Black Acid Rock - S/D

"So Many Millions"
"Black Flowers"
"Housework"
"Monkey Dick"
"In the Cube"
"Are U With It?"

I need that Texas Funk record.

The Madhouse Serve 'Em lp is definitely in the Funkadelic vein; long phased-out rambling tracks, very stoned.

That Black Merda lp fits the bill but I don't really care for it. They were the same group that recorded "Mary Don't Take Me on No Bad Trip" for Chess, which is pretty good.

The Politicians featuring McKinley Jackson lp is definitely up there. Good rock-influenced soul, even if the fuzzboxes aren't continually set on high. Plenty of echo and a slightly wasted vibe though.

Cymande should mentioned if only for their brilliant "Dove".

He was a white guy, but you might like Harvey Mandel's early lps if you haven't heard them. Pretty darn funky and fuzzed out. Plus when I used to do a dusties type show beatheads would always call up and ask what it was when I played him.

(the correct answer is pete cosey-era miles)

what i want to know is what does demon fuzz sound like? they're called DEMON FUZZ so they have to be the greatest band ever (best band name i've seen since violence fog).

Not necessarily sounds like them, at least vocally, but the groove seems in the same ballpark as a lot of the first few Funkadelic records (for some reason, it reminds me of "I Want to Know if It's Good to You").

reads like it was an act of Black Magic rather than Black Rock

and i was able to hear a copy of James Brown's "Sho is Funky Down Here" with dave matthew's Grodeck Whipperjenny band. it sounds fab. must find these two albums.

http://aquariusrecords.org/audio/copelandyourlove.m3u

hendrix IS black acid rock, lets be real here. it's not miles in his early electric period. that stuff doesnt really rock anywhere near as much.

I mean, I know they are both *black*, there is certainly no doubt about that.

bad brains (their later allegedly budgie-inspired stuff anyway)
black heat - no time to burn
jean paul bourelly
jimmy castor bunch (early stuff)
chambers brothers - the time has come
gettovetts
headunters - survival of the fittest
mother's finest
tony williams lifetime - once in a lifetime

and dr. israel (at least the album where he covers black sabbath)

Shakey is probably referring to Mr. Wonka's screwed and chopped remix of "Rollin" featuring Cowboy Troy, and if so, of course he does have a point. Mr. Wonka's other stuff might fit here as well, actually:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0415/eddy.php

dickvandyke's post is very funny as well!!

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as for this pete cosey connection=black acid rock, that's ridiculous. just cos its by a black artist and weird, does not mean its black acid rock.

Black metal and black punk are not always psychedelic (and even less often funky, as was requested at this thread's ouset), but if you're gonna include that, this list could get REALLY long. I think the band Don is thinking of is God Forbid, who kinda suck. As do that Brooklyn band, Candiria or however you spell it. Xavion were kinda cool though. (Also, um, as anybody mentioned Prince yet? He had moments.)

I totally agree, but in Cosey's case he *did* play on "Electric Mud", and that record is cited by JasonD up top as an example of what he's lookin for sooooo... (plus Cosey's work with Miles does bear some similarity to early Funkadelic. There's a track on "On the Corner" that even bites the riff from "Super Stupid")

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as far as prince's acid rock moments: the cross perhaps?

has anyone mentioned the stand album by sly stone yet? or buddy miles? or chamber brothers (the song time, specifically)?

"And how is calling Mr. Wonka black acid rock "nonsense," Shakey?? "

I was referring more to the fact that you can't go five minutes on a thread without posting a link to yr magazine. that kind of nonsense. (I've never heard the Mr. Wonka track in question, and based on your tastes, I probably don't want to).

early ike turner/ike and tina turner belongs in this thread too.

... or mentioning your book, evidently.

Weird - My "tastes" include lots of stuff you say you like on this thread, Shakey. And how merely mentioning Mr. Wonka would tell people more than linking to somewhere where I talk about what he sounds like is beyond me. And your pointless Big and Rich namedrop deserved a response. But to each his own.

(I mentioned Mother's Finest upthread to, btw.)

Shakey: Dickvandyke mentioned my book first; I answered him. Jeez.

yeah, but your tastes also include lots of shit I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. And I think so far the only thing I really professed a liking for on this thread is Prince (tho you might deduce that I am indeed a fan of Funkadelic/Miles Davis/Electric Mud)

2nd verse of "Royal Orleans", Pagey kinda foreshadows the Rodgers chk-a chk-a. Presence is such a monster album, Bonham's finest hour.

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this thread knows no limits, in spite of the initial post's request.

which was:

>looking for the funk with liberal doses of fuzz<

i don't think many nominated records have actually ignored that, dick.

All that stuff is pre-Papa John though, so outside the remit of this thread.

early EWF
early funkadelic, or anything up to and including 1978 on the whole
sly stone circa stand
early 70s curtis mayfield
late 60s/early-mid 70s isley brothers
isaac hayes - hot buttered soul
war
mothers finest
buddy miles

etc etc

I like Dalek, too, guys! Also Techno Animal! And 2nd Gen! All those people!!

(holy crap, like 4000xpost

anyone with a headband = black acid rock!!

I've got the Dave Matthews/James Brown "Sho Is Funky Down Here," which was JB's last King LP. It's really not exactly acid-rock, more like King Crimson or something, which isn't necessarily bad.

Ulmer's "Black Rock" is pretty great in this vein. And I like the Muddy Waters and Wolf electric Chess records.

Anyway, what the hell:

RFI : Dub metal

You guys have covered Love already, right? Seems to me that Arthur Lee sounded blacker as the guitars got noisier. At least up until his '72 solo LP, which I've never heard.

(Onward I go, to Chuck's dub metal thread)

I third whoever said Blo. Also, check out the Nigeria 70 comp on Strut and the Ghana Soundz comp on Sound Way.

I was just amused that you seemingly missed the 100 or so posts where everyone just sort of goofed around and played around with the idea of the racial boundary, and you went straight after Jason's first post on the thread -- written well over a year ago -- where he was basically feeling out the territory and looking for recommendations. And you used that irritating "I don't want to [x], BUT" construction. And Chuck already made the same point you did anyway, except funnier. The whole thread had a nice arc and teleology, winding up with Jason's "perfectly fucked" comment -- and provided many laffs along the way. Don't take my silly post as anything more than another grenade lobbed in that general direction.

I'm in the Chuck/Don camp, which is to say I agree in a let-a-thousand-flowers-bloom sense with what George said on the first Funkadelic album (on two separate cuts): "Loan me yr funky mind so I can play with it, FOR NOTHING IS GOOD UNLESS YOU PLAY WITH IT."

New Kingdom rules. Justin Warfield, in my opinion, never got fucked up enough to realize he was playing music in the first place.

The Slash/GNR thang is obviously gamin' on ya, but didn't his dad do art direction for 'Court and Spark,' come to think of it? One thing to think of: Slash might well have been like Martin Chambers, who once noted that he never knew what the words to Pretenders songs were . . . which obviously never kept him from doing his job in 10/10 fashion.

that aside, im with whoever doesnt get how afrobeat is in this thread.

well actually, i dont know about chuck but im not white.

being a white guy from detroit (like, um, jack white) = less white/a different kind of white guy?

dr. israel (at least the album where he covers black sabbath)

I kept thinking I was the only one who knew about this album!

Has anyone mentioned the Veldt yet? (Besides me, right this second.)

Scott OTM about that Divine Styler album, as with the New Kingdom one.

On his debut 10 years ago, Divine's acid-drenched linguistic seminars were already fully formed— one song's centerpiece was the sound of an extremely painful childbirth. But it was 1992's Spiral Walls Containing Autumns of Light that would make Divine a household name (at least in houses where all the scary drugs were). It still stands as the most deranged and psychically damaged rap record of all time. It's a harrowing and epic tale of the war between Satan and God for Divine's soul and the inner torment he goes through in order to achieve wisdom and enlightenment . . . oh, and be careful of gothic stonecutters, too. At times funky and beautiful, there really isn't anything else like it (not even that time the Jungle Brothers were picking up bad habits from Bill Laswell). You had to worry for the man's mental health— even his mommy wonders at one point if he's "psycho-spastic."

divine himself downplays the whole "losing his mind" thing when it comes to that record. but if it was all an act, it was quite an act! divine and his krew where even grungier than the jungle brothers. they had the greatest rolling-around-in-the-dirt acid-rap look. check out everlast's "i got the knack" video for evidence. (the one where they are slam dancing and nowhere near the poetic demigod with skin that's fair.)

i love jbeez with the remedy, the last good LP they made was the raw deluxe one, but theyve fallen off terribly since then.

...so is BlackAcidRock that's WhiteAcidRock more BlackAcidRock than BlackAcidRock that's BlackAcidHipHop?

Anyway, Electrostatic and Soul Patrol are the bestest labels for all y'alls funky 45 needs. That's what I've found over the years.

I only know Carlinhos Brown from "Alfagamabetizado" and the disappointing "Omelete Man," and from his cool shit on Sergio Mendes' classic "Brasiliero," which is one of my favorite records. I'll have to give a listen to Sepultra and Soulfly...

Yeah, I bought that Perrone book back when it came out around '90. Somewhat academic but got me into Veloso, Gil, etc., even more than previous. Excellent translations of several crucial song lyrics too. I think "Livro" is the best Veloso record, along with the great "Tropicalia 2" w/ Gil from '93. Off-topic here, sorry.

Lame! sounds interesting.

(they'll probably get the cd back in stock - it was out of stock when i tried to order it, i clicked on the "send me an email" thing and they got it back in within a couple of weeks.)

One of the groups Merda shared concert bills with in California was War. Enthusiastic about the group’s unique sound and style, War offered to sign Merda to their recently established production company. A few months into the sojourn, however, Merda got a call from Chess. Faced with the opportunity to make a second record with a bigger budget (and, it should be noted, having to contend with an increasingly problematic Fugi, who’d fallen into drug addiction), Merda went back to Detroit. That decision would also prove fateful.

Merda returned to the Chess studios, this time with producer Gene Barge and new drummer Bob Crowder. It became apparent very quickly what would differentiate the group’s first and second albums. Crowder, while no hack, simply couldn’t muster the same intensity on the kit as the departed Tyrone Hite; some of the material dragged as a result. Barge, for his part, suggested adding strings to several songs to lend a slicker, more soulful vibe. The strategy wasn’t an entirely flawed one; Veasey’s chilling murder ballad, “My Mistake,” is all the eerier and more epic-feeling for its sweetly sawing violins, particularly when an unexpected (and violent) twist arrives at the end. And the three men, having grown significantly as writers since the first album, were eager to try new things. But the overall result slightly defanged the lethal Merda bite.

abandon hope all ye who enter here, etc.

Yeah, pretty much. (See, that wasn't that hard.)

Lenny Kravitz

(ducks)

i have an aces live version on a dirtbombs bootleg somewhere that goes on for *ages with the phase-y and echo effects. maybe more dub that acid, i don't know, but it *kills.

The story of the Next Morning is one of what might've been - in the late 60s guitarist Scipio Sargeant left the relatively restrictive confines of the Trinidadian scene to flex his chops in the Big Apple. His head was exploding with the sturm and drang of Hendrix and the pyschedelic wave of sounds that came in his wake, and the word soon got round that there was a new hot-shot six-string strangler in Brooklyn . Scipio linked up with another refugee from the Caribbean beat scene, Bert Bailey and pretty soon they had a band going, the Next Morning with Bert's bro', Herb on drums, keyboardist Earl Arthur and Lou Phillips on lead vocals. Trouble was they needed a bassist so Scipio deferred to Bert and went down to four strings - they were soon packing the clubs with a wild stage act - Jimi, the Who and Led Zep were obvious touchstones, they dug Sly and the Chambers Bros too, whilst Phillips' was blessed with a pair of leather tonsils that could've turned him into a black Jimbo Morrison. It was all going well and Ted Macero at Columbia had the hots for them - for a minute they thought they were going to be as big as the Beatles, but Columbia never got their act together and the band ended up on Roulette Records subsid, Calla. By then their creative fire had all but sadly vanished. Released with little fanfare back in 71 this is a straight re-ish of that eponymous one and only record - it holds up pretty good, an exceptionally tight band with some off-the-wall playing from Earl Arthur. Nowhere near as proficient a player as the others, Earl's completely wild and improvisational organ playing adds the real icing on the cake here. A shame that time ran out for them - that second album which would've allowed all their Caribbean influences to bubble out might've been a cracker.

If that's the one you know and like that's where to start!

Well, after you get past the TIME HAS COME TODAY album, there's also:

- PEOPLE GET READY FOR THE FABULOUS CHAMBERS BROTHERS - their first album, ca. '66, I think? It originally appeared on the Vault label, but I think Sundazed has reissued this on CD. Pre-"Time," and pre-psych. At this point, the brothers were basically playing rocked-up covers of R&B tunes in folk clubs like the Unicorn in Boston, or the Ash Grove in L.A. (this album compiles live shows from both venues). They recorded the title track at least three times; their version appeared here first. I actually have a slight preference for the Chambers' version over the Impressions' original!

- SHOUT! - after they became famous on the Columbia label, Vault, true to their name, kept reaching back in the archives for unused tapes. More live recordings, plus a few studio attempts at Beau Brummels-styled folk-rock (jangly guitars and all) that sound surprisingly good (particularly "It Rained The Day You Left"). I think Sundazed reissued this too.

- as far as the Columbia years, once you get past THE TIME HAS COME and any of the best-ofs, try A NEW TIME - A NEW DAY and LOVE, PEACE & HAPPINESS.

- don't pass up RIGHT MOVE on Avco (a label whose bread & butter was the Stylistics). The average person would probably smoke right past it, since it was recorded well after the band's heyday, but even as late as '75, they were still bringing it. A lot more funk influences than any of the albums that came before it, esp. on "Who Wants To Listen" and "Stealin' Watermelons" (which didn't chart when released as a 45, but was a huge hit in Chicago; go figure).

- GROOVIN' TIME on Folkways - RAW early gospel/blues recordings released in the aftermath of "Time Has Come Today." Good luck finding this, although I believe Smithsonian Folkways will dub this (or any other out-of-print Folkways title) to CD (I forget how much it costs).

Note: if you're looking for their psychedelic stuff, stick with the Columbia records. The Vault and Folkways albums are (for lack of a better description) gospel and blues with a frat-rock feel...sort of like if the Mighty Clouds of Joy were backed up by the Kingsmen. RIGHT MOVE isn't psych either, but is unmistakably rockish.

That may have seemed like a long answer to your question, but I am a Chambers Brothers FREAK - don't start me to talkin' about 'em, 'cause I'll tell everything I know!

They couldn't be any more white, but goddamn this Bee Gees "Heavy Breathing" off of "Mr. Natural" totally belongs on this thread

Blue eyed black acid

^^^great album title

I'm reminded of the time I was listening to "Man Who Sold The World" and my wife (who is foreign) asked me if Black Country Rock was a style of music.

Maybe Stoney Edwards once jammed with Mick Ronson?

I came to mention psychedelic shack but somebody already did.

Would Miles' 70s groups qualify?

Bo Diddley - Black Gladiator

"miles'" 70s groups do not qualify.

could someone please do a "chains and black exhaust part 2"?! or could y'all point me at some comps that are similarly gratifying? (btw, flipside of the blackrock track on c&be is available on the psychedelic minds vol. 1 comp.)

What disqualifies a band that did things like Agharta & Get Up With It?

the fact that there are already thousands of miles davis threads and this is about ACID ROCK, not epic noodling.

Point taken.

also "MILES'" instead of "MILES'S".

that DQ'd it for me

Wow, that's a pretty minor niggle. I should have read more upthread though--Miles is all over the place there. Anyway, I just ran across Chubby Checker's acid rock LP, which was mentioned obliquely as well. It's pretty excellent, with "My Mind" being probably the best representative.

epic noodling.

for some reason this phrase is hilarious to me right now.

Also SECOND the FUCK out of the various James "Blood" Ulmer & Sonny Sharrock recs upthread.

this is about ACID ROCK, not epic noodling.

many bands mentioned on this thread didn't play acid rock -- more like funk, soul, jazz, and/or blues with some fuzz and other psychedelic sound affects.

did a black band exist that actually tried to explore the same territory as, say, Jefferson Airplane's After Bathing at Baxter's?

funkadelic did, didn't they?

star band no. 1 - "guajira van"

they were from senegal, i believe

http://www.sendspace.com/file/c0l77d

(that's not an answer to Quantum Noise, that song is my own ultimate "search" in answer to the thread question; i've never heard anything else by that band and am almost afraid to, for fear of it either not measuring up or my own head being simply ROCKED OFF)

ok that's weird - i found some song snippets online and i think i've got the name of that song wrong! which means i've had it wrong for YEARS! does anybody know what the hell that song is that i've linked to??

funkadelic did, didn't they?

Was it the same territory or the equivalent in the realms of funk and R&B? Funkadelic was definitely influenced by Hendrix and the volume and heaviness of jammers like Vanilla Fudge. But the group's rhythms are totally different than the Airplane's on Baxter's.

Like the Airplane, many of the classic acid rock bands had their roots in folk-rock. I'm wondering if there exists any black acid rock groups that had a background commonly associated with white folkies from the mid '60s.

p-funk played plenty of acid rock so yeah i would say it was the same territory. they even played folk-rock at times! and country rock. maybe nothing they did sounded like bathing at baxter's but they were definitely exploring similar things.

"I'm wondering if there exists any black acid rock groups that had a background commonly associated with white folkies from the mid '60s."

i don't think so! but if you find any, lemme know.

nobody? :(

oh wait you've all killfiled me, haven't you.

I cannot believe I had never heard this before yesterday - absolutely awesome

Never heard of it

But i soon will.

I was really surprised by it, esp because its French. Its like the Cromagnon plus Funkadelic or something.

Now you really have got me interested. Cant believe it's anything like Cromagnon though!

that was unreadable

it is kind of obnoxious

iamthewitch had an original copy of that thing up on the bay a couple months ago (where did that guy go anyway??) ... It went for like a grand.

lolz collectors

Meh...I heard a track from these guys a coupla years back and didn't think it was anything terribly mindblowing. (I mean, they're French,, for chrissakes.) The Seth Man tends to get way-hyperbolic when lavishing praise like he does. (But I still highly value the guy's take on things - the aural and visual essentials, in every stoned detail.)

look I only linked it cuz it was the only sizable review/discussion of this album I could find after a quick search, I am not cosigning his writing style or hyperbole... but this DID pretty much leap off my stereo when I played it last night, I was totally surprised.

Guy's the king of the run-on sentence. Made me laugh, implication being that Tiger B. Smith influence is a good thing. Worthless.

iamthewitch had an original copy of that thing up on the bay a couple months ago (where did that guy go anyway??) ... It went for like a grand

Who buys the stuff? Really stupid people? Now why can't the New York Times mag do a story on these eccentrics, I ask ya.

u mad

"Epic noodling" of course has nothing to do with acid rock, which is always so nice and concise, clean and sober, bread and water--but since the threadstarter asked about Electric Mud, starring Pete Cosy, who also worked with Miles, jazz was here (and objected to), from ye posts of olde. But I suspect that anybody who's interested in this subject can find something they'd like if not love on this thread, no matter where they're coming from. I've often(not always) found Vernon Reid's attempts to rock kinda frustrating, too sluggish, but he's been performing with Jamaaladeen Tacuma and G. Calvin Weston as the Free Form Frequency Freqs--yeah, bad name, but their album, Urban Mythologies Vol. 1, is imaginative, evocative, plus thu-thu-thu-thud and even THUUMP upside your head, despite a few tracks that go on too long or too short. (Good stuff on Vernon's solo album too--blanking on title, but Gorge reviewed it in Voice).

Pete Cosey, that is, and Free Form Funky Freqs.

chico magnetic band = great, lizard reissued it on cd a while back. there's also a singles comp (cdr) on seidr, the label that did the kraftwerk k4 release and tetes lourdes comp. dude had a heavy hendrix influence but couldn't quite make it fly, it's not really anything like cromagnon in sound (maybe attitude) but funkadelic and hendrix and volkswagen-sized bales of weed... j-p massiera (of horrific child/les maledictus sound/lots of other weird shit) does some concrete/electronic bleeps and bloops on an album track and one of their singles.

(tiger b. smith = alright.)

Yeah, at least Tiger B. Smith had guitar and structure. Cromagnon is just known for being off the wall.

I found this LP in LA when I was living there. I knew that it was rare because a collector friend of mine has been trying to trade me something for it for years. I don't really sell or trade any of my Lp's unless that person has something I really want. Also, the main reason I've never taken up my friend on this offer is that the album is freaking great. Don't know about the 1000 price tag.

It's not bad actually.

Nigeria Rock Special: Psychedelic Afro-Rock & Fuzz Funk in 1970s Nigeria (Soundway) is a tourist-grabbin' title, but also accurate. Lotta variety, but lovin' the way several bands seem to use sustain vs. fast picking. First couple tracks are just okay (so far), the others tend to kill. Out yesterday.

I dunno, Don -- compared to the two other '70s Nigeria comps I heard this year (neither hyped as rock per se'), it's actually seeming, bizarrely, to rock less so far; too much cocktail fusion-funk, not enough acid-rock, unless the wrong songs just keep coming up in my CD changer, which is possible. Which are the tracks that kick the loudest?

I dunno-which are the tracks that"cocktail-fusion funk"?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Probably something or three else entirely in that hellbound CD carousel of yours)

Although come to think of it, cocktail fusion-funk might not be bad, depending on what's in the cocktails--probably a resource for a thread and DJ subgenre or "three"

But if the other two you mean are in this same series--that is, Nigeria Special: Modern Highlife, Afro-Sounds & Nigerian Blues 1970-6, and Nigeria Disco Funk Special: The Sounds of The Underground Lagos Dancefloor 1974-79--yeah, those are def worth checking out also. If you mean two others, I'd like to hear about 'em!

If you mean two others, I'd like to hear about 'em!

I meant:

(Various) – Nigeria Disco Funk Special: The Sound Of The Underground Lagos Dancefloor 1974-9 (Sound Way)

and

(Various) – Nigeria 70: Lagos Jump: Original Heavweight Afrobeat Highlife & Afro-Funk (Strut)

Haven't heard the "blue" Sound Way one yet.

uh, velvert turner group dudes. whoa. also maximillian, who don't really sound like jimi but just garage-y, snotty acid rock. both of them are post-jimi rock stuff, really, and not that funky. but they are black acid rock.

apparently there's a "soul" mix pressing of the turner album, though, with horns and stuff and less freaked out guitar.

i gotta hear both versions

http://crotchbat.blogspot.com/2009/02/black-nasty-talking-to-people-1973.html

death, "politicians in my eyes"

never heard of it until yesterday and i can't recall now which blog i grabbed it from, but it's def worth a seek

ah. drag city's putting something out. so it's making the promo rounds.

Yes, Feb. 17: Death For The Whole World To See, prev unreleased except for "Politicans In My Eyes" b/w "Keep On Knocking." Five tracks here besides those two, but doesn't seem skimpy. Does seem like demo, which it pretty much is, but they work out. Not the metal band Donna Gaines used to hang out with in the Voice, and not acid, but according to press sheet, inspired by live performances of Stooges, MC5, Alice Cooper, Led Zeppelin. And Quadrophenia convinced them it was time to tape. Don davis got them with Jim Vitti, fresh from engineering Parliament-Funkadelic, and he kept Death more like Funkadelic, although "more like riff-rocking with minimal leads at maximum beat"-- but with some distinctive turns too, 'delic of some kind on such occasions. "Politicians in My Eyes" good choice for single. Must listen heap more before any other comments. Clive wanted them to change their name as condition of contract, leader David Hackney refused, split with his sibs Bobby and Dennis, but eventually they reformed in more ways than one, as Christian rock band The 4th Movement (anybody heard that?)

i'm stoked to hear this. heard a track the other day and almost started a thread on it, but this'll do

Yeah, of the two lost black acid rock albums to (already!) emerge in 2009, I'm definitely liking the Death one (really more an EP, lengthwise) a lot more than the Wicked Witch one (witch would be EP-length too if not for its remixes.) Like them both, though -- Wicked Witch mainly for the 12-minute "Vera's Back," I think. Fave Death cuts are probably "Where Do We Go From Here???" and "Politicians In My Eyes," though I love how "You're A Prisoner" sounds so much like "7 And 7 Is" by Love (speaking of black acid).

I have that black nasty cd. Bought it 10 years ago or so. It's very good.

If you're willing to take a sidestep to jazz-rock, Alphonse Mouzon's Mind Transplant has a heavy dose of acid rock, with Tommy Bolin playing the lead guitar. It has less fusion noodling than Billy Cobham's Spectrum (where Bolin also plays), it's all about the riffs and grooves.

Yeah Tuomas, if you look all up this thread, lotta jazz-rock (and some complaints about its inclusion) right from the start. Didn't know Bolin ever recorded with those guys! Thanks for the tip. Meanwhile xhuxx, what's the story on Wicked Witch? What do they sound like?

here's a review with an audio clip
http://dustedmagazine.com/reviews/4739

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NqteDk15Ud8

http://www.dragcity.com/system/stories/primary_images/753/large.jpg?1372780317

So, of you culture vultures experienced the currently active afterlife of Death? I need to get that second comp.

DEATH IN A THEATER NEAR YOU!
posted June 28th, 2013

Four years since the release of ...For The Whole World To See, and everyone continues to talk about Death! Be it TV's morning news or the raggedy ol' USA Today, when it comes to Death, the nation is obsessed. And why wouldn't they be? An essential part of living is experiencing Death! Drag City first teamed with Death in 2009 to properly release ...For The Whole World To See for the first time since it was made back in the mid-seventies, it's total realization of what would be come punk clearly essential to anyone's collection. Ever since, having finally heard the recorded sounds of Death, the world has never been the same! Soon we released a follow up of unarchived material, Spiritual, Mental, Physical, the band brought Death to club stages around the globe, and t-shirts were printed and worn, all in the name of Death! Lately, peeps be buzzin' about the documentary, A Band Called Death, which opens in major towns across the USA this very evening, June 28th. What's more, the members of Death will make personal appearances in select cities over the weekend: tonight and tomorrow in Los Angeles, at Cinefamily, Death will perform, live! Then on Sunday, June 30th, the band appear at Cinema Village in New York for a Q&A following the screening of A Band Called Death. So perk up, America! Death is all around you, everywhere you look - catch your Death head on, and don't forget where you can best support Death - right here in the reapin' robe folds of Drag City's official online store.

No screening, just live music:

7/1/13 Le Poisson Rouge New York NY w/ Purling Hiss

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The Politicians featuring McKinley Jackson

wow, just hearing this, great record!

Really fascinating vision of rock music in that Richard Pryor video, ty for sharing

surprised there's no mention of african rock here!

two amazing compilations that are good intros

http://www.rappcats.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/african-nuggets-605x605.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RsgcSWAKL._SY355_.jpg

some highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLuGiMoisgQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs4bMuCYPAo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br0UJJAE818

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM3epv-jYxM

how about Maori acid rock. Can we talk about Maori acid rock? any Billy TK's Powerhouse fans in the house?

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:14 PM (11 years ago)

not one reply to this, smh

Does anyone know how much of an actual acid culture there was in West Africa at the time all this stuff that is now being sold as "Nigerian psych" or whatever was made?

surprised there's no mention of african rock here!

Nigeria Rock Special: Psychedelic Afro-Rock & Fuzz Funk in 1970s Nigeria (Soundway) is a tourist-grabbin' title, but also accurate. Lotta variety, but lovin' the way several bands seem to use sustain vs. fast picking. First couple tracks are just okay (so far), the others tend to kill. Out yesterday.

― dow, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:08 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dunno, Don -- compared to the two other '70s Nigeria comps I heard this year (neither hyped as rock per se'), it's actually seeming, bizarrely, to rock less so far; too much cocktail fusion-funk, not enough acid-rock, unless the wrong songs just keep coming up in my CD changer, which is possible. Which are the tracks that kick the loudest?

― xhuxk, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:29 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I dunno-which are the tracks that"cocktail-fusion funk"?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Probably something or three else entirely in that hellbound CD carousel of yours)

― dow, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:28 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Although come to think of it, cocktail fusion-funk might not be bad, depending on what's in the cocktails--probably a resource for a thread and DJ subgenre or "three"

― dow, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:35 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But if the other two you mean are in this same series--that is, Nigeria Special: Modern Highlife, Afro-Sounds & Nigerian Blues 1970-6, and Nigeria Disco Funk Special: The Sounds of The Underground Lagos Dancefloor 1974-79--yeah, those are def worth checking out also. If you mean two others, I'd like to hear about 'em!

― dow, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:42 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you mean two others, I'd like to hear about 'em!

I meant:

(Various) – Nigeria Disco Funk Special: The Sound Of The Underground Lagos Dancefloor 1974-9 (Sound Way)

and

(Various) – Nigeria 70: Lagos Jump: Original Heavweight Afrobeat Highlife & Afro-Funk (Strut)

Haven't heard the "blue" Sound Way one yet.

― xhuxk, Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:17 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

By "Disco Funk," the Africans don't nec. mean the first thing that might come to American minds, at all---but obviously, as int hat argument and others way before it, not everything on this thread is going to seem relevant to some seekers---but listen before dismissing, and like the feller said, "Come along if you can."

For more recent African music relevant to this thread, try Kononos Nº1, with their homemade instruments (from the junkyard, even) especially the debut, Congotronics. Also Tal National's amazing Zoy Zoy, which sets up problems and self-challenges in complex sonic images, and knocks 'em down, kicking out the jams indeed.

reading through this thread is so ugh, such a wasted opportunity

Kind of DOA with the garbled OP. "Black Acid Rock" = any time black people have used a fuzz pedal, and also some white people.

Lol yup

What should we be listening to?

Meanwhile Noura Mint Seymali's Tzenni is a revelation: voice, guitar, songshapes and all. Pretty good live too, apparently---from the current Rolling Outernational thread:

Noura Mint Seymali was great, god damn can her husband play guitar. loved how the opening band were Portland guys fussing over their electronic tuner pedals, and then this dude gets up and tunes his guitar to some crazy modal variation in like ten seconds, by ear.

― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Thursday, March 3, 2016 3:46 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He is great. I think I saw an interview saying that he listens to just Tuareg/Sahel region players and old Dire Straits tapes, but his sound is so much more than that-- feels psychedelic.

― curmudgeon, Friday, March 4, 2016 9:35 AM (1 month ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also Bassekou Kouyate & Ngoni Ba's Jama Ko.

This is pan-racial rather than "black" per se, but Boogarins from Brazil are pretty great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5f-Mb9dP7U

reading through this thread is so ugh, such a wasted opportunity

― Οὖτις, Monday, April 4, 2016 11:50 AM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Kind of DOA with the garbled OP. "Black Acid Rock" = any time black people have used a fuzz pedal, and also some white people.

― human life won't become a cat (man alive), Monday, April 4, 2016 11:55 AM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol yup

― Οὖτις, Monday, April 4, 2016 11:57 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haters

Chuck ruined a lot of threads afaict

"the good old days"

There's been a lot of great stuff from Africa reissued over the last 5 or 10 years.
I've seen Blo! mentioned above but don't think I've seen mention of Witch, Ofege, Edzayawa, Hedzoleh, Ngozi Family, Amanaz or several others. I dowish Orfo and the Black Company had a lot more recorded too.
Looks like Osibisa were pretty popular as an influence on African Rock. & their first 2 lps at least are worth hearing. Looks like Yes picked up on Roger Dean from them.

There's also things like the Bamako scene from the 70s the Ambassadors and the Rail band both cut long trippy tracks. STERNS have been compiling them both.
Mali also gave us Toumani Diabate who's done some really psychedelic stuff especially with the Symmetrical Orchestra.

I also really like the Luo guitarist Daniel Mirsani and Shirati Jazz. It's not really influenced by Western rock per se but comes across like a more percussive Television like weave. Lovely stuff

What should we be listening to?

there's lots of great recs on this thread tbh (everything Pete Cosey related, various Westbound stuff, the Chains n Black Exhaust comp etc.), it goes off the rails when chuck shows up

xxp

This compilation, out next Friday, is really good; the second volume will be released later in 2016, and is also great.

But it legit kind of bothers me to see all these different kinds of (often great) music being lumped together under an umbrella that seems to be based mostly on fetishizing the fact of black people doing something. I mean Daniel Misani and Shirati Jazz -- not only is that not rock or funk, but it's not even very distorted. I generally don't object loudly to Nigeria 70 type marketing because we all need a "way in" to foreign-seeming music, including myself, but I really don't get what any of this has to do with acid or rock.

sounds like you are fetishizing something white people are doing (taking acid)

i would be surprised if you really couldn't hear the similarities between the stuff i posted and "acid rock"

maybe you're not talking about the stuff i posted

but honestly, tbrr, your question about whether africans actually had LSD on hand legit bothered me

My question was about the fact that we see those musics marketed in the US as "psychedelic" because of something perceived in the sound, and because it sells, but I'm wondering whether there was actually a psychedelic scene to speak of among bands in, say, Lagos in the 60s/70s. I legit don't know, it wasn't a rhetorical question.

Definitely not fetishizing acid.

More just wondering if the label fits or if it's something we're projecting onto it.

Fela smoked a lot of weed.

that's all I got.

ok yeah, to answer your question, these bands were self-consciously imitating stuff like jimi hendrix, cream, and so on,, dressed like hippies, referenced drugs in their music, etc

BLO, WITCH, ofege, people's rock outfit, ngozi family, etc were all trying to do psychedelic rock in the honest sense of the word

yeah now listening the stuff you posted fits

Yeah was just going to say that the interview in the linernotes to Ofege's Try And Love refers to a psych-rock scene they were consciously part of.

I find Shirati Jazz's hypnotic percussive melodicism pretty psychedelic after decades of listening to psych. I hope other people hearing it have the same reaction. So hope people get to hear about them.

Yeah, and Jerry Garcia said, "Acid music is whatever music you listen to on acid"---really listen to, or try to---and also, once you're relatively clean and sober, whatever music takes you on a trip, which is not so easy a task for rock these days, when so much of it, no matter how "wild," soon fits so tightly into some historical slot---but old and new music from Africa, Latin America, and Asia can still pull my old jaded cratedigger ears into some new views (at least in passing) of glories long faded, and ones I was still totally unfamiliar with, whether I knew that or not. Psychedelic, not nec. "psych." But something with rock appeal, expansive and immersive---not something to fall asleep into--for me, drones can be tricky---but uhhhh, kaleidosopic deep focus, and I'll leave it at that (for now).

Also some old and new music from America, Canada, Europe, Middle East can still get me going sometimes--- Rachid Taha's Made In Medina still sounds like a (tuneful) psychedelic blowtorch, for instance.

kaleido*scop*ic deep focus, that is---damn, sorry!

the current line-up of Death, w 2 out of 3 originals, ain't bad, judging by last year's N.E.W. It's no Death...For The Whole World To See, but what is, nowadays? Not too many new/robustly maintained sources for that kind of sound, however you tag it. Hope to catch them on this tour--from Drag City News, so adjust your hype shades accordingly:

What's harder to accept - that three African-American brothers in mid-70s Detroit channeled proto-punk music in total obscurity and weren't TRULY heard doing so for over thirty years - or that it's been over seven years since we all finally got it with the release of For the Whole World to See? Both spans of time seem interminable, and yet, the freshness of Death's music has sustained them through the years of touring since then, supplemented by two additional archival releases and last year's all-new album (yeah, N.E.W.). The recognition has rolled in waves ever since then, but even YOUR cynical ass (what happened to you?) has got to recognize that the honoring of Death in the official Smithsonian African American History Museum in Washington, DC is pretty fucking amazing!

The museum will display the story of DEATH from their days in as a young band in the '70s and showcase their incredible (-ly unknown at the time) evolution in rock n roll music! On September 24th the opening ceremony features a dedication from President Barack Obama and the First Lady Michelle Obama. And hey - this thing is open to the public, so let's all be there, shall we? The Smithsonian will be celebrating this inaugural event all throughout our nation's capital. The ceremony starts at 9am, so get your rest - the night concludes with a Death performance at The Black Cat!

DEATH doesn't stop there, though - with another date in Philadelphia, a trip Las Vegas AND a European tour on the horizon it's safe to say DEATH are is STILL ready for the Whole World To See...them!
DEATH ON TOUR!

8/26 at Psycho Las Vegas in Las Vegas, NV
9/24 at Black Cat in Washington, DC
9/26 at World Cafe Live in Philadelphia, PA
9/29 at Toneladas in Valencia, Spain
9/30 at Caracol in Madrid, Spain
10/1 at Hyttrao in Athens, Greece
10/2 at Moth Club in London, UK
10/2 at Lido in Berlin, Germany
10/5 at Locomotiv Club in Bologna, Italy
10/6 at Marula Cafe in Barcelona, Spain
10/7 at Doka in San Sebastian, Spain
10/8 at Helldorado in Vitoria, Spain
DEATH ONLINE:
Drag City- http://www.dragcity.com/artists/death

Info on artists and events on this site, whether you want the app or not:
http://afropunkfest.com/brooklyn/afropunk-fest-app/

Jim Fusilli's AfroPunk '16 coverage still behind the WSJ paywall currently, but here's his playlist:

https://play.spotify.com/user/wsjrock/playlist/6duxTIuzsUwvW9bObbarAe?play=true&utm_source=open.spotify.com&utm_medium=open

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrdVhDyW8AEnjVg.jpg

If can't see it, says:

Burnt Sugar The Arkestra Chamber Plays Ornette, Sunny, Wayne & Sugar

Sept 10 The Bop Stop @The Music Settlement Cleveland OH

A territory band....a society music guild aspiring to the condition of all that is molten, glacial, racial, Spacial, oceanic, mythic, antiphonal, and telepathic.

Warning---more excited Drag City prose a head (these guys are getting a lot closer geographically speaking than I ever thought they would):

DEATH'S CEASE FIRE/TAKE IT BACK SOUTHERN TOUR

Detroit, Michigan's DEATH is living proof that raw talent, ambition and honesty WILL prevail in an ever changing music industry - stick n' poke that to your arm! DEATH was conceived by band leader and guitarist David Hackney (1952-2000) in 1973. Although no one at the time would disagree that the unique Rock-N-Roll sound of DEATH was revolutionary, revolutionary enough in fact to be included in the new African American History Museum at Smithsonian in Washington DC. But you already know this! Since the rediscovery of DEATH in 2009, the band has wisely chosen their tour routes to bring their fun loving, proto-punk-rocking jams to fans of all ages in all places!

Next month DEATH are at it again, this time escaping the frigid winter of Vermont and heading down south for warm temperatures and red hot fandom. The revolution of DEATH is alive and well, and with the release of
N.E.W. still resonating in our brains, who knows what the band will have in store on this trip! This is the first time in a LONG time that DEATH has toured the southeast, so don't miss out!

2/9/17 at Gramps in Miami, FL*
2/10/17 at Local 662 in Tampa, FL*
2/11/17 at The Wilbury in Tallahassee, FL*
2/13/17 at Will's Pub in Orlando, FL
2/17/17 at Siberia in New Orleans, LA
2/18/17 at Saturn in Birmingham, AL
2/19/17 at Exit/In in Nashville, TN
2/20/17 at The Earl in Atlanta, GA

*w/ Jacuzzi Boys

DEATH Online:
Drag City-http://www.dragcity.com/artists/death
Official Site-http://deathfromdetroit.com/
Twitter-https://twitter.com/thedeathband
Facebook- https://www.facebook.com/deathworldwide/?fref=ts
Instagram-https://www.instagram.com/deathworldwide/

There's supposed to be a section on African Rock in the latest Vernon Joynson A Melange of Musical Pipedreams and Pandemonium.
Has anybody read it and can they tell me how good that section is.
I'm looking for a good source o the subject anhd am in 2 minds about buying this,. I have the previous version of this Australia, Commonwealth, Japan, South America etc etc book Dreams, Fantasies and Nightmares from Faraway Lands Revisited so wondering if i need to splurge again.

Thanks for the mention of those, well try to check them out. Algiers' debut is a ghost train express in a
soul mine (or "post-gospel", as some say); The Underside of Power takes it to a scary-sublime roller coaster.

Both are bad trip good trip bad trip good and continuing.

So has n obody picked up taht latest Vernon Joynson book. Thought at least somebody here might have.
Were dow's comments intended to be on this thread?

Yep. Also digging Araminta by Harriet Tubman: veteran jazz-rock-etc. power trio x trumpet of Wadada Leo Smith, who's more consistently aggressive (or less passive-agressive) than electric Miles, though some of it might be descended from Jack Johnson and/or something else involving Sonny Sharrock, though no keyboards or any instruments beyond those of trio and intermittent guest---they got pedals etc., no need for more. Not sure about some of the fades yet, but some killer tracks like "Nina Simone", with sonic knives all around, as in her dreams (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you). Also they could be part of her armory; she could get pretty militant on concert tapes.
Some other tracks here: http://sunnysidezone.com/album/araminta

Somebody torrented one of teh Harriet Tubman lps a couple of months back. I hadn't come across them before that.

But at the moment I really want to find out about that book before spending €40+ on it.

Burnt Sugar The Arkestra Chamber's All You Zombies Dig The Luminosity incl. elements of jazz and hip hop/use of tape effects (in fact the whole thing might be tape, sound quality/ambience/timbre etc not quite the bandcamp usual)m but def black acid rock, in fact it pertains to The Electric Kool=Aid Acid Test's distinction between Leary & co.'s set and setting (preparing mind and its surroundings for thee trip) vs. Merry Pranksters' WHEE HONK HONK HAPPY BIRTHDAY LET'S GO LET GO UH-OH, complete with untrained honking ect. because no matter how carefully you groom, you don't know what's around the next turn, and being a control freak can make it worse---or that's the idea anyway.
Not quite the same here, because, as a prodigal Prankster eventually observes on the book, Kesey and his favorites could be like high school golden boys etc,, and this album conveys more of a sense of something precarious, something at stake on both sides. The punk stakes a claim to "My Black Uncertainty", gets equally powerful push-back from "Throw Some Light", cosmic ballads meet guitar skidmarks upside the heart and "Quoth The Raven" and two versions of "Are U Insane?" Not a rhetorical question. Also, what's with put-downs of gentrification if you're from the projects or just can't take upward mobility or even running place for granted anymore, no matter where you're from. Or is that just bullshit rationalization, also(that one gets pushback in the same song). Anyway, science friction etc(zombies can be strength in numbers btw, or that's a suggestion here):
https://burntsugarthearkestrachamber.bandcamp.com/album/all-you-zombies-dig-the-luminosity

"prodigal Prankster observes in the book," I meant. Think it's Sandy who leaves and comes back and sees things this way now, the jocks and the cheerleaders and the geeks and so on (and if you ever catch any of the Pranksters' posted home movies, when they're playing on the beach and cavorting on the bus and so on, can seem just like his take).

Not that they didn't take things pretty far.

(that one gets pushback in the same song): maybe not in the words, not all of which I've caught, but the sound, the very electric instrumental activity vs. quiet voice.

If this link doesn't work, search YouTube for: DEATH--Live in Paris!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DPGADAkT3I

dig this: Various – Function Underground: The Black And Brown American Rock Sound 1969-1974. it's on spotify!

stumbled across it while making a lil playlist for myself via "maggot brain" thread.

Thank you, budo jeru!!!

my take on this

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/33GgBJIeeEpMnnGkjPytx4?si=406795f9b3c1491c

tysm, I've heard very little of that!