Received Wisdom: Albums generally regarded as great masterworks that you found to be actually be horrid crap...

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Continuing where this thread leaves off...

I say...

Joni Mitchell - Blue
More like Bleh!

Beatles - White Album
The most overrated record by the most overrated band.

Moby - Everything is Wrong
Only gets interesting in the last two tracks

Squeeze - Singles 45 and Under
Sounds like a disjointed sampler of 4 or five different confused bands. And has a ghastly album cover.

Okay... your turn.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Moby - Everything is Wrong

OH MY GOD WON'T SOMEONE LOVE ME!!!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

"Astral Weeks" - I can see why it's good and everything, but it just GETS ON MY FUCKING NERVES.

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, I was about to say Moondance, mainly because it looks so silly compared to Astral Weeks.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:48 (twenty-two years ago)

oooh yeah. forgot about Astral Weeks. Totally nowhere as good as his following five albums or so. Moondance is GREAT!

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, Kenan...
(*pats him on his head. gives him a cookie*)
We all love you. Now...you can go outside and play.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:51 (twenty-two years ago)

sadly i predict this thread will far outpace its forefather

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:52 (twenty-two years ago)

allow me to briefly reiterate my feelings about Guided by Voices. thank you.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(*officially notes M Matos's assertion for the record*)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

haha, yeah Custos there was really lots of doubt and we need to set it straight "for the record"!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i second gbv. throw in built to spill, sigur ros, wilco, and godspeed you black emperor! and you've got a royal flush of critically-acclaimed shit.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 02:59 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, you know how the critics have been praising GBV over the last ten years. all those 6 out of 10s and everything...

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:00 (twenty-two years ago)

you've never lived in Seattle, Anthony. shut up.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

London Calling
Television
Tommy
Ogden's Nut Flake Gone
The Germs
Anything by the Pixies.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)

rumor has it that State College, PA has a college radio station -- and that GBV records have been played quite often thereupon.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

6s instead of 2s and 3s = overrated enough for me

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:03 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, and god knows every album played on college radio is generally regarded as a great masterwork. But hey, I've never lived in Seattle.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Also...
merely listing an album is vague...explain why you think the record is weaker than Kenny G's herbal tea bag.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The Streets - Original Pirate Material

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)

what if you think everything by a critically-acclaimed artist -- not just an album or two -- is absolute crap?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

What, like Bob Dylan?

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

see my first post above

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)

What, like Bob Dylan?

speak of the devil ...

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha sorry Custos but it takes a lot of effort to come up with stunning insights like "bleh" and "overrated". Frankly, I just can't expend the energy.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never really gotten why Bitche's Brew gets rated so much more than other electric Miles.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Me neither actually.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Especially since Get Up With it is so godly.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It's longer.

In a Silent Way is far more wonderful.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

well, instead of "bleh" you could "eeeccch!"
and instead of "overrated" you could say "dug only by posuers" or something...

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Astral Weeks means you hate fun.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Or that you like little girls and trannies.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)

sigur ros and gybe! -- noisily turgid, pretentious crap. plus jonsi sings like a porpoise being castrated by a shark.

wilco -- fourth-generation roots-rock with brian wilsonesque production values = pouring syrup on shit & calling it pancakes.

built to spill -- he who comes from a state best known for potatoes will make music that sounds like soggy potatoes. not to mention that i prefer my guitar-wank to be done with little more pizzazz.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitches Brew came first, no doubt the reason..

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:17 (twenty-two years ago)

no, In a Silent Way was first. and most of the pre-retirement stuff that came after was better than Brew.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i love astral weeks, btw.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:19 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post but still: who doesn't like little girls and trannies fer chrissakes?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is old and boring.

I may of course mention "Never Mind The Bollocks" and "Trout Mask Replica", but I think I already did in another thread half a year ago...

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't call Springsteen's The River "horrid crap" or anything, but I will say my favorite review of it was when Nelson George said it "sounded like oatmeal."

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, more :
The Stone Roses first album - pub rock-esque Byrds ripoffs fronted by an orangutan.
Patti Smith - Horses - seemed profound at the time (i.e. when I was 18), now sounds like bad bad poetry played by Billy Joel's backing band.

― udu wudu (udu wudu), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't HAVE TO choose between Astral Weeks and Moondance, you know.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Ten "cannonical" albums that are closer to dud than classic.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:21 (twenty-two years ago)

but think of all those critically acclaimed albums with no nice harmonies and melodies, geir! not just the pistols and beefheart, but public enemy!!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Matos - In a Silent Way was the first what? Miles album with electric instruments? Nope.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

"...my favorite review of it was when Nelson George said it "sounded like oatmeal."
Let that be a lesson to you...Don't write album reviews on an empty stomach.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:22 (twenty-two years ago)

The Stone Roses first album - pub rock-esque Byrds ripoffs fronted by an orangutan.

ergo, the stones roses = the british wilco!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:23 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah Keith, but i'd take St. Dominic Preview, Tupelo Honey, It's Too Late To Stop Now, Moondance and that other one over Astral Weeks too.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

i concede that Pearl Jam owns this thread. does anyone besides music critics and grungesters pining the fjords of their youth still give a fuck about them?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I was just going to ask YOU what YOU meant by "first," actually, because Brew definitely wasn't it, whatever "it" was. ("electric instruments"? no shit, Sherlock.)

big big big second to The Stone Roses, which may well own this thread

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

astral weeks is where van morrison was at his most sonically daring -- switching up his usual guru-blooz schtick for a change. he never got that good, IMHO.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

and GOD YES to Wilco.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

the only albums music critics give a shit about from Pearl Jam are the same ones that have songs that still get played on the radio (basically the first three). Unless I missed all the top 10 p&j ballots for Binaural.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Anthony, St. Dominic's Preview is underrated, so's the live record. But Moondance and Astral Weeks serve two different purposes. The other records are more similar in mood to each other, so slightly more redundant.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, Bitch's Brew is the first "I have listened to Hendrix" Miles album (what is the first electric? Miles in the Sky?), and 'tokenism' is probably the reason why more than anything else (to be honest I didn't really get it until the sessions boxset, I can only imagine what'll happen when I hear the Get Up With It box)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:28 (twenty-two years ago)

It's Too Late To Stop Now may be the best Van Morrison record - even the ott vergin on vegas moments evoke the jumpsuit = everybody wins!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:29 (twenty-two years ago)

hie thee hence, mr. miccio. said site including a 4-star review for binaural.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:30 (twenty-two years ago)

When did the crazy back-lash against Davis by jazz purist types start? Cuz the later albums pre-retirement are still largely loathed by those folks (while I think Bitches Brew and In a Silent Way are still grudgingly well regarded, but I could be wrong.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

marsalis surely?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:31 (twenty-two years ago)

I have a hard time deciding between It's Too Late to Stop Now, Into the Music and Moondance actually. love them all to death, though I've probably played Saint Dominic's Preview more than any because I was totally obsessed w/it as a teenager.

First Miles electric is Miles in the Sky, yeah. Looking back through the thread I think what Broheems was saying is that BB came out before Get Up with It and I read him as saying it came first in the chain of events that we call "electric Miles." so there may have been some confusion on my part there.

backlash begins full on with On the Corner and its 2-star Downbeat review and attendant "this isn't music" jazzbo pissed-offedness.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:32 (twenty-two years ago)

No, the jazz folks have never trusted Teo's editing.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

st. dom's preview best
get up with it scary great
exile on main street blah

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Bitches Brew is the one that set the template for all of those 70s records - the layered mass of sound, most instruments doubled, electric bass, rock dynamics. Sure, In A Silent Way featured McLaughlin's debut w/ him, but the band was still somewhat small (7 piece, right?) compared to the large groups on the subsequent records. Bitches was the one that really incorporated that rock/funk derived propulsion; In a Silent Way is easier to place in that kind of extended modal tradition of his prior records like Miles in the Sky, the only addition being McLaughlin and Corea this time out. Plus, Bitches was the one that the rock fans really embraced, so yeah, it was the 'first' in that sense..

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, I will trick you all into saying nice things about records you like and defeat the wicked thrust of this thread! I am like the Black Eyed Peas of ILM, spreading positivity wherever I post.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and Matos, my "no" was in response to the Marsalis suggestion, not the Downbeat point.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

x-post w/ Matos - yeah that's what I basically meant...

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

actually didn't think the "no" was against anything at all--just a preface to the Teo remark

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

ok so I'm bugged to hear somebody say Exile On Main Street is "blah" but since so many other people over-rate the album I can't get too indignant. Exile's only my favorite Stones album when I'm really drunk. and then only cuz it's really long and I have it on CD.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beach Boys: Surf's Up
Underworld: Dubnobasswithmyheadman (or most of it, really, though I like a couple singles, and no NOT "Born Slippy")

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait, Matos YOU don't like the song "Surf's Up"!?!?!?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Or just the album (which I can sort of get)?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:43 (twenty-two years ago)

x-p miccio:

I agree exile
might be the best stones record--
it's too inconsistent though!

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

NO IT AIN'T!!!!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:45 (twenty-two years ago)

The best electric Miles album is "Jack Johnson."

Astral Weeks is brilliant, and I can't believe it was mentioned in this thread. You all deserve painful slow death.

― ddrake, Monday, 10 November 2003 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

what's bugging you more, JB: your stones castle crumbling, or me talking out of my ass? because I dont' really hate on Exile, it just never moved me. that's my fault, I'm sure. after all it's everyone's wonderful drunk drugs album! (except mine.)

and ddrake just opened his own self up for a whole world of hurtin', there. (I like Astral Weeks too, btw.)

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:48 (twenty-two years ago)

the album, Alex, though the song is kinda meh too

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Not saying it's "horrid crap", but I do need to get something off my chest:

OK, now... uh, I didn't listen to it when it came out, and considering how hip-hop is a genre built on constant advances, it probably would've helped for me to hear it for the first time back in 1988 instead of the mid '90s. I suppose it's an important landmark as it's possibly the last real significant album before the landmark 3 Feet High and Rising/Paul's Boutique "thank you for your help Mr. Dynamite, but there's lots of different crazy stuff we can cut up now" era. Granted, beats aren't everything, and Chuck's lyrics over the majority of the album are phenomenal. And I still consider the handful of singles on the album to be pretty damned great...

...but It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back as the greatest rap album ever? No, no, no, no, no. PE even blew themselves out of the water the following year with "Fight the Power" (greatest rap single ever? OK, that's more realistic). Sorry for the blasphemy. I'll be on my way.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:51 (twenty-two years ago)

(PS: White Light/White Heat = BORING)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:52 (twenty-two years ago)

to be honest after those sacd reissues I've been half thinking half believing the stones never recovered from satanic majesties

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

nate at this point it
would be braver to claim it*
WAS the best ever

*ITANOMTHUB

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

but then I put on exile and ROCK MY ASS OFF

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:53 (twenty-two years ago)

"braver" = "perfect for a VH1 book"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

enough hatred though: EXILE IS YR NEW GOD

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I meant braver here on ILM you know that nate

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:55 (twenty-two years ago)

if we're gonna diss the velvets, then the one velvets album to diss is loaded. damn thing sounds like a fucking hollies album, even the good songs (like "sweet jane").

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:57 (twenty-two years ago)

y'know what though y'all?
I retract my Exile talk.
I must research more.

I'll go get the thing
on CD and report back,
laugh/apologize

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

ok I think I'm stupid; technically I don't think Nation of Millions is really that bad, I'm just "oh hey, another 100 Best Blaghaghag Rockstuff list, let me guess what the highest-ranking rap album is!"

I'll think up a more fitting album shortly.

And Loaded is their best motherfucking album! GAHRAEHGH A'OIPGHOIDW;GH SW,MNJ,MNJKL,MN,MN,MNJ,MN

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 03:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Nations is about a million times better than Paul's Boutique.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

there is jukebox in a train station in great lakes, il where I listened to it after I got out of boot camp - listen to it there
or, there are at least eight bars in athens with it on the jukebox (maybe more in your town) listen to it there.
do not listen to it in your house whilst ironing curtains or making macaroni and cheese. beer bottles must be present and emptied.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:02 (twenty-two years ago)

we should've had kenan ask derogatis that question -- "which is the worst velvets album, loaded or white light/white heat?"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I dunno Haikunym .. calling Exile overrated? Sure, I can totally buy that. How could not be after all the ink spilled.. But .. "bleh" ? hmmm....

Who is your favorite rock drummer? Cuz if Charlie Watts' performances ALONE on that record don't raise it above "bleh" then I have to wonder..

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

check you head may be considerably better than ill communication or hello nasty but it's still definitely a step down from paul's boutique (which was in turn a slight - slight - step down from licensed to ill)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:04 (twenty-two years ago)

oh tad I need to lay a smackdown on you for dissing white light/white heat (unless you're talking about "the gift" in which case, ok, sure)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

see Blount that's the thing
my fucking lifestyle is all
anti-Exile-ness

okay okay yes
I will try again to love
that skagged-out "classic"

first time I heard it:
my cousin's scratched vinyl while
family all fought

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:05 (twenty-two years ago)

hey i'm the one sticking up for white light/white heat! it's my favorite velvets!! twas patrin that was dissing it, not me.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm dissing loaded, for those keeping track at home.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

Nation of Millions = sampled "Theme From Shaft" for some incendiary political stuff
Paul's Boutique = sampled "Superfly" for a song about throwing eggs at people

Fuck, that's at least a draw.

Yeah, most of my hate for WLWH stems from "The Gift". And people who really like that album shitting on the wondrous greatness that is Loaded.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, loaded's definitely the "worst" velvets album

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:07 (twenty-two years ago)

YES! Check Your Head for sure. I have never been able to feel that album, which I sometimes think it's because I've never been much of a pothead. Sloppy not loose, amateurish and not even in a fun way. I'll take Ill Communication, if I have to.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:08 (twenty-two years ago)

but wotabout Squeeze, you ninnyhammer

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, the instrumentals on Communication were tighter, and the hardcore songs were (a) fewer and (b) goofier.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

the trick to listening to "the gift" is to use the balance so you can tune out the daft short story and tune in the 'oh shit there's a bat in the studio! fuck! two bats!' jam craziness

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm sorta embarassed to admit it ("embarassed" only because I fear I'm unduly romanticizing it) .. but yeah, for a very extended period of my life Exile was my 3 am blinded-out-of-my-mind record of choice ... mainly for the great "Sweet Virginia"-"Torn & Frayed"-"Sweet Black Angel"-"Loving Cup" sequence. .. great for drunken sing-alongs...

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Haikunym - dig Al Perkins' steel guitar solo on "Torn & Frayed" ... you'll become a believer

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

why do you hate waldo jeffers so, messrs. patrin and blount?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

BATS! yes!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:11 (twenty-two years ago)

really, i thought nate would get on my ass for dissing wilco more than for anything else.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

surely his immunity to that's built up by now

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:12 (twenty-two years ago)

but those wilco fans are so dang sensitive ... they never forget a diss. they're worse than belle and sebastian fans.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i am sooooo over Wilco

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:16 (twenty-two years ago)

that's kinda sad to hear

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Well I'm not haterizing, but I haven't really gone back to that album in who knows how long. I still think the cover looks cool. I also still sort of like the idea of it, if not the album itself or the resounding writerly foofaraw.

Hey, I didn't even put them on my 2002 MP3CDR mix! (I could be a dork and put them on '01, though.)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:19 (twenty-two years ago)

i guess jim o'rourke needed a big paycheck real, real bad.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:20 (twenty-two years ago)

he was the musical director for the school of rock, meaning the answer to the question "who's idea was it to have a bunch of eight year old kids sing 'it's a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll'?" the answer is maybe "jim o'rourke"

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:24 (twenty-two years ago)

The only problem I had with that was that one of the "messages" of the movie was that you don't have to be drugged and drunk to make rock and roll. And then you're sending the kiddies out to buy AC/DC albums?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:26 (twenty-two years ago)

grr the bass player needed a solo in that bit goddammit

― typo acapulco (gcannon), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

like O'Rourke's anything to write home about!

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:27 (twenty-two years ago)

the bass player did need a solo (though when he said 'just hit this note over and over. ok faster. ok, now you can play bass.' I almost stood up and said "I KNEW IT!")

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:30 (twenty-two years ago)

christ do we need a "School of Funk"

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

starring BIZ MARKIE

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

A friend of mine was convinced the movie was overtly racist for covering up the two african-american girls in the chorus' faces with credits and giving a clear unobstructed by credits view of the white girl while she did her little bit. He also hated the movie for no earthly reason I could understand.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:34 (twenty-two years ago)

haha i was already pissed at that point, she should have said "wtf a cello is strung TOTALLY differently, it's in fifths man duh" but no no little silent bass player chick

― typo acapulco (gcannon), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

jim o'rourke is ok in small doses. but i don't put him on a pedestal -- i think he's a guy who has some interesting ideas (and some not-so-interesting ideas), who sometimes comes up with a nice song. but i don't think he's great ... which means maybe some of his stuff belongs on this thread, too?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:37 (twenty-two years ago)

School of Rock = movies generally regarded to be great masterworks that I found to be actually horrid crap

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

also i was hoping the gtr kid would pull in some pseudoclassical metalloid classical gas kinda shit (synthesis, see) for his finale

― typo acapulco (gcannon), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:39 (twenty-two years ago)

to be honest the the 'don't tell me you've never gotten the led out' line pretty much sealed the deal for me

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Jim O'Rourke's been involved with many, many incredible records .. and I'm just talking about his improvising - where I think I like him best - not his producing.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:40 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, "unleash the fucking fury!" isn't part of the school of rock's canon is it?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

I am *SHOCKED* at how many people didn't like School of Rock!?!?! I was literally in tears by the end and my stomach was seriously cramping from laughter.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Some people don't like to rock, is all. It's sad, but there it is.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:43 (twenty-two years ago)

i liked it! the end was touching. i think i laughed hardest at the david geffen line.

― typo acapulco (gcannon), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I completely understand why people liked it. I ... just didn't.

― Keith Harris (kharris1128), Monday, 10 November 2003 04:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone knows rock and roll is dead when its taught in school...in a movie.

How realistic is it that those kid's parents were offended by rock music? For godssakes, my dad was making me listen to Roxy Music when I was 8.

― ddrake, Monday, 10 November 2003 04:55 (twenty-two years ago)

eww

― s1utsky (slutsky), Monday, 10 November 2003 06:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Suicide - 's/t'
The Stooges (particularly 's/t' and 'raw power')

― Patrick South (Patrick South), Monday, 10 November 2003 07:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Raw Power is horrid crap!?

― ddrake, Monday, 10 November 2003 07:13 (twenty-two years ago)

Jeff Buckley is horrid crap.

― Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 10 November 2003 08:04 (twenty-two years ago)

Damn, everybody beats me to the stuff I want to say! first The Stone Roses (even though I love "Fools Gold" but that's nothing like the album proper anyway) and now Jeff Buckley.

― M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 10 November 2003 08:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Grace. Took me a decade to come around to it, but yeah, it's aces.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 08:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Led Zeppelin's entire catalogue to thread! (I actually listened to my mother's box set. Aaaaargh.)

― Sarah Pedal (call mr. lee), Monday, 10 November 2003 09:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the Classic/first concept album/predates tommy and peppers/ SF SORROW by the Pretty Things.

Oh god, gave up 1/2way through. People don't bother its bad depressing and foul and dull and boring. It is allowed to be any one of these things but not all of them.... Now I know why it's a lost album of the sixties... and ting.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 09:48 (twenty-two years ago)

i can't believe people don't like the gift...
john cale's voice rambling on over the slow chugging is great,even if you've heard the story a million times before...

― robin (robin), Monday, 10 November 2003 10:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I liked that they played it on the reunion tour as well....

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

The Beatles.

I don't know what it is, I just don't get them. All the tracks that Beatles apologists gloss over (Octopus' Garden comes immediately to mind) epitomise to me everything that is wrong with them and convince me of my rightness.

The only thing worse than the Beatles? Lennon and McCartney's solo material.

And my best friend is a Beatles collector. Go figure.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 10 November 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

...but It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back as the greatest rap album ever? No, no, no, no, no. PE even blew themselves out of the water the following year with "Fight the Power" (greatest rap single ever? OK, that's more realistic). Sorry for the blasphemy. I'll be on my way.
"It is not heresy...and I will not recant!"

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 12:40 (twenty-two years ago)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Joni Mitchell - Blue
More like Bleh!

I think most of her '70s albums are as good as Blue. How come that one was singled out as her masterpiece?

Beatles - White Album
The most overrated record by the most overrated band.

Absolutely.

I got the Classic/first concept album/predates tommy and peppers/ SF SORROW by the Pretty Things.

Plenty of the 'lost classics' of the sixties are overrated, including this one, perhaps. I blame all the Starostins and Unterbergers of the world for this. :^) In sixties-nut terminology, gem/classic/forgotten masterpiece means 'not terrible'.
Also, that album doesn't pre-date pepper. And it's considered the first rock opera, not the first concept album.

― Michael Dubsky, Monday, 10 November 2003 12:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Goldie's record - 'Timeless' or whatever. Urgh.

― Jay Kid (Jay K), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. Soggy, sluggy, boring as hell, hideously overarranged, very light on the content front.

― Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I want to support those who've said the Gift is actually awesome.

Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. Soggy, sluggy, boring as hell, hideously overarranged, very light on the content front.

boooooooooooooooo.

― ddrake, Monday, 10 November 2003 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)

wolk OTM, it's
pretty but nowhere as good
as here, my dear. word.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

marvin was better in the sixties too!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the Classic/first concept album/predates tommy and peppers/ SF SORROW by the Pretty Things.
Oh god, gave up 1/2way through. People don't bother its bad depressing and foul and dull and boring. It is allowed to be any one of these things but not all of them.... Now I know why it's a lost album of the sixties... and ting.

SF Sorrow is fucking great man about 10 zillion times better than Tommy and Sgt Pepper combined. Of course if you don't like psychedelia then you're hardly likely to rate it are you?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Not horrid crap by any means but merely on the dull side:

Dennis Wilson - Pacific Ocean Blue
Tim Buckley - Lorca
Arthur Russell - World of Echo (particularly dull this one)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I heard a lot about the new Peaches album..."you got to hear it", "it rules!".

CRAP.

― Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Add also:

AR Kane - 69

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)

err, I do like psychedelia.

House of Many Windows (Bobak Jons Malone) - Motherlight LP. Recommended.

But errrrrrgggggh. SF Sorrow. It's still in my car. Does the second half get better? Sell me it. Or shall I start a C/D thread?

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Second half is better I think, funnily enough

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)

OK, I'll give it a go.

I can be wrong. I didn't much rate Forever Changes first time, second time I loved it.

But I doubt it somehow. Will post back....

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)

there isn't one band or album on here that i would call "horrid crap". and most is stuff i really like. is "horrid crap" just hyperbole. does horrid crap=stuff i just didn't like that much.even wilco, who i care nothing about, aren't horrid crap to me. oh i laughed and laughed and laughed when i finally heard that album that everyone loved, but it was just mightily boring and uninspired. not loathsome or vile. i will have to think of something.the last album i couldn't listen to all the way through was that last Kenna album cuz i thought it was so bad. that's rare for me to not be able to listen to something at least once.(not that anybody called it a masterwork)

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Albums I couldn't listen to even once all the way through

Style Council - Confessions of a pop group
Pretty Things - S.F. Sorrow
That's the only two I can recall off the top of me ed.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Further additions which are not "horrid crap" but certainly aren't very good, if we're being brutal about it:

Amon Duul I - everything apart from "Paradieswarts Duul"
Amon Duul II - Carnival In Babylon AND Dance of the Lemmings
Richard Hell and the Voidoids - Destiny Street
Mercury Rev - everything except the 1st album
Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (goes without saying surely)
Lou Reed - New York
Skip Spence - Oar
Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation

― Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

dude, listen to s.f. sorrow again, please.

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 15:18 (twenty-two years ago)

i could only listen to new york once or twice. or three times if you count the new york tour where he played the whole damn thing in sequence.

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 15:20 (twenty-two years ago)

destiny street is regarded as a masterwork?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

HA! i finally thought of a proper ILM answer: The Soft Bulletin fucking sucks!!

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 15:23 (twenty-two years ago)

pixies. left me cold upon release. and still do to this day. my wife loves em and so they get aired on a frequent basis in my house. the horror. the horror.
lou reed. transformer. cept for the Classic trax the rest of the lp is Tres Dull Dull.

― mark e (mark e), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to say Broken English by Mariann "Mars Bar" Faithful, but on second consideration, it's actually not too bad (I still like "Why'd Ya Do It?" and the title track).

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

The Band - ol' grandad tripe. AR Kane 69-yes. All Tim Buckley. All Jeff Buckley. Primal Thcweam - isn't Screamadelica so 'prim', and what about the shitty non-dance tracks on that mutha - why does nobody talk about them. All Van Morrison apart from Them. All Jefferson Airplane. Iggy Pop. The Doors apart from 'The Doors'. All Stereolab apart from 'Sound Dust'. The Charlatans. The Strokes. All Bob Dylan. Moby. All fecking Bjork. Pulp 'Different Class' and the one before it. The Verve (god how I hate them). Joni Mitchell - all. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation. Belle and Sebastian - all, especially TBWTAS. Wedding Present - the one that S. Albini produced - horrible, as are all their other records. Killing Joke. Tricky. Smashing Pumpkins - all. Pearl Jam - all. Beastie Boys - Paul's Boutique. Trout Mask Replica. Aerosmith. David Crosby - IOICRMN. Little Feat - fucking hell, why? The Residents - funny for 10 seconds. Momus. Sisters of Mercy. Metallica - all of them. Frank Zappa - all, especially Hot Rats. More Specials. Super Furry Animals - all. Skip Spence. Anything described as a 'song cycle'. Anything with an acoustic guitar. Anyone described as a singer-songwriter. Anyone from America. Anyone who's NOT The Stockholm Monsters or Vic Godard or The Human League. Prince - Around The World In A Day. The Rolling Stones - Sticky Fingers. The Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin. All Tom Waits. All Beck.

― Dr. C (Dr. C), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Wedding Present - the one that S. Albini produced - horrible, as are all their other records. Killing Joke

Tell, Dr. Is there anything you do like?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I disagree there...

xpost(not funny now...)

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 15:59 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm with Dr.C. The Soft Bulletin fucking sucks!

and he's right about americans too. they fucking suck. come to think of it, all i really need is Wimple Winch.

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

''The Soft Bulletin fucking sucks!''

I was just waiting for someone to say that. no it fucking doesn't!!!!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Haha, what a great list..
but "All Stereolab apart from 'Sound Dust'"?

― Baaderist (Fabfunk), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

And Momus? Great masterworks?

― Momus (Momus), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that one about being Nicky...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

err.. I'll get me coat.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I apologize if this has already been mentioned (i didn't read every single post), but "Dirty" by Sonic Youth would have been twice as good with half the songs.

― Charles McCain (Charles McCain), Monday, 10 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Frank Zappa - entire catalogue. Ugh. Potty humour ain't my bag. Made worse by having the most annoying fans this side of Phish.

Elvis Costello - has a handful of good songs, but overall a bit boring. Was also made sick of EC due to overexposure in a friend's car.

Radiohead - Kid A and all that followed. I liked the two previous albums just fine, but then they took up permanent residence in dullsville. I like whiney, squelchy, self-indulgent music just fine, but haven't been able to find anything likable about Radiohead over the past few years. They annoy me so much that I can't even listen to the records I once enjoyed.

GYBE - I get bored without vocals.

Bjork - Do I really have to explain? [I did like that first Sugarcubes album at the time.]

Tori Amos - see above. Also, has the most annoying fans this side of Frank Zappa.

Ani Difranco - see above. Also, has the most annoying fans this side of Tori Amos.

Stone Roses - zzzzzzz.

Happy Mondays - crap after "Delightful" and "Freaky Dancing."

― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Frank Zappa - entire catalogue. Ugh. Potty humour ain't my bag. Made worse by having the most annoying fans this side of Phish.

That's like renouncing the entire Beatles catalog because you don't care for songs about walruses.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (goes without saying surely)
Thank You. Thank You. Thank You.
Lou Reed - New York
It's not all that bad. Two of the tracks towards the end (I always hit the skip track buttons for "Good Evening, Mr Waldheim" and "Strawman".)

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

"Dirty" by Sonic Youth would have been twice as good with half the songs

So which ones would you leave out? The album, as long as it is, seems pretty solid to me.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 10 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

i would take all of the songs off of Dirty and replace them with the songs off of Evol. cuz it sucks. thanks for mentioning that one. i had forgotten all about it.. and Goo too. Goo sucks. but nobody ever called Goo or Dirty a masterpiece, did they?

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Goo, yes.
Dirty, no.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-two years ago)

Dark Side of the Moon = poop except for that little 30-sec. synthesizer bit in between a couple songs, which is some of the coolest pre-classic kraftwerk style synth I've heard. The only Pink Floyd I enjoy at all is a couple of Syd songs (see emily play, arnold layne) and the song One of These Days which rocks, unlike anything on that mess of tepid mush that is DSOTM.

Beatles most overrated ever YES!

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, I'd take Dirty over EVOL. EVOL has a few nice songs, but it sounds like a band still discovering what it's capable of - Dirty feels like a statement by a band that knows what it wants to do and how to do it.

― o. nate (onate), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Sucka == Jesus.

― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:25 (twenty-two years ago)

I was reminded yesterday that "Cool Thing" is one of the best Sonic Youth songs ever.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)

and i was reminded the other day how much it makes me cringe.no, really. i was watching the video and it reminded me why i stopped listening to them.

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

scott- have you heard murray street?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:33 (twenty-two years ago)

you will have to excuse me. i'm one of those annoying people who likes everything sonic youth did up until daydream nation and thinks that everything after that was horrid crap. it's kinda like how when you are a little kid and you think your parents are really cool and that they can do anything and then you grow up and realize how old and pathetic they are and what in god's name is chuck d DOING for chrissakes!! or something like that. kill yr idols, amy phillips to thread, etc, etc...

no julio! i haven't. i liked the 20th century avant covers that i have heard. steve reich, etc, mebbe shut up and play yer guitar=my digging them in the future

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 18:37 (twenty-two years ago)

well I think murray street is a nice sister alb to er, 'sister'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Murray Street was great. As was Washing Machine. As was NYC Ghosts &Flowers.

― Broheems (diamond), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok Computer

― King Kobra (King Kobra), Monday, 10 November 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I am very happy not to be contributing to this thread.

Wait...can't...stop...self...Soundgarden....Lauryn Hill....the Soft Bulletin makes my fillings fall out...Chemical Brothers...oh God...make it stop...morphine...please...wait...I am not...in....pain...I am...Herb Caen...

― musicmope (musicmope), Monday, 10 November 2003 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

see, even musicmope will tell you, The Soft Bulletin fucking sucks!

― scott seward, Monday, 10 November 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Custos = kooler than jesus, same for King Kobra and those not impressed by radiohead.

― sucka (sucka), Monday, 10 November 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

losing....writing....gigs.....by....telling.....truth......help.....me....must.....eat....sushi.....

― musicmope (musicmope), Monday, 10 November 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

How come nobody's attacked "Pet Sounds"? Or is that record just a little _too_ holy to take down? I've been waiting for somebody to do so for years and years..

― Adam Bruneau, Monday, 10 November 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

No, "The Soft Bulletin" most certainly does not suck. On the other hand please feel free to direct your scorn in the direction of the tepid "Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots."

― Ben Dot (1977), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I've gotten such looks of horror when I've said pet sounds is overrated that I don't bother anymore cuz it's not really a fight I feel invested in

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:04 (twenty-two years ago)

it's totally overrated but it's still great

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:17 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:19 (twenty-two years ago)

"Pet Sounds is overrated" is an easy statement to defend, since it's one of the most highly rated albums ever. You could go on all night saying, "But is it really better than..." and probably eventually make someone see it your way.

But "I don't like Pet Sounds" is indefensible.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I call bullshit on that, Kenan.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:20 (twenty-two years ago)

You could go on all night saying, "But is it really better than..." and probably eventually make someone see it your way - haha, debating pet sounds vs. "I get around" with e6 guys = a fool's errand

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

As was NYC Ghosts &Flowers.

Can open, worms everywhere. Just so you know, broheems, I'm with you on this one.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:21 (twenty-two years ago)

But "I don't like Pet Sounds" is indefensible.

This is equivalent to saying "But 'I don't like strawberries' is indefensible."

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

I call bullshit on that, Kenan.

Ok, let's just say that I'd be having none of it.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:22 (twenty-two years ago)

It was a kind of a joke, anyway... of course nothing is truly indefensible. Perverse, maybe.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:23 (twenty-two years ago)

'I don't like strawberries' is indefensible!!!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad I wasn't here when White Light/White Heat was called "boring".

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, that's not the adjective that leaps to mind, is it?

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:25 (twenty-two years ago)

'I don't like strawberries' is indefensible!!!

I'm allergic to strawberries. As a result, I find that I do not like them.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Defend this statement: "I don't like sunshine, and cool clean water just pisses me off."

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, if you're a vampire with poor regard for hygene, it's perfectly reasonable.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

If Pet Sounds included "Help Me Ronda" and "Please Let Me Wonder" and "Let Him Run Wild" and "Girl Don't Tell Me," it really would be the greatest album of all time.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:33 (twenty-two years ago)

But it doesn't so it isn't and it wouldn't necessarily be anyway blah blah everything I've ever said about radical subjectivism ever to thread I like them better after Pet Sounds anyway blah.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 00:59 (twenty-two years ago)

Dear Dave C.:

You are the antichrist.

Luv XOXOXOXOXOXO
Nate

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Christ, this whole thing is stupid. Even the two albums I came out and talked shit about aren't even that bad. This whole thread epitomizes everything I hate about ILM (at least now that Momus has posted).

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:29 (twenty-two years ago)

I really don't like sunshine. It hurts my head.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Goth.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:38 (twenty-two years ago)

that's my answer to this thread title, Kenan--Goth! all of it!

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Sloth.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Even the Wu Tang Clan, Matos?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

no, Alex, not the Wu Tang Clan

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:41 (twenty-two years ago)

vampires /= monks

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

The Penman on Zappa - alot of fun even though i have heard barely a note of Zappa.

http://www.thewire.co.uk/archive/essays/zappa.html

― jed (jed_e_3), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

this is wank. astral weeks is amazing, so is jm blue. yes call me a hippie dullard. *care*

― P.Penn, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

hey, i really like dark side of the moon :(

― Heidi (Heidi), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, we all do. Some of us won't admit it, though.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I will!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:13 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks. i feel so much better

― Heidi (Heidi), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:14 (twenty-two years ago)

i'll tell you who sucks... roger waters with gilmour, mason, and wright........ great lyricist, really bad performer

― Heidi (Heidi), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:17 (twenty-two years ago)

don't you mean without?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 02:56 (twenty-two years ago)

She must, but still, this is where I draw the line. The Wall is barely tolerable as it is, but Waters solo is like... I dunno. I imagine him doomed by some Greek god to sit in a corner and cry about himself, like a 15-year-old, for all eternity. His body will grow old and dessicated, and eventually he will turn into a grasshopper, but still he will only be able to feel self-pity and juvenile, unenlightened weltschmertz. What a terrible curse.

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 03:01 (twenty-two years ago)

miccio hates EATB!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 04:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Bruce Springsteen: Everything. The voice that sounds as if it could possibly be cured by a purgative. The songs that are the American '60s blenderized and extruded. The lyrics that sweep meaning before them like a bulldozer. The band that would be most at home playing incidental music on a late-night chat show. His exemplifying New Jersey, which speaks for itself. He is, of course, commendable politically, uh-huh. So maybe he should run for office and reserve the music for $1000-a-plate fundraisers.

― Secaucus (Methuselah), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 04:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Funny, Secaucus, I feel exactly the same way some days. But then I eat a meal and have a drink, and I think, wait a second! This stuff is great!

― Kenan Hebert (kenan), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 04:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Marriane Faithful's 'Broken English'

― cnwb (cnwb), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 05:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Astonishing. I think it's finally happened, after all these years. The Grateful Dead have been declared overrated pompous wimpy stoned-blind hippie-hugging rootless-roots stuck-in-'60s-shit SO OFTEN that they have actually been erased from the comprehensive hataz canon. Time for a revival.

― Dock Miles (Dock Miles), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 06:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey Secaucus, have you heard Nebraska? What did you think?

Yow dock, I hate on that Dead junk as many chances as I get. Good thing that fat fuck won't be making any more of it. See here- "can fat people rock" Can FAT people rock?

― sucka (sucka), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 08:10 (twenty-two years ago)

is there still actually a non-boring way to hate the grateful dead?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, for their appalling dress sense in the eighties.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 16:57 (twenty-two years ago)

okay you bastards
Exile isn't 'blah' at all
just overrated

and no I haven't
given it the 'I'm drunk' test
and I won't until

y'all eat pixie stix
(15 or so) and put on
Pizzicato Five

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

or for those stupid puppets they used in the "touch of grey" video

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i think i'm the opposite of a deadhead. i ONLY like their studio albums. can't stand a lot of the live stuff. the good studio albums, that is. and they had some really good ones. i like the acid test live stuff tho. and some of the pigpen era live stuff. and i like dead set and the other one that came out from those dead set shows. and maybe europe 72. but not steal yer face. waitaminute, i think i am a dead head. oh wait, no i'm not, i haven't actually listened to them in ten years or more. i like all the songs on the what a long strange trip it's been comp. that's a great comp. but god, that soft bulletin album, that album fucking sucks!(just wanna see if you are all awake)

― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody likes Steal Your Face. It's pretty universally reviled. Anyway, their live sets involved improvisation. Sometimes it clicks, sometimes it doesn't.

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Steal Your Face has got a nice cover.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh yes, the cover is very much classic - no disputing that..

― Broheems (diamond), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Live/Dead and Two From the Vault are fucking amazing.

― M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 20:39 (twenty-two years ago)

wait a sec, did I just read this entire thread and not see Interpol mentioned once? shame on all of you.

― Felcher (Felcher), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

If Pet Sounds included "Help Me Ronda" and "Please Let Me Wonder" and "Let Him Run Wild" and "Girl Don't Tell Me," it really would be the greatest album of all time.

It already is, according to Acclaimed Music :-)

Personally, I'd rather it included "Til I Die", "Surf's Up", "Tears In The Morning" and "It Came To My Window". And possibly "Breakaway" too.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

''but god, that soft bulletin album, that album fucking sucks!(just wanna see if you are all awake)''

I think I was the only one by that point. NO IT DOES NOT FUCKING SUCK!!! :-)

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 11 November 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha Ha! thanks for reading, Julio!

― scott seward, Tuesday, 11 November 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

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