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Peeved that Tom singled out alexinnyc as having consistently worst taste on ILM.

my qualifications: an earnest appreciation for John Cougar, Status Quo, Springsteen, Slade, Sweet & The Clash, revile anything "new" or "interesting", over"use" of "quotation marks", almost complete adherence to the critical canon of VU, Stooges, Beatles & Stones, have opinions about things I've never heard, always trying to steer the conversation back to Iggy, given to panic attacks and rudeness when accused of being rockist.

Surely your taste is worse?

― fritz, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yes. For some reason I never buy anything that I find very interesting, so I have rack upon rack of run-of-the-mill American- loved indie records. If I picked any three records from the collection at random -- say, TNT, Emperor Tomato Ketchup, and Perfect Teeth, you could easily extrapolate most everything else from there, with the exception of Britpop embarrassments, indiepop embarrassments, and the seedling bossa nova collection that I'm carefully nurturing as a point of individuality.

I like to imagine that I have very good taste but am just a lousy buyer.

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh, my taste is apalling anyway. I decide to like things before I hear them, I like things on a whim, and I change my mind the whole time. I wince every time somebody trusts a judgement of mine. As I disapprove of the idea of taste anyway, it doesn't bother me much.

― Tom, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Remember that Tom singled Alex out when Alex called Brittney Spears crap, an opinion that I heartily agree with.

― Sean, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

YeS, YeS, \/\/3LL ! L!K3PR0G R0CK, S0 ! )\/\/|\|Z 4LL Y00 LaYMoRZ....

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― NoRMaN FaY, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm chuckling at your description of your tastes, Fritz, because my first impulse is to run screaming. :)

My tastes: I tend to be vaguely uncritical in my listening choices, meaning that there are many things in many genres that I enjoy. Genres I've honed in on in recent years would include techno, drum 'n bass, hip-hop, baroque cantatas/masses and contemporary choral music. My current roster of favorite artists would be The Cure, Prince, The Smiths, Orbital, Skinny Puppy, Bjork, Meat Beat Manifesto, Massive Attack, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult, Radiohead, Christine Goerke, Thomas Quasthoff, Ian Bostridge, Joshua Bell, Jill Scott, and Depeche Mode. My current favorite conductors are James Levine, Bernard Haitink, Seiji Ozawa, and Raphael Fruehbeck de Burgeous.

Better or worse, I can't say. One could level a claim to pretension except for that I've excised liking stuff ironically from my life after all that nonsense with the Spice Girls (and I don't care what anyone says, "Wannabe" is NOT a good song).

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I know all the words to Hair & Jesus Christ Superstar and I miss the Lemonheads! and Urge Overkill!

― fritz, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

dan: Let's not be room-mates. All we could agree on would be to not listen to the spice girls. - fritz

― fritz, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I nominate everyone else on this board because ALL Y'ALL FAIL TO APPRECIATE AND WORSHIP THE GREATNESS OF FRANK ZAPPA!!! Haw haw haw!

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I like the Manics, which apparently automatically qualifies me as worst taste ever for certain board members ;)

― Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I have more in common with Fritz than with Dan.

― Sean, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

actually, Dan and I have more in common than I first thought. We both like Prince, The Cure, and the work of Raphael Fruehbeck de Burgeous.

Which leads me to believe that Dan might share my love for ZZTop.

― fritz, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You know, Dan, that intial list makes you sound like one miserable, miserable bastard. You need to throw the Heavenly or XTC in there so people don't worry about you.

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"The" Heavenly? I don't know what's wrong with me today.

Should read: "some."

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(note on zztop - we just like the old stuff, before they went "new wave", right, Dan?)

― fritz, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Most of my favorites were formed during my "miserable bastard' high school days. People who know me now tend to be surprised at how dark portions of my CD collection is, at least until they start paying attention to my jokes.

XTC wouldn't make my list, but the old ZZTop singles definitely would, as would AC/DC, Led Zepplin, old Aerosmith and Rush, Love and Rockets, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Sade, Men Without Hats, Adam and the Ants, the B-52's, and THE JETS.

God, now I feel like I'm pulling band names out of a hat. Anybody remember "Right On Track" by The Breakfast Club? Or "Let's Go All The Way" by Sly Fox? "Tarzan Boy" by Baltimora?

― Dan Perry, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Two things, Dan:

(a) Men Without Hats' Rhythm of Youth is one of my secret desert-island top-ten records that I usually don't include or talk about because it wouldn't be worth going into.

(b) While having a really, really serious/unpleasant conversation with my mother in a cafe over the weekend, "Tarzan Boy" started playing. I don't know how I managed to maintain any semblance of attention or seriousness during that three minutes, because my brain was fixating on the absurd fact that this painful conversation was being scored by fucking "Tarzan Boy".

― Nitsuh, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, me me me! I have U2 and REM CDs in my cabinet which I don't even attempt to disguise as Plunderphonic-style experiments in recontextualization.

― X. Y. Zedd, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey, at least no-ones mentioned a love for The Cardiacs or even a mild interest for that matter. That's got to be a positive sign....

― philT, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Cardiacs = r0x0r.

Sorry Phil ;)

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― |\|0|2/|\4|\| |=4'/, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Funny, I just got the Tarzan Boy album at a thrift shop this weekend, It's really good! Not just the single. R.I.P. Baltimora. I also have Jordy's Dur Dur Etre Bebe AND the followup CD. I wanna go to the Jordy Rave! He must be about 13 now, old fart. Once I ran out and bought a Jovanotti album when he made a guest DJ appearance on MTV and totally charmed me--"Hi! I'm from Italy and I'm really cute and really annoying!" Anyway, I loved it.

I like the rockist crowd at ILM, they're refreshing. Maybe I am one, I don't know. Other than my disco, singer/songwriter and Euro-everything leanings, my taste is pretty similar to Fritz.

― Arthur, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Jeez louise, I didn't know I was the pseudo-subject of a thread until now. Well, if not liking Britney Spears makes me "WRONG," then I don't wanna be "RIGHT". How can anyone who appreciates disposable teen pop like Britney, shit r'n'b like Destiny's Child and overhyped, vaccuous shinola like Michael Jackson actually claim to have any taste at all? It boggles the mind.

― alex in nyc, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I wear the tag "rockist" like a shiny badge, by the way.

― alex in nyc, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You don't say. ;)

xoxo

― |\|0|2/|\4|\| |=4'/, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But Alex, you see, Michael Jackson in particular is the sound of me and everyone around me in 1983 when I was twelve. Pure middle-school soundtrack thrills. :-)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

see, Dan & I could easily stock a mutually enjoyable jukebox together. and if you're talking Men w/o Hats, don't forget "pop goes the world".

― fritz, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

My tastes: Well, someone else is going to have to come up with the label for this, but, the bands/musicians I like are Radiohead (undeniably my favorite band), Bjork, Lali Puna, Alice Coltrane, Autechre, Phonem, Massive Attack, Portishead, Phonem, Isan, Low, Kristin Hersh, Throwing Muses, The Pixies, The Fall, Sonic Youth, The Smiths, Talking Heads, Olivier Messiaen, Krzyzstof Penderecki, Neutral Milk Hotel, Ennio Morricone, Aphex Twin, Broadcast, Faust, Can, Alfred Schnittke, Neu!, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Charlie Mingus, Serge Gainsbourg, Magazine, Scott Walker, Morton Subotnick, Charles Ives, Madredeus, The Boredoms, Oval, Clinic, Thirteenth Floor Elevators, and on and on and on until I give you a headache.

I can't come up with a common thread, but then I'm probably just too close to it all to see it.

― Melissa W, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You are all but children, playing at the edges of the abyss.

To be found in my collection (the following are still in the 'occasional play' bracket, thus weeding out the REAL embarrasments): Journey, 'Escape', 'Next', & 'Infinity'; Cutting Crew, 'Broadcast'; Foreigner, 'Head Games'; Styx, 'Pieces of Eight'; Motley Crue, 'Shout at the Devil'; Runaways, 'Queens of Noise'

― dave q, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Interesting division so far:
1. Everyone outing selves as poor of taste cites their "rock" collection; NO ONE cites eg their love of boybands
2. however alex in nyc, for whom the thread etc, points to love of R&B/Dance as indicative of lousy taste (he glosses "bad" R&B/Dance but doesn't say what the good stuff is)

PROVISIONAL TRANSLATION: rock = self- loathing; pop = not

― mark s, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The unifying factor in Melissa's tastes: quality. ILM would add some shiny, shiny pop and hip-hop, but it's all good.

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

What you don't like is as important in determining taste as what you do.

Mark - there's more of a canon in rock, so there's more general acceptance as to what rock is 'bad', so there's more assumption that admitting to certain things shows bad taste. Whereas if you don't like pop you think it's all bad, and if you do you are likely to care less about the question.

― Tom, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh and Melissa? Your tastes show you to be a serious, discerning and adventurous lover of music...just not one I'd call on to rock a party. ;)

― Tom, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'd love to go to a party which had the Boredoms, Penderecki and Serge Gainsbourg on the hi-fi if only to see what kind of 'nibbles' would be served.

― Billy Dods, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

These are my favourite musical groups, in random order: the beach boys, dinosaur jr, bon jovi, low, the carpenters, abba, poison, kraftwerk, barbara morgenstern, komiet, cub, mamas and the papas, europe, neutral milk hotel, elfpower, masters of the hemisphere, eric's trip, eels, teenage fanclub, olivia tremor control, man or astro-man?, lotion, the philistines jr, lali puna, plone, megadeth, alice cooper, smashing pumpkins, archers of loaf, velocity girl, devo, a perfect circle, guns 'n' roses, of montreal, sigur ros, my favorite, beulah, neil young, weezer, velocity girl, the delgados, holiday flyer, pavement, sportsguitar...I think that covers a broad cross-section of my taste. I don't think I have terrible taste...though I do plan to broaden my horizons a little.

― jel, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

or a lot.

― jel, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Excellent, Jel -- now I know who to call on when I need indie-pop support. I knew someone else here must cover some of that territory ...

― Nitsuh, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've listened to the first Limp Bizkit album a lot, and I'm only really capable of carrying on a conversation about Talking Heads.

I don't really think there's a better song than "Do You Believe in Magic," honestly.

― Keiko, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Let me also throw my hat into the ring regarding blatant and shameful worship of the catalogs of Flying Nun, Simple Machines, Merge Records, Touch & Go, and Matador Records (circa the mid-late 90s). But, fuck, that's a GOOD thing. (Yes, I paid full price for the Franklin Bruno solo record, and I still feel like it was a bargain.)

And if anyone takes umbrage at my ownership of the Nina Gordon solo record in conjunction with _Eight Arms to Hold You_ AND the _Blow it Out Your Ass_ EP, we can step outside and "discuss".

― David Raposa, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The unifying factor in Melissa's tastes seems to me to be a Radiohead connection - most of,if not all of those bands/artists/whatever,have been name-dropped by Radiohead at some point.And that's not an insult coming from me,because Radiohead are my favourite band too and that list includes some of my favourites and bands that Radiohead have inspired me to check out.

― Damian, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm listening to "Whole Again" by Atomic Kitten right now but I'm not sure that's much of a crime around these parts.

More to the point: I'm recovering from steadfast belief in the purity of indie; often make knee-jerk reactions, sometimes coupled with hyperbole; am almost certain to put Badfinger or ELO on a jukebox should the opportunity arise; love R*dioh*ad, Bl*r, Hefner, and B&S; feel guilty about what I'd like to think is eceleticism actually being tokenism; have an inability to embrace most earnest music, but when I do I take almost too much to heart; insist on making those around me listen to classic rock while cleaning the house or moving and then secretly hope "The Boys Are Back in Town" comes on the radio; attach too much weight to lyrics in rock/pop and rhythym in hip- hop at the expense of the other; at times, am far too cycnical.

― scott p., Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

All? Most of? A few, maybe. And some are coincidences (it almost pisses me off when Thom or whoever will recommend a band I already like, because then nobody believes me when I say I'm a longtime fan. But, I guess I'm glad some of that music is getting publicity.).

― Melissa W, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Uh-oh double posting, but I almost forgot, as well, to out myself as an Anglophile.

― scott p., Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

David, your ownership of Eight Arms To Hold You automatically makes you the possessor of the BEST taste on this entire forum.

― Edwardo, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I own the CD of 'War of the Worlds'

― dave q, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would say that I have the worst taste, but that would only be to elicit flattery, and it wouldn't work. Of course, I am The Arbiter Of Taste, and am never ever wrong about anything.

― emil.y, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Seeing as how I have just been going through about 20 years worth of accrued records in storage at my mum's house, I am suddenly horrified at my own taste. Not just isolated records, but *complete* collections of Hanoi Rocks, Christian Death, The Church (including very very dodgy solo records) and... oh god, it's too shameful I can't actually admit to it... oh god, *BAUHAUS* ... I have no right to point any fingers at anyone any more.

― exile on krumkill rd, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i love jason mccoy. i admit this to win this contist

― anthony, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i own - and enjoy, and still often play - every Legend! record ever made. i also own every other record mentioned on this thread. except for radiohead obviously.

― Jerry, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i like mowax and beck and the roots and the apples in stereo and moby and 'fold your hands child...' and that run-dmc album from 1993. i don't even know anything about rock history except until recently, the who. i'm horribly defensive and shouty about my tastes and the only reason i'm not constantly berating people is because they're a few months from realizing all the early 90s hiphop i listen to would be as painful listening to them as early 90s rock is to me and that i really have no critical stance on what i like other than familiarity, which basically makes me the guy you know who still listens to blind melon all the time.

― ethan, Sunday, 9 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Somebody mentioned indie-pop and Flying Nun and Matador and all of that, hey I have enough of that as well. It was just never the center of my universe. ;-) Life without the likes of Roy Montgomery and the Bats' "North by North" and the Verlaines and all would be pretty damn sad, certainly...

I of course admit to no bad taste because I don't accept the principle of guilty pleasures or the like. But I know what annoys. I have about 20 homemade double disc collections of Smashing Pumpkins rarities, outtakes, demos, live shows, this that and the other material. This fact alone seems to cause many people to want to kill themselves to avoid me or to just make it simple and kill me. So I just wave all the CD tree volumes I have by the utterly godlike Walkabouts in their faces and escape while they're distracted.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Look, it's me. I still like Paul Weller. And Traffic.

But, don't forget, I'm on crack

― Dr. C, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why would you ever stop liking Traffic, Dr. C? You have excellent taste, by the way.

― Arthur, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i like marilyn manson...just cause i dunno why. i really like mechanical animals. i like nin's the fragile, i mean i keep it and listen to it as background once in a while. i dont know theres lots of crap i like, usually for nostalgic reasons that i cant shake...tears for fears, frankie goes to hollywood, berlin. i like the new orgy album

― matt, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...

Yet another thread cut down in its prime. Let's breathe some new life in this thread. I nominate ... MYSELF! Yeah! ZAPPA! ZAPPA!! ZAPPA!!! Broken Hearts Are for Assholes! 200 Motels ("Opel, you hot little bitch!")

C'mon, Mark and Omar! Tell all the other ILMers how bad my taste in music is! You two are the Zappa Police, remember? :-)

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Tuesday, 30 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No Tadeusz,it's not you - you nominated Kinks Kronikles in t'other thread - therefore you have great taste.

― Dr. C, Tuesday, 30 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Sorry can't help you there Tadeusz, you taste is quite decent notwithstanding F.Zappa of course. :) Hell, we all have our 'black beasts', take Dr.C for instance, he likes P.Weller :)And I think PRML SCRM R TH SHT.

― Omar, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Even my support for Weller is waning after Heliocentric. Got the new ELO album yet, Omar ;)?

― Dr. C, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, I got the 'Sound of Speed' instead. ;) Nothing in this world like Weller doing an acoustic set, man, the realness is out of this world.

Oh dear typing in the morning: *your* taste of course Zappa jr.

― Omar, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Oh yeah, Man. I'm growing my sideburns extra-long to celebrate the return of proper music. Just going to pop out for a Capuccino with Paolo.... (Revs up Lambretta....) Ciao.

― Dr.C, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Melanie C! Vitamin C! Do I win?

― Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two years pass...

revive

― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 06:05 (twenty-one years ago)

fite amongst yourselves, my ILMings

― Sym (shmuel), Thursday, 17 June 2004 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i bet i like melanie c more than sterling does!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 17 June 2004 06:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Yet another thread cut down in its prime.

I think I know why. Look at the dates.

Does anyone else get a chill when you see this kind of stuff?

― Lo Boob Almanac (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 17 June 2004 06:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still impressed that Everett True owns every Messiaen and Subotnick release.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 17 June 2004 07:12 (twenty-one years ago)

x-post
yeah, I think I have a camcorder video from 9/10/01. It is creepy to think about it...

― AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 17 June 2004 07:16 (twenty-one years ago)

the only reason i'm not constantly berating people is because they're a few months from realizing all the early 90s hiphop i listen to...

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 June 2004 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex in NYC

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Uh-oh.

I suspect that may be considered tantamount to fire-dishonouring of the worst and most reprehensible kind imaginable.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Killing Joke just isn't THAT good!!!! He doesn't like Khanate or Boredoms.

― 0r4l R0b3rt5 (ex machina), Thursday, 17 June 2004 11:34 (twenty-one years ago)

radiohead and smashing pumpkins are my favorite bands. "it takes a nation..." is my favorite hip-hop album, followed closely by "speakerboxxx/the love below". i unquestionably LOVE anything released by atari teenage riot, coil, propagandhi, consolidated, depeche mode, the pixies, vnv nation, squarepusher, and aphex twin. i adore donna summer, tatu, zappa, ace of base, EMF, wangchung, sleeper, belly, belle and sebastian, skinny puppy, tori amos, nine inch nails, early genesis and beyonce. I hate the rolling stones, most country music, reggae, the clash, neil young, most r&b. i dont really like much jazz or classical either (oh, and i insist on referring to all symphonic music as classical music, even though im well aware that the classical period was only a segment of the history of symphonic music). beat that.

― Felonious Drunk (Felcher), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Some of my favorite bands include the Deadly Snakes, Compulsive Gamblers, Belle and Sebastian, Aislers Set, Saint Etienne, the Handsome Family, Neutral Milk Hotel. I like all kinds of rap, but mostly avoid the Dilated Peoples/Jurassic 5 stuff (I can thank EP for turning me on to great shite). There's no music I don't like, really, aside from most late-'60s psychedelia or Blood Sweat and Tears kind of crap.

anything good up there might be trumped by the fact that my favorite band was, is, and will remain U2.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:24 (twenty-one years ago)

i have the worst taste on ILM. i like the beatles.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:27 (twenty-one years ago)

hands down the worst taste: phil freeman

― jwgacy, Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Let me put it to you this way: I draw a blank when I am asked to name my reasons why Dave Matthews Band are so bad and hated.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm still impressed that Everett True owns every Messiaen and Subotnick release.

I was impressed too until I read the thread and realized you were just referencing my post!

But at least I am saved from having a crush on Everett True, because, really, what could be worse than that?

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus Christ, Felonius Drunk, your tastes are a train wreck at the orphanage.

― David Allen (David Allen), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Phil Freeman has great taste!!

― Sonny A. (Keiko), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, he's the Miles Davis guy isn't he? Way to go Phil!!!!!!!!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

phil freeman = lead ears

― rramirez, Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

he does like good music, a lot of it, but sometimes I wonder about that Chuck Eddy and the "pro-Eagles/Toby Keith, anti-Neko Case" thing!

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll put a boot in your ass!

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

: o

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

There's just something weirdly compelling about Toby Keith.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

He's like DMX but uninteresting.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

There's an advertising slogan if ever I heared one

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd just like to say when I did an image search for Toby Keith, this came up:

http://www.carlp.com/images4/dukeboot.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe your roomate could date him.

― El Diablo Robotico (Nicole), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

It looks like he's having a tough time extracting it there.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I actually believe in accusing people of having "bad" taste, but since I seem to take it so personally that Chuck dislikes Neko Case, I must now note than in addition to the above, Mr. Eddy is a large Kid Rock fan and is quite open about this.

― Neb Reyob (Ben Boyer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

they played that "lit up your world like the fourth of July" song at Shea last night.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck Eddy is pretty much the anti-me. If we have anything in common musically, I don't know about it.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

and yet Chuck Eddy gives respect to Mr Airplane Man and Gore Gore Girls so I can't say he's hopeless!

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I love Zappa, so I'm down w/ Tadeuz(sp?). But I also like Radiohead. I don't understand the furor where they're concerned. Some all-time faves include: Velvets, Stooges, Albert Ayler, Acid Mothers Temple, 13th Floor Elevators, Dream Syndicate, KinksBeatlesStonesWhoYardbirds, High Rise, Jimi Hendrix, Miles Davis, FLaming Lips, Patti Smith, Hasil ADkins, Woody Guthrie, Television, Television Personalities, Black Sabbath, Peter Brotzmann, Bevis Frond, Husker Du, Minutemen, Meat Puppets, Rain Parade, Robert Johnson, Clarley Patton, Uncle Tupelo, Capt. Beefheart, Can, Faust, Les Rallizes Denudes, Os Mutantes, Charalambides, 6 Organs of Admittance, Tower Recordings, Pelt, Hawkwind, Pink Fairies, Pink Floyd, Queen, Bruce Springsteen, Ramones, Clash, Pistols, X, Led Zep, Spacemen 3, Red Crayola, Sun Ra, William Parker, Evan Parker. There's more, because I like liking things. Basically, I'm into psychedelic, free jazz, free improv, free folk, drone, avant-classical, and experimental for the most part...

― John Bullabaugh (John Bullabaugh), Thursday, 17 June 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

surely bad taste is judged on whether someone has the temerity to criticize one of my favorite artists.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Chuck Eddy has both the worst taste and the best taste on ILM.

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I still pretty much think Aphex Twin is God. I have a Warp Records t-shirt and think that Gescom's remix of Non-Existant was a step forward for Western culture.

― Lukas (lukas), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

actually we shouldn't forget frankeeee's assertion that Darius Rucker has a great voice.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Nickalicious have the worst taste ever?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 18:47 (twenty-one years ago)

one of my favorite songs of all time is off of the Muriel's Wedding soundtrack (i used to mix it with brian eno's "becalmed").

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Killing Joke just isn't THAT good!!!! He doesn't like Khanate or Boredoms.

Re: Killing Joke, that's simply a matter of opinion. It should be noted, however, that while I am a huge fan of Killing Joke, I do indeed like a whole helluva lot of other bands. I don't hate Khanate or the Boredoms (who were damn entertaining live), but they just don't float my boat, so to speak.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I like Embrace more than Dizzy Rascal.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

That's Ian MacKaye is one bad mutha!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

*cough* I said that's CAUSE Ian MacKaye is one bad mutha!

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't mean that Embrace.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

ew.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew that would happen, that's why I whispered.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:06 (twenty-one years ago)

i thought of nickalicious briefly today when we had to listen to the 311 best of at work

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

i would think only of the noose

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought of strongo briefly today when Grime arrived.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

i have a lot of black gouges in my forearms from where i would stab myself with my pen whever the dude started his "rapping"

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG I DON'T LIKE THREE ELEVEN

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:25 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry dude, i didnt meant to taint you by association

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This thread is so mean-spirited.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I just saw 311 had a best-of out and I remember when KLA got their self-released album thing back in 1991 or whatever and thinking "Well these lamers will never be heard from again." DAMMIT WHY CAN'T MY DREAMS COME TRUE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

In a long car ride last weekend with my sister, when she put in the 50 First Dates sndtrk, and it got to their 'cover' of "Lovesong", it was all I could do to roll the windows down (we're doing 85 mph on the interstate) and sing "Bohemian Rhapsody" at full volume.

x-post it's all good yo! i would associate them with me too

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

alex if its any consolation i thought of you briefly today while reading about venom

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, man.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG 311 HAS A BEST OF!?!? IS IT LIKE ONE LONG TRACK OF THEIR DRUMMER DUDE TALKING ABOUT WHEN THE ROOTS OPENED FOR THEM?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHA

Nickalicious I kiss thee

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

My musical taste consistently grows both better AND worse. The last CDs I bought were by Roots Manuva and Gong.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

it is seriously the worst record i have ever heard...they have soooooo much to answer for

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Come Original"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Down"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

i should note that we followed it up with the new phish and the new beasties...i need to drink more

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

"Transistor"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg300/g345/g34520h03d1.jpg

Such a thrilling cover too.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I swear that "Love Song" is the best thing they've ever done. I can't believe how fucking sad that is.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

And I try not to bag on my fellow AMG writers and all but sheesh:

From the chunkheaded rap-rock beta tests "Down" and "All Mixed Up" through the blue-eyed make-out reggae of "Amber" and on to latter-day stuff like the underrated Soundsystem single "Come Original," 311 spanned the nascence and ultimate codification of the alternative nation. "F*ck the naysayers 'cause they don't mean a thing!" — if you went to college in the 1990s, 311 was on your radar.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:32 (twenty-one years ago)

haha 311 also have the DORKIEST (in the "no hope" not "nerd chic" sense) fans ever

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

if you went to college in the 1990s, 311 was on your radar.

more like in my target sights.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think any future accomplishment in rockcrit will ever top the time Mark McGrath dissed me from the stage for my two out of 10 review of Transistor in the local paper that came out the day Sugar Ray was opening for 311 in town.

I was 17 and it was on the "teen" page.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.stp.uh.edu/vol65/71/shobiz/311.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I believe the guy 2nd from right still refers to himself as "P-Nut."

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:36 (twenty-one years ago)

THE 90S SUCKED SO FUCKING BAD

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I knew they were hard when the bass player started dating Nicole from Eden's Crush.

― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:37 (twenty-one years ago)

OMG THEIR SINGER IS MAX FUCKING HEADROOM

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

the "nineties".

it's 2004 and they're having one of their biggest hits yet.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

is 311 the Carrot Top of rock?

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

anthony you act like we haven't been trapped in a perpetual 1997 for seven years now

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

that would explain P. Diddy.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:40 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark McGrath dissed me from the stage

that is AWESOME

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

the irony is that in a few years I'd be praising their self-titled album as being one of the finest of 2001. I guess it's like Xgau with Sonic "let that shit die" Youth or something.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:42 (twenty-one years ago)

if this means we have 15 more years of sugar ray to look forward to i will smite you myself

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just glad Mark didn't see my 3 out of 10 review of Floored that ran a few months earlier. I might have gotten an angry phone call.

"Anthony?"
"Yeah, mom?"
"Mark McGrath wants to know why you're so mean to him."

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Sugar Nurse will be a real comeback, trust me.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:46 (twenty-one years ago)

In 1996, I was set to drive from Minneapolis to San Francisco with my friend Jeremy. His girlfriend soon joined the plans, and as we began, it became obvious it wasn't going to work--they were breaking up and having this silent battle of wills with each other (they brought out each other's worst, most passive-aggressive tendencies), plus she and I didn't get along particularly, and I wound up hopping a Greyhound to Seattle from Bozeman, Montana.

Anyway, our first major stop was in South Dakota, where Jeremy's uncle's family lived, and with whom we stayed for several days. (The uncle worked for Nabisco, which meant we ate tons of Strawberry Newtons while driving.) The uncle and aunt had two kids, 13 and 15. I was 21, and not a critic yet though I wrote a bit for a 'zine. But I was full of my own opinions, to a degree that I look back on with some alarm. Anyway, the kids were real sweethearts, and their dad had lots of musical equipment in his basement, and a few times we went down and played around. It was fun.

What I most vividly remember from that part of the trip was this: those kids were telling me about the music they liked--in particular, one band that blew their collective minds. They'd never heard anything so eclectic, so encompassing of so many styles, so radical. The band? 311.

I wanted to laugh at them, but I think for the first time in my life when it came to someone else's tastes, I couldn't, because I immediately realized: That's all they've fucking GOT here. (Especially since the internet hadn't spread quite the way it would back then, though the family had it--I wrote a piece for the 'zine on their computer.) So while 311 are indeed completely horrible and hapless, I've always had a soft spot for the fact that they represented the world to those kids, and that they were a building block for them. I hope.

― Matos W.K. (M Matos), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Such a thrilling cover too.

it has a chicago ix look to it...

i understand where you're coming from matos. whatever i think of 311, when i was in high school, the few kids i knew who liked 311 tended to be pretty musically adventurous, or at least open-minded, by suburban high school standards.

― amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 17 June 2004 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)