Good Charlotte: Classic or Dud?

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I say Classic!!!

― sweaty guy, Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

hahaha if only you guys knew who this really was

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 20:59 (twenty-two years ago)

strangely compelling. i kind of enjoy watching such a head-on collision of mediocrity and ambition as their new album.

― Al (sitcom), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Heh. I'm with Jess. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha.

I saw them on this video request channel they were showing at the pub where we last played. If you imagine, say, minor threat as this brand new bar of kid's soap, in a fancy shape, lika a chevrolet corvette or a skateboard or something. Good Charlotte are that same bar of soap after it's been used at bathtime for s.th. like 2 weeks regularly, and it's worn down to this kind of smooth shapeless oval/teardrop thing. I thought they were rubbish.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:11 (twenty-two years ago)

alex in NYC to thread.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:13 (twenty-two years ago)

My opinion on Good Charlotte (ultimately sheep in wolves' clothing) has been well documented on other threads. If you like them, I pity you.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Did anybody see their video, they all show up like punks and scum and being all 'judged for their appierance' bollox. how about them sounding like blink 182? but then they wouldn't be showing on TV if they sounded like Crass would they? their images and what they appier to be seem sooo remotely disconnected.

― rexJr., Thursday, 8 May 2003 21:49 (twenty-two years ago)

to sum it up:
looking Punkah and sounding nerdy - dud
looking nerdy and sounding Punkah - CLASSIC

― rexJr., Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

they are all experts at putting their hands close to the camera for a fish-eye effect.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The video for "lifestyles of the rich and famous" had Chris Kirkpatrik out of 'Nsync in it. For that alone, they are classic.

― cis (cis), Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:47 (twenty-two years ago)

No, they aren't. Even if the video featured a live crucifixion shot of Justin Timberlake, they wouldn't be classic.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 8 May 2003 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

their images and what they appier to be seem sooo remotely disconnected.

On that note, it should be noted that the band has just re-released its eponymous debut from 2000.

The original cover:
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00004YC1G.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

The re-released cover:

http://images.bestbuy.com/mimages/music/1107/11075896.jpg

Notice anything different? The photo of the boys looking more like less "credibly Punk" has been excised in favor of simply the logo.

Revisionism anyone?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The photo of the boys looking more like less "credibly Punk" has been excised....

Me talk right one day. That should've read: The photo of the boys co-opting the Lit/Sugar ray vibe (as opposed to their current Varukers/GBH vibe) has been excised.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

And fuck you too Guns N' Roses!

― Alex in NYC (SF) (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't do that.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Changing covers = massive conspiracy to fool punk kids in yr world yes, Alex?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:22 (twenty-two years ago)

For whoever didn't see it when I posted it on another thread, here's Robert Christgau offering his Good Charlotte opinion in the *Village Voice* show-preview-listings section, a couple weeks ago: "Quite possibly the most hated pop punk band in history, and for what? Some authenticity standard that's a lot dumber than they are. They tailor their big sound to the ordinary kids who need it. Their tunes are accessible, their lyrics direct, their expressions of anger and alienation apt and experienced. Give them a fucking chance."

I don't really have a Good Charlotte opinion myself anymore, but I do gotta say it's annoying how EASY a target they're becoming. All the people whining about how they're not a "real" punk band make me WANT to like them. More people seem to complain about their haircuts than their music. So maybe I'll even make Anthony Miccio happy one of these days, and go back and listen to my kid's copy of the record.

― chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

go back and listen to my kid's copy of the record.

A sly little dig right there, if you want to interpret it that way.

Their music sucks, by the way....regardless of what they wear.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I know lots of little kids that like them. Is there something automatically bad about music kids like? I'd say there's something automatically good about music kids like, but whatever. "Anthem" is really good, the other song was pretty dumb.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Is there something automatically bad about music kids like?

They don't know any better and have lower standards.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

>>Is there something automatically bad about music kids like?
They don't know any better and have lower standards.<<

Horseshit. And the Moody Blues were better than "Sugar Sugar," right?

― chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

And the Moody Blues were better than "Sugar Sugar," right?

Depends on which track.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The first record I bought was Iron Maiden; I guess you're right.

― Kris (aqueduct), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

My first record was Iron Maiden too. Powerslave?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"Kids" = too broad a term. What age group are we really talking about? Toddlers? Pre-teens? Teens? Late-adolescents?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:44 (twenty-two years ago)

My first record was Dressed to Kill by Kiss. Still listen to it today.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Iron Maiden???? Wow, maybe kids have worse taste than I thought.

And *Dressed to Kill* basically IS an Archies record, for crissakes (even if they should've broken up after their debut album, where they used up almost all of their memorable riffs.)

― chuck, Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

dude
the reason i hate good charolette has NOTHING to do with PUNK and EVERYTHING to do with the way they SOUND.

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

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― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

When I was a kid I loved Sebadoh. QED.

― Adam A. (Keiko), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)

and my first record was liscense to ill

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

DJ SONIC JESUS likes Good Charlotte?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, you're worrying me with your Archies fixation.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

haha read harder alex (in sf)

― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 8 May 2003 23:57 (twenty-two years ago)

"My first record was Iron Maiden too. Powerslave?"

Number of the Beast. I'm pretty sure my second one was "License to Ill".

― Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

my second record was dare to be stupid

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

You're all so young!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, i neglected to mention i was 33 then.

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Crud Charlotte.

I dont care about all this 4real punXor nonsense. I just don't think they're a very good pop band.

However. I would like to see them on the streets where I hope they wouldn't last a week.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The fact that Mike Watt appeard in the video for "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" depresses me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Mike Watt's performance in front of the Savage Republic reunion show in November was depressing, too.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 9 May 2003 00:27 (twenty-two years ago)

If you've read any of my posts, you might expect me to fall hard on GC, but I won't. They are from Waldorf, Md. a completely depressing place chocked full of strip malls, malls and created communities. They are lucky they formed a band instead of hanging out behind the 7-11 smoking blunts laced with pcp.
They NEVER had any interest in being anything but a major label act, they wanted to make videos, sell a million and be on TRL. They are as punk as my grandmother's doll collection but they managed to do everything they wanted and they keep tattoo artists in business. The twins also bought their mom a house.
Who are they hurting?

― Brandon Welch (Brandon Welch), Friday, 9 May 2003 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Charlotte is yet another band off the pseudo-pop punk (you can pretty much remove the term 'punk' though, as it's not even remotely a representation of that genre) assembly line...corny songwriting, whiny boy vocals...haven't we heard this before?

And didn't we not care then?

they suck.

― Rob DelMedico, Friday, 9 May 2003 01:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, people, stop blaming the kids. I'm younger than, like 90% of this thread, and you don't see me listening to Good Charlotte. Meanwhile, my ex-boyfriend, FDNY, was like 32 and fucking loved Good Charlotte.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 01:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Also, if I'm reading jess right, starting threads to argue with yourself is SO GAY. I mean, I wouldn't even do that when I was at my most bored, c'mon.

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:03 (twenty-two years ago)

dud!

― Andrzej B. (Andrzej B.), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe it's Alex in NYC's pre-teen son who started this THREAD!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:21 (twenty-two years ago)

http://movieweb.com/movie/starwars/rotj2.jpg

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:23 (twenty-two years ago)

but which is the dark side?

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Ally wins.

― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Friday, 9 May 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Who's more worthy of the title "Grand Punk Railroad": Good Charlotte, New Found Glory, or Sum 41?

― Nick Mirov (nick), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i have never heard this band, but the whole 'music for kids' thing is interesting. i like about 50% of what i listened to when i was a teenager, and the other half blows. why should i listen to Good Charlotte if the adult me thinks they suck? what's wrong with the idea that you actually grow up, and that even pop music can produce good things that don't appeal to 14 year olds?

― Dave M. (rotten03), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright, alright....I slightly recant my earlier comment about kids ("They don't know any better and have lower standards."),...although I still think it's a defensible point. They DON'T any better. But, some might argue, they don't CARE! And that's fine...my only problem in the case of Good Charlotte is that they are borrowing wholesale from the iconography of an earlier era of Punk Rock, yet playing music that is as watered down and devoid of the definite article's spark, edge and sensibility as can be. They're hijacking the image of Punk Rock, but using it to sell a shallow, anaemic knock-off of it.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

whoops, that irate assertion should read: They DON'T know any better.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 06:09 (twenty-two years ago)

I like their latest single.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 9 May 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

my sisters boyfriend is in love with this band. i threw him out of my house for bashing Durutti Column. Trying to tell me that Good Charlotte is better than anything Durutti Column has ever put out. I asked him if he ever listened to Durutti Column and he said no. I followed it up with a "get out".

― Chris V. (Chris V), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

anthony miccio to thread

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Friday, 9 May 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

What bothers me the most about them(apart from them being worse than sugar ray) is, they take a subject(re "life styles..") wich seems they have nothing in common with, and than turn it into novelty, sorta like its really important for them to deliver the "message".
kinda like Milli Vanilli lip syncing, kid rock rapping about being brought up in a tuff neighborhood. the point where novelty becomes fakery.

― rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous was terrible; but I love Girls and Boys. I don't have an opinion on 'Good Charlotte' per se: is that terribly wrong of me? Just another pop band. I can see why people might want to turn them into the new 'Avril' as something against which to assert your own 'credibility' but I really can't see the fucking point.

― alext (alext), Friday, 9 May 2003 11:43 (twenty-two years ago)

"I don't really have a Good Charlotte opinion myself anymore, but I do gotta say it's annoying how EASY a target they're becoming. All the people whining about how they're not a "real" punk band make me WANT to like them. "

Chuck, you (and Xgau) basically summed up my feelings on Avril Lavigne. Stay tuned to SOTC in the coming weeks...

As for GC, they're neither classic nor dud IMO.

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Friday, 9 May 2003 13:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Dude, jess, clearly Alex is Vader; I mean would Luke Skywalker use all that BOLD TEXT??

― Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 9 May 2003 13:22 (twenty-two years ago)

luke skywalker, sweaty dude

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

bite my ass you closeminded posers. ANYBODY can tell these guys dress like Rancid but sound like more like Third Eye Blind (possessed with the brain of a less strident, naive-in-a-different-way Minor Threat-era Ian MacKaye). Why do you think that's perceptive?

I have already talked about these guys enough.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:30 (twenty-two years ago)

one thing I'd add to my original rant is that the title track ain't redundant at all. In fact, the anti-critic screams sound more justified with each listen (especially since they question the value of their lives right afterwards, something fellow-critic-targets 311 really should have done).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:32 (twenty-two years ago)

their lives=madden bros. lives, not critics. they're not pulling a Chuck D guess-the-crew-did-it thing.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

ANYBODY can tell these guys dress like Rancid but sound like more like Third Eye Blind

A good point, and one I'll swiftly support, though Rancid themselves copped their whole aesthetic from the Exploited et al.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, you are the Blackwell of ILM.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

>>though Rancid themselves copped their whole aesthetic from the Exploited et al.<<

Oh come on.

They took their HAIRCUTS from the Exploited, if that. (Or do the Exploited have all kindsa sweet pretty melodies I've never heard?) And how original were the Exploited anyway? (Actually, if "et. al." means "the Clash and Specials", tho, you might have a point. Though those bands copped big chunks of their aesthetic from Slade and Desmond Dekker, I guess. Who might not have been originals, either.)

And Third Eye Blind are better than the Exploited were, anyway. (Tho
not better than the 4 Skins or Rudimentary Peni, maybe. I forget.)

― chuck, Friday, 9 May 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

especially since they question the value of their lives right afterwards, something fellow-critic-targets 311 really should have done
their lives=madden bros. lives, not critics. they're not pulling a Chuck D guess-the-crew-did-it thing.

Well thats the only explenation about them that makes sense. but one problem remains, the first thing that hit my mind was how awful was that track, how bands like Lit and Sugar Ray did it much better(i ain't no fan of Lit and Sugar Ray).

― rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Rexjr, what element makes those groups do "it" better for you, since you're no fan of theirs. Sugar Ray, who never even did anything in this style until their more recent work, seem more focused on individuals girls, not being young and disaffected. And Lit always seemed like horrific assholes. What exactly is the "it" you're referring to.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 20:58 (twenty-two years ago)

punk-pop anthony? their tracks seem more tolerable and even richer than "lifestyles" wich sounds poor,week,empty to me.

And Lit always seemed like horrific assholes
I'll second that.

― rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-two years ago)

and the lyrics can be taken in two ways, its not a coin. either they're critisising everybody around them or/and just question the value of their own lives. its frankly not much different than madonna.

― rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 21:31 (twenty-two years ago)

You can take a piece of shit and say it's the champion of the people and people will react. But it still doesn't change the fact that it's a piece of shit.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:33 (twenty-two years ago)

They took their HAIRCUTS from the Exploited, if that.

I should've been clearer -- Rancid appropriated their *VISUAL* style from the Exploited et al. ("et al" meaning GBH, Crass, Discharge, etc.)

(Or do the Exploited have all kindsa sweet pretty melodies I've never heard?)

Uh....no, not really, although "sweet" and "pretty" are conceivably relative terms.

And how original were the Exploited anyway?

Well, they probably owe Sham 69 a debt or two....

(Actually, if "et. al." means "the Clash and Specials", tho, you might have a point.

Rancid completely owe their *SOUND* to those two bands, you are spot-on, Chuck!

Though those bands copped big chunks of their aesthetic from Slade and Desmond Dekker, I guess.

Not quite sure about the Slade part (weren't the Clash bigger fans of Mott than Slade?) but yeah....

And Third Eye Blind are better than the Exploited were, anyway. (Tho not better than the 4 Skins or Rudimentary Peni, maybe. I forget.)

Well, Third Eye Blind and the Exploited are completely apples and oranges -- they make very different musics for very different audiences predisosed to different emotions, sensibilities, etc. But, strictly as "music as universal language," Third Eye Blind are probably a good deal more capable than the Exploited of a broader range of musical options.

Rudimentary Peni are, in their own little community, vastly overrated.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

rexJr, I wasn't talking about "Lifestyles," but the title track of the album. Have you heard the whole thing?

Carey, who gave you asshole pills today? You like the Doves. Nyeh.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:38 (twenty-two years ago)

like I said someone stole my name. It wasn't me.
blah blah blah reno blah blah blah no hands no computer how could i do it.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:39 (twenty-two years ago)

I'v mentioned it before that "Lifestyles" was the reason of me not hearing anything else by them.

― rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry, Rexjr, I thought you were commenting on the band based on more than the hearing of one song.

Carey, you're a not-even-heard-the-whole-album-would-like-them-if-they-were-tall-british-guys-with-big-eyes-asshole. :p

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, I am Anthony. Yes. I. Am.

― Carey (Carey), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(re "life styles..")
I'v mentioned it above that i was commenting on the single and NOT the entire album or their ENTIRE output.

― rexJr., Friday, 9 May 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Rexjr, the stuff of mine you quoted was about a different song, hence I thought you heard it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:50 (twenty-two years ago)

>>Not quite sure about the Slade part (weren't the Clash bigger fans of Mott than Slade?)<<<

Theoretically. But the gang shouts (and the reggae, believe it or not), were presaged by Slade, not Mott (who I love, don't get me wrong.) "All the Young Punks" does have something or other in common with "All the Young Dudes," though, I suppose. I just forget what.

― chuck, Friday, 9 May 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Good point, Chuck.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 9 May 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Charlotte are awful, to put it mildly. Yet another band created by record companies to cash in on the teen angst power pop flavor of the month. Not that there's anything wrong with cashing in. The only problem I have with bands like them is that the music sucks.

The older I get (38) the more I think rock/pop/punk whatever hit it's peak in the late 70's - early 80's. I'll take the Clash and the Ramones and Stiff Little Fingers over any of the popular music today.

― Davlo (Davlo), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Rudimentary Peni are, in their own little community, vastly overrated.

This is my favorite sentence of the whole thread.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

dude weren't R.Peni like 15 when they released their first ep's???
c'mon they totally OWNED the exploited, crass and all other 25 yr old punxorz at the time.

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)

+ their artwork is timeless.

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

they were the eater of peace punk

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

ok i love the zounds and the cravits

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:49 (twenty-two years ago)

obvious r peni is streets and streets ahead of crass who were just terrible

― jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

JESS, they were not!

― chaki (chaki), Friday, 9 May 2003 23:54 (twenty-two years ago)

wait, did crass do "yes sir, i will"? i used to play the shit outta that in college to piss off my roommate. i change my vote to classic!

― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 10 May 2003 00:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, they did, so hurrah! Peace is established. The goon who reviewed most all of the Crass albums on the AMG can be ignored. ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 01:01 (twenty-two years ago)

the names crass not clash you can take your punk credentials and shove em up your ass.

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 01:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Punk is just another word for prison bitch.
And Good Charlotte is punk.

― Ex-Tennis Star, Saturday, 10 May 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Crass was so much better than Rudimentary Peni! That's not even a fair contest!

What's wrong with Number Of the Beast? You don't like "Hallowed Be Thy Name"?

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Saturday, 10 May 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

They're okay. I'd rather talk about Iron Maiden though!

My first Maiden album was Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 10 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

ever notice how so many of folks on here tend to write several sentences about all the non-musical elements that piss them off about Good Charlotte and then write "that wouldn't bother me if the music didn't suck." It seems odd that they can say a lot about what allegedly DOESN'T matter, but when it comes to what allegedly DOES, they suddenly turn into unenlightening Buttheads.

And Iron Maiden are the kings of suck, there are none higher, sucker thrash bands should call them sire.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

ther musik aint nerly as good as the show dat dey have on mtv - they should become moviestars -LIFESTYLLLES$~!#%^

― req rei umm, Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

The American Busted. Their new one is good!

― Cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 May 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

And Iron Maiden are the kings of suck

Okay Anthony, now I'm REALLY going to tease you. Iron Maiden the kings of suck???? They are the epitome of 80s virtuoso demon metal! I will have a soft spot for any group that does songs about Satan, dogfighting and epic poetry with musicians trained at the Royal Academy.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

man Iron Maiden WERE FUNKY. they get my ass shakin like no other. i aint bein funny either.

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:07 (twenty-two years ago)

you know in Sixteen Candles how Molly Ringwald notes that Anthony Michael Hall being king of the nerds SORTA makes him cool? Same thing with Iron Maiden. I saw a live DVD thing that was kind of so bad it's good, but SO BAD is a necessarily element to their thing. I doubt I could listen to an album, hell a SONG all the way without friends to laugh with and the sight of them PASSIONATELY doing that dumbass thing they do. Without visuals, they're indeed the Kings Of Suck.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

wow...

― chaki (chaki), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

what Chaki finds funky I find funny and chunky.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

That's a strange way to talk about peanut butter.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 May 2003 19:34 (twenty-two years ago)

This settles it, Ant is insane.

― Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 10 May 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

My first Maiden album was Seventh Son of a Seventh Son.

Novice!

And Iron Maiden are the kings of suck

Do not EVER talk to me again. Do not EVER address me again. If you see me coming down the street, AVERT YOUR GAZE or, better yet, CROSS THE STREET. Do not befoul the oxygen we might momentarily share by speaking. You do not exist to me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 11 May 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh shit.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 12 May 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think Anthony and I ever agreed about the unfunkiness of anything before, but he's dead-on about Iron Maiden -- if anything, they never amounted to much more than a louder, uglier, way less tuneful version of Jethro Tull with whatever little funkiness (via jazz fusion) Tull had taken out. Easily one of the most unlistenable supposedly important bands in the history of rock. I have yet to hear a SINGLE song by them that I enjoyed, EVER. Or that rocked me at ALL. And all their idiotic mythology bullshit was done more beautifully by scores of prog-rock bands, and more rockingly by scores of metal bands, BEFORE them. So yeah, "kings of suck" sounds just about right.

I also just remembered that Third Eye Blind's best song, "Losing a Whole Year," sounds more like Mott The Hoople (or at least solo Ian Hunter) than anything the Clash ever did. (And wow, didn't some Iron Maiden moron cover a Mott or Ian song on some solo LP once? Weird.)

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 14:48 (twenty-two years ago)

didn't some Iron Maiden moron cover a Mott or Ian song on some solo LP once?

Mr. Dickinson covered "All the Young Dudes," so Mott/Bowie I guess. The video was craptacular.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Easily one of the most unlistenable supposedly important
bands in the history of rock.

Oh, and Kix are so great, right?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

(settles in for a nice, long ILM war of words to deter her from doing any work this morning.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 12 May 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Chaki's belief that there was any funk involved with Iron Maiden is singularly his own. I doubt Messrs. Harris, Dickinson, Murray, Smith et al. would ever claim to be flag-bearers of the funk in the slightest. That said, I doubt they'd decry his shakin' his ass to them, but y'know....whatever mows your lawn.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:01 (twenty-two years ago)

dude... you guys... WRAITHCHILD

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

there's no "i" in "Wrathchild"

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>and Kix are so great, right?<<<

Just better than about 99.99 percent of rock bands since 1980; no big deal, I suppose. (*Especially* if early Cars + early AC/DC doesn't mow your lawn. Though Kix have their Hooplish moments too, actually.)

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

even when i was a little boy, Iron Maiden's sound appealed to me because they had a GROOVE.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm not feeling their funk either, but I got your back on this one Alex. Sure their whole image was kinda goofy in retrospect, but there is to be no disrespect for Maiden, ever. And certainly not from people who wished heavy metal never left the 70s.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Just better than about 99.99 percent of rock bands since 1980

And with that, the considerable burden of credibility was lifted from Chuck's aching shoulders.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 15:35 (twenty-two years ago)

>>there is to be no disrespect for Maiden, ever. And certainly not from people who wished heavy metal never left the 70s.<<

The first sentence about really creeps me out, though I hope it's a joke. Either way, I should add that the mythology and operatic vocal bullshit has been done both more rockingly AND more beautifully than Maiden by scores of dark-metal (and other kinds of metal) bands AFTER them, as well. (Including lots and lots of bands -- from Voivod to Guns N Roses to beyond -- that claim Maiden as an *influence*!) So it ain't just the '70s that blows them out of the water, believe me. (Partly, it's just that they're VERY VERY EASY TO IMPROVE ON.)

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

>>The first sentence about really creeps me out,<<<

I meant "the first sentence above." (I.E. Anybody who thinks that there's ANY music that I'm not allowed to disrespect is, uh, wrong.)

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, thanks to your earlier post I can't get "Look Away" by Chicago out of my head. I doubt this was your intention.

And Chuck, I don't know why you decided that because I don't like certain honky voices (Rob "Gangsta Barker" Aston, Justin "Urkel Soul" Timberlake) I'm incapable of finding the funk.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 12 May 2003 16:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Partly, it's just that they're VERY VERY EASY TO IMPROVE ON.

So Maiden as a starter band if you like? Hm...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 May 2003 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Either way, I should add that the mythology and operatic vocal bullshit

You've obviously never listened to the first two Maiden albums (pre-Bruce). I'm not saying you'd like them, but they have fuck-all to do with mythology or operatic vox.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Certainly there are lots of bad things to say about Iron Maiden (Bruce's vocals, the bad lyrics, the Eddie gimmick, some filler material on even their best albums, the post-'87 albums and the endless ripoff reissues and live cds) but at the end of the day they're in the same league as AC/DC, the Ramones and Motörhead: goofy and dated, but essentially beyond criticism in the most benign way possible.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The biggest problem with Iron Maiden is the way the instruments are mixed; there's too much bass and vocals and not enough anything else. I think their best moments are pretty spectacular though.

― Kris (aqueduct), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Except that AC/DC, the Ramones, and Motorhead (all of whom have made some bad records, by the way, and all of whom are really only beyond criticism to those who choose not to criticise them) at least all played rock'n'roll music. You know, with a backbeat and stuff.

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 18:17 (twenty-two years ago)

>>but essentially beyond criticism in the most benign way possible<<

No. One's. Safe. (Honestly, that's a really ridiculous claim to make.)

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Certainly there are lots of bad things to say about Iron Maiden.......the Eddie gimmick

http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/Images/eddieanimated.gif

WHHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTTTT???????

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh OK, you're right Kris, Maiden records are mixed abjectly into this weird ultra-lite sound. And, yes, their lyrics were bad. In fact, they're more nostalgia than anything. B-b-but "Hallowed Be Thy Name"! "Flight Of Icarus"! "Aces High"! Actually they're a very Hongro band for me. To get into them now I need to listen just for the (vocal and guitar) melodies (which really were pretty classic much of the time) and overlook other stuff like the weak sound/production or the lyrics. Eddie - maybe the best thing about them at the end of the day - and the voice were both classic though.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(This whole 'funk' thing does seem a bit of a red herring though.)

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

thats just my thing.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)

BTW I saw the "Blow My Fuse" video on the Power Hour a week or two ago. It's not that great.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

maiden is still selling out arenas.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

They're playing with Motorhead in about a month. AND I'm going. AND I'm going to buy a fuckin' t-shirt, so you may verily bite me!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Me? I saw Motorhead last year.

― sundar subramanian (sundar), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

alex dont yell at me

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I didn't yell at you, Chaki.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

ok ::stops crying::

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/Images/edanim.gif

"OH FOR GOD'S SAKE, BE A MAN!"

― Eddie (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm more of a man than any of you muthafuckas, it's so pathetic. Except I forgot to buy tix to the concert. I'm always doing that. And even though I am reminded, right now, to see if it's sold out, I'm still not going to look. Cos I'm fucking hardcore like that.

― Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Iron Maiden and Anthrax were the only metal band I liked as a kid, mostly for the humor and the literary references.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 May 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Don't get me wrong -- there are PLENTY of moments in the Iron Maiden oeuvre that get me shuddering with palpable disdain ("Quest for Fire" and "Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner" primary among them), but their moments of gloriously hoary majesty positively dwarf those moments. If you can't appreciate the unbridled röcktäcity of "Two Minutes to Midnight," "Number of the Beast," "Die With Your Boots On," "The Trooper," "Sanctuary," "Running Free," "Aces High," etc. etc. etc., than I can't help you, but I pity your dull, colorless existence.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 12 May 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yeah, Manowar did it way better, too. (AND they they had Scott Columbus's customized MARC Industries Drums of Death: "the ultimate drum system in the universe -- everything else is junk"!) But I dunno, maybe I *should* go back and check out those first couple Maiden albums, before what's-his-dork joined up. I haven't heard them in eons or more, I'll admit. Maybe Dickinson DID wreck the band Henry-Rollins-style, who knows? But I'm not paying more than a $1 each.

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 21:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Manowar might be more manly, and louder (and lightyears more rediculous), but their tunes are all so empty, really linear and simple - at least Iron Maiden had some substance to back all those arena anthems up (and enough humour to keep them from making total asses out of themselves). And by all means get those Di'Anno-sung albums, they're the band's best. If those don't convince you, you're beyond hope...

Anthrax have aged very badly by the way, I saw them a few months ago supporting Motorhead and they were just terrible all the way, the only thing I remember was a decent Caught In A Mosh.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>Manowar might be more manly, and louder (and lightyears more rediculous), but their tunes are all so empty, really linear and simple - at least Iron Maiden had some substance to back all those arena anthems up<<<

Not gonna say I disagree with this (I really don't care about Manowar one way or another; they just seemed to have a sense of humor that Maiden lacked, which is at least SOMETHING), except to say that the equation of complexness with "substance" is just silly. I mean, the Ramones and AC/DC and Motorhead were, uh, somewhat linear too, right?

― chuck, Monday, 12 May 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I'm not referring to Maiden's complexity (which IS overrated, the twin guitar melodies are dazzling but ultimately the songwriting isn't that adventurous), just that their riffs and melodies were really interesting and catchy in a fresh way whereas Manowar (and Running Wild, for example) only had these fairly old, tried-and-tested riffs and blew those up to huge epics.

― Siegbran (eofor), Monday, 12 May 2003 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Does this mean that in 20 years time, there will be a gaggle of over-educated music fans defending Good Charlotte and their schtick (a la Alex in NY's defense of Maiden)?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 12 May 2003 22:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Iron Maiden have managed....what....twelve albums? If Good Charlotte get to album number four, I'll be very surprised.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 01:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(Don't get me wrong - I'm squarely in the Maiden camp on this one. Why, it was only a few months ago that I was karaoke-ing "Run For the Hills")

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Fittingly, I was wondering sometime yesterday if Alex was the kind of person who thinks the longevity of a band makes their work better than a flash in the pan's (which Good Charlotte may well might be, though I don't know why that would diminish the quality of the damn great CD I have of theirs, so who knows and who cares?). One of the problems with this mentality is you have to spend hours upon hours appreciating that some crusty nuthin'-better-to-do British clods have been doing something stupid for over 20 years (which in and of itself is less impressive than the Jerry Lewis Telethon, and I don't watch THAT, do I?). If Good Charlotte turn into youth counselors tomorrow, you can find out they were better than Iron Maiden in less than an hour (even if they're career has less endurance...ooooooh)! So you can get on with your day and read some Greek Mythology! Like Maiden!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that "Iron Maiden paid their dues, Good Charlotte didn't" argument got under my skin, too. I'm amazed anybody even still falls for that old saw. Alex, Anthony is right: LONGEVITY DOESN'T MATTER, AND NEVER DID. Three minutes of ? and the Mysterians mattered more than 35 years of the Dead or Pink Floyd (or 20 of U2 or the Chili Peppers, or however many of Radiohead or Pearl Jam), and always will.

(P.S.: Preferring Iron Maiden to Kix means hating fun, period. Or maybe just hating hooks, wit, rhythm, melodies, weirdness, singers who can actually sing, and rock'n'roll. Same things, more or less.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, you could take your argument and say the exact same reverse, though RE: Kix and Iron Maiden. It's just as bad an argument as the longevity one.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Who the hell is Kix? Are they a dub metal band a la the Chambers Brothers?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

They're really big fans of cereal.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Iron Maiden and Anthrax were the only metal band I liked as a kid, mostly for the humor and the literary references.
Subthread:
Taking Sides... "To Tame a Land" vs "Among the Living"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

No Ally, cereal is just a really big fan of THEM.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, however it works out, it's all delicious to me.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Kix, like Quarterflash and Loverboy, aren't as good as Chuck thinks but better than everyone else thinks.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, I just got back from a singularly awful lunch with my father, so fuck you all. For a start, longevity doesn't necessarily matter, but my point was that Iron Maiden have already well established themselves....love'em or hate'me, whereas Good Charlotte are still in the process of doing so. Thus, they shouldn't be compared as they are in different stages of their respective careers. It's like comparing John Mayer to Van Morisson or Michelle Branch to Joni Mitchell or the Vines to the Ramones.

There are oodles of bands who only managed one or two decent albums before splitting. That wasn't my point. However, I don't think Good Charlotte are doing anything interesting or original enough for them to milk it beyond album number three. Maybe they'll prove me wrong and re-invent themselves ala Talk Talk or Radiohead. Stranger things have certainly happened. All I know is that to me they're well below mediocre in the music department, and the fact that they insist on dressing themselves up like something they're not only adds insult to injury.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:36 (twenty-two years ago)

But Alex, Good Charlotte are still alive and well....thus they have the opportunity to grow and develop, experiment with styles, mature with age, and become a long-lasting, viable musical entity, unlike the overrated sacred cow that Iron Maiden has become.

― NA. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Sacred Cow or not, Iron Maiden are still recording new music. Like a veritable shark that needs to keep moving to sustain its own life, they are still swimming.. You lifted that from a quote I made about Nirvana....a band who are no longer recording new music. No swimming there, I'm afraid.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"and the fact that they insist on dressing themselves up like something they're not only adds insult to injury."

Huh?

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I think you all are entirely missing the point, which is this: Good Charlotte lick orangutan nuttsacks blue.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeanne, if you haven't been following the ongoing war between Anthony and myself about Good Charlotte being big ol' posers, may I direct you to practically ever other thread in current activity here on ILM, as it seems like a topic that we've well beat into the ground. I resent the fact that they present themselves like the Exploited yet ultimately make music better suited to Third Eye Blind.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I just resent the fact that they eXist, and = sux0r.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Kix' lyrics were even worse than Iron Maiden's though.

― Siegbran (eofor), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I apologize for continually using Kix to chide Chuck, who -- it should be noted -- I often disagree with, but ultimately have a whole lotta respect for. That said, his selective championing of certain acts (like, say, Kix....ulimately a decent but largely unexceptional band) and pat dismissal of others (like, say, the Misfits and Iron Maiden) verily stumps me.

I'm also curious about his assertion that Tina Marie is a metal artist, but that's another thread.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

he dismisses the misfits! wtf?

I'm flattered you've utilized my 3EB comparison, Alex!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

No charge. I'm all out of sorts today, forgive me.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, why you gotta be insulting Third Eye Blind, they're a fine little act. I'm sorry your day sucks, so I'll forgive any 3EB disses.

nickalicious is OTM: argue semantics of longevity if you want (yes, it's a bad argument, whatever), Good Charlotte still suck; even the song of theirs I like, I went off on pretty quickly. They're like what Blink 182 shits out after a glass of Metamucil, for fuck's sake. They are never going to pull off something as great as "First Date", much less Iron Maiden's best work, because they just aren't very good.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

If Good Charlotte, um, "reinvent themselves like Radiohead" (who peaked on a single from their pre-reinvention debut album), all I can say is good luck to us all. And there was nothing arbitrary about my saying Kix have more fun, hooks, wit, rhythm, melodies, weirdness, and rock'n'roll in their music than Iron Maiden. (If you want to know where all of the above can be found, and more specific ways in which they materialize on Kix LPs, feel free to consult *Stairway to Hell*. Those are MUSICAL values; longevity isn't a musical value at all.)

Kix do have their dub-metal moments, by the way. That's in my book, too, I think. But start with "Walking Away" and "Book to Hypnotise."

And for crissakes, Alex, her name is TEENA Marie. And I said ONE of her albums was metal; I defy you to show me ANYWHERE where I called her "a metal artist". And if you don't understand WHY *Emerald City* sounds metal to me, it might help to read the intro to my book, and the *Emerald City* review which said book contains. It's all there!

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex, why you gotta be insulting Third Eye Blind, they're a fine little act. I'm sorry your day sucks, so I'll forgive any 3EB disses.

Who dissed 3EB? I merely stated that Good Charlotte's music owes more to them than it does to the Exploited (a point I co-opted from Anthony, basically). When I "diss" someone, YOU'LL KNOW IT!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)

...who peaked on a single from their pre-reinvention debut album...

I can see you and I have completely different interpretations of the word "peak". ;-)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)

if you don't understand WHY *Emerald City* sounds metal to me, it might help to read the intro to my book, and the *Emerald City* review which said book contains. It's all there!

Ha! Chuck, I love it, I'm going to never explain myself again and just direct everyone to read my previous entries on my blog whenever I say anything (PS I'M SORRY I'M KIDDING PLEASE DON'T YELL AT ME HOW LATE I AM ON THE TURBONEGRO THING)

Who dissed 3EB? I merely stated that Good Charlotte's music owes more to them

You mentioned 3EB and Good Charlotte together=you insulted 3EB. On the other hand, that means I just insulted "First Date", which I didn't, so my theory is rub. Carry on, homeboy.

PS Radiohead's best song was "The Bends", u r all lame.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

And yeah, I think the Misfits were pretty mediocre. A way less catchy version of the pop-punk the Buzzcocks, 999, Adverts, Vibrators, and Generation X had done before them, with stupider words, a stiffer rhythm section, and one of the planet's biggest blowhards on the mic.
(Or if you prefer, the Cramps with all the rockabilly stuff excised, when the rockabilly stuff was the only interesting thing about them.)

Given all that, I don't really HATE the Misfits. And "Mother" is okay.

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I defy you to show me ANYWHERE where I called her "a metal artist".

Oh relax, I'm just ribbin' ya.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the Misfits were pretty mediocre

Good lord, man, have you never wrapped your ears around Static Age?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:18 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>Ha! Chuck, I love it, I'm going to never explain myself again and just direct everyone to read my previous entries on my blog whenever I say anything<<<

Well, I don't have time to repeat everything I've ever written in my life, sorry. And since Alex is arguing with my book in the first place (since that's *where* I identifed Teena Marie music as metal), and seems so bugged by it, it might help if he'd READ the damn thing.

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:20 (twenty-two years ago)

it's cool, Alex. sorry about your lunch. though you shouldn't let the clothes bother you so much. The band I'm currently in is kinda like Fleetwood Mac meets AC/DC, and the one before was kinda like a jammy goth group and before that it was Minutemen meets Beastie Boys, and I've dressed in plaid and jeans since high school (though my hair is kinda crappy and big so I guess there is truth in advertising re: my Lindsay Buckingham fascination). The GC boyz probably sounded more like the Exploited when they were younger (they've been doing this since they were kidz, as they'll tell you), and though their music has become more mainstream - and probably better, they've decided to stick to their mall-punk roots fashionwise and get lots of tatoos (which a bunch of my friends have done now that they don't live at home too!). I mean, Alex, would you want to start dressing like 3EB just cuz you're band got a better budget and was kinda sappy?

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

actually, I've been wearing plaid and jeans since ELEMENTARY SCHOOL! A good year before I saw a pearl Jam video I've got visual proof that I was a walking grunge stereotype.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

FLEETWOOD MAC MEETS AC/DC??!!

Chuck, Static Age is the best CD ever.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

If I was in Good Charlotte, I'd wear cowboy boots, a luchador mask, and a Pope costume, just so nobody would recognize me as being a member of the worst band (that didn't include Courtney Love in the lineup that is) EVAH.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I simply lack the energy and enthusiasm to get into this today.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, early Fleetwood Mac stuff (like "Oh Well" or "Somebody's Gonna Get Their Head Kicked In Tonight," say) isn't very far at all FROM early AC/DC; I believe some people think Peter Green INFLUENCED Angus Young's playing. (Any recommendations on which albums by Peter Green era F-Mac to buy would be WAY more welcome than Misfits or Maiden recommendations, by the way. This weekend I bought *Kiln House,* which is great, but that's Jeremy Spencer, I guess. I also bought a Fairport Convention comp and the first Procul Harum album. Other than that, pretty much all I listen to now is a few hundred CDs that've come out THIS YEAR. Which is why I get so heated up -- TOO heated up, admittedly -- when people start complaining about what I was listening to and writing about a decade ago. I mean, I don't even always REMEMBER what's so good about that stuff. But it's hardly like I didn't write about it *at the time* or anything, you know? I mean, my old opinions are public record, sort of. But why not move on?)

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

So are my old opinions, Chuck, just yours are more known. It's not really complaining, I think it was just in jest.

I kinda wished you were writing about cereal sometimes, though. You should work that in somehow.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I do!! In Kix reviews! And Oran "Juice" Jones ones, too! (Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids. You without me is like the corn flakes without the milk...)

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

But I think you should talk about cereal more than in just those reviews. Like, ok, that big article about the White Stripes a couple weeks back? You should've mentioned that they look like they'd enjoy Count Chocula, the both of them. Actually, maybe Meg is more of a Boo Berries girl. Though you were totally spot on in everything else, including Jack's vague resemblance to another certain annoying pop star, though that being said I still find myself with a crush on him.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe we should change the board to I Love Cereal. (Actually, Chuck, you raise an interesting point in that I see why you'd want to concentrate on newly released stuff but I can't but help not only loving stuff from my past but stuff from the past I never heard before, so I think 'newness' is ultimately a fluid term, but anyway.)

I'd wear cowboy boots, a luchador mask, and a Pope costume

Dammit, Nickalicious, I expect you to be wearing that every day by default! Especially at work!

My own list: GC, blah, Misfits, rah, Iron Maiden, eh, Kix, I actually like the few songs I've heard from them and Steve Whiteman's interview with Metal Sludge is good fun so that counts for something.

As for Peter Green-era FM, try Then Play On...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I haven't actually heard early early Fleetwood Mac. I'm talking strictly Buckingham-Nicks era.

And you have my sympathies Chuck, but that's what you get for writing damn good shit in 1990. I'd hate it if I still had to defend my belief that EMF was the 3rd best band ever (or INXS being 2nd), which I had in 1992.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

>>>including Jack's vague resemblance to another certain annoying pop star though that being said I still find myself with a crush on him.<

You have a crush on Michael Jackson, Ally??? Wow, that *rocks*!

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, my taste has gone completely down the drain lately, but I think we'd make a totally hot couple.

― Ally (mlescaut), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Chuck, try *Mr. Wonderful*('68) or *English Rose*('69) if you want some early Mac. Maybe a little bluesy/ jammy for some (Fleetwood and Mac had just left Mayall's Bluesbreakers), but still worthwhile. Check their cover of Little Willie John's (i think?) "Need Your Love So Bad." Fucking gorgeous. There's a pretty decent P.Green's F.Mac BBC out their, too.

Now that I mention it, John Mayall/ Bluesbreaker's *Bare Wires* feat. a young Mick Taylor, anyone??? Perhaps this deserves it's own thread.

BTW, who is Good Charlotte?

― Will (will), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

out their, too = out there, too

― Will (will), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Will and Ned -- thanks for the early Mac recommendations!
So, um, how about Wishbone Ash??? Do I start with *Argus,* or what?

p.s. Siegbran is dead wrong about Kix's lyrics, by the way. Donnie Purnell's love of dirty puns was right up there with Bon Scott's, and Ally will be happy to know that they even have a song called "Kix are For Kids." (Corny!) But I'll print these instead; they clearly beat Iron Maiden to hell, though a fairer comparion might well be Morrisey:

Once upon a time in a deserted little town
An incubated boy was born and they tried to put him down
Didn't have no muscles here
Didn't have no fat
But when he opened up his mouth ya heard the biggest trap
They called him big mouth
Big trap
Loud mouth
Mighty mouth
Here comes the M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-Mighty mouth
No silver spoon, grew up too soon out on the dirt
He took a big deep breath and popped the buttons off his shirt
He's no zero oh he's a hero
He's every mother's dream
And all the boys could feel the noise
They'd shake when they'd hear him scream
They called him big mouth
Big trap
Loud mouth
Mighty mouth

― chuck, Tuesday, 13 May 2003 21:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Wishbone Ash is one of those eternal mysteries to me. I might actually say start with the first Budgie album, even though it's a totally different group and sound, just for the hell of it. I think I would definitely recommend staying away from any Robin Trower solo albums.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

"Argus" is a good choice b/c it has "king will come" & "blowing free" on it which are both pretty fukcing ok-ish. Buy w/great care, wishbone ash could be very curate's eggy at the best of times.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 22:31 (twenty-two years ago)

if anything good came out of this thread its my upcoming "all funk versions of iron maiden songs" album

― chaki (chaki), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)

THAT.

WOULD.

ROCK.

"if yer gonna die (bwowm chicka bwowm) die with yer boots on (bwowm chicka bwowm) if yer gonna die...
With Isaac Hayes on backup vocals.
"Now, how are my little undead crackas this mornin'?"

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

No way am I gonna read this whole thread, and I still haven't heard a single note by these guys, but I just checked out their website and they are the cutest band ever. Shit, I mean cuter than any boy band I've ever seen, and they're all cartoon punks? Man oh man.

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)

cuter than any boy band

Surely, like I argue here with regard to other examples, they are merely the next in the series of anti-boy band boy bands? ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm retracting my above post, ok?

― Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

And when the Good Charlotte backlash finally hits, their will be anti-anti-boy bands, followed by anti-anti-anti-boy bands, followed by anti-anti-anti-anti-boy bands, followed by anti-anti-anti-anti-anti-boy bands until we all dissapear up our own fundaments.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Good Charlotte are Busted with a drummer. Simple as that.

― gollywang (gollywang), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

They don't have a drummer....or at least not one that's allowed to be photographed with them (he musn't look "punk" enough for their tastes).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

the original GC drummer quit to join in his brother in a new group called Wakefield. I got a review of it in Blender next month. It's not bad mall-punk-pop-metal, especially on the power ballads. Josh Freese played on Young & The Hopeless. And supposedly they're testing out some new young punk on the road.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yesterday I was out CD-shopping and overheard some teenagers having a conversation...

boy-to-girl: "I can't believe you're buying a GOOD CHARLOTTE CD!"
girl-to-boy: "It's for my friend!"
boy-to-girl: "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend."
girl: "whatever"
boy2-to-boy: "What's wrong with Good Charlotte?"
boy-to-boy2: "They're so mainstream!"
boy2-to-boy: "I thought you liked mainstream punk?"
boy-to-boy2: "No, I like mainstream punk, stuff all punks know about, like Fugazi and NOFX. But Good Charlotte aren't mainstream punk, they're mainstream punk..."

(at this point they get distracted by my LAUGHING OUT LOUD at their conversation, I feel bad, pay for my Blur CD and my Tomahawk CD and my Pharaoh Monche CD and leave)

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

You know that Blur is just mainstream Britpop, right? *hides* ;-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

can't we all just get along?

― Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

TS: mainstream punk v. mainstream punk

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

mainstream punk all the way. Especially since the latter can become the former (Offspring, Green Day), but it doesn't work the other way around).

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 17:50 (twenty-two years ago)

boy-to-girl: "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend."

Somebody buy that kid a beer!

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Alex is a man in his thirties who wants to give alcohol to teenagers who pick their friends based on which bands they like. They make him proud.

Just want that on record.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

A kid with the savvy to know that Good Charlotte fans are idiots earns a free beer, as far as I'm concerned.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yo, the more kids that drink, the better. I've had enough of straight edge fuxors.

― Ally (mlescaut), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually, now that you mention it, somebody tight-assed enough to say "If they listen to Good Charlotte, they're not your friend" probably should be given something to calm him down.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Round of beer, anyone?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes fuckin' please.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I'll have two please, so chuck and I can peacefully agree on how the Misfits are completely overrated.

― Siegbran (eofor), Wednesday, 14 May 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

i heard that girls like cars and money song last night at a friends on mtv, you know what? its kinda great

― gareth (gareth), Sunday, 15 June 2003 10:03 (twenty-two years ago)

g.c. < oizone

― kieron, Sunday, 15 June 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I guess they're pushing the videos for "Girls And Boys" and "Young & The Hopeless" at the exact same time I guess. Fine with me. Both might make my top ten singles of the year, and the latter might top it.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

God help us all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 15 June 2003 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

four months pass...

alex you wrote the goings on about town entry for gc this week didn't you? brilliant work, my friend!

― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 17 October 2003 02:25 (twenty-two years ago)

though I haven't read it, I'll just say "fuck you" in advance.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.newyorker.com/goingson/nightlife/

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 17 October 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

It's half right (I agree with the second sentence). So let me change that "fuck you" to simply "...you."

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 17 October 2003 20:25 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

they fucking rock i dunno about the ppl that say suck u guys can go f ur selfs ok lol

peace

― lor, Tuesday, 2 November 2004 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...

They suck.

― Leelee, Saturday, 27 November 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, they do.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 November 2004 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Their newest single sounds like the Backstreet Boys. The fact that I like it a lot makes me wonder how much I really hated Good Charlotte and the Backstreet Boys to begin with.

― My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Dud!

― Pekka, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:35 (twenty-one years ago)

heir newest single sounds like the Backstreet Boys

How is it then different from their other singles?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Duddd. "Authenticity" doesn't even come into it: just horrid songwriting, period. That please-don't-kill-yourself song makes "Everybody Hurts" sound like "Rock'n'Roll Suicide" (which it does anyway, I guess).

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I hate their whiny vocals.

― Leelee, Saturday, 27 November 2004 21:41 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hold On", replete with interview clips from "real" suicide "survivors". So tastelessly manipulative that it's offensive, and not in a good way either.

Dud, dud, dud.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Saturday, 27 November 2004 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

hardcore punk has been dead for 20 years. green day-style bubblegum punk has been dead for 10 years. how is "reviving" either style NOT inherently rockist? to put it another way, how is reviving ANY dead style to pick at its bones (for fun, profit, or otherwise) somehow a "pop" move?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 28 November 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://pochettescd.free.fr/images/l/LouBegaFront.jpg

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 28 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

But he was only a one hit wonder and doesn't count. Oh wait.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 November 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Eh Good Charlotte have had some good moments but I've only heard singles and for the most part what I've liked about them I can't imagine were replicated in album form. Basically, I liked their songs in the mix of everything else I listen to on pop radio which is mostly towards the h-h end of things so it sort of threw in a sudden curveball which was good.

But yeah...I can't believe Chuck Eddy likes third eye blind. I mean, maybe everyone here is used to hearing Chuck wax on about bands that "omigod, i can't believe he likes that!" but this goes beyond idiosyncratic and I want to be a rebel to the canon and everything too but jesus 3rd Eye Blind is dreadful. And I'm not saying this from any rockist part of my heart I promise you. The melodies are just so putrid and the songs themselves are so bland and disgusting and revolting ARGERSFDLFJDS. Will there be a point where I won't find myself flipping out about Chuck's taste? Cuz I keep thinking I've reached that point and then in comes another artist from out of left field.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 28 November 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Although I suppose this kind of post pleases him.

― djdee2005 (djdee2005), Sunday, 28 November 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Third Eye Blind isn't nearly as bad as all that, Deej. "Semi-Charmed Life" is a truly great song. The other singles from the first album were pretty OK, too--"Jumper," "How's it Going to Be," "Losing a Whole Year," not bad.

I like Good Charlotte a lot more than I used to. I'm a sucker for "Predictable," and the new one sounds pretty good too. I guess once I stopped caring about the "morality" of Good Charlotte or whatever, I started liking the music way more.

― The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Sunday, 28 November 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...

So how come nobody (including Anthony Frigging Miccio) ever told me how much I would like "I Just Wanna Live"??? I remember hearing it on the rentacar radio a couple times over the winter, and had no idea who it was -- just wondered what teen-poppers was doing a song with the push and soul falsetto of *NySync's "Bye Bye Bye" plus guitar riffs from "Smells Like Teen Spirit," and then forgot about it a couple minutes later. But now I get *Now That's What I Call Music! #18* in the mail (good album - I also really like the Lenny Kravitz track, bizarrely, and I don't hate Three Days Grace or Hoobastank as much as I thought I would), and turns out "I Just Wanna Live" is by Good Charlotte! What the hell? This is their best song ever, right?

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

..what teen-poppers WERE dong a song with the push and soul falsetto of *NSYNC's...(jeez)

― xhuxk, Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

"I Just wanna Live" is an alltime OMG! LOL! WTF! classic. I think this was noted previously.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

I put the track on Stylus' MP3 blog before it was a single and mentioned it plenty in my Stylus review and on my site. Didn't bother sending you a personal frigging e-mail because you underrate their last album work due to the whine, which remains.

It's definitely there most "pop" great song.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

their most. argh.

anyhow, my review of Chronicles Of Life & Death. It's a disappointment but there's enough quality tracks that I don't think they've totally lost what makes them great. As those who can read can see, I agree with xgau's take that they've lost all the specifics from the last album, but I still enjoy their harmonies and (dare i say) earnestness. I hope "Mountain" is the next single. It's sweet.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

their last. typos are my burden.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

ok I just woke up.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.pagesix.com/files/gallery/022508_pris_benji2.jpg

Ahhhhh, the sweet smell of hypocrisy.

― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:45 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah, it is kind of hypocritical how the guy who always rails against vapid modern celebrity culture is now informing me about who Paris is dating.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:49 (seventeen years ago)

Is it my fault that this picture was in the New York Post I happened to be reading? Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous indeed.

You shame the name Alex.

― Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 16:56 (seventeen years ago)

So wait, how is it hypocrisy for one of the Maddens to date Paris after the other knocked up Nicole? Or is the hypocrisy that you feel that in light of past Paris/Nicole rifts that this is disloyal? I need to know where you stand, man.

― Alex in Baltimore, Wednesday, 27 February 2008 17:59 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

FYI: the Madden Brothers are currently doing an acoustic set in the middle of an Australian cricket match on Australia Day.

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 26 January 2013 10:21 (thirteen years ago)

?????

― curmudgeon, Saturday, 26 January 2013 19:42 (thirteen years ago)

It's all part of this terrific marketing campaign for a major fast food chain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUOVvDlQ2U4

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:08 (thirteen years ago)

dudes have always been big there. hell, their last album, which i couldn't even bother listening to after hearing the single, went gold, with that single going top ten.

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:12 (thirteen years ago)

They're so popular that Joel is moving to Australia!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X08fRT25rDk

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

i remember reading something back during my gossip blogger days that there was strife in the madden/richie family because he was committed to exploring the gold in thar hills (he's a voice australia judge iirc) while nicole richie had no fucking desire to move down under

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:20 (thirteen years ago)

ok so apparently the australian voice panel is joel, seal, delta goodrem and until this season, keith urban. replacing keith in 2013...ricky martin

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:21 (thirteen years ago)

Yep, Joel was a judge on The Voice Australia with Seal and Keith Urban (who got a promotion to American Idol and will now be replaced with...Ricky Martin) because...well, I have no fucking clue, all I know is every commercial break on television these days has 'I'm selling fried chicken or mobile phone coverage.

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:25 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1WCT9W11Ok

― da croupier, Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:29 (thirteen years ago)

Anyway, LAWN BOWLS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIX27v5SmgY

― Ceci n'est pas une Le Snak (King Boy Pato), Sunday, 27 January 2013 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

I salute them for surviving these tough times

http://www.theonion.com/articles/good-charlotte-recording-10-new-songs-to-be-played,35797/

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 April 2014 21:19 (eleven years ago)

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