Explain the appeal of Luomo

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Okay, I have VOCALCITY and I keep going back to it every once in a while, trying to find out what it is about Luomo that gets so many people hard (or wet, as the case may be). I want to like it, I really do, but I just don't see anything special about it. I think it's okay, even pretty good at points, but that's it. If I'm in the mood for microhouse or "experimental" house or what have you, Theo Parrish, Moodymann (yes, them again!), Soul Center, or anything on Kompakt will do the trick.

Explain to me what you like best about Luomo, what I might be missing. Go on, do it!

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Friday, 21 February 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

"I'll take everything from you."

― Brock K. (Brock K.), Friday, 21 February 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

it predates kompakt's breakthrough (total 3, etc.) and was therefore many people's first exposure to the whole micro-gitch-click thing (moodymann and mr parrish being a bit more underground than even the germans)...it was possibly the first major merger of chain reaction laundromat-dub and vocal house...and it's frequently breathtaking in parts

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 February 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

The composition is much more sophisticated than a lot of other microhouse -- the (God I hate this word) sound design is impeccable, multilayered, and extremely tactile.

― Clarke B., Friday, 21 February 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

also it sounds hella good in a car with a good system at around 1 am on a sat night

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 21 February 2003 05:41 (twenty-two years ago)

agreed jess, that's the best answer so far. it also sounds great in the mix - especially synkro. hello endless blend.

― j0sh, Friday, 21 February 2003 05:53 (twenty-two years ago)

it makes me horny.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Friday, 21 February 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

It makes Nonstop Jen dance.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:18 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed, spencer.

to listen to luomo, i'd first find the best sound system in your area. Then watch how Vladislav Delay [yeah, RIGHT] sections the vocals off, editing them slowly into existence. It comes str8 from kingston, and works the suspense factor out like a crink in your neck.

There are some music producers, some mentioned in this thread, that concern themselves with the sound, and nothing more. How it sounds. Hence the endless pseudonymetry [hey, you know]. Ultimately, the best motivation.

I'm pretty convinced Kompakt is like three dudes splitting the rent, and playing poker for the payments on the stereo.

― david day (winslow), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:23 (twenty-two years ago)

where to begin....

Unlike most of the Kompakt stuff, Luomo is minimal without actually being anywhere near as repetitive. Listen to it, and an extra snare hits here, more hats shuffling there, extra delay here and there... 'sound design' is a wanky word, but it's true. I've actually wondered whether he's used semi-random sequencing in some of the software he's using...

It just sounds awesome. That wonderful sheen he manages to get out... the incredibly strangled little stabs...

― dsp wanker (dsp wanker), Friday, 21 February 2003 07:54 (twenty-two years ago)

also the lyrics...they're wrong. They're contrary.

― gaz (gaz), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

the vocal science (not the 2step kind) is astounding. on Vocalcity he takes what sound like normal-enough house a cappella soundbites and flits and filters them through the mix so they impact the way you hear them on a club system; it's the closest I've ever heard a record come to the effect of hearing that kind of live DJ set. and the words, as gaz points out, are contrary: they double back on themselves, there's an uncertainty at the heart of them and the music both that seems to question the physical pleasure that the music'n'textures provide. that sense of doubt is subtle but all-pervasive--it's a lot of why I keep comparing it to Metal Box and There's a Riot Goin' On and Maxinquaye.

the show I saw w/Nonstop Jen, JBR and Geeta only had one Vocalcity track ("Synkro") in the list, and while calling the new stuff a "pop breakthrough" is a bit farfetched, there was a real feel of impending outburst in that room. the new material is fucking incredible--"The Present Lover" and "Melt" from recent Force Inc./Mille Plateaux comps were played, and give a good indication of where he's headed. he's become so good at the technique Vocalcity uses (the filtered/stuttered/fucked-with vocals) and the beats/grooves/tracks are shinier and more gleaming-gold-metallic, but they're also really fucking warm and minimal and lived-in; I got the feeling that he worked every second of this music to get it exactly where he wanted it, whereas Vocalcity is a masterpiece of serendipity, a feeling-around-in-the-dark exercise that got him a lot farther than just turning on the light and locating his destination would have done.

the new album is in October; if it's anywhere as good as that set it's my album of the year.

― M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 21 February 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

God I really should get some of this stuff, this is all very convincing.

― Ronan (Ronan), Friday, 21 February 2003 13:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Synkro" is what hooked me. That track is 14 minutes long but it's always on the move & in the process of building or tearing down (not just addition or subtraction but sculpting. And there is something so moist about it, it sounds like a club night held in an underground cavern w/ water dripping down the walls. -- so mysterious & sexy.

― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 21 February 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess I just can't shake the feeling that a lot of people think "wow, it's an IDM guy making deep house! How cool!" That and I think it's almost too slick -- see the word "sheen" in DSP Wanker's post above, or "shinier" in Matos'.

Well, several of you have convinced me not to give up on it. I'll keep going back to it periodically (there's a lot of stuff that takes time to grow on me). And I'll give the new album a listen when that comes out, too.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Friday, 21 February 2003 23:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It is very slick, no question about that.

― Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 22 February 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

(I have no idea why "slick" would be offputting when you're talking about electronic dance music, which is inherently slick.)

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 22 February 2003 06:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm a hypocrite like everyone else. I could probably name you other producers or artists that are slick that I like. But I also love the lo-fi feel to some of the work of Theo Parrish or Moodymann or I-Sound or DJ Scud or... (you get the idea). It's just off-putting for me on VOCALCITY.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Saturday, 22 February 2003 20:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I think "Synkro" is rightly being touted as the key track from Vocalcity, because it best exposes Luomo's most winning attribute, which is to focus on all the little things in order to make everything not smaller but bigger. The bass thump is perfectly tweaked to be as woozy as possible, a huge disorienting whoosh that is just incredibly, densely liquid (Mark is right about the moistness - I always think of the womb-setting of the "Teardrop" video when I listen to this song), while the glittering fragments of words and phrases swirls out of nothing to oh-so-gradually, syllable-by-syllable, arrive at an evocation of desire. There's a sense of groping and grappling towards something, towards expressing an inarticulate feeling that arrives on the dancefloor. This is perhaps why all of the lyrics Luomo uses sound so contradictory, fragmented and quasi-meaningful - they're representative of urgent impulses that aren't really supposed to be expressed in words, but in dance moves, looks, unconscious communication. "Synkro" and "The Present Lover" above all his other work has the capacity to make me teary-eyed in response to the incredibly compressed enormity of their emotional content, which is perhaps why they're my favourite tracks of his.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 00:16 (twenty-two years ago)

and the way they're filtered, repeated, tweaked, played with all add to this effect. they're riffs, or ideas for Delay to riff on, moods to be manipulated. "Because you move/I've got to keep on moving with you" can sound ecstatic, can sound mournful, can sound defensive, can sound suspicious, can sound playful, and in the song it sounds like all those things at various times.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Wow, this is great stuff from Matos and Finney. You guys should be writers. anyway, yeah I've got two records under the Delay name (which I quite enjoy), but I never picked up the Luomo because I read a couple of reviews early on that called it "boring." That's what I get for trusting a review. I will definitely seek this one out...

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:24 (twenty-two years ago)

these guys *are* writers. luomo is very ace.
(i am not a writer.)

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I know they are. It was supposed to be a funny.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I actually think "Class" is a far better track on Vocalcity because it's much more oppressive, and the slippage feels like a gradual opening, the human element pressing through cracks and contradictions, like Pulp's weeds or such. This is somewhat where Tim's coming from, but more that it feels like a reassertion of the body against totalizing beats, like the breakdown of a house track sublimated into every aspect of the song.

Vocalcity has a narrative from start to finish, but I've never managed to fully put it together. And I suspect the narrative is a great deal like Kelis' Wanderland, but at such an abstract level that I can't really articulate what I mean without sounding absurd.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, mr d., i feel a fool right now.

― michael wells (michael w.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

No Michael, no need to apologize. I'm obviously not very funny!

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

"Because you move/I've got to keep on moving with you"

The remarkable thing about this track is how he begins with four minutes of edits on the breaths in that line before finally laying it down halfway into the song. The last half of the song parses the phrase may into more "traditional" dub elemenets (though still deeper than the Eternal Recurrance).

It's the first half, though wherein the actual inhales and exhales are dubbed-up and spaced out. Is sounds subtle, but it's not. Then one by one the words filter in. I'm going to assume someone has worked with breaths in disco/dub before, but this was my first exposure to it and smacko.

I foundly remember driving out of the Rockies, just outside Denver, listening to that track, volume up, and hoping it would never end.

― david day (winslow), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

don't think that went unnoticed here, David.

― M Matos (M Matos), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 07:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sterling "Class" is so definitely up there, though I've gotta make a bit shout-out to my homegirl "She-Center" too.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

"She-Center" is my current fave, too. Don't ignore "The Right Wing" though -- possibly the best groove on the record (not as slinky as "She-Center" though -- those synth *zzzzips* are jus' naaasty!

― Clarke B., Thursday, 27 February 2003 05:37 (twenty-two years ago)

tessio anyone?
its pure bliss.
but then again, the whole damn album is.

― todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 28 February 2003 05:57 (twenty-two years ago)

two weeks pass...

I just bought a 12" with Diskonize Me and Body Speaking On It, purportedly from the forthcoming album "A Present Lover".... which the Force-Tracks online shop doesn't list.

So how did you guys get hold of other tracks offa the new album?

I'll articulate/review the 12" later. Know this: He was great at Sonar 2002, and played all non-VocalCity stuff. A definite highlight.

And as for VocalCity: Tessio remains my fave, being the my introduction to him. I hadn't heard House beautiful as this since Blaze's "Basic Blaze" album. For a guy that spends too much time in a suit, this stuff is life-affirming.

― Nik (Nik), Friday, 14 March 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

there's tracks on the Digital Disco and Clicks & Cuts 3 compilations. also, I saw him a couple months ago (as did Geeta, Jody Beth, and Jen nstop) and he played pretty much the entire new disc, according to the Force Inc. rep who was there. it KILLED.

― M Matos (M Matos), Saturday, 15 March 2003 11:18 (twenty-two years ago)

explain his appeal? the guy is incredibly hot.

― geeta (geeta), Saturday, 15 March 2003 12:48 (twenty-two years ago)

The remix of Special Cases by Massive Attack courtesy of Luomo is fantastic...it's very Vocalcity-esque which I found a bit surprising considering what Diskonize Me sounds like. Maybe it's just older than its release date? It's got about 612 more ideas going on in it than your average remix.

M Matos, are you referring to the Luomo show in Chicago? I thought it was amazing, too.

― disco stu (disco stu), Saturday, 15 March 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:10 (twenty years ago)

I am listening to Luomo in the office and can barely contain my enthusiasm!!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:11 (twenty years ago)

i put on The Present Lover for you adam, because, you're my present lover

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 18 November 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago)

oh i put on "vocalcity" - i'm your new lover!

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:05 (twenty years ago)

bitch, you best not be messin' with my man

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 18 November 2004 01:29 (twenty years ago)

what do y'all think of the 12" with raz that mr. luomo just released. the two songs use michael jackson similar to brian de palma's homage/ripping off of hitchcock. i feel like its an uneasy satisfaction.

― youngn, Thursday, 18 November 2004 02:38 (twenty years ago)

i;m not keen on it either - the production seems weak for Vlad.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Any gripes about production I might have disappear when the chorus(es) kick in. The next Luomo album will be the best music ever and music will close for good in recognition of its genius!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Wow Adam you're even making my Luomo luv appear restrained...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 03:54 (twenty years ago)

-- jess (dubplatestyl...), February 21st, 2003.

everyone: perhaps following from jess's post, please recommend some music (specific tunes/records) that will help me put luomo into some kind of context.

it's not that i can't appreciate him -- quite the contrary -- but that i appreciate him as, above all, strange.... perhaps he will remain so even after much of the surrounding context is colored in, perhaps not.

but in any event please recommend some things to me. then i will start bothering people to copy them for me. :-)

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Amateurist, some microhouse-ish albums that might put Luomo in context:

Herbert - Around the House; Bodily Functions
V/A - Superlongevity 2
Farben - Textstar
Markus Nikolai - Back
Richard Davis - Safety
Isolee - Rest
V/A: Andrew Weatherall - Hypercity
V/A: Dan Bell - The Button Down Mind of Dan Bell

Some pre-microhouse-ish stuff that might help with the historical context:

Pole - Pole 1
Oval - Diskont '94
Porter Ricks - Biokinetics
V/A - ...Compiled (Chain Reaction comp)
Monolake - Hong Kong
anything by Vladislav Delay obviously

I'll add anything else if I can think of it.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:48 (twenty years ago)

tim finney, you are a shining star.

can you explain the origin and meaning of the term "microhouse" maybe?

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:51 (twenty years ago)

i think i have that oval album somewhere incidentally...

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:52 (twenty years ago)

"can you explain the origin and meaning of the term "microhouse" maybe?"

Is this a joke/trap?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:54 (twenty years ago)

no, i'm rather guileless when it comes to this stuff.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 04:57 (twenty years ago)

The Microhouse Thread

can you bitches stop saying Microhouse?!

This music you call microhouse....

Sasha (this thread is relevant despite its ostensible topic)

"IDM" House vs. "Proper" House

The new Luomo: can you dance to it?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:04 (twenty years ago)

For amateur!!st, my ilx0r microhouse bookmarks. There's some good stuff in the "what is microhouse" vein that's been covered a few times. Basic points of reference: Sherburne's article in The Wire that coined the term, and the whole poppy-clicky versus smooth/gliding thread. There's probably enough out here to not clog up the Luomo thread anymore. Not that recent Luomo is microhouse...

TS: Microhouse - Clicky/Poppy vs. Smooth/Gliding
TS: Microhouse - Clicky/Poppy vs. Smooth/Gliding

EDIT: Ok, I deleted all my links because Mr. Finney beat me to them, damn it.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:07 (twenty years ago)

holy christ, those links are a handful... thanks of course. i'll wade through them soon, though i worry that they will remain too abstract without the necessary musical reference points (which i'll try to track down ASAP).

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:19 (twenty years ago)

terrific writing above (especially 2003 stuff) - and even though a Luomo fan, I may have missed this thread

I love the way the writers feel compelled to examine the tracks' microscopic details, perhaps in much the same way that the producer was drawn into (creating) his own work

I also love the recognition of similar responses I had

for me it was the words sexy and techno-house in the same review (in The Wire, one of their last revelations for me) that made me track Vocalcity down, to continued delight!

― Paul (scifisoul), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:33 (twenty years ago)

this thread has a couple of "explain microhouse" playlists, including I think 2 by me (although Jess and Andy's and etc etc may be better)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:34 (twenty years ago)

I have to side with Jeff Sumner on Luomo. I find that we have similiar taste, and I think the thing that put me off Lumom the most was *sound* of his records. Around the time that LO transistioned from VD/Usataalo into Luomo a friend of mine became obsesssed with Reaktor and would play me stuff that he came up with, and it had the exact sheen, that kind of clinical gloss that comes from Reaktor.

I've never been able to get into his Luomo stuff, I had a copy of Vocalcity and I gave Present Lover a try as well, and it just did not do anything for me. It was not that it was incompentent, it just never really connected with me on a viceral/emotional level. It was just kind of glossy and clean, and a bit sterile.

Having moved from southeastern Michigan I have a bit of a better perspective as to why that record doesn't do it for me. It isn't gritty, and it just strikes me as emotionally vacant beneath the surface. It is a bit like looking at a very well designed International style highrise office building at night, and the lights have been left on for the night and you see nothing but rows of empty cubicles and various office equipment. It is well constructed, consideration and effort went into it's structure, but for all it's craft, there is no catharsis, no solace. If Techno was built on escape through imagination, and house on shelter from the storm, his music does not provide either. It just seems like the logical outcome of a purpose built solution.

I am not posting this to attack anyone's taste or opinions, I am just trying to work out why it does nothing for me. I can see why others like it, it simply does not speak to me. I would rather listen to some Theo Parrish or Moodymann, or Ron Trent records. I hate using the "s" word because it is so useless and people throw it around instead of actually thinking out why something isn't appealing, I just don't feel any emotional connection to his music.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Michael it's quite amazing that after all this time we *still* have diametrically opposed tastes in all of this stuff! (though I love Theo and Moody obv)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:40 (twenty years ago)

It is a bit like looking at a very well designed International style highrise office building at night, and the lights have been left on for the night and you see nothing but rows of empty cubicles and various office equipment.

suddenly i imagine monsieur hulot wandering around inside vocalcity.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:49 (twenty years ago)

I think the architecture metaphor is the key. It is the difference between Glass and Metal, versus crumbling brick and plaster.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Thursday, 18 November 2004 05:51 (twenty years ago)

i gotta say, i put on a luomo song (something off present lover, i think) that people on ILM were raving about, and it totally blew my pot buzz.

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago)

Glass and Metal

For me the better metaphor is flying into LAX at night. It's this quintessentially modern activity, it is kind of a soulless way to travel, you have no connection to the people beneath you ... but it's gorgeous, you feel uplifted watching so many lights and people slide past, because from that vantage point you get the illusion of order. And seeing an underlying order in what is normally dull and mechanical and wrong is like a kind of spiritual intoxication.

I get the same thing from Luomo. It's slick, glossy, a little bit cold to the touch, but the way it slides under you and around you is intoxicating, and makes everything seem right. The glossiness is a good thing, here, because for once I can appreciate gloss, which makes the modern world more livable I think.

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago)

Whoa Luomo hate.

I still love his stuff, in fact the present lover album if anything has gotten better with time. Some of his basslines are just so fat and booty shaking with that patina of gloss over the top. It just stirs me.

I do like a lot of cold music though.

― hector (hector), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:11 (twenty years ago)

Lukas that is very well put.

I decline to use the OTM response.

― hector (hector), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:12 (twenty years ago)

i gotta say, i put on a luomo song (something off present lover, i think) that people on ILM were raving about, and it totally blew my pot buzz.

Uh-oh, I was looking forward to getting high and listening to The Present Lover this weekend!

Hey -- can someone tell me how Vocalcity differs from Present Lover? I like the latter a lot, but haven't really heard the former.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:14 (twenty years ago)

Lots less vocals. More of a minimal feel but very groovey.

― hector (hector), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:19 (twenty years ago)

jaymc i want some of your stash (actually i do need someone to hook me up, but i'm not sure if you'll volunteer for that)

i like vocalcity better than present lover, although the title track to the latter is just phenomenal.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:23 (twenty years ago)

Everything on Vocalcity feels like (or at any rate more like) a dub mix of some other tune we don't get to hear. It's also more intricate and less propulsive - it implies house principles rather than stating them explicitly. My review of The Present Lover discusses the differences between the two quite a bit.

Oddly the version of "The Present Lover" on Digital Disco is a slightly superior mix to that which ended up on the album.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:24 (twenty years ago)

HEADLINE: POLICE OFFICER'S INTEREST IN MICROHOUSE LEADS TO POT BUST

xpost hm i have to hear that

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:25 (twenty years ago)

Am: yes, yes, I have way too much. I mean, not a lot, but I don't do it that often, you know? I'm very happy to share.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:31 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I just read your last post...

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:31 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and thanks Tim! I think I've read that review before, actually, and just didn't remember! I'll try to download some stuff...

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 06:33 (twenty years ago)

"xpost hm i have to hear that"

The differences are very slight, and very hard to pin down. The sounds bounce around a lot more - you really feel like you're immersed in it all whereas the album version is a bit flatter. Plus some of my favourite sounds are higher up in the mix, esp. some of the really tearjerker riffs towards the end. There are some compensations about the album version too (mainly in terms of a tighter flow) though so it's still a very close race, and not something I'd worry about too much (Digital Disco is worth picking up for its other tracks though).

It's difficult to capture, though, just how astonished I was when I first heard "The Present Lover". I wasn't expecting something so unashamedly, brazenly emotional.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:11 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the brazen emotionality of it is what got to me, too, though on Vocalcity there's a distance that lessens with repeated listens. Disco Nihilist completely off his rocker re all of this.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:26 (twenty years ago)

(sorry that was a little mean, esp. since he takes pains to point out that he's not being personal toward anyone. I take it back insofar as it's a comment about a particular person, but I do find Luomo's stuff at least as emotionally charged as any Detroit stuff, which I also like a lot)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:29 (twenty years ago)

I used to be mean to Disco Nihilist all the time but he's a lovely mentalist and I'm sorry for it now.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:34 (twenty years ago)

oh, me too! and yeah, me too. (plus Andy K's CDR Go!s have gotten me into Detroit stuff in a nice way)

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:37 (twenty years ago)

BTW, of the new Luomo/Raz O'Hara tracks I've only heard "Runaway" which I like a lot. The way the song just suddenly becomes so ominously intense (drunk with desire) when the Michael Jackson suddenly plunges down to those cavernous depths...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:48 (twenty years ago)

really? if that's the one that was on Fluxblog a couple weeks back I thought it was pretty weak. maybe I need to hear it again.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:49 (twenty years ago)

It sounds very slight initially, and indeed is slight, but it rewards repeated listening (I can't remember if this is the same track Fluxblog posted).

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Thursday, 18 November 2004 12:53 (twenty years ago)

is Luomo Microhouse? i don't think so at all.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:21 (twenty years ago)

It's been hinted at above, but bears mentioning: Luomo loses a lot if you can't properly hear the bassline.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 18 November 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Luomo is not microhouse. Tim and Matos OTM. Many people have asked me why I like Luomo *so* much (and I do, I really like Luomo!) and have complained that it is too glossy and just fails to grip their attention. And these are people who are often right about many things. But fuck, to me, The Present Lover is a triumph because DESPITE all the attention to detail and style, it still manages to be so warm and emotional at the core. It's just a total sensory overload. It's a dance record and it's a drug record and it's a sex record and it's an iPod record. Oh, and it's a pop record too! I love the new 12" but I hope he won't altogether abandon the expansive groove stuff for smart, tight pop tunes.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago)

The glossiness is what I like about it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Well, part of what I like about it, at any rate. It's probably the combination of the glossiness with the meticulousness of the beats and grooves. At which point I'm not saying anything new, am I?

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago)

You are saying it in your way. And thus it becomes new.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 16:33 (twenty years ago)

what are people referring to when they refer to its "glossiness"? what musical element or interaction of music elements?

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:05 (twenty years ago)

fluxblog posted give it away, and tim's talking about the other track on the 12" (runaway...mmm confusing for anyone else?) - give it away feels slight in the same way as runaway though. i guess "give it away" feels like michael jackson as bare as possible. when the atmospheric synths kick in, it's a pretty relevatory moment (for me anyways). i can send either of these tracks off to anyone if so desired...

― youngn (ndeyoung), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I once described The Present Lover as "glitter[ing] like a Russian dance club at dawn, emptied of models whose mascara starts streaking from the snowflakes outside." I'm not sure what that means.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Sounds GREAT.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

i find the present lover to be vacant, digital, and pop. those are the qualities which set it apart from vocalcity and it's why i like it less. vocalcity is the one to smoke to.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Why *vacant*, tricky?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't think I like The Present Lover, and it's all because of the vocals/lyrics.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Slick and well-produced, yes, but unemotional? cold?

xpost - but that's why i like it!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

The vocals at least. The Luomo approach to vocalists is a revelation.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

i think i know what he's getting at but thats what gives it depth i think. There's alot of nothing in that record - in a good way.

3xposts

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Does he mean "space"?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:43 (twenty years ago)

present lover = britney spears
vocalcity = kate moss

xpost, because it is so well-crafted that even though the lyrics are hinting at emotion, they just sound calculated. maybe it's vacancy driven from lust. "body speaking" is the only tune that doesn't sound like that to me and it's my favorite. the present lover reminds me of photography.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:47 (twenty years ago)

There's alot of nothing in that record - in a good way.

YES, thank you jed.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)

well maybe he just means empty but i dont have a problem with it cos i read it a different way.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:48 (twenty years ago)

One thing I like about the vocals -- and I wish I had the album with me -- is that they simultaneously seem so human and emotional, and also so processed and cut-up and glitchy.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:53 (twenty years ago)

it's about the emotions or memories the music elicits in you not the emotions "contained" in the music. does that make sense? i like the present lover a great deal btw.

― it's tricky (disco stu), Thursday, 18 November 2004 17:55 (twenty years ago)

The only one thats cut up and glitchy is the track i dont like where the male vocal sounds like Cartman.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, I guess this is why I said I wish I had the album with me.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:02 (twenty years ago)

that wasn;t meant to sound snide sanjay! the cartman-vocal track i was thinking of was "What's good" though they are fairly cut up of "cold lately" too. The reason i like the female vocals so much is that they sound like they are being sung by a fembot who is trying to sound as human as possible or a robot that has malfunctioned and is trying to make sense of new emotions that she has never experienced before.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago)

I love What's Good!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, that description of the female vocals works for my argument, too -- even if they aren't glitchy. It's that dichotomy that's interesting.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Also, the key change in "What Good" is fantastic.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago)

You're so musical!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Shut up!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Haha!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

nobody answered my question...

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:09 (twenty years ago)

It's a good question. I'll have to think about it.

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:12 (twenty years ago)

i wouldn't call it glossy i would call it matt (really).

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Everything has its place.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 19:18 (twenty years ago)

re:gloss

maybe comparing luomo with superpitcher (i don't think of his music as glossy) might shed some light? they both seem to be sort of pillars of unabashedly romantik swoon-inducing notreallymicro house w/ a strong vocal component. i really love the idea of both of them but for some reason i prefer superpitcher's music more and i suspect it may have to do with this ambiguous "gloss" factor.

vaguely, luomo seems more reverb-based, hence 'space' and coldness, and uses rounder timbres, sleeker or more liquid (the vocals also always feel spilled or trickled over the beats for me).

superpitcher produces with more of a dry hazy feel, melancholic chords of some gentle mid-frequency lushness (the sigh+breathiness vocals always feel intimate or close, no space).

i don't think it's as simple as cold/warm or wet/dry or liquid/vapour but i think the two environments foster their emotional resonances in quite different ways, with inevitable overlap i suppose. and somewhere is a glossy/notglossy working idea... not sure if this is helpful....

― alexh, Thursday, 18 November 2004 21:51 (twenty years ago)

Disco Nihilist OTM. "Clinical" is a great way to describe it. I haven't listened to VOCALCITY in quite a while, but I didn't get rid of it either.

― Jeff Sumner (Jeff Sumner), Thursday, 18 November 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago)

yes alexh that's exactly the sort of thing i was wondering about

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:31 (twenty years ago)

not that this board is want for luomo-enthusiasm, but i wanted to add that i find the title track to the present lover thrilling.

― amateur!!st, Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:50 (twenty years ago)

it is!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 18 November 2004 23:54 (twenty years ago)

So I listened to the Digital Disco version again last night and having spent so long getting acclimatised to the album version I may have changed my mind on which one is better. Or at least I can't really tell anymore.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago)

I no longer know which of the 1000000000 versions and remixes of Tessio is my favourite!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago)

the original is the best!

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:08 (twenty years ago)

It is funny, because I think this is the album that I have given the most second chances to in my music listening career. I would break it out every couple months and throw it on to see if perhaps there was something I missed. I kept it around for a long time, I finally got rid of it when I purged about 8' of my cd collection before I moved to Austin. A lot of people who I usually see eye to eye with like this album, I don't know what it is that I am missing.

I felt the same way about the digital disco comp, although I only gave that about three chances. I don't know where the divide came in with microhouse, I really liked The Button Down Mind of Dan Bell when it came out, especially the Nick Holder track and the Herbert Mono Remix, but somehwere between that mix and the second DBX micromix something changed. I don't know if the changes was internal or external, but it stopped working for me.

The Funny thing is that a friend of mine sent me a copy of Frank Bretschneider and Taylor Dupree's Balance album on MP, and for whatever reason I like that. I generally dislike the computer synthesis sound, but that album works for me. I don't know, I suppose I will keep wallowing in my mentalism.

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:23 (twenty years ago)

*change was*

― Disco Nihilist (mjt), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:25 (twenty years ago)

its just achingly beautiful stuff. a lot of what i feel about it has already be said and better than i could ever.

but its the contrasts that draw you in. the cold/warm. the natural/unnatural. the idea that beneath the slickness there's confusion. beneath the expressions of desire there's emptiness. and vice versa a lot of the time.

― bulbs (bulbs), Friday, 19 November 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago)

adam i think i'm coming around on luomo!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:28 (twenty years ago)

It took me a while, too, s1ocki!

― Sanjay McDougal (jaymc), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:40 (twenty years ago)

it was the raz ohara traxx what did it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 02:44 (twenty years ago)

adam i think i'm coming ~~around~~ on luomo!

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 02:53 (twenty years ago)

[s1ocki check your email]

― amateur!!st, Friday, 19 November 2004 02:54 (twenty years ago)

haha ew! i'm not going near my inbox now!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 November 2004 04:05 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...

p. sherburne on luomo on pitchfork

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 9 September 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Luomo goes in the same category as Underworld in my book: beautiful but hard to explain.

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 9 September 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've always respected the craft of the album, but it wore thin real fast for me. It just seems sappy.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 9 September 2005 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Black Dice - Smiling Off (Luomo remix)

http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0SKJXIF4RB9810SUSHY39VDAV

― manuel (manuel), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

wow, what a fantastic re-review...bravo.

― tricky (disco stu), Sunday, 11 September 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

THANK YOU SO MUCH MANUEL

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 12 September 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

Sherburne's Vocalcity review is clearly the ultimate response to the question posed at the beginning of this thread.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 12 September 2005 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

you're welcome

― manuel (manuel), Monday, 12 September 2005 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Wow... obvious sure (and Tim F said it here), but I'd never picked noticed before till I heard it near the end of some mix - Herbert's 'So Now'? So Luomo!

― Worst song, played on ugliest guitar (fandango), Friday, 11 November 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Listening to the Luomo remix of Massive Attack's "Special Cases" again: there's this little bubbly riff at around the 5:30-6:00 mark which sounds like everyone in heaven just started dancing all at once.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 19 June 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Rereading this thread.... Fuck it, i'm a make it luomo night tonight.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

"The Right Wing" is drilling a hole into my brain. Once upon a time I thought this was the weakest song on Vocalcity. Did I not understand house in 2001? I thought I did.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really get Luomo, either, but I'm not really losing sleep over it.

― Jesus Dan (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 June 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

I never had problems liking Luomo-- it took me a bit longer to really get into him, but I feel like that was more a function of my mental/emotional head place than the sound itself.

In fact, at this point, I could listen to Luomo for hours and be totally enchanted...over and over again.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 19 June 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

The build up parts of White Rooms remind me of Right Wing.

― Eugene (eupal), Sunday, 25 June 2006 05:05 (eighteen years ago)

I adore the Present Lover, but have never managed to get into Vocalcity. I guess the bigger use of vocals on the former balances the dryness.

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Monday, 26 June 2006 07:13 (eighteen years ago)

what dryness?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

although i do find it refreshing that someone would love The Present Lover and not get Vocalcity...

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:29 (eighteen years ago)

i found vocalcity for $2 so i picked it up. not my thing at all

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:32 (eighteen years ago)

jim i could have told you that! Oi Jim have you been watching the Australian Story episode on the singer from Goanna??

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:34 (eighteen years ago)

i missed it :(

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:36 (eighteen years ago)

"Solid Rock" is so stirring.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

although i do find it refreshing that someone would love The Present Lover and not get Vocalcity...

Well, for somebody coming more from an IDM / electronica background, 'Present Lover' seems much more accessible: shorter songs, clearer hooks, choruses here and there. 'Vocalcity' OTOH relies much more on subtle changes stretched over very long sequences, which depending on your inclination or approcah can seem boring. I guess what I love about 'Present Lover' is how vividly it evokes very specific images, quiet sobbings of models after one chamapgne class too many, 5 AM quarrels when tiredness turns into extra-lucidity, etc etc.

― Baaderonixx immer wieder (baaderonixx), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

Hearing The Present Lover first, I found Vocalcity to be very disappointing, sounding like an overworked sketch of TPL.

― Eugene.Duff (eupal), Monday, 26 June 2006 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

^^This is pretty much how I've felt about it - I mean, except I like Vocalcity. I just connected with Present Lover a lot more.

― deej.. (deej..), Monday, 26 June 2006 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

There might be a thread about Paper Tigers but I haven't noticed it. Anyway, it's nice on first blush.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 August 2006 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

downloading as we speak. my bladder is ready.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 28 August 2006 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

FUCK ALL THE TRACKS HAVE THE FUCKING BABY GODDAMN YOU PROMO VERSION

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 28 August 2006 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

especially painful because it sounds so good otherwise. 'really don't mind' might be my new favorite luomo track.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 28 August 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

it's a very pretty album, but i've yet to feel the sort of emotional resonance that made The Present Lover so important to me. Maybe I have to keep listening.

I do think he shouldn't have used the same vocal throughout. It's like the whole album is a riff on the chorus of "Talk In Danger".

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

"Really Don't Mind" is excellent yes. That, the title track and "Wanna Tell" are probably my favourites.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 28 August 2006 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

The single mix of 'Really Don't Mind' posted on P'Fork is sublime and could herald the revival of early 90's euro-dance.

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

It is sugar to me ears. But the album isn't coming until october right? Long time.

― strom (strom), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

little really grabs me in a way that sounds fresh past the first 30 seconds of that single sadly

― bad hair day house (fandango), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 00:08 (eighteen years ago)

could herald the revival of early 90's euro-dance.

whether it's good or not i don't think people will buy the lyrics

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

i think it's pretty good but nowhere near as good at r&b pop + rubbery dub bass as, say, the right wing was at minimal sexy dub house.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:34 (eighteen years ago)

but i really like the way he makes the vocal seem to dance around, and so joyously! very far from the modern stylings of vocalcity, fractured and stuck.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

i don't really think that any of the tracks sound like r&b pop, lfam. which ones?

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 02:49 (eighteen years ago)

the new one!

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 02:52 (eighteen years ago)

FUCK ALL THE TRACKS HAVE THE FUCKING BABY GODDAMN YOU PROMO VERSION

so has a clean one surfaced yet? whoever came up with this idea must be either a sadist or a genius or both, i honestly cannot listen to it.

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

Clean promos have been sent. No Bridget Fonda artwork sadly.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

the clean one leaked via pitchfork at the same time as joanna newsom. only in crappy 128kbps, but much easier on the ears than the baby version.

― toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 06:13 (eighteen years ago)

I was not being clear, perhaps, lfam. Which tracks off of the new one?

― trees (treesessplode), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

the really don't mind single

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

feeling lucky?

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=luomo+%22paper+tigers%22+leak&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

This is really good. 128kbps is passable for getting an impression of the album, although obv. dud for the long term.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

"Really Don't Mind" is probably one of the singles of the year for me, even if some the lyrics are a bit ESL ("you give me the frown when you're not around.")

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

on my first, scattered, skittering, overeager listen i don't really like this

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

the only song that has grabbed me (for being good) is good to be with

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

I have only heard the radio edit that was posted on PFork but can't really see how this wouldn't be even better streteched out to 7-8 minutes.

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

that song is good too but i prefer the edit

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago)

brevity is the soul of wit

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

i agree, the edit is much more immmediate, maybe even better. the full-length version seems to drag on out of focus for too long.

― Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't heard either and I've already decided I like the longer version more.

― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

finding this a bit flat so far. i prefer "Tulenkantaja".

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Actually Deej the edit is better!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 02:47 (eighteen years ago)

fuck paper tigers sounds good right now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 03:17 (eighteen years ago)

i do not like this.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

count me as a longer version better guy.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

the radio edit seems abrupt

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

"The tease is over" = ♥♥♥

― stop moving. (cis), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

Upon my first listen (to the real thing without the baby), I sort of think that a lot of the tracks could use a little clipping, too. Also, the club edit of 'Really Don't Mind' is pretty fucking awesome, I think.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

Actually Deej the edit is better!

: (

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Is it the first Luomo track to have such a straight-forward vocal part (ie. minimal cut-ups, very song-like)?

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Which, "The Tease is Over"? Probably.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

xp 'Really don't mind'

― Baaderonixx: the lost ILX years (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

The synth line that opens 'Let You Know' (except for the last note) is exactly the same progression that opens Moroder's Scarface theme. Albeit, the sounds of the synths are completely different. Just noticed that the second time I was listening to the track.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

And also, scratch that comment about the club mix. I like the edit and the album version much better. There are moments in the club mix, though.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

album mix is what i'm talking about.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

album is mixed up

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

isn't there a thread for the new album? i'm scared to search and google shows naught

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

you're looking at it

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

:'(
http://img33.echo.cx/img33/1998/untitled30qs.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

21 Luomo threads!

but not a dedicated Paper Tigers thread.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

there are quite alot of "Luomo is shit" threads, for some reason.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

lfam, it breaks my heart, but i feel the same. xxpost

― Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

I find this all very hard to believe.

― deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

i feel like i'm in bizarro 2006 luomo thread

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/3488/imtoosadtotellyouwl5.jpg

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

well, the tease is certainly over.

― Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

THAT'S WHY THEY PUT THE CRYING BABY IN ALL THE PROMOS/SOUNDCLIPS--

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

didn't want us to realize prematurely that it doesn't touch his other work.

― trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

thanks for the clarification, trees ;)

i can't even bring myself to give this another go.

― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 6 September 2006 23:09 (eighteen years ago)

Admittedly, I will be listening to "Really Don't Mind" and "Good to Be With" a bit. But that's...uh...yeah, the rest of this is not very good.

― trees (treesessplode), Thursday, 7 September 2006 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

argh, tessio is still wonderful after all these years..

― Durrr Durrr Durrrrrr, Monday, 20 October 2008 01:48 (sixteen years ago)

"baby it's alright, we'll make it better..." to the end is the most perfect music in the world imo

― aaron d.g., Monday, 20 October 2008 03:01 (sixteen years ago)

i forgot how much people liked the shorter edit of "really don't mind". i never heard it, how different is it?

― aaron d.g., Monday, 20 October 2008 03:05 (sixteen years ago)

i can't remember

― elan, Monday, 20 October 2008 05:25 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

just wondering if anyone who was disappointed by paper tigers has heard his live performance from vienna a few years ago? i think it might be my favourite luomo related thing of all,has a lot of paper tigers stuff on it but don't let that put you off,the songs really come into their own the way they're done live and i think it more than makes up for the dodgier stuff on the album.

you can download it at http://rs55.rapidshare.com/files/76514498/Luomo_-_Live___Icke_Micke_Club_Camera__Vienna_-_2007-02-23.mp3

(not sure what the rules are about rapidshare links but its just a liveset so i presume thats ok?)

― robin l, Friday, 30 January 2009 14:31 (sixteen years ago)

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