for $512.60 for 8 months and 18 days at 7 percent.
7. What is the cost of 40 boards 12 inches wide and 16 ft. long at $20 per meter?
8. Find bank discount on $300 for 90 days, no grace, at 10 percent.
9. What is the cost of a square farm at $15 per acre, the distance around which is 640 rods?
10. Write a Bank Check, a Promissory Note, and a Receipt.

U. S. History (Time, 45 minutes)

1. Give the epochs into which U. S. History is divided.
2. Give an account of the discovery of America by Columbus.
3. Relate the causes and results of the Revolutionary War.
4. Show the territorial growth of the United States.
5. Tell what you can of the history of Kansas.
6. Describe three of the most prominent battles of the Rebellion.
7. Who were the following: Morse, Whitney, Fulton, Bell, Lincoln, Penn, and Howe?
8. Name events connected with the following dates: 1607, 1620, 1800, 1849, 1865.

Orthography (Time, one hour)

1. What is meant by the following: Alphabet, phonetic, orthography, etymology, syllabication?
2. What are elementary sounds? How classified?
3. What are the following, and give examples of each: Trigraph, sub vocals, diphthong, cognate letters, linguals?
4. Give four substitutes for caret 'u.'
5. Give two rules for spelling words with final 'e.' Name two exceptions under each rule.
6. Give two uses of silent letters in spelling. Illustrate each.
7. Define the following prefixes and use in connection with a word: bi, dis, mis, pre, semi, post, non, inter, mono, sup.
8. Mark diacritically and divide into syllables the following, and name the sign that indicates the sound: card, ball, mercy, sir, odd, cell, rise, blood, fare, last.
9. Use the following correctly in sentences: cite, site, sight, fane, fain, feign, vane, vain, vein, raze, raise, rays.
10. Write 10 words frequently mispronounced and indicate pronunciation by use of diacritical marks and by syllabication.

Geography (Time, one hour)

1. What is climate? Upon what does climate depend?
2. How do you account for the extremes of climate in Kansas?
3. Of what use are rivers? Of what use is the ocean?
4. Describe the mountains of North America.
5. Name and describe the following: Monrovia, Odessa, Denver, Manitoba, Hecla, Yukon, St. Helena, Juan Fernandez, Aspinwall & Orinoco.
6. Name and locate the principal trade centers of the U.S.
7. Name all the republics of Europe and give the capital of each.
8. Why is the Atlantic Coast colder than the Pacific in the same latitude?
9. Describe the process by which the water of the ocean returns to the sources of rivers.
10. Describe the movements of the earth. Give the inclination of the earth.

Note that the exam required up to five hours to complete. Gives the saying when referring to our parents and others: "She/he only had an 8th grade education" a whole new meaning, doesn't it?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

That's my favorite SS song.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.

WTF?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Good afternoon Chicago. I had meetings all morning again. I like zombies and blowjobs but not together.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

1. Name and define the Fundamental Rules of Arithmetic.
Um, adding, subtracting, and multiplying?? I don't know.
I'm scared of that exam. I don't even remember taking any tests in 8th grade, but I guess I must have.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

The best thing about "Tits on the Radio" is that it's so true. You can't see tits on the radio.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

since when do 8th graders know how to use diacritical marks? geez. that test is crazy-talk.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

The coolest thing about 8th grade for me was ALGEBRA. My teacher was totally psyched about it. Also, she was funny. I ENJOYED going to that class and LEARNING. Someone should make a touching a movie about her, but I don't think they will because she was very overweight and wore a black sweatsuit every day (which was always covered in chalk).

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Her catch phrase was Whatever floats your boat...

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Chicagoans and Honorary Chicagoans, please send me your BETSIMPSIER! (ha ha) recipes so I can dabble in cooking. Here are the rules

* must be vegetarian, but don't have to be vegan
* must be VERY EASY, because I am a HORRIBLE COOK
* must require very little ingrediants as I'm a po' folk

Hmmm?

I began my requesting my mom's chocolate chip oat bran muffin recipe. Mmm... But mostly, I don't need loads of dessert ideas, yeeetttt.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Also, please don't email me anything with the word MUSHROOMS or EGGPLANT in it.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I like teachers that had catchphrases. I had a band teacher in junior high whose favorite word was "rank," as in "Ugh! Clarinets! You guys, that sounded rank!" Or then there was Mr. Urem0vic in high school, who ended an alarming number of sentences with the phrase "right here." It was weird. Like, "Andrew Jackson's inauguration was incredible! ... right here" -- with his voice trailing off a bit at the end. Or at the beginning of class: "All right, all right, let's get acclimated ... right here."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Also, please don't email me anything with the word MUSHROOMS or EGGPLANT in it.

You don't like mushrooms or eggplant? Really?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

Please define "easy" -- I don't think most cooking is much more than assembly, meaning that it doesn't require what I consider to be "skill."

Favorite ingredients?

jaymc - your teachers' catchphrases were funnier than mine. my 6th grade teacher mrs. sh0man used to say "verbatim" and "per se" and others so much that at the end of the year we made her a little book of her catchphrases with portraits we had drawn of her using the phrases. i would like to see that puppy again.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:31 (twenty years ago)

Note -- my thoughts on cooking and "skill" refer to every day things like 1) pasta dishes 2) stir fry 3) making salads, etc.

certainly some types of cooking require lots of specialized skills. but it seems like most things i require more time-management type activities than actual physical or mental cooking skills.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

John, Not so much. So sue me!

Amanda, Unfortunately, I have negative skills then, because I don't cook at all. Recently, I was proud of myself for making dinner for Nick and I, but it only consisted of wild rice (from the box) and peas (from the freezer, they come in a bag). I guess I want to learn how to make some more interesting, more homemade THINGS.

So, by "easy" I mean a 4th grader could do it, I guess.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

please send me your BETSIMPSIER! (ha ha) recipes so I can dabble in cooking.

Ok, here's my best shot.

- buncha dried beans, at least three different kind
- 2-3 cans crushed tomatoes
- 4 big potatoes
- some spinach
- some garlic
- some seasoning that's simple and delicious, like oregano or basil

Soak beans. Boil beans. Add tomatoes and spinach and everything else. Maybe some water, too -- you want stew, but not soup. Simmer until you're happy with it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

My grandpa probably had an 8th grade education, was a farmer, but he knew his Canterbury Tales.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

I wish I could remember more catchphrases. Oops? Robotsinlove?

There was also the substitute teacher B0b Skul who had a white walrus moustache that looked like it was stained with urine, and who had a habit of repeatedly brushing his hand over his torso, roughly from his chest to his crotch. One day I counted the number of times he did this within a single class period -- I think it was in the fifties.

Also math teacher Mr. Wils0n said "if you will" a lot, and, being the smart-ass I was, would always mutter in the back of the room, "oh I will, all right."

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

What do you call it, Kenan? It needs a snappy name for the Word Doc I'm creating.

Also, are the tomatoes chunky in the end? Nick has this thing about tomatoes, but if they are I could make it for myself and put it in tupperwares to bring to work at later dates.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

That sounds like a great cold weather stew. You should work something regional into the title.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Sarah - do you have a chef's knife? It makes chopping A DELIGHT!
http://www.eka-knivar.se/prod/cuisine/chefk.jpg

You can get one for about $20-$25 and they make cutting vegetables (and everything) a lot easier. I wouldn't give one to a 4th grader, but you can handle it.

IMO cooking is a matter of knowing the properties of food and what happens to it when it's heated, combined with other foods, how to season it etc. It's more accumulated knowledge than skill.

God, someone is eating stinky tuna fish near me and it's making me SICK.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

What do you call it, Kenan? It needs a snappy name for the Word Doc I'm creating.

Uncle Salty's Bean Stew

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I had teachers who liked to say "for all intents and purposes" a lot.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

No, no, not uncle salty. That sounds... too salty.

Uncle Remus's Happy Negro Bean Stew

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe that's too regional.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Here's a favorite vegetable stew: (i make it with mushrooms, but you don't have to)

Good Enough for Guests Vegetable Stew

* chop an onion and saute in a large saucepan with a spoonful of chopped garlic (from a jar or fresh, whatever) and olive oil.

* add 1-inch pieces of zucchini (one zucchini's worth) and yellow squash if you like it too. salt and pepper the mixture. saute this for about 5 minutes

* add 1 can of diced tomatoes (with juice) and one can of garbanzo beans (drained and rinsed)

* add 1 tbsp cumin, some chopped fresh (or dried) rosemary and about 1/4 tsp cayenne pepper for heat.

* cook for about 20-30 minutes over medium heat. add a little bitty bit of water if it looks like it's getting stuck to the pan.

eat alone or over rice or (like i make it) spooned over potato pancakes with cheese.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

ps -- that name is sloppy, but it's all i could come up with right now. you can name it whatever you want.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, most of the things we make aren't vegetarian, or if they are, they aren't exactly healthy. I'll get Maddie's cheesy potato soup recipe if you want though, it's my favorite thing about winter.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Haha, Amanda, that name sounds like it'd be in a cookbook put together by a 1950s ladies' club.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Are potato pancakes always greasy? I've only had them once, but it was at an actual factual hole-in-wall swedish restaurant in jefferson park.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I like that name, Amanda! I'm not wise enough in the ways of cooking yet to name recipes.

IMO cooking is a matter of knowing the properties of food and what happens to it when it's heated, combined with other foods, how to season it etc..
Also, according to Like Water for Chocolate, it involves LOVE and SENSUALITY.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

No. You can speed up the process by using frozen hash browns, or you can be like my grandmother and grate the potatoes by hand. In the snow, etc.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

potato pancakes are usually greasy, but they don't have to be TOO greasy. they're labor-intensive though: the peeling, shredding, frying, etc. you could also do hash browns or cubed-and-baked red potatoes or something. (what jocelyn said)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Hmm... Jordan, I am kind of scared of soup with cheese on it, but you should send me the recipe anyway. We will need that sort of thing to keep warm this winter, what with the skyrocketing gas prices.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

I've had less-greasy potato pancakes, but they're still fried in oil. I'd be interested in alternatives though.

xpost

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

You totally have to grate your own potatoes!

Found this:

The secret to crispy, non-greasy latkes is proper oil temperature, s make sure that your oil is very hot (though not smoking) before adding the latkes; and don't crowd the pan, as that will cause the oil temperature to fall.

Potato Latkes
2 pounds russet potatoes
1 onion
2 eggs, lightly beaten
2 tbsp. unbleached all-purpose flour
Salt and freshly ground pepper to taste

Vegetable oil for frying

1. Preheat the oven to 200 degrees. Peel and grate the potatoes. (This can be done in a food processor, but the texture is better if done by hand.) Place the grated potatoes in a colander with a plate beneath it. Sprinkle salt on the potatoes, cover them with a layer of paper towels, and then place a heavy object (such as a heavy bowl or can) on top. Allow the potatoes to drain for 10 minutes.

2. While the potatoes are draining, peel the onion and grate it by hand. Set aside.

3. In a large bowl, combine the potatoes, onion, eggs and flour, and season generously with salt and pepper. Mix well.

4. In a large, heavy skillet, add oil to a depth of about 14 inch and heat over medium-high heat until very hot but not smoking. Drop 14 cup of the potato mixture into the hot oil, flattening with a spatula. Fry the latkes until deep brown and crisp on both sides.

5. Drain the latkes on paper towels (pat them with the towels on both sides), and keep them warm in a single layer on a baking sheet in the oven until all of them have been made. Serve hot, with applesauce and sour cream.

Makes about 14.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

The cheese isn't, like, floating on the soup, it's all melted up in there for flavor! I e-mailed Maddie for the recipe.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Sorry for derailing the thread. I would make it more about Chicago-specific foods, but they would all involve packing my own sausage or something.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

xpost - yep, thats what i do, except i add smoked cheese and omit the egg, since the cheese holds the potatoes together.

man, they're good.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Let's see... 2 and a half more hours of no work today... I have NOTHING to do but sit here and ILX it up.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, cheesy latkes. But does that prevent you from topping with applesauce?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

real easy sloppy soys (two versions)
1.
buy manwich (it's veg)
buy frozen veg crumbles
cook together, throw on some buns.

2. homemade version
saute onions & whatever else you want in there...garlic, etc.
throw in a bunch of chopped tomatoes & let it cook down a bit & then throw in bbq sauce & tvp. cook it till you like it & serve on toasty buns.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the stycast link, jaymc, I was really confused until you said who that was. The Id is like the most superobscure band in the world. Crazy!

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

spinach lasagna. it's nice to have a recipe where you don't have to cook the noodles, i did a quick google and found this:

http://www.cooks.com/rec/view/0,1650,147190-244200,00.html

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Also, get the Moosewood cookbook. It's the source of many great, easy vegetarian recipes and a good starting point.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

You could make Ya Ka Mein, Sarah. It's a New Orleans thing, and I don't have an exact recipe, but it's basically broth with a lot of soy sauce and hot sauce + spaghetti noodles, green onions (and any other veggies you want), and a few hardboiled eggs.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

I'll second the Moosewood recommendation.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

What are veggie crumbles, kelsey?

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

frozen broken up veggie burger, basically.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I third the Moosewood cookbook. Never cooked from it, but I've eaten heavenly things from it.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Okay, Maddie gave me her recipe off the dome:

"Chop up 3-5 celery stalks.

Chop up one large onion or several small ones. Hide your actions from your onionphobic boyfriend. He'll appreciate it when he tastes it.

Scrub many potatoes. Cut them into pieces of a size that pleases you, recalling that larger pieces will take longer to cook and smaller pieces will fall apart in the broth. Some people prefer skinless pieces. I don't cater to those people.

In the bottom of a large cauldron or soup pot, saute the celery and onions in butter or oil. Cook until the onions are translucent and the celery is softened.

Add a lot of chicken broth (I use a mix of canned and bouillon). Would you like to add some dill, pepper, or something else? Feel free. You can do it later, too.

Bring the broth to a rollicking boil. Rollicking, I say! Add potatoes. Turn down the heat a bit, but leave it at a gentle boil until the potatoes are cooked through. Covering the pot will prevent the loss of broth to steam and evaporation. You may want to keep extra broth on hand to add as needed.

While it cooks, grate sharp cheddar. You may also cut it into small pieces if you're afraid of grating your fingers off. Do not eat all the cheese.

Turn down the temperature to medium or lower. Slowly add cheese, stirring frequently. The melting process is a little time-consuming but ever so worthwhile.

Are you content with the unnatural alliance of broth and cheese in your pot? Then serve and enjoy.

Variations: Add carrots, use red potatoes, blend it before adding cheese to make a rich broth, add cream when you stir in the cheese, use a little mustard seed, serve in bread bowls."

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

That's pretty much how I make Potato & cheese soup, but I normally whisk in a little non-fat dry milk to make it creamier, without the fat.

― joceline, Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

there is a vegan cookbook that i love. it's soy heavy, but the ingredients are totally normal (i.e. no rice sugar whatevers or spendy maple sugar). It's called "The farm vegetarian cookbook." Wonderful.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I have become sausage-shaped. Stop posting recipes now.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I found out someone I know is raising chickens, the kind with the little turquoise and blue eggs, so I am going to beg her for any extras.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Chickens! I love chickens. I miss the chicken pen in gramma's back field. I'm going to move to the country just so I can have chickens.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Fresh eggs! Free fertilizer! Built-in pest control! And, occasionally, CHICKEN!

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

We ate a chicken last night. It had apples in it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

my grandma had chickens & cut their heads off before cooking them up. sometimes she'd dangle them from the clothesline, sometimes she'd let them run around.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

wow, your grandma was hardcore. my grandma went to the Women's City Club for chicken.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

i know nothing of astrophysics, but Local Pancake Defeats Axis of Evil is a great paper title.

― Juulia (julesbdules), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

ha ha

Ok, thanks for all the recipes, everyone. I will report back about any that I make as I make them.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

I have decapitated a chicken. It wasn't the most fun I've ever had.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

KENAN SHOT AN ARMADILLO AND THEN DECAPITATED A CHICKEN WITH IT!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Yes, and then I ate the chicken raw and warm, and let the blood drip down my chin and over my chest and over my loin cloth. And I said, "RAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWGH!"

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

You're one step away from Preacher there...

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

on a scale on 1-10, how old-ladyish is it of me to wear knee-high stockings with my skirt today?

1 = you're practically a teenager

10 = Bea Arthur

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

note - the stockings are fishnet, but they are knee-high.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

Depends. It could look indie. I bet it would if Sarah did it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

also, the skirt COVERS the top of the stockings, so you can't really tell unless i sit the wrong way.

continue your calculations...

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Bea Arthur is awesome. More people should be like Bea.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Note 2 - I too love Beatrice Arthur and am not ashamed to be compared to her.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

I love knee socks OMG!

Also, fishnet stockings, particularly knee high ones, are all the rage right now, as my grandmother used to say. (And just because my grandmother used to say it, doesn't mean they aren't hip now)

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

wait, you're telling me that knee-length fishnets are cool right now? with the top showing? you're kidding.

generally i love knee socks too, but i feel like i can't really wear them anymore.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

I think of fishnets as a goth thing, not an old-lady thing.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

but they're flesh colored! they're like dancer's tights, but they're knee-high, like trouser socks. trust me, they look truly geriatric.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

of course, they're not flesh colored for EVERYONE, but they are for me. anyway, i guess they're not as egregious a fashion infraction as i had thought.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

Wait, maybe I am misunderstanding what fishnets are.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

it's just the weave of the stocking, they can be a variety of colors. i had red ones in high school that i wore over purple tights. white over blue tights...etc. all about the tights.

tights. what a weird word.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

So the tights are (Caucasian) flesh-colored, and the fishnets themselves are ... what?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

jeez -- they're like this but they only go to my knee and if my skirt goes the wrong way, you can see the top, which isn't supposed to be visible

http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/210000/212700/212745/Products/10996832.jpg

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

"Tights" kind of sounds creepy akin to the "panty" discussion from a few weeks ago.

I've been working too hard, I've missed out on a lot. Does anyone want to go drinking this weekend? Friday maybe? I'm feeling a bender coming on.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Nothing creepy about panties and tights. On gals, anyway.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

It was the word "panty" that was the creepy part. At least for me...

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

I guess I prefer good old fashioned "underwear."

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Or perhaps thong th-thong thong-thong.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

panty panty panty
skivvies
u-trou

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

i think u-trou is my mom's word of choice.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

"Panty" just has some weird mental images associated with it for me. Like gross sick fat dudes buying little girls' underwear in veding machines in Japan.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

veding=vending

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

You mean the panties that your mother laid out for you?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

Wait, what's that from?

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Amanda -- I think those probably look fine, apart from potential top-visibility.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Sumo wrestlers need love too.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

No I mean the stains on the panties my mother laid out from me.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

do guys actually prefer thongs?!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

I've been making bad jokes (well, they're funny to me) while waiting for an especially large file to distill, and that was one of them. So was the panty stain one.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

the stain was hilarious. slightly gross, but funny.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Dear automated telemarketers, Please stop dialing my work number. In the end, my human soul with conquer your heartless robot antics.

Everyone think GOOD THOUGHTS, because you-know-who's review is in T minus 10 minutes.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, I luuurve fishnets, at least as much as I like any form of stockings. Soon it will be fall/winter and I will have to switch from bare legs.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

A thong is like makeup -- sometimes it reads as "trying too hard to be sexy" and sometimes it works.

Fishnets would seem like they could read as "trying to hard" but they never do because they're lovely.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

what about garter belts, then?

GO NICK!!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

i like fishnets, so long as they're not the full-body kind you can buy at stripper-shoe stores. have you ever seen those things? they have them in spider-web print too. my word, those are SKANKY.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Fishnets are discussed quite a bit on the FALL FASHION ILX thread, which means they are hip.

A thong is like makeup -- sometimes it reads as "trying too hard to be sexy" and sometimes it works.
So, is the goal to:
a) look like you were born with a thong or
b) where just enough of a thong that it looks like you aren't wearing one at all..?

ha ha, I know what you're talking about, Amanda.
Kelsey, according to ME, garter belts are also in, but I don't have any, alas.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

I picked one up this past weekend and it took me a while to remember what it was. I was just holding it up with my hands, turning it different directions, thinking, What is this? A bra? But wait... no...

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Here's hoping Nick gets a $25000 raise like George's secretary did on the Seinfeld I saw yesterday.

Garter belts - hot
Fishets - hotter
Those sweatshorts with words on the ass - for some reason, really hot. A dirty, dirty, I-know-I-shouldn't-like-it-but-I-can't-turn-away kind of hot. I saw a pair that said "Stick It" one time. Lord. My inner fratboy almost jumped right out of me. His name is "Big Danno."

I wonder if my PDF is done yet?

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Garters are lovely, too. Thongs, I guess...They're fine, but on the right gal some Hanes Her Ways are fine, too.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

i've wondered if it would be a sexy thing underneath a dress or skirt to be discovered later. a friend of mine made sure to tell me that if i ever get one i need to wear my underwear OVER the belt b/c that way you can "keep the belt on while your undies come off." a good tip, me thinks.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

fishnets with or without the seam up the leg, gents?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

dan, i find it sorta charming that you have an inner frat boy.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Whatever. Womeny type things in general aren't really my style.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to have to say with.

xpost: Yeah, it's a good thing I have an outer normal guy. Fuck those visor-wearing sons of bitches in their stupid asses.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Sorry for the angst, my college sucked when it came to those dudes.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

The words on the ass are kind of hot, though.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Jaymc, Do you like your ladies in menswear? More along the lines of retro sock garters? ha ha

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

which of the following 4 sex tips is NOT from c-o-s-m-o:

1. "give your guy oral when he's on all fours"
2. "write his name on your panties"
3. "wear a cowboy hat"
4. "bite him all over his butt"

note: i have the article RIGHT in front of me (don't ask why)

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Chicago 16

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

xpost That's funny. I always thought the words on the ass pants were more slutty than anything else, but I think mostly they disturb me because they're often worn by 13 year old girls.

― Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I started a new thread. These things get out of control so quickly.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

The words on the ass are kind of hot, though.

I agree, but it's ICKY when you see 14 yr old girls wearing them at the mall.

xpost!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

With. The general issue with women and sexiness -- and this goes back to the makeup and thong comparison -- is: is it sexier to have a woman wearing something particularly sexy, or having a woman perform a feat of alchemy by having something that isn't innately sexy (i.e., a hunting cap) transform itself into something sexy by virtue of the occasion and the charm and air of the woman herself?

Canasta needs to sell name-on-the-ass sweatpants. And for the plus-size ladies, there could be name-of-the-ass sweatpants advertising The Scotland Yard Gospel Choir.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

So I guess the thing about hiding the obviousness of makeup or a thong is to wear what you appear to be transforming by virtue of either your body or your character, instead of wearing something that screams "sexy" but is out of sync. Sexiness starts on the inside and gets revealed by earthly objects; the trick of a good sexy item is to reflect, or give the illusion of reflecting, the innate sexiness of the particular woman that has been there all along.

― Eazy (Eazy), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

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